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Wed Feb-11-09 03:03 PM
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| Let's Face It, This Stimulus Package Is One Hell Of A GIGANTIC |
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Victory for the President! http://www.talkingpointsmemo.com/archives/2009/02/a_win... "A month ago, Obama economists Romer and Bernstein released job-creation projections that "assumed a package just slightly over the $775 billion currently under discussion." Lo and behold, the final bill comes in at $789 billion. It reportedly includes Obama's proposed tax cuts, comprising almost exactly the same proportion of the overall package. For the past month, media attention has focused on all the changes to the package, and on the controversies it has engendered. Obama has been criticized for failing to forge a bipartisan consensus, for not safeguarding his priorities, and for not taking a sufficiently aggressive role in the negotiations on the Hill. So it's worth stepping back to take note of the fact that the final package looks remarkably like what Obama has wanted all along. In fact, it's closer to that original proposal than to either the House or Senate versions of the bill. Remarkable." Indeed. Remarkable. Seems like Obama kinda maybe sorta knows what the fuck he's doing.
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| -Let's Face It, This Stimulus Package Is One Hell Of A GIGANTIC |
Beetwasher |
Feb-11-09 03:03 PM |
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It sure is. For all those people who thought he wouldn't get anything |
babylonsister |
Feb-11-09 03:04 PM |
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No fear. There will be those... |
damonm |
Feb-11-09 03:06 PM |
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And We're What? 3 Weeks In??? |
Beetwasher |
Feb-11-09 03:07 PM |
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According to my Uncle... |
liberalmuse |
Feb-11-09 03:18 PM |
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He can't actually believe that. |
musicblind |
Feb-11-09 03:43 PM |
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Obama does not play, he is focused and determined. |
bdamomma |
Feb-12-09 10:54 AM |
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His political jujitsu is strong, grasshopper. n/t |
AtomicKitten |
Feb-11-09 05:21 PM |
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The force is with him. nt |
skooooo |
Feb-11-09 06:55 PM |
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So he does...... |
FrenchieCat |
Feb-11-09 03:05 PM |
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Great video, what Crist said about the voice of the people being |
firedupdem |
Feb-11-09 03:12 PM |
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I saw that interview last night.. I |
Cha |
Feb-11-09 04:12 PM |
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Yes he does. |
Tigermoose |
Feb-11-09 03:09 PM |
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Politically, it is a victory... but it is also a sad thing... |
scheming daemons |
Feb-11-09 03:11 PM |
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Dammit! |
Beetwasher |
Feb-11-09 03:12 PM |
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Of course! My point is that it is tragic that it came to this... |
scheming daemons |
Feb-11-09 03:15 PM |
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I Know |
Beetwasher |
Feb-11-09 03:16 PM |
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I definitely think you should celebrate it. Obama had to know long before 1/20 in sitting down with |
poverlay |
Feb-11-09 03:19 PM |
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He will see it as a huge victory for the people |
liberal N proud |
Feb-11-09 03:16 PM |
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Let's hope the political victory makes up for the economic damage it will do. |
MercutioATC |
Feb-11-09 03:18 PM |
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That's The Stupidest Thing I've Ever Heard |
Beetwasher |
Feb-11-09 03:20 PM |
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Right, because huge deficit spending has no effect on a currency's value. |
MercutioATC |
Feb-11-09 03:24 PM |
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Really? And What Exactly Are Those Programs? |
Beetwasher |
Feb-11-09 03:25 PM |
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Infrastructure and health insurance reform to start. |
MercutioATC |
Feb-11-09 04:05 PM |
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Way To Avoid The Question |
Beetwasher |
Feb-11-09 04:07 PM |
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12% of the bill is infrastructure spending. |
MercutioATC |
Feb-11-09 04:20 PM |
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So, IOW, YOU HAVE NOTHING |
Beetwasher |
Feb-11-09 04:23 PM |
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Here |
sandnsea |
Feb-11-09 04:43 PM |
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Too Many Facts Get In The Way Of Bloviating About Imaginary "Bloat" |
Beetwasher |
Feb-11-09 04:48 PM |
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My, you ARE a hostile little man. |
MercutioATC |
Feb-11-09 05:16 PM |
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Name removed |
Feb-11-09 05:32 PM |
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Well, the WSJ article lists the "bloat"...I'll type out some of it for you... |
MercutioATC |
Feb-11-09 05:44 PM |
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LOL |
Beetwasher |
Feb-11-09 06:02 PM |
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Handing out rubber chickens would create jobs. |
MercutioATC |
Feb-11-09 06:09 PM |
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Did you get that from a WSJ OP Ed Too? |
Beetwasher |
Feb-11-09 06:18 PM |
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"Outed" myself? I have a lot more time here than you... |
MercutioATC |
Feb-11-09 06:25 PM |
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Uh Huh |
Beetwasher |
Feb-11-09 06:30 PM |
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Oh |
Beetwasher |
Feb-11-09 06:50 PM |
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You're correct. I just have more posts than you. |
MercutioATC |
Feb-11-09 07:04 PM |
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So What? Thats no point |
Beetwasher |
Feb-11-09 07:17 PM |
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Along those same lines... |
PerpetuallyDazed |
Feb-12-09 09:00 AM |
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Child care subsidies are not bloat |
Political Heretic |
Feb-11-09 08:42 PM |
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You're Confusing Him With Rationality |
Beetwasher |
Feb-11-09 08:47 PM |
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That's true. I've seen the dollar for dollar break down of the bill the Senate passed. |
Political Heretic |
Feb-11-09 08:59 PM |
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That's the problem with Washington politics, though. |
MercutioATC |
Feb-11-09 09:00 PM |
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Says the jeenyus who would like to add health insurance reform |
Beetwasher |
Feb-11-09 09:08 PM |
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I'm refraining from replying directly to your posts. |
MercutioATC |
Feb-11-09 09:13 PM |
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Well then! |
Beetwasher |
Feb-11-09 09:18 PM |
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Um |
Terran |
Feb-11-09 06:51 PM |
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Your point? |
MercutioATC |
Feb-11-09 07:09 PM |
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and exactly who is going to deliver that health care? |
northernlights |
Feb-12-09 10:48 AM |
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Why in the world would that happen? n/t |
sandnsea |
Feb-11-09 03:23 PM |
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See above. Deficit spending devalues our currency... |
MercutioATC |
Feb-11-09 03:26 PM |
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And Creates Jobs |
Beetwasher |
Feb-11-09 03:26 PM |
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Sensible investment |
sandnsea |
Feb-11-09 03:36 PM |
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I agree. SENSIBLE investment. |
MercutioATC |
Feb-11-09 04:08 PM |
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Again, What Parts Of This Bill Are "let's fund everything we think is a good idea" |
Beetwasher |
Feb-11-09 04:10 PM |
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Health insurance reform would provide an immediate stimulus... |
MercutioATC |
Feb-11-09 05:21 PM |
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Really? How So? |
Beetwasher |
Feb-11-09 05:34 PM |
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Are you drunk? Perhaps just naturally rude? |
MercutioATC |
Feb-11-09 06:08 PM |
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Bwahaahahahhaha |
Beetwasher |
Feb-11-09 06:21 PM |
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AND WHO IS GOING TO DELIVER THE HEALTH CARE? |
northernlights |
Feb-12-09 11:37 AM |
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Schools, transit, energy, highways, |
sandnsea |
Feb-11-09 04:15 PM |
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if only that were true |
northernlights |
Feb-12-09 11:21 AM |
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We're actually in a deflationary spiral right now.... a little inflation is good right now |
scheming daemons |
Feb-11-09 03:23 PM |
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Don't Let Facts Get In The Way Of Idiotic Sniping |
Beetwasher |
Feb-11-09 03:24 PM |
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The problem is that inflation builds momentum. |
MercutioATC |
Feb-11-09 05:19 PM |
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According to YOU |
Beetwasher |
Feb-11-09 05:35 PM |
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Have you checked the value of the U.S. Dollar lately? |
MercutioATC |
Feb-11-09 05:56 PM |
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Tell It To All The Award Winning Economists |
Beetwasher |
Feb-11-09 06:05 PM |
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You just don't get the fact that the economy is dynamic, do you? |
MercutioATC |
Feb-11-09 06:13 PM |
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Back Up YR bullshit professor Krugman |
Beetwasher |
Feb-11-09 06:23 PM |
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Ok, now you're just not making any sense. |
MercutioATC |
Feb-11-09 06:34 PM |
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So Why Are You The Only Jeenyus Around |
Beetwasher |
Feb-11-09 06:38 PM |
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Why do you seem to be the only person who's not? |
MercutioATC |
Feb-11-09 06:41 PM |
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Well should be easy for you |
Beetwasher |
Feb-11-09 06:46 PM |
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The International Herald Tribune? |
MercutioATC |
Feb-11-09 07:02 PM |
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Oh. My. Goodnes!!!!!! ROFL!!!!!!! |
Beetwasher |
Feb-11-09 07:13 PM |
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If you don't see that the fundamentals are the same, you never will. |
MercutioATC |
Feb-11-09 07:23 PM |
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Last Refuge Of A Shill |
Beetwasher |
Feb-11-09 08:24 PM |
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I'm more worried about deflation at the moment. Some inflation would help, actually. nt |
Occam Bandage |
Feb-11-09 03:36 PM |
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The vast majority of economists disagree with you. |
phleshdef |
Feb-11-09 07:10 PM |
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The opinion of Paul Krugman comes with credentials, and I trust it over yours. |
Political Heretic |
Feb-11-09 08:34 PM |
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Fair enough. |
MercutioATC |
Feb-11-09 09:02 PM |
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The Stim package has been detected in space... |
damonm |
Feb-11-09 03:19 PM |
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heeheehee... |
ElboRuum |
Feb-11-09 03:25 PM |
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He is Moving at Jet (Mach) Speed...ZOOOMMM... |
HOLOS |
Feb-11-09 03:35 PM |
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don't tell the msm.... they are peddling the meme that he had to |
ejpoeta |
Feb-11-09 03:35 PM |
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also filled with great ironies |
grantcart |
Feb-11-09 03:40 PM |
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...and stapled their hides to Limbaugh and Hannity |
scheming daemons |
Feb-11-09 03:46 PM |
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An extra |
Cha |
Feb-11-09 07:38 PM |
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The Makeup of 65-35 is a big victory considering the senate package |
MadBadger |
Feb-11-09 03:52 PM |
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U2's lyric in Bullet The Blue Sky seems so quaint & antique these days "Suit and tie comes up to me |
bridgit |
Feb-11-09 03:53 PM |
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THIS PACKAGE IS A LIBERAL's DREAM |
Thrill |
Feb-11-09 04:09 PM |
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Damned right... and where are all those fools who insist Obama is a pandering centrist now? |
ClarkUSA |
Feb-11-09 04:12 PM |
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AND the 'Buy American' is still in there |
Thrill |
Feb-11-09 04:13 PM |
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He's keeping his liberal promises to the American manufacturing industry and the unions. |
ClarkUSA |
Feb-11-09 04:17 PM |
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Oh they're here, never fear. Nothing will change their minds, either. |
Hekate |
Feb-11-09 04:18 PM |
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True. They're cowardly assholes who only come out to create divisions or push their own delusions. |
ClarkUSA |
Feb-11-09 04:39 PM |
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Huge Victory, Agreed. |
sandnsea |
Feb-11-09 04:18 PM |
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That's what I thought at the Dem-led press conference with the 3 moderate Repubs... |
Hekate |
Feb-11-09 04:13 PM |
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We Still Have The Regular Spending And Appropriations Bills Too |
Beetwasher |
Feb-11-09 04:15 PM |
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We got a lot in education |
sandnsea |
Feb-11-09 04:19 PM |
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Krugman: The stimulus should have been at least 50 % larger |
johan helge |
Feb-11-09 04:19 PM |
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Hekate to Krugman: Chill. This is only the first bill. Check again in another 3 weeks. nt |
Hekate |
Feb-11-09 04:21 PM |
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ClarkUSA to Hekate... |
ClarkUSA |
Feb-11-09 04:43 PM |
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I'm sure he would of liked it bigger. But He actually wanted to get it passed |
Thrill |
Feb-11-09 04:34 PM |
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I Would Have Liked It Bigger Too, HOWEVER |
Beetwasher |
Feb-11-09 04:35 PM |
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Exactly. |
ClarkUSA |
Feb-11-09 04:44 PM |
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It cuts the taxes he said were stupid |
sandnsea |
Feb-11-09 04:44 PM |
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The Krugtards are good at snatching defeat from the jaws of political victory |
BeyondGeography |
Feb-11-09 05:34 PM |
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THEY CAN PASS OTHER BILLS FOR GOD'S SAKE! nt |
anonymous171 |
Feb-11-09 05:45 PM |
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and a major loser for the states |
depakid |
Feb-11-09 05:55 PM |
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The Congressional Repubs are standing in the way of aid to the states, & governors know it... |
Hekate |
Feb-11-09 06:01 PM |
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Problem is that the people who are going to be adversely affected don't know that |
depakid |
Feb-11-09 06:37 PM |
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Dem organizations are already running tv ads in Repub districts hit hard by the economy... |
Hekate |
Feb-11-09 06:43 PM |
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People thought they voted the Repubs OUT |
leftstreet |
Feb-11-09 06:43 PM |
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You can't fool all of the people all of the time, as Abe Lincoln once said. The more obstructionist |
Hekate |
Feb-11-09 10:04 PM |
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I Wish I Could Be More Happy About It |
Dinger |
Feb-12-09 10:51 AM |
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it is better than nothing and I just wish they would just vote on it. |
bdamomma |
Feb-12-09 10:52 AM |
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And only three Republicans will be able to take any credit for it |
marshall |
Feb-12-09 12:28 PM |
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