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Vattel

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Sun Feb-01-09 08:46 AM
Response to Reply #41

64. You need to be more careful

You falsely claim to be quoting a respected scholar (Ahmed Rashid) when in fact you are quoting a loony political cartoonist (Ted Rall). You falsely say that: "And examine the words of Ahmed Rashid in his Yale University study named “Taliban”, “the State Department and Pakistan’s Inter-Services Intelligence agency agreed to funnel arms and funding to the Taliban in their war against the ethnically Tajik Northern Alliance. As recently as 1999, US taxpayers paid the entire annual salary of every single Taliban government official.”

I suspect that your main source is Rall. Better to rely on Rashid.

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-What favorite Taliban policy do you agree with most?	zulchzulu	Jan-31-09 05:51 PM	#0
- Other: I like to kill brown people.	Warren Stupidity	Jan-31-09 05:57 PM	#1
- Even though I don't like the poll	cali	Jan-31-09 06:51 PM	#15
- Ok fine: I like to kill foreigners, preferrably non-christian,	Warren Stupidity	Feb-01-09 07:35 AM	#40
- You'll do well with them!!!	cliffordu	Feb-01-09 10:40 AM	#77
- Tell me what you like about the Taliban with concise examples	zulchzulu	Feb-02-09 08:04 AM	#104
- You might be waiting a long, long while for an answer. (nt)	Nicholas D Wolfwood	Feb-02-09 11:13 AM	#113
- "Brown people" are the victims. nt	Deep13	Feb-02-09 08:37 AM	#108
- All of the above, of course.	Jackpine Radical	Jan-31-09 05:59 PM	#2
- I voted for the reading one, since that's the one most similar to Amerrica.	BlooInBloo	Jan-31-09 06:04 PM	#3
- This was a toughie	rpannier	Jan-31-09 06:12 PM	#4
- Oh here we go again.	Runcible Spoon	Jan-31-09 06:15 PM	#5
- Aren't the Taliban basically the particular tribal warlords that the Saudis backed?	Hippo_Tron	Jan-31-09 06:23 PM	#7
- yes and no.	Runcible Spoon	Jan-31-09 06:27 PM	#8
- Why do you hate women?	Vattel	Jan-31-09 06:46 PM	#12
- Exactly. Feminist neoconservatives of the world, unite!	LittleBlue	Jan-31-09 07:35 PM	#20
- Funny you mention Sri Lanka...	zulchzulu	Feb-01-09 10:16 PM	#93
- well where is your rabid post demanding we invade and bomb the fuck out of those countries?	Runcible Spoon	Feb-02-09 09:13 PM	#123
- It's funny how some people read into their own ignorant diatribes	zulchzulu	Feb-02-09 09:54 PM	#131
- Wow, that's the biggest straw man of the week.	Runcible Spoon	Feb-03-09 10:57 AM	#137
- He's been pulling that shit all thread. Rush would be proud.	Forkboy	Feb-03-09 12:57 PM	#140
- It was a tough choice, even though I ended up voting "None" because burkas are just damn sexy!	4lbs	Jan-31-09 06:15 PM	#6
- What's needed is another Anbar Awakening.	backscatter712	Jan-31-09 06:34 PM	#9
- Is there an "Afghan equivalent to these groups?"	Vattel	Jan-31-09 06:42 PM	#11
- the problem with that is that the alternative to the Taliban is not much better	Runcible Spoon	Jan-31-09 06:47 PM	#13
- If women do not have the right to use all-women public bath	Vattel	Jan-31-09 06:40 PM	#10
- and how do you flog someone with a stone?	Vattel	Jan-31-09 06:49 PM	#14
- What are penned sheep in their homes like?	Vattel	Jan-31-09 06:54 PM	#16
- They are pretty b-a-a-a-a-a-a-a-d. n/t	greguganus	Jan-31-09 07:17 PM	#18
- Please, this is a serious poll	Vattel	Feb-01-09 07:53 AM	#49
- May I point out that women's lot have not improved under Karzai	IndianaGreen	Jan-31-09 06:57 PM	#17
- Or under the Northern Alliance or any of the other Puppets we use.	bahrbearian	Feb-01-09 11:37 AM	#81
- The question is how	quaker bill	Jan-31-09 07:21 PM	#19
- Well said.	H2O Man	Jan-31-09 07:43 PM	#21
- The difference is that historically other powers tried to conquer Afghanistan	Hippo_Tron	Feb-01-09 03:41 AM	#25
- That prompts two questions:	Donald Ian Rankin	Feb-01-09 08:01 AM	#56
- Third way?? Wait a minute, I think you have something there.....	Sebastian Doyle	Feb-01-09 12:26 PM	#84
- This poll is kind of unfair.	Danger Mouse	Jan-31-09 07:50 PM	#22
- Why don't you poll the 10 favorite Saddam Hussein policies and pick a date to invade?	rug	Jan-31-09 08:03 PM	#23
- Saddam treated women far better than our "friends" in Saudi Arabia do	Hippo_Tron	Feb-01-09 03:51 AM	#26
- That's right. Maybe zulch will next post the ten reasons we should attack Saudi Arabia.	rug	Feb-01-09 05:52 AM	#28
- Forced marriages are awesome.	MrSlayer	Jan-31-09 08:04 PM	#24
- I voted all the above since the I love to murder brown people wasn't listed as a choice.	dcindian	Feb-01-09 05:10 AM	#27
- Sounds a lot like Saudi Arabia to me	eridani	Feb-01-09 06:32 AM	#29
- The Taliban sheltered al-Qaeda and illegally allowed bin Laden	geek tragedy	Feb-01-09 06:35 AM	#30
- They were our best buddies at one time before they requested	mmonk	Feb-01-09 07:13 AM	#32
- they were our enemy after they refused to extradite bin laden	geek tragedy	Feb-01-09 07:18 AM	#33
- That's your view. While it added to a growing division, it wasn't a stand alone.	mmonk	Feb-01-09 07:23 AM	#35
- We insisted on extradition back in 1998.	geek tragedy	Feb-01-09 07:26 AM	#37
- not a formal request for extradition	Warren Stupidity	Feb-01-09 07:40 AM	#42
- Pretty obvious? Not at all.	geek tragedy	Feb-01-09 07:44 AM	#45
- A lot of countries will not extradite to the usa, they enemies too? n/t	MyNameGoesHere	Feb-01-09 08:11 AM	#58
- If they provide a base for al-Qaeda, yes.	geek tragedy	Feb-01-09 08:17 AM	#59
- The UK has decided not to gp by extradiction threaties by the US.	mmonk	Feb-02-09 07:33 AM	#101
- And Germany, and the city of Hamburg, sheltered the 9-11 hijackers	IndianaGreen	Feb-01-09 11:46 AM	#82
- Where were you when we supported the Taliban government?	mmonk	Feb-01-09 07:03 AM	#31
- What's your source on that claim?	geek tragedy	Feb-01-09 07:19 AM	#34
- Rep. Dana Rohrabacher	mmonk	Feb-01-09 07:25 AM	#36
- LMAO. He's a world-class wingnut.	geek tragedy	Feb-01-09 07:29 AM	#39
- I'm sorry. It wasn't him though he didn't like it. This is from a piece I've been working on	mmonk	Feb-01-09 07:36 AM	#41
- You're still relying on Rohrabacher's bullshit.	geek tragedy	Feb-01-09 07:42 AM	#43
- Ahmed Rashid. I relied on his work in that case.	mmonk	Feb-01-09 07:48 AM	#47
- He's QUOTING Rohrabacher. n/t	geek tragedy	Feb-01-09 07:53 AM	#50
- Here is the part:	mmonk	Feb-01-09 07:56 AM	#53
- You need to be more careful	Vattel	Feb-01-09 08:46 AM	#64
- True and thanks for the notation.	mmonk	Feb-01-09 09:09 AM	#68
- Note: The inference was Ahmed's that it came from Rashid's "Taliban"	mmonk	Feb-01-09 10:52 AM	#78
- You mean "Rall's," not "Ahmed's," right?	Vattel	Feb-01-09 12:02 PM	#83
- I pulled it from Nafeez Ahmed's book whereby there was no mention	mmonk	Feb-02-09 06:57 AM	#97
- Oh I see, we're dealing with multiple Ahmeds	Vattel	Feb-02-09 10:45 AM	#112
- Yep, the two Ahmeds was where the confusion was.	mmonk	Feb-02-09 02:21 PM	#118
- The Bush Admin gave the Taleban $43 Million in August of '01	martymar64	Feb-02-09 06:19 PM	#121
- er, now the U.S. did not pay the salaries of the Taliban officials	cali	Feb-01-09 07:28 AM	#38
- Maybe you should wait for my piece.	mmonk	Feb-01-09 07:43 AM	#44
- If you're relying on testimony from Dana Rohrabacher	geek tragedy	Feb-01-09 07:44 AM	#46
- Maybe before judging, you should wait and see how much what	mmonk	Feb-01-09 07:53 AM	#48
- Since there is no credible source for your claim,	geek tragedy	Feb-01-09 07:54 AM	#51
- There are, however, lots of credible sources for	cali	Feb-01-09 07:55 AM	#52
- Not after the embassy bombings we didn't. n/t	geek tragedy	Feb-01-09 07:59 AM	#54
- I believe you are incorrect that all sourcing, negotiation and funding stopped.	mmonk	Feb-01-09 08:43 AM	#63
- The money was distributed through the United Nations	geek tragedy	Feb-01-09 11:06 AM	#79
- These agreements were done in private preceeding determination	mmonk	Feb-01-09 11:27 AM	#80
- You're something else.	mmonk	Feb-01-09 08:00 AM	#55
- You're making an extraordinary claim- Bill Clinton paid	geek tragedy	Feb-01-09 08:04 AM	#57
- Al Queda and the Taliban are not the same entities.	mmonk	Feb-01-09 08:18 AM	#60
- The Taliban became AQ's partners in crime	geek tragedy	Feb-01-09 08:21 AM	#61
- It is one of the reasons.	mmonk	Feb-01-09 08:31 AM	#62
- A qualifier to my statement. Not all funding, just direct funding	mmonk	Feb-01-09 08:50 AM	#65
- self-delete	Vattel	Feb-01-09 09:09 AM	#67
- Nice try but nope, not even close.	mmonk	Feb-01-09 10:37 AM	#75
- Oh no! You found out I secretly support the Taliban!	zulchzulu	Feb-01-09 09:13 AM	#69
- I asked where were you when the US did. I did not say you supported them, support them,	mmonk	Feb-01-09 09:47 AM	#70
- So what the hell are you implying?	zulchzulu	Feb-01-09 09:53 AM	#72
- That is good. I'm glad you were active. One can not just infer that.	mmonk	Feb-01-09 09:55 AM	#73
- There is some	H2O Man	Feb-01-09 01:09 PM	#85
- You are correct.	mmonk	Feb-02-09 07:30 AM	#100
- so then you agree we created the problem?	iamthebandfanman	Feb-02-09 09:15 PM	#124
- I chose the bath house deal. Imagine just how many women you could pick up...	SKKY	Feb-01-09 08:53 AM	#66
- Excellent post. You point out the evil nature of that religious wacko tribe who LOVES Al Qaeda.	Honeycombe8	Feb-01-09 09:52 AM	#71
- Yes, they are a sick bunch. The Taliban used al Queda to help	mmonk	Feb-01-09 10:02 AM	#74
- Why, yours of course!	depakid	Feb-01-09 10:40 AM	#76
- The Taliban? EWWW!	Touchdown	Feb-01-09 01:46 PM	#86
- 1984. Part 1.Chapter 1.Two-minute Hate Session	Prometheus Bound	Feb-01-09 07:03 PM	#87
- I love strawidiot polls!	LynnTheDem	Feb-01-09 08:54 PM	#88
- Which policy do you support the most?	Hanse	Feb-01-09 10:04 PM	#89
- Ooohhh... anger! Alcoholic much?	zulchzulu	Feb-01-09 10:07 PM	#90
- Chickenhawk much?	Hanse	Feb-01-09 10:11 PM	#91
- So support the Taliban... you probably love them	zulchzulu	Feb-01-09 10:15 PM	#92
- Hey now...	Hanse	Feb-01-09 10:19 PM	#94
- yah, just their own people..not US troops	iamthebandfanman	Feb-02-09 09:27 PM	#126
- Nice poll, Lou Dobbs.	Forkboy	Feb-02-09 12:15 AM	#95
- Oh wow! Another fan of people who throw acid on women's faces and make them sex slaves	zulchzulu	Feb-02-09 08:13 AM	#105
- Try not to be so stupid that you make 4 year olds feel good about themselves.	Forkboy	Feb-02-09 02:56 PM	#119
- I think people who support or appease asshats like the Taliban are stupid	zulchzulu	Feb-02-09 09:51 PM	#129
- I think people who make shit up sound like Ann Coulter.	Forkboy	Feb-03-09 12:58 PM	#141
- Why aren't you in Afghanistan?	EFerrari	Feb-02-09 02:42 AM	#96
- Why aren't you?	zulchzulu	Feb-02-09 08:45 AM	#110
- Chickenhawk. n/t	superduperfarleft	Feb-02-09 01:38 PM	#115
- Utopian Fantastical Droid n/t	zulchzulu	Feb-02-09 08:36 PM	#122
- You don't have proof they do any of those things, just sayin.	harun	Feb-02-09 07:13 AM	#98
- I guess Amnesty International, Human Rights Watch and the UN are makin' shit up, right?	zulchzulu	Feb-02-09 08:18 AM	#106
- Send 200,000 troops into the mountainous region	Life Long Dem	Feb-02-09 07:27 AM	#99
- I would assume that those who disagree with this poll are against Amnesty International too	zulchzulu	Feb-02-09 07:55 AM	#102
- No, just self-righteous asses.	Forkboy	Feb-02-09 02:58 PM	#120
- Tell us why Amnesty International are "self-righteous asses"...	zulchzulu	Feb-02-09 10:03 PM	#133
- I was talking about you.	Forkboy	Feb-03-09 12:56 PM	#139
- Hey naysayers! I guess you are against Human Rights Watch too, right?	zulchzulu	Feb-02-09 08:02 AM	#103
- What other of the world's oppressive regimes should the US police?	tekisui	Feb-02-09 08:29 AM	#107
- We are in Afghanistan now with other countries...	zulchzulu	Feb-02-09 09:33 AM	#111
- If the oppression was based on race rather than gender, would this still be hate-mongering?"	Deep13	Feb-02-09 08:40 AM	#109
- So when are you enlisting?	superduperfarleft	Feb-02-09 01:33 PM	#114
- So when are you going to wake up?	zulchzulu	Feb-02-09 09:52 PM	#130
- "Worth fighting"?	Orsino	Feb-02-09 02:16 PM	#116
- I guess we should stick our heads in the sand, become Utopian Isolationist Pacifists and act like...	zulchzulu	Feb-02-09 09:57 PM	#132
- Those UIP types would never have promoted the Saudi project of funding the Taliban	eridani	Feb-03-09 05:11 AM	#135
- Not yet. You still haven't told me what "worth fighting" means.	Orsino	Feb-03-09 10:19 AM	#136
- there has to be some other option than a military one	Blue_Tires	Feb-02-09 02:21 PM	#117
- It seems most people have been ignoring what Amnesty International has been saying for years	zulchzulu	Feb-02-09 09:49 PM	#128
- then why half-ass it? let's go to the big leagues and invade china	Blue_Tires	Feb-02-09 10:45 PM	#134
- Serious answer: they tried to eradicate heroin production.	mwooldri	Feb-02-09 09:23 PM	#125
- yup shared self righteous morality	iamthebandfanman	Feb-02-09 09:34 PM	#127
- So, do you support invading North Korea and Saudi Arabia? How about Turkmenistan?	PVnRT	Feb-03-09 12:12 PM	#138
- The OP clearly put all of 3 seconds thought into his OP.	Forkboy	Feb-03-09 01:00 PM	#142
- Reading through this train wreck, it appears so	PVnRT	Feb-03-09 01:42 PM	#143
- I think we are looking at some	Every Man A King	Feb-03-09 01:46 PM	#144

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