Reply #30: Wow, you are absolutely wrong on every account in this post.

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Do some more research. But first, dump the "historians believe" nonsense when discussing whether or not Jesus existed.

You can start here: http://www.rationalrevolution.net/articles/jesus_myth_history.htm#10
to read how "All of the non-Christian references to Jesus can be shown to have either been introduced later by Christian scribes or were originally based on Christian claims."

This article dismantles the Josephus, Tacitus and Pliny "historical witness for Jesus existence" argument in depth.

There are no contemporaneous writings that mention Jesus. There are no writings whatsoever from Jesus' 12 disciples, probably because none of them could write (and not that they existed, either).

The earliest Gospel - Mark - was written no earlier than 65CE and is the type of allegorical fiction that was popular and common at the time. Matthew and Luke were based on Mark and attempt - unsuccessfully - to add a veneer of historical verisimilitude to the fiction.

Paul's writings date before even Mark was written. Paul mentions not a single event from Jesus' life (as depicted in the Gospels) and treats Jesus as a heaven-bound being who is seen not in the flesh, but exclusively in visions. That's because he didn't have access to the fiction that Mark wrote as it didn't exist when Paul's epistles were penned...and because Paul was in many senses a gnostic.

You've got to do better than this. There is an extremely interesting and compelling story here if one is able to dump the saccharine and fanciful story of the godmen and to view the Jesus fiction as part of a continuum of myth that long predates his supposed advent (see here: http://www.pocm.info/getting_started_pocm.html).