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28. What Democratic Partisanship? Senate Republicans wrote the badly weakened stimulus bill

And we didn't even need the three so-called "moderate" Republicans to get a better stimulus bill passed.

If the Republicans had actually organize a Senate floor filibuster on this legislation the Democrats had the following options.

1. Surrender to the filibuster and withdraw the legislation.

2. Agree to Republican demands and weaken legislation to the point of being ineffective. (They did that on a grand scale)

3. Let the Republicans filibuster until the public tired of Republican obstructionism and 60 Senators finally agree to end debate and proceed with an up and down vote for new legislation.

4. Use the so-called "nuclear option" in which the Senate simply and easily changes Senate rules which would require 51 votes to pass legislation and prohibit Republican filibuster.

So what really is the "nuclear option" which scared the crap out of Senator Reid and other Democratic Senators in 2005?

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In U.S. politics, the nuclear option is an attempt by the presiding officer of the United States Senate to end a filibuster by majority vote, as opposed to 60 senators voting to end a filibuster. Although it is not provided for in the formal rules of the Senate, the procedure is the subject of a 1957 parliamentary opinion and has been used on several occasions since. The term was coined by Senator Trent Lott (Republican of Mississippi) in 2005

The Nuclear Option is used in response to a filibuster or other dilatory tactic. A senator makes a point of order calling for an immediate vote on the measure before the body, outlining what circumstances allow for this. The presiding officer of the Senate, usually the vice president of the United States or the president pro tempore, makes a parliamentary ruling upholding the senator's point of order. The Constitution is cited at this point, since otherwise the presiding officer is bound by precedent. A supporter of the filibuster may challenge the ruling by asking, "Is the decision of the Chair to stand as the judgment of the Senate?" This is referred to as "appealing from the Chair." An opponent of the filibuster will then move to table the appeal. As tabling is non-debatable, a vote is held immediately. A simple majority decides the issue. If the appeal is successfully tabled, then the presiding officer's ruling that the filibuster is unconstitutional is thereby upheld. Thus a simple majority is able to cut off debate, and the Senate moves to a vote on the substantive issue under consideration. The effect of the nuclear option is not limited to the single question under consideration, as it would be in a cloture vote. Rather, the nuclear option effects a change in the operational rules of the Senate, so that the filibuster or dilatory tactic would thereafter be barred by the new precedent.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Nuclear_option

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  -Will Obama's bipartisanship strategy work in the long run? Cheney Killed Bambi  Feb-12-09 08:48 PM   #0 
  - It's doomed to failure. The Repugs are even more committed to that than Obama is to bipartisanship  katandmoon   Feb-12-09 08:51 PM   #1 
  - That remains to be seen but what is being seen now is that  MadMaddie   Feb-12-09 08:51 PM   #2 
  - they will not get re-elected that is for sure.  bdamomma   Feb-12-09 08:56 PM   #9 
  - I agree  Andy823   Feb-12-09 09:01 PM   #17 
  - maybe for the repubs lol nt  msongs   Feb-12-09 08:51 PM   #3 
  - I don't think it was a strategy at all. It's purely tactical  WeDidIt   Feb-12-09 08:51 PM   #4 
  - IT will work for the American people's peace of mind and Barack Obama's  FrenchieCat   Feb-12-09 08:52 PM   #5 
  - well Frenchie Cat when his approval ratings get higher from us  bdamomma   Feb-12-09 08:59 PM   #14 
  - Gregg failing is a gopper failing.  tekisui   Feb-12-09 08:53 PM   #6 
  - He promised voters he would try. And thats what he's done  Thrill   Feb-12-09 08:53 PM   #7 
  - Bingo!  silverojo   Feb-12-09 08:57 PM   #11 
  - well the actions of the repigs for the last week show  bdamomma   Feb-12-09 08:54 PM   #8 
  - It depends on what you mean by "work". Will it get many Congressional Republicans  Pirate Smile   Feb-12-09 08:57 PM   #10 
  - i HOPE you are right  Cheney Killed Bambi   Feb-12-09 08:57 PM   #13 
  - Obama knows the heart of Republicans. He knows they want him to fail.  Avalux   Feb-12-09 08:57 PM   #12 
  - Yes, it's working now. Doesn't the GOP just look more and more like losers?  NYC_SKP   Feb-12-09 08:59 PM   #15 
  - In the publics eye  nevergiveup   Feb-12-09 09:00 PM   #16 
  - BINGO! He looks sincere, they look like whiny crybabies.  Jennicut   Feb-12-09 11:17 PM   #39 
  - The entitlements and health care require true give and take to get anything.  MarjorieG   Feb-12-09 09:06 PM   #18 
  - Obama can learn something from Abe Lincoln's radical Republican partisanship  Better Believe It   Feb-12-09 09:23 PM   #19 
  - The independents like it.  ej510   Feb-12-09 09:28 PM   #20 
  - You may be right  Cheney Killed Bambi   Feb-12-09 09:32 PM   #21 
  - No. At least not until after 2010.  PFunk   Feb-12-09 09:39 PM   #22 
  - Yes. The Clinton's showed what happens when you respond in kind  Numba6   Feb-12-09 09:42 PM   #23 
  - Think big picture strategy..Obama  Cha   Feb-12-09 09:43 PM   #24 
  - It Already Has...  KharmaTrain   Feb-12-09 09:45 PM   #25 
  - I think you're spot on, and I am thinking more and more that he will again select  Parker CA   Feb-12-09 10:01 PM   #30 
  - Yes, Americans are sick of partisanship  prolesunited   Feb-12-09 09:48 PM   #26 
  - What Democratic Partisanship? Senate Republicans wrote the badly weakened stimulus bill  Better Believe It   Feb-12-09 09:57 PM   #28 
  - NO  doc03   Feb-12-09 09:54 PM   #27 
  - Simple, sweet and absolutely true. Follow Abe Lincoln not Harry Reid!  Better Believe It   Feb-12-09 09:59 PM   #29 
     - You gotta give the Republics credit for one thing,  doc03   Feb-12-09 10:08 PM   #31 
        - This is a huge area the Dem's need to brush up on. The concept of group cohesion in the face of  Parker CA   Feb-12-09 10:12 PM   #32 
           - Look at the last 8 years they didn't have the majority  doc03   Feb-12-09 10:21 PM   #34 
  - What do you mean by "work"  Uzybone   Feb-12-09 10:20 PM   #33 
  - Not with this Congress. Hasn't so far, don't know why anyone would think it ever would.  liberalsince1968   Feb-12-09 10:23 PM   #35 
  - Constant and continued pressure will generally result in erosion. It has been less than 25 days. nt  Parker CA   Feb-12-09 10:28 PM   #37 
  - It seems to be working OK for the Republicans so far  Better Believe It   Feb-12-09 10:26 PM   #36 
  - That's one way of looking at it. Here's another.....  FrenchieCat   Feb-12-09 11:27 PM   #40 
  - Obama tried with their sorry asses and got nothing in return  Jennicut   Feb-12-09 11:16 PM   #38 
  - Not so that he has gotten nothing in return........  FrenchieCat   Feb-12-09 11:28 PM   #41 
     - I agree Frenchie! The shift in public perception has changed  Jennicut   Feb-13-09 12:08 AM   #44 
  - Not a chance  tonycinla   Feb-12-09 11:41 PM   #42 
  - Obama is setting ground work for framing the GOp as a party of self interested obstructive tools  Hellataz   Feb-12-09 11:49 PM   #43 
  - Obama is a smart man. I doubt this "one-sided bipartisanship" will have a long run.  kwenu   Feb-13-09 12:19 AM   #45 
 

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