PurityOfEssence
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Wed Feb-04-09 01:41 PM
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| 43. Not even slightly. I think his expedient use of religion keeps having unintended consequences. |
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People look at the McClurkin and Warren incidents as ones of homophobia, but I look at them as yet more unintended consequences of sucking up to the danger of religion for personal gain. Obama thought and thinks that he can cleave off a huge slab of support by playing up to the religious, but he either doesn't realize or doesn't care about the dangerous bigotries within those groups.
Religion doesn't play fair. That's its point. It's better. Others are inferior. It's deeply, deeply anti-democratic and xenophobic by definition. There's window-dressing of coexistence, but the very soul of the major religions is one of insular superiority and dominance.
The darker implication of all this is that he'll jettison all sorts of people and groups in order to seek and/or maintain power. The question raised by that is this: where will the line be drawn? Who's really unscrewable in the tactical moment? The possible answers are rather depressing.
What does it matter if you gain the world but lose your soul? What does it matter if there's a "d" after your name if corporatism is to remain sacred? What does it matter that you dispel the myth that Democrats are lily-livers if you have to go into a stupid, fruitless, dangerous, expensive and addle-headed war like Afghanistan to do it?
He's charted a less rightward course than I thought, and it's good to see certain things like the labor moves, but there's plenty to be concerned (yes, grating assholes, the word was "concerned") about. All of us are expendable at some point, but it'd be nice to think we weren't all just a few twists and turns away from the chopping block.
Religion is the greatest danger, and he's blown it completely with that; we're endorsing and inviting theocracy like never before in our history. Non-heterosexuality just happens to be the current issue at odds with this true evil, and that's why he's drawing fire for it.
As far as I can tell, he may feel a bit weird about gays, but he doesn't dislike them, and had he not courted the blockheads of certainty, he'd probably be fine with the full enfranchisement that they deserve. The problem is paying the piper of the assholes of the supernatural.
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| -Do you believe that President Obama is a Homophobe? |
SidneyCarton |
Feb-04-09 12:42 PM |
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is this a 'has he stopped beating his wife?' question... |
islandmkl |
Feb-04-09 12:43 PM |
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No, this is a "what do you think" question, |
SidneyCarton |
Feb-04-09 12:50 PM |
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Worse than that. |
Teaser |
Feb-04-09 12:44 PM |
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No. He seems pretty open minded. n/t |
blueladybird |
Feb-04-09 12:44 PM |
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I believe that his actions, pre-election, and since he's been in office, |
MNDemNY |
Feb-04-09 12:46 PM |
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I would agree with that |
democrattotheend |
Feb-04-09 12:53 PM |
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I did not call him, or insinuate that he is a homophobe. |
MNDemNY |
Feb-04-09 12:55 PM |
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I didn't say you did |
democrattotheend |
Feb-04-09 12:58 PM |
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Sorry, did not intend to snark at you! |
MNDemNY |
Feb-04-09 01:02 PM |
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I think that they indiciate that he has thus far been unwilling to take such a stance |
Hippo_Tron |
Feb-04-09 01:28 PM |
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No and comments to that effect should be considered violations of the rules IMHO. |
grantcart |
Feb-04-09 12:46 PM |
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Feb-04-09 12:48 PM |
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Sieg-Hiel !!!!! |
MNDemNY |
Feb-04-09 12:50 PM |
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Feb-04-09 01:04 PM |
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Maybe he just sees gays as politically expendable. |
Runcible Spoon |
Feb-04-09 12:46 PM |
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.. |
MNDemNY |
Feb-04-09 12:47 PM |
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... |
Runcible Spoon |
Feb-04-09 12:55 PM |
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Agreed -- I stated upthread he's a homophobe enabler |
LostinVA |
Feb-04-09 01:08 PM |
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You can make that judgement after 15 days? |
Dawgs |
Feb-04-09 01:10 PM |
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Feb-04-09 01:26 PM |
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If I didn't post you'd never know that I wonder where you even |
yy4me |
Feb-04-09 12:46 PM |
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In another thread there are several posters who are screaming this to the rafters |
SidneyCarton |
Feb-04-09 12:51 PM |
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No. |
YOY |
Feb-04-09 12:47 PM |
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I think that people can have varying degrees of homophobia |
jobycom |
Feb-04-09 12:48 PM |
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I would actually agree with you. |
SidneyCarton |
Feb-04-09 12:53 PM |
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In the interests of full disclosure... |
SidneyCarton |
Feb-04-09 12:48 PM |
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Would a homophobe have this on the official White House website? |
Political Tiger |
Feb-04-09 12:53 PM |
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Finally someone with an example! |
SidneyCarton |
Feb-04-09 12:54 PM |
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Feb-04-09 12:54 PM |
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The problem I see is this |
Stargazer09 |
Feb-04-09 01:26 PM |
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Nope. But... |
riqster |
Feb-04-09 12:55 PM |
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This is my view as well. |
Starry Messenger |
Feb-04-09 12:58 PM |
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I think he does soemtimes have a tin ear about this. And I have found out that I do, too, sometimes |
DevonRex |
Feb-04-09 01:39 PM |
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I'm really hoping that too. |
Starry Messenger |
Feb-04-09 01:52 PM |
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Feb-04-09 01:08 PM |
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He is definitely a homophobe-enabler |
LostinVA |
Feb-04-09 01:07 PM |
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How would we know? |
Dawgs |
Feb-04-09 01:09 PM |
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Homophobe, NO - Unsympathetic to the cause HELL YES |
Ioo |
Feb-04-09 01:11 PM |
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And yet your comments in another thread on this forum would suggest otherwise |
SidneyCarton |
Feb-04-09 01:24 PM |
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Of course not. See his website. nt |
DevonRex |
Feb-04-09 01:12 PM |
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To suggest Obama is a "homophobe" is irresponsible, at best |
NJmaverick |
Feb-04-09 01:22 PM |
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Feb-04-09 01:31 PM |
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No, he's an elected official |
Hippo_Tron |
Feb-04-09 01:33 PM |
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Not even slightly. I think his expedient use of religion keeps having unintended consequences. |
PurityOfEssence |
Feb-04-09 01:41 PM |
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As there have been few rational arguments and even fewer examples to back this up... |
SidneyCarton |
Feb-04-09 01:51 PM |
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What do you expect when you post disingenuous flamebait? |
Runcible Spoon |
Feb-04-09 01:54 PM |
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Feb-04-09 01:56 PM |
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Locking at the request of the OP |
wakemeupwhenitsover |
Feb-04-09 01:56 PM |
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