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Two Americas Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Feb-20-09 03:19 PM
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48. you must be kidding
No one claims, or would claim, that "just because a symbol as general as an animal has been used for bigotry" therefore means that "any and all usage of that symbol is de facto evidence of bigoted intent."

No one makes any such claim.
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  -Seriously to I have to post the defintion of racist terms for you to understand? LynneSin  Feb-20-09 01:09 PM   #0 
  - No, everybody understands.  HiFructosePronSyrup   Feb-20-09 01:10 PM   #1 
  - But these aren't low-post count people replying  LynneSin   Feb-20-09 01:12 PM   #2 
     - No, they're high post count trolls.  HiFructosePronSyrup   Feb-20-09 01:14 PM   #3 
     - Honest to God, I didn't.  damonm   Feb-20-09 01:14 PM   #4 
     - Many so called progressives aren't that aware on this issue  AndrewP   Feb-20-09 01:18 PM   #7 
        - Sometimes it's just best to be empathetic to those who are offended  LynneSin   Feb-20-09 01:38 PM   #23 
        - You'd think. What is it with people who are arguing this stuff?  EFerrari   Feb-20-09 02:57 PM   #40 
           - I think for me the big wake-up call was realizing I was doing the same with the Rick Warren issue  LynneSin   Feb-20-09 03:12 PM   # 
              - Exactly.  EFerrari   Feb-20-09 03:46 PM   #55 
        - I Dunno  RobinA   Feb-20-09 03:18 PM   #45 
  - Sadly, this just makes me think of Clerks 2  HarukaTheTrophyWife   Feb-20-09 01:15 PM   #5 
  - I heard of it before Clerk II  LynneSin   Feb-20-09 01:20 PM   #10 
  - Yeah, I heard it before Clerks 2, but for some reason it makes me think of the movie  HarukaTheTrophyWife   Feb-20-09 01:25 PM   #15 
  - You kinda miscategorized Randall...  Milo_Bloom   Feb-20-09 01:45 PM   #27 
     - Actually he is but then againt aren't most racists idiots?  LynneSin   Feb-20-09 03:15 PM   #44 
        - All racists are idiots, but all idiots aren't racists  Milo_Bloom   Feb-20-09 03:18 PM   #47 
           - all racists aren't idiots  noiretextatique   Feb-20-09 04:18 PM   #62 
              - How can it not?  Milo_Bloom   Feb-20-09 04:38 PM   #64 
              - because that attitude was the norm for quite a long time  noiretextatique   Feb-20-09 05:26 PM   #67 
                 - Who said anything about a "few" idiots?  Milo_Bloom   Feb-20-09 11:57 PM   #70 
              - Agreed. A true racist has power in order to act out his racism.  vaberella   Feb-21-09 05:28 PM   #76 
  - Great scene  Milo_Bloom   Feb-20-09 01:40 PM   #25 
     - OMG. LOL! I've always meant to watch this movie, but  Kaylee   Feb-20-09 03:39 PM   #52 
  - One specific problem with this week's controversy is that Bush was called a chimp for 8 years.  billyoc   Feb-20-09 01:18 PM   #6 
  - That is not a specific problem.  HiFructosePronSyrup   Feb-20-09 01:19 PM   #8 
  - agreed, it didn't change nor is even relevant to this  CreekDog   Feb-20-09 01:22 PM   #11 
  - It's standard racist apologia.  HiFructosePronSyrup   Feb-20-09 01:24 PM   #13 
     - shame to see it here  CreekDog   Feb-20-09 01:25 PM   #14 
  - Yes it is and yes it does. Eight years of chimp cartoons depicting Bush  billyoc   Feb-20-09 01:28 PM   #18 
     - Is Bush Black?  LynneSin   Feb-20-09 01:33 PM   #21 
     - No, it doesn't. n/t  EFerrari   Feb-20-09 02:18 PM   #32 
  - Is Bush black?  LynneSin   Feb-20-09 01:22 PM   #12 
  - I agree, I just think it's nonsense to complain about calling the President  billyoc   Feb-20-09 01:31 PM   #19 
     - The whole cartoon just mimic'd the racist propaganda that have existed for decades  LynneSin   Feb-20-09 01:37 PM   #22 
     - It NOT about calling the President a chimp...  Zodiak   Feb-20-09 02:50 PM   #39 
  - Bush is a white man who looks like a chimp  HarukaTheTrophyWife   Feb-20-09 01:26 PM   #16 
  - I konw, he really does look like a chimp!  billyoc   Feb-20-09 01:40 PM   #24 
     - LOL  EFerrari   Feb-20-09 02:26 PM   #34 
  - 8 years doesn't counter 300 years of racist dehumanizing of blacks  Numba6   Feb-20-09 05:16 PM   #66 
  - HEY! We're taking it back!  Gman   Feb-20-09 01:20 PM   #9 
  - Monkeys have been used as racist iconography. But not all use of monkeys in culture is racist  jpgray   Feb-20-09 01:27 PM   #17 
  - Ironcially Racists also believe that what they say is not offensive  LynneSin   Feb-20-09 01:32 PM   #20 
  - I'll continue to apply your own rules in order to show you why I disagree  jpgray   Feb-20-09 02:02 PM   #29 
  - Racism is always about context. And that's how racists slip out of their bs,  EFerrari   Feb-20-09 02:08 PM   #30 
  - There is no clear evidence of WMD, but that just shows how devious Saddam is in hiding them  jpgray   Feb-20-09 02:17 PM   #31 
     - No -- you're confusing racism with other things.  EFerrari   Feb-20-09 02:22 PM   #33 
        - No, it's still absurd. Take the word "niggardly," for example  jpgray   Feb-20-09 02:27 PM   #35 
           - No, it's not impossible. The context is entirely different.  EFerrari   Feb-20-09 02:33 PM   #36 
              - You posit cases of clear attribution, when not even the attribution is clear in this case  jpgray   Feb-20-09 02:40 PM   #37 
                 - I posit cases of clear attribution to show you the mechanism  EFerrari   Feb-20-09 02:48 PM   #38 
                    - The guy with the monkey doll is another case of clear attribution, though  jpgray   Feb-20-09 03:04 PM   #41 
                       - I think I understand your question.  EFerrari   Feb-20-09 03:24 PM   #49 
                          - Well said, eferrari.  Nicholas D Wolfwood   Feb-20-09 03:56 PM   #57 
                             - I think when people say "I think this is racist", they're telling you their conclusion  EFerrari   Feb-20-09 04:04 PM   #60 
                                - Perhaps you missed one of Lynne's other threads  Nicholas D Wolfwood   Feb-20-09 04:10 PM   #61 
                                   - No, I didn't miss that. And I disagree with this concerted critique  EFerrari   Feb-20-09 04:26 PM   #63 
                                      - "Feeds right back into the dynamics of racism"  Nicholas D Wolfwood   Feb-21-09 06:29 AM   #71 
                                         - But this discussion wasn't about "the finer details" but about her method.  EFerrari   Feb-21-09 03:35 PM   #72 
                                            - So you're saying I should have set up an entirely different discussion  Nicholas D Wolfwood   Feb-21-09 04:09 PM   #73 
  - you must be kidding  Two Americas   Feb-20-09 03:19 PM   #48 
  - don't apologize  noiretextatique   Feb-20-09 01:44 PM   #26 
  - we get it, the question is, what's the best reaction when the object of the slur is powerful?  yurbud   Feb-20-09 01:48 PM   #28 
  - it's all about malevolent intent, apparently  noiretextatique   Feb-20-09 03:10 PM   #42 
  - It does come down to intent, though--if it's not intended to represent Obama, how is it racist?  jpgray   Feb-20-09 03:12 PM   #43 
     - that only makes since if the cartoonist grew up on Mars  noiretextatique   Feb-20-09 03:18 PM   #46 
     - If It Wasn't Intended  RobinA   Feb-20-09 03:25 PM   #50 
     - No. Intention is only a fraction of the meaning of any representation.  EFerrari   Feb-20-09 03:26 PM   #51 
        - But it's crucial in determining whether an act is malevolent, or merely ignorant and irrepsonsible  jpgray   Feb-20-09 03:40 PM   #53 
           - Intention is not the overriding factor in determining if an artifact is racist.  EFerrari   Feb-20-09 03:45 PM   #54 
           - What difference does it make if the act was malevolent or "merely" ignorant and irresponsible  Raineyb   Feb-20-09 07:40 PM   #69 
  - Still finding yourself in a logical corner, Lynne?  Nicholas D Wolfwood   Feb-20-09 03:50 PM   #56 
  - It is so sad that on a Democratic board that needs to be explained.  dcindian   Feb-20-09 03:57 PM   #58 
  - Some people (I include myself here) are well aware of racial slurs and depictions  last_texas_dem   Feb-20-09 04:04 PM   #59 
  - Racism is as American as apple pie, even from some so-called "progressives"  Numba6   Feb-20-09 04:55 PM   #65 
  - Gosh, how could anyone just assume that this cartoon was intended to insult?  EFerrari   Feb-20-09 06:39 PM   #68 
     - What do the white supremacists think about this cartoon?  Luminous Animal   Feb-21-09 05:00 PM   #74 
  - That's quite a find...  jaysunb   Feb-21-09 05:16 PM   #75 
 

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