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Better Believe It Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Feb-15-09 09:39 PM
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25. You have failed to research this matter and are 100% dead wrong. Let me prove it to you ....

Once again, the Senate leadership can at any time change Senate rules on debates, including those relating to filibusters.

What facts are you disputing or challenging in the following public information regarding the so-called "nuclear option" to stop filibusters?

So far not a single DU'ers has challenged or questioned with hard facts the ability of the Democratic Party leadership in the Senate to use the "nuclear option".

Can you do so with more than empty rhetoric?

I'm listening.

The Senate can use the so-called "nuclear option" in which the Senate simply and easily changes Senate rules so that only 51 votes would be required to approve Hilda Solis or any other Obama appointments and legislation such as the Employee Free Choice Act. proh

So what really is the "nuclear option" which scared the crap out of Senator Reid and other Democratic Senators in 2005 and which some DLC'ers are afraid Democrats might use to stop Republican filibusters?

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In U.S. politics, the nuclear option is an attempt by the presiding officer of the United States Senate to end a filibuster by majority vote, as opposed to 60 senators voting to end a filibuster. Although it is not provided for in the formal rules of the Senate, the procedure is the subject of a 1957 parliamentary opinion and has been used on several occasions since. The term was coined by Senator Trent Lott (Republican of Mississippi) in 2005

The Nuclear Option is used in response to a filibuster or other dilatory tactic. A senator makes a point of order calling for an immediate vote on the measure before the body, outlining what circumstances allow for this. The presiding officer of the Senate, usually the vice president of the United States or the president pro tempore, makes a parliamentary ruling upholding the senator's point of order. The Constitution is cited at this point, since otherwise the presiding officer is bound by precedent. A supporter of the filibuster may challenge the ruling by asking, "Is the decision of the Chair to stand as the judgment of the Senate?" This is referred to as "appealing from the Chair." An opponent of the filibuster will then move to table the appeal. As tabling is non-debatable, a vote is held immediately. A simple majority decides the issue. If the appeal is successfully tabled, then the presiding officer's ruling that the filibuster is unconstitutional is thereby upheld. Thus a simple majority is able to cut off debate, and the Senate moves to a vote on the substantive issue under consideration. The effect of the nuclear option is not limited to the single question under consideration, as it would be in a cloture vote. Rather, the nuclear option effects a change in the operational rules of the Senate, so that the filibuster or dilatory tactic would thereafter be barred by the new precedent.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Nuclear_option




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  -So why do President Obama's Cabinet Appointments Now Require 60 Votes for Confirmation? Better Believe It  Feb-14-09 11:46 AM   #0 
  - If she only gets 59 votes  Gman   Feb-14-09 11:57 AM   #1 
  - The Republicans haven't threatened a filibuster against Solis.  Better Believe It   Feb-14-09 12:10 PM   #2 
     - I think the thinking is to assume there will be a filibuster  Gman   Feb-15-09 12:27 AM   #13 
     - Wow! The 'Bush Doctrine" all over again  LastLiberal in PalmSprings   Feb-17-09 08:21 PM   #30 
     - I don't know if they've threatened that, but they sure do hate her.  Honeycombe8   Feb-15-09 12:29 AM   #14 
  - If the Republicans filibuster against Solis here are the Democratic Options  Better Believe It   Feb-14-09 12:25 PM   #3 
  - I'd make them fillibuser until they dropped dead on the Senate floor.  Phx_Dem   Feb-14-09 06:30 PM   #5 
     - actually you're wrong about the Democrats abilty to withstand a filibuster for a month  onenote   Feb-19-09 04:13 PM   #37 
  - Still waiting for someone to explain why Republicans only needed 51 Senate votes to pass bills and .  Better Believe It   Feb-14-09 06:26 PM   #4 
  - We filibustered plenty of his judicial appointments. Remember the whole  Occam Bandage   Feb-14-09 06:31 PM   #6 
  - Because the Democrats never showed any spine during the Bush administration and only very rarely  IsItJustMe   Feb-15-09 03:44 PM   #20 
  - Because Democrats in the 109th Congress voted for cloture  TayTay   Feb-15-09 07:52 PM   #23 
  - the "Democrats" would make it 100 votes if they thought we weren't watching them  leftofthedial   Feb-14-09 06:37 PM   #7 
  - To answer the original question.....60 votes are needed to invoke cloture - stop debating.  suston96   Feb-14-09 06:39 PM   #8 
  - But Democratic Senators can change Senate rules so that only 51 votes are needed to pass bills ....  Better Believe It   Feb-14-09 11:05 PM   #11 
  - There's a simple answer  WeDidIt   Feb-14-09 06:44 PM   #9 
  - The GOP is willing to use the minority rules while the Dems weren't when they were in the minority.  book_worm   Feb-14-09 06:50 PM   #10 
  - Up or down vote time  high density   Feb-14-09 11:13 PM   #12 
  - Its was only a couple yrs ago, the Republicans set a record for fillibusters  Thrill   Feb-15-09 12:31 AM   #15 
  - So the Republicans are still in control of the Senate?  Better Believe It   Feb-15-09 10:28 AM   #18 
     - They are not in control of the agenda and what comes up for a vote. But they are completely capable  IsItJustMe   Feb-15-09 03:48 PM   #21 
  - "the nuclear option"? How infuriating.  ContinentalOp   Feb-15-09 12:55 AM   #16 
  - It is against Senate practice to filibuster presidential appointments  Unsane   Feb-15-09 01:26 AM   #17 
  - Sure. :) So let's bring up Hilda Solis up for a vote on Tuesday  Better Believe It   Feb-15-09 03:02 PM   #19 
     - The answer has been given to you  AZ Criminal JD   Feb-15-09 07:17 PM   #22 
        - You have failed to research this matter and are 100% dead wrong. Let me prove it to you ....  Better Believe It   Feb-15-09 09:39 PM   #25 
           - The so-called "nuclear option" was not used in the situation you describe  AZ Criminal JD   Feb-17-09 07:13 PM   #29 
              - I know that. Do you know why the Republicans didn't use the "nuclear option"?  Better Believe It   Feb-17-09 10:07 PM   #31 
                 - The Senate doesn't change its rules after they are set in January  AZ Criminal JD   Feb-18-09 06:54 PM   #32 
                    - The fact that the Senate makes rules in January is irrelevant. They can also change them later.  Better Believe It   Feb-18-09 07:18 PM   #33 
                       - No, I am not the only person.  AZ Criminal JD   Feb-19-09 03:23 PM   #34 
                          - So who else agrees with you? It sure isn't Senator Reid or any other Democratic Senator!  Better Believe It   Feb-19-09 03:47 PM   #35 
                             - Reid does agree with me. That why he hasn't changed the rules.  AZ Criminal JD   Feb-19-09 04:00 PM   #36 
  - The "nuclear option" as it was described back then at least, only applied to judicial  tritsofme   Feb-15-09 08:06 PM   #24 
     - The so-called "nuclear option" can be used to end debate on any matter before the Senate ....  Better Believe It   Feb-15-09 09:48 PM   #26 
        - The goal of the 2005 "nuclear option" was very narrow.  tritsofme   Feb-15-09 11:33 PM   #27 
           - This can be broader and it will work to stop ALL obstructionist filibusters  Better Believe It   Feb-15-09 11:46 PM   #28 
              - you assume, quite incorrectly, that Democrats would want to end the filibuster practice  onenote   Feb-19-09 04:41 PM   #38 
 

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