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eridani Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Feb-20-09 11:30 PM
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167. Yes, let's all train for high tech jobs
Then we can all train our cheaper H1b visa replacements and become unemployed again. Have you notieced that there aren't a lot of jobs out there even for very highly trained people? Child care and training subsidies are far more expensive than traditional welfare, and will be a hard sell in our current climate even though both would be good investments for the long term. Meanwhile, let's quit dumping on unemployed moms, OK?
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  -For the Bill Clinton bashers question everything  Feb-18-09 12:59 AM   #0 
  - wow thatll change their minds  iamthebandfanman   Feb-18-09 01:07 AM   #1 
  - Here.... This Helps.  Yes We Did   Feb-18-09 09:14 AM   #15 
  - C'mon . . . just because the OP respects Bill Clinton doesn't mean s/he's picking a fight . . .  MrModerate   Feb-18-09 01:19 AM   #2 
  - Do we "Owe" the Clinton's too, or have they been compensated  FrenchieCat   Feb-18-09 01:38 AM   #3 
  - Well. Bill is making millions in "speaking fees," so I'd say he's been more than  Skwmom   Feb-20-09 03:27 PM   #163 
  - Do you know who Beinart is? He's a MAJOR hawk who says Dems should support the Iraq war & the surge  camera obscura   Feb-18-09 01:56 AM   #4 
  - Beinart recanted his backing of the war long ago.  wyldwolf   Feb-18-09 09:18 AM   #19 
  - "Admit It: The Surge Worked" -- January 18, 2009  camera obscura   Feb-18-09 12:47 PM   #38 
     - "I think that the surge succeeded beyond our wildest dreams" - Obama, Sept. 2008  wyldwolf   Feb-18-09 01:15 PM   #41 
        - Context. Obama was saying conditions made the surge succeed beyond his estimates.  camera obscura   Feb-18-09 01:31 PM   #47 
           - the motives of the two are irrelevant  wyldwolf   Feb-18-09 01:55 PM   #50 
              - Context does matter, because it distinguishes neocons from realists.  camera obscura   Feb-18-09 01:58 PM   #52 
                 - once you fall back on that tired cliche revolutionary rhetoric, you've lost  wyldwolf   Feb-18-09 03:25 PM   #63 
                    - LOL, neocon and realist are revolutionaly rhetoric? Someone call Colin Powell.  camera obscura   Feb-18-09 06:50 PM   #73 
                       - sure, when you simplify the argument down to "neocons v. realists"  wyldwolf   Feb-18-09 07:00 PM   #74 
  - Beinart was for war, but didn't wield the influence Bill did in urging Dems to support Bush on his  blm   Feb-18-09 12:36 PM   #35 
  - Oh come on. That's not fair.  Skwmom   Feb-20-09 03:53 PM   #164 
  - No. I judge stories I read on the merit  question everything   Feb-18-09 07:11 PM   #75 
  - President Obama stands on his own. n/t  firedupdem   Feb-18-09 02:00 AM   #5 
  - I don't think that Bill Clinton was a "panderer"  PBS Poll-435   Feb-18-09 02:48 AM   #6 
  - Clinton's "welfare DEform" left people with no help  silverojo   Feb-18-09 03:05 AM   #7 
  - Federally measured poverty fell precipitously after "welfare reform"  PBS Poll-435   Feb-18-09 03:07 AM   #8 
  - Yes - but you had a booming economy that likely had more to do with that  karynnj   Feb-18-09 09:05 AM   #12 
  - the tech bubble being responsible for the 90s economy is another rightwing talking point...  wyldwolf   Feb-18-09 09:19 AM   #20 
  - It is NOT a rightwing talking point  karynnj   Feb-18-09 10:36 AM   #28 
  - sure it is.  wyldwolf   Feb-18-09 10:42 AM   #29 
     - As I said, I did not say that it was the only thing  karynnj   Feb-18-09 11:43 AM   #31 
     - you're right. You did say he benefited from it.  wyldwolf   Feb-18-09 11:49 AM   #33 
     - An excellent analysis that deserves its own thread  question everything   Feb-18-09 07:21 PM   #81 
  - Tell that to my tech stocks. eom  Hello_Kitty   Feb-18-09 12:38 PM   #36 
     - tell that to my career path in the 90s that had nothing to do with the tech bubble  wyldwolf   Feb-18-09 01:13 PM   #40 
        - Well, since your personal experience is universally applicable  Hello_Kitty   Feb-18-09 01:21 PM   #43 
           - as are your tech stocks. lol  wyldwolf   Feb-18-09 01:22 PM   #44 
              - Yeah. Ha ha ha. That was my retirement.  Hello_Kitty   Feb-18-09 01:26 PM   #45 
                 - who's celebrating people's misfortune?  wyldwolf   Feb-18-09 01:51 PM   #49 
  - So previous welfare recipients made mad cash during the "tech bubble?"  PBS Poll-435   Feb-18-09 12:33 PM   #34 
  - The key phrase there is "federally measured"  OwnedByFerrets   Feb-19-09 01:34 PM   #145 
  - Welfare from cradle to grave is no solution either.  Beacool   Feb-18-09 09:22 AM   #21 
  - It's better than mandatory wage slavery  Lilith Velkor   Feb-18-09 04:34 PM   #65 
  - My belief is that people should not receive welfare for life.  Beacool   Feb-19-09 12:21 AM   #115 
     - She tried to make money off the media sensation  Lilith Velkor   Feb-19-09 08:46 AM   #126 
        - I'm not calling for the children to be removed from her home  Beacool   Feb-19-09 09:26 AM   #131 
           - Because they don't want to pay for birth control!  Lilith Velkor   Feb-19-09 02:47 PM   #147 
              - Family Planning provides birth control  Beacool   Feb-19-09 05:17 PM   #148 
                 - I have never heard of Family Planning  Lilith Velkor   Feb-19-09 07:09 PM   #150 
                    - Oh geez, my bad!!!  Beacool   Feb-19-09 11:21 PM   #153 
                       - Thanks, B  Lilith Velkor   Feb-20-09 10:51 AM   #159 
                          - You're welcome.  Beacool   Feb-20-09 12:42 PM   #160 
  - That's disgusting. Being required to work for less than minimum wage is slavery  eridani   Feb-19-09 01:54 AM   #120 
  - Then they should get training and get their act together.  Beacool   Feb-19-09 09:33 AM   #132 
     - That is nonsense. The average welfare case file is less than two years  eridani   Feb-20-09 06:12 AM   #157 
        - I didn't say that it was occurring at the moment.  Beacool   Feb-20-09 12:45 PM   #161 
           - Yes, let's all train for high tech jobs  eridani   Feb-20-09 11:29 PM   #166 
           - I think that handing out check after check,  Beacool   Feb-21-09 02:07 AM   #168 
              - Bullshit. They hand out checks for 2 and 1/2 years on average. That isn't "year after year"  eridani   Feb-21-09 03:37 AM   #173 
           - Yes, let's all train for high tech jobs  eridani   Feb-20-09 11:30 PM   #167 
  - Welfare cost maybe $30 billion in federal money a year before Welfare Reform  Hippo_Tron   Feb-19-09 01:12 PM   #141 
     - The Defense budget is an obscene joke.  Beacool   Feb-19-09 05:26 PM   #149 
        - Again, philosophically I agree with you  Hippo_Tron   Feb-19-09 08:11 PM   #151 
           - OK, but what do you suggest?  Beacool   Feb-19-09 11:33 PM   #154 
              - I accept that there will inevitably be some free riders who won't get it together  Hippo_Tron   Feb-20-09 10:37 AM   #158 
  - The writer does not try to justify welfare reform  question everything   Feb-18-09 07:15 PM   #76 
  - I will love The Big Dog to the end of my days  Skittles   Feb-18-09 03:22 AM   #9 
  - Hear, hear!!!!!  Beacool   Feb-18-09 09:24 AM   #22 
  - It's like not liking the Beatles. It's about all the bad music the Beatles rescued us from. Same  Captain Hilts   Feb-18-09 02:47 PM   #56 
  - That's the spirit!  question everything   Feb-18-09 07:20 PM   #80 
  - Well said!!!!  Beacool   Feb-21-09 02:12 AM   #169 
  - Call me crazy but this doesn't sound like a positive article. Plenty of back-handed "compliments."  Metric System   Feb-18-09 08:41 AM   #10 
  - I does not aim at complimenting anyone  question everything   Feb-18-09 07:23 PM   #82 
  - The author was a neo-con from The New Republic  karynnj   Feb-18-09 08:58 AM   #11 
  - Great post.  bottomtheweaver   Feb-21-09 02:30 AM   #170 
  - Media consolidation, free trade, deregulation of the financial industry, etc.  Skwmom   Feb-18-09 09:07 AM   #13 
  - "many would argue that he's really a Republican who ran as a Democrat)." No, not many. Just some on  Metric System   Feb-18-09 09:15 AM   #18 
  - Define "far left". You sound like O'Reilly!!  Liberal_Stalwart71   Feb-18-09 10:29 AM   #26 
  - I will  wyldwolf   Feb-18-09 01:18 PM   #42 
  - But what do you say to the Republicans I've heard who DID call Bill Clinton a Republican?  Liberal_Stalwart71   Feb-18-09 02:00 PM   #53 
     - I would tell them they're full of shit  wyldwolf   Feb-18-09 03:48 PM   #64 
        - This is what I'm talking about, thanks to FLAProgressive...  Liberal_Stalwart71   Feb-18-09 07:28 PM   #86 
           - what say me?  wyldwolf   Feb-18-09 07:52 PM   #92 
              - Are you serious? There has been a 30+ year war against progressivism in this country  Liberal_Stalwart71   Feb-18-09 08:07 PM   #93 
                 - of course I am.  wyldwolf   Feb-18-09 08:11 PM   #94 
                    - None of what you are saying makes sense. If you don't know the history of the Democratic  Liberal_Stalwart71   Feb-18-09 08:31 PM   #96 
                       - It makes no sense because you'll never see it on "progressive" blogs  wyldwolf   Feb-18-09 08:46 PM   #97 
                          - I dispute two of those  Lilith Velkor   Feb-18-09 10:16 PM   #103 
                          - The Repukes are now talking about nationalizing the banks! What's up their sleeves?  Liberal_Stalwart71   Feb-18-09 10:24 PM   #105 
                             - I think they are trying to prepare their base for it  Lilith Velkor   Feb-18-09 10:52 PM   #108 
                          - Most of these Dems you mentioned are "progressives"  Liberal_Stalwart71   Feb-19-09 09:06 AM   #127 
                             - Like who? Let's roll through some facts  wyldwolf   Feb-19-09 09:08 AM   #128 
                                - Again, you are on ignore. Bye-bye...  Liberal_Stalwart71   Feb-19-09 09:13 AM   #129 
                                   - Imagine! A "progressive" ignoring a request for facts.  wyldwolf   Feb-19-09 09:17 AM   #130 
  - Here is "The Far Left":  bvar22   Feb-18-09 02:59 PM   #60 
  - bvar, that doesn't seem so far, in fact that seems like the actual mainstream!  Uncle Joe   Feb-19-09 01:55 PM   #146 
  - See wyldwolf's definition. Oh, and I sound like O'Reilly?!? Ugh. Unlike him I don't consider the  Metric System   Feb-18-09 03:03 PM   #61 
  - No Republicans? Oh please, he's been adopted by the Bush family.  Skwmom   Feb-18-09 10:32 AM   #27 
     - Rebuttal - with links  wyldwolf   Feb-18-09 01:50 PM   #48 
  - How many of those were pushed by the Republican congress and Senate  Mr. Sparkle   Feb-19-09 08:17 PM   #152 
  - Pffffffffft!  acmavm   Feb-18-09 09:12 AM   #14 
  - So he was so bad he was good?  Every Man A King   Feb-18-09 09:14 AM   #16 
  - Are we bashing Bill again?  Yes We Did   Feb-18-09 09:15 AM   #17 
  - Imagine That!!!  polmaven   Feb-18-09 09:38 AM   #23 
  - So there can be Clinton bashers but not Obama bashers  WI_DEM   Feb-18-09 09:43 AM   #24 
  - GWBush was critical to Obama becoming president. And winning Congress in '06. nt  Captain Hilts   Feb-18-09 02:49 PM   #57 
  - That article is a load of bollocks.  Spider Jerusalem   Feb-18-09 10:20 AM   #25 
  - The writer does not claim that these were good things  question everything   Feb-19-09 01:39 AM   #119 
  - Clinton deserves to be bashed for giving the wingnuts the ammunition to impeach him.  AtomicKitten   Feb-18-09 10:46 AM   #30 
  - yeah, that must be why Hillary campaigned and fundraised for Obama  Beacool   Feb-18-09 12:40 PM   #37 
  - He chose her to keep her pissing out of the tent instead of into the tent  AtomicKitten   Feb-18-09 05:21 PM   #69 
     - Holbrooke and Mitchell were her suggestions.  Beacool   Feb-18-09 05:58 PM   #71 
        - The were Obama's appointments, Obama chose them and chose to entrust  AtomicKitten   Feb-18-09 07:18 PM   #78 
           - Nope, Hillary chose them. Obama approved them.  Beacool   Feb-18-09 10:51 PM   #107 
              - Good grief. That's not the point. Holbrooke and Mitchell report directly to President Obama.  AtomicKitten   Feb-18-09 11:12 PM   #111 
  - Wow! I haven't heard 'blame the victim' shit in years! thanks for the nostalgia trip!  Captain Hilts   Feb-18-09 02:49 PM   #58 
     - Bill Clinton is no victim. He is a sexual predator that took advantage of a young intern. n/t  AtomicKitten   Feb-18-09 05:18 PM   #68 
     - Um no. That's not how it worked. Sorry. nt  Captain Hilts   Feb-18-09 05:25 PM   #70 
     - Your denial is wrong on so many levels.  AtomicKitten   Feb-18-09 07:24 PM   #84 
     - Wow  PBS Poll-435   Feb-18-09 07:24 PM   #83 
     - OK. Edit: "sexual opportunist" ... also I'll stipulate it is was instead of is.  AtomicKitten   Feb-18-09 10:05 PM   #101 
        - Yeah. That ship has sailed.  PBS Poll-435   Feb-19-09 03:22 AM   #122 
           - An older powerful man diddling an intern has that predatory stank, but "opportunist" will do.  AtomicKitten   Feb-19-09 12:13 PM   #135 
     - If Clinton is a sexual predator so was Ted Kennedy & JFK  girl_interrupted   Feb-18-09 07:44 PM   #90 
        - I didn't suggest she was but you'd have to actually read further to ascertain that.  AtomicKitten   Feb-18-09 07:48 PM   #91 
        - your source is hysterical! A link to yourself!! LOL!  wyldwolf   Feb-18-09 09:01 PM   #98 
        - disputing what she suggested I said when I said quite the opposite ... LOL!  AtomicKitten   Feb-18-09 10:03 PM   #100 
        - I did read further  girl_interrupted   Feb-18-09 10:19 PM   #104 
        - Comparing him to Ted Kennedy and JFK doesn't mitigate what Clinton did.  AtomicKitten   Feb-18-09 10:41 PM   #106 
           - Doesn't mitigate what they did either  girl_interrupted   Feb-18-09 11:09 PM   #110 
              - I did no such thing. Good grief. You are building a strawman to argue with.  AtomicKitten   Feb-18-09 11:25 PM   #112 
                 - It has everything to do with the discussion  girl_interrupted   Feb-18-09 11:45 PM   #114 
                    - You argued the "she was asking for it" defense and you should be ashamed.  AtomicKitten   Feb-19-09 12:07 PM   #133 
        - I certainly love that you call a college graduate a "hoochie-mama"  PBS Poll-435   Feb-19-09 03:39 AM   #123 
           - that's what happens when you announce you're bringing knee pads to D.C.  AtomicKitten   Feb-19-09 01:05 PM   #139 
        - What Teddy did was inexcusable.  Beacool   Feb-19-09 12:32 AM   #116 
        - How many hours did it take Bill to fess up?  bottomtheweaver   Feb-21-09 02:36 AM   #172 
        - Good grief, you're dragging in a CIA hit job to prop up your Clinton support?  bottomtheweaver   Feb-21-09 02:35 AM   #171 
     - Clinton "derangement syndrome" strikes again.  Beacool   Feb-18-09 06:03 PM   #72 
        - Convenient buzz phrase to summarily dismiss people that don't agree with you. n/t  AtomicKitten   Feb-18-09 07:19 PM   #79 
           - here's a quote for you...  wyldwolf   Feb-18-09 09:06 PM   #99 
              - Yes, I was you. Only on DU could this metamorphosis occur and I thank DU for that.  AtomicKitten   Feb-18-09 10:10 PM   #102 
              - A regression, yes  wyldwolf   Feb-19-09 04:36 AM   #124 
                 - I stopped knee-jerk defending them and saw them in a critical light and not Clinton First mindset.  AtomicKitten   Feb-19-09 12:11 PM   #134 
                    - what you call "knee jerk defense," others call "we've heard this bullshit before."  wyldwolf   Feb-19-09 01:00 PM   #136 
                       - that's what happens when you persist in white-washing their record and actions n/t  AtomicKitten   Feb-19-09 01:02 PM   #137 
                          - that's what happens when you take paronoid fabrications and believe them with scant evidence  wyldwolf   Feb-19-09 01:03 PM   #138 
                             - You have to open your eyes to see the truth. The proof has always been there. n/t  AtomicKitten   Feb-19-09 01:06 PM   #140 
                                - what proof? Your last reply reads like a cult recruitment technique  wyldwolf   Feb-19-09 01:14 PM   #142 
                                   - I don't have time to board your silly circuitous ride today, wolf.  AtomicKitten   Feb-19-09 01:18 PM   #143 
                                      - yeah, the cult leaders often say things like that to the non-believers  wyldwolf   Feb-19-09 01:27 PM   #144 
                                         - What propaganda? Your blanket nonspecific defense IS knee-jerk defending them.  AtomicKitten   Feb-20-09 12:41 AM   #155 
                                            - where did anyone say "propaganda?"  wyldwolf   Feb-20-09 05:52 AM   #156 
              - Wow! Eye-opening! n/t  rvablue   Feb-20-09 04:01 PM   #165 
  - What's with all the hero worshipping?  HiFructosePronSyrup   Feb-18-09 11:45 AM   #32 
  - Clinton is perhaps the most skilled politician of our time. Here's what he did right, and what he  RBInMaine   Feb-18-09 12:52 PM   #39 
  - I agree with the content of your post but not the superlative in your title  rvablue   Feb-18-09 02:20 PM   #55 
     - True. Clinton had no one to go to school on. Good point. nt  Captain Hilts   Feb-18-09 02:51 PM   #59 
     - Obama has a way to go before we can judge. Yup, Bill did wrong, BUT the GOP attack machine was  RBInMaine   Feb-18-09 05:13 PM   #67 
        - This is correct. Lee Atwater set his sights on him immediately  question everything   Feb-18-09 07:34 PM   #87 
  - I'll always love Bill Clinton  johan helge   Feb-18-09 01:27 PM   #46 
  - Hmm. I wonder if all those people who say it's creepy to say you "love" a politician  DevonRex   Feb-18-09 01:56 PM   #51 
     - Once, some years ago, I actually dreamt  johan helge   Feb-18-09 03:20 PM   #62 
  - Ah, jeez, thanks for reminding me.  Skidmore   Feb-18-09 02:07 PM   #54 
  - "As it shows Clintonism the door"  Lilith Velkor   Feb-18-09 04:42 PM   #66 
  - Why bash Bill Clinton? Last time America had a good brain in  JayMusgrove   Feb-18-09 07:18 PM   #77 
  - Critcizing Clinton does not equal bashing him  progressiveforever   Feb-18-09 07:25 PM   #85 
  - I had a thread here the other day, that Bill was going to be interviewed  question everything   Feb-18-09 07:36 PM   #88 
     - That's a shame  progressiveforever   Feb-18-09 10:58 PM   #109 
  - very interesting article - thanks for posting  spooky3   Feb-18-09 07:40 PM   #89 
  - I don't like the term "owe" in that context  ecstatic   Feb-18-09 08:20 PM   #95 
  - You are probably right  question everything   Feb-19-09 01:15 AM   #118 
  - Link, please, to supposed "Bill Clinton hater" posts? I haven't seen any.  Honeycombe8   Feb-18-09 11:27 PM   #113 
  - Here is one  question everything   Feb-19-09 01:11 AM   #117 
  - Well, bully for the upper half of the income distribution. Aren't they all just IT?  eridani   Feb-19-09 02:12 AM   #121 
  - Well then ...  GeorgeGist   Feb-19-09 06:15 AM   #125 
  - Bill Clinton went with Wall Street and look at the end result.  Skwmom   Feb-20-09 03:24 PM   #162 

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