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43. Not even slightly. I think his expedient use of religion keeps having unintended consequences.
People look at the McClurkin and Warren incidents as ones of homophobia, but I look at them as yet more unintended consequences of sucking up to the danger of religion for personal gain. Obama thought and thinks that he can cleave off a huge slab of support by playing up to the religious, but he either doesn't realize or doesn't care about the dangerous bigotries within those groups.

Religion doesn't play fair. That's its point. It's better. Others are inferior. It's deeply, deeply anti-democratic and xenophobic by definition. There's window-dressing of coexistence, but the very soul of the major religions is one of insular superiority and dominance.

The darker implication of all this is that he'll jettison all sorts of people and groups in order to seek and/or maintain power. The question raised by that is this: where will the line be drawn? Who's really unscrewable in the tactical moment? The possible answers are rather depressing.

What does it matter if you gain the world but lose your soul? What does it matter if there's a "d" after your name if corporatism is to remain sacred? What does it matter that you dispel the myth that Democrats are lily-livers if you have to go into a stupid, fruitless, dangerous, expensive and addle-headed war like Afghanistan to do it?

He's charted a less rightward course than I thought, and it's good to see certain things like the labor moves, but there's plenty to be concerned (yes, grating assholes, the word was "concerned") about. All of us are expendable at some point, but it'd be nice to think we weren't all just a few twists and turns away from the chopping block.

Religion is the greatest danger, and he's blown it completely with that; we're endorsing and inviting theocracy like never before in our history. Non-heterosexuality just happens to be the current issue at odds with this true evil, and that's why he's drawing fire for it.

As far as I can tell, he may feel a bit weird about gays, but he doesn't dislike them, and had he not courted the blockheads of certainty, he'd probably be fine with the full enfranchisement that they deserve. The problem is paying the piper of the assholes of the supernatural.

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  -Do you believe that President Obama is a Homophobe? SidneyCarton  Feb-04-09 12:42 PM   #0 
  - is this a 'has he stopped beating his wife?' question...  islandmkl   Feb-04-09 12:43 PM   #1 
  - No, this is a "what do you think" question,  SidneyCarton   Feb-04-09 12:50 PM   #13 
  - Worse than that.  Teaser   Feb-04-09 12:44 PM   #2 
  - No. He seems pretty open minded. n/t  blueladybird   Feb-04-09 12:44 PM   #3 
  - I believe that his actions, pre-election, and since he's been in office,  MNDemNY   Feb-04-09 12:46 PM   #4 
  - I would agree with that  democrattotheend   Feb-04-09 12:53 PM   #16 
  - I did not call him, or insinuate that he is a homophobe.  MNDemNY   Feb-04-09 12:55 PM   #23 
     - I didn't say you did  democrattotheend   Feb-04-09 12:58 PM   #25 
        - Sorry, did not intend to snark at you!  MNDemNY   Feb-04-09 01:02 PM   #26 
  - I think that they indiciate that he has thus far been unwilling to take such a stance  Hippo_Tron   Feb-04-09 01:28 PM   #39 
  - No and comments to that effect should be considered violations of the rules IMHO.  grantcart   Feb-04-09 12:46 PM   #5 
  - Deleted sub-thread  Name removed   Feb-04-09 12:48 PM   #10 
  - Sieg-Hiel !!!!!  MNDemNY   Feb-04-09 12:50 PM   #14 
     - Deleted sub-thread  Name removed   Feb-04-09 01:04 PM   #27 
  - Maybe he just sees gays as politically expendable.  Runcible Spoon   Feb-04-09 12:46 PM   #6 
  - ..  MNDemNY   Feb-04-09 12:47 PM   #8 
  - ...  Runcible Spoon   Feb-04-09 12:55 PM   #22 
  - Agreed -- I stated upthread he's a homophobe enabler  LostinVA   Feb-04-09 01:08 PM   #30 
  - You can make that judgement after 15 days?  Dawgs   Feb-04-09 01:10 PM   #32 
     - Deleted sub-thread  Name removed   Feb-04-09 01:26 PM   #37 
  - If I didn't post you'd never know that I wonder where you even  yy4me   Feb-04-09 12:46 PM   #7 
  - In another thread there are several posters who are screaming this to the rafters  SidneyCarton   Feb-04-09 12:51 PM   #15 
  - No.  YOY   Feb-04-09 12:47 PM   #9 
  - I think that people can have varying degrees of homophobia  jobycom   Feb-04-09 12:48 PM   #11 
  - I would actually agree with you.  SidneyCarton   Feb-04-09 12:53 PM   #17 
  - In the interests of full disclosure...  SidneyCarton   Feb-04-09 12:48 PM   #12 
  - Would a homophobe have this on the official White House website?  Political Tiger   Feb-04-09 12:53 PM   #18 
  - Finally someone with an example!  SidneyCarton   Feb-04-09 12:54 PM   #19 
  - Deleted sub-thread  Name removed   Feb-04-09 12:54 PM   #20 
  - The problem I see is this  Stargazer09   Feb-04-09 01:26 PM   #38 
  - Nope. But...  riqster   Feb-04-09 12:55 PM   #21 
  - This is my view as well.  Starry Messenger   Feb-04-09 12:58 PM   #24 
  - I think he does soemtimes have a tin ear about this. And I have found out that I do, too, sometimes  DevonRex   Feb-04-09 01:39 PM   #42 
     - I'm really hoping that too.  Starry Messenger   Feb-04-09 01:52 PM   #45 
  - Deleted sub-thread  Name removed   Feb-04-09 01:08 PM   #29 
  - He is definitely a homophobe-enabler  LostinVA   Feb-04-09 01:07 PM   #28 
  - How would we know?  Dawgs   Feb-04-09 01:09 PM   #31 
  - Homophobe, NO - Unsympathetic to the cause HELL YES  Ioo   Feb-04-09 01:11 PM   #33 
  - And yet your comments in another thread on this forum would suggest otherwise  SidneyCarton   Feb-04-09 01:24 PM   #36 
  - Of course not. See his website. nt  DevonRex   Feb-04-09 01:12 PM   #34 
  - To suggest Obama is a "homophobe" is irresponsible, at best  NJmaverick   Feb-04-09 01:22 PM   #35 
  - Deleted sub-thread  Name removed   Feb-04-09 01:31 PM   #40 
  - No, he's an elected official  Hippo_Tron   Feb-04-09 01:33 PM   #41 
  - Not even slightly. I think his expedient use of religion keeps having unintended consequences.  PurityOfEssence   Feb-04-09 01:41 PM   #43 
  - As there have been few rational arguments and even fewer examples to back this up...  SidneyCarton   Feb-04-09 01:51 PM   #44 
  - What do you expect when you post disingenuous flamebait?  Runcible Spoon   Feb-04-09 01:54 PM   #46 
     - Deleted message  Name removed   Feb-04-09 01:56 PM   #47 
  - Locking at the request of the OP  wakemeupwhenitsover   Feb-04-09 01:56 PM   #48 
 

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