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116. Here's the email I wrote to Ms. Angie Drobnic Holan

Dear Angie Drobnic Holan,

In reference to your entry on Politifact, referencing "broken Promise", please note the following post dated 1/25/09. / which I posted in full below.

As a woman, I am quite shocked that you had not heard of this particular piece of legislation which was originally named, "Lilly Ledbetter Fair Pay Act of 2007".

President Obama stated why he wanted to post laws prior to him signing such for public you linked to his reasoning in your own blog entry...."To reduce bills rushed through Congress and to the president before the public has the opportunity to review them, Obama "will not sign any non-emergency bill without giving the American public an opportunity to review and comment on the White House website for five days."

In fact, it is quite ironic that as a women you were not familiar enough with this OVERDUE legislation which took the slow road to congress, and was not rushed in the least. In addition, please understand that the purpose of this bill was to reverse a judgment, not make a new law, and indeed, it was an emergency for all women in this country!

To call this a broken promise based on a technicality of no consequences demonstrates to me that I will be discounting politifact website as often as possible, and using this as my example as to why it is not to be taken seriously. If there is no reasonability to accompany accountability, then the tracking by this website of Obama's promises has been made a practical joke up before it ever really got started.

Women's story of pay inequity and discrimination is no joke, but the entry that you had the temerity to post was.


( text of post dated 1/25/09)
For incoming White House staff, the past few days have been a singularly thrilling -- and learning -- experience. Wide-eyed staffers roam the halls of the Eisenhower Executive Office Building with thick stacks of HR paperwork in hand, new phone numbers are being memorized -- and the line for coffee and club sandwiches is starting to grow as word spreads about the White House Mess. It's safe to say that working at the White House isn't something anyone can prepare for, but the career staff continue to work tirelessly to make the first few days as smooth as possible.

The new media team is coming online as well and our first priority is digging into this new website: improving some of the basic press office functions (like the timely posting of press releases, executive orders, etc.), developing content from other parts of the Administration to share with you and mapping out a plan for technology development. Thanks to heroic supporting roles by the Office of Administration's web and IT team (career government employees who span administrations), we were able to launch the new website. Now we begin the task of moving it forward.

Congress isn't waiting for the dust to settle though -- and neither is the President. Next week the Lilly Ledbetter Fair Pay Act is due to be passed by Congress and sent to the President. The language within the Senate's version (S.181 ) is likely to be the version that arrives on the President's desk for signature, and includes this summary:

A bill to amend title VII of the Civil Rights Act of 1964 and the Age Discrimination in Employment Act of 1967, and to modify the operation of the Americans with Disabilities Act of 1990 and the Rehabilitation Act of 1973, to clarify that a discriminatory compensation decision or other practice that is unlawful under such Acts occurs each time compensation is paid pursuant to the discriminatory compensation decision or other practice, and for other purposes.

The Lilly Ledbetter Fair Pay Act will restore the law to where it was before the Supreme Court's decision in Ledbetter v. Goodyear Tire & Rubber Co. Justice Ginsberg's dissent summarizes the facts of Ledbetter's complaint:

Lilly Ledbetter was a supervisor at Goodyear Tire and Rubbers plant in Gadsden, Alabama, from 1979 until her retirement in 1998. For most of those years, she worked as an area manager, a position largely occupied by men. Initially, Ledbetters salary was in line with the salaries of men performing substantially similar work. Over time, however, her pay slipped in comparison to the pay of male area managers with equal or less seniority. By the end of 1997, Ledbetter was the only woman working as an area manager and the pay discrepancy between Ledbetter and her 15 male counterparts was stark: Ledbetter was paid $3,727 per month; the lowest paid male area manager received $4,286 per month, the highest paid, $5,236.

The Court ruled that employees subject to pay discrimination like Lilly Ledbetter must file a claim within 180 days of the employer's original decision to pay them less -- even if the employee continued to receive reduced paychecks and even if the employee did not discover the discriminatory reduction in pay until much later (check out Justice Alito's arguments in the Court's opinion). Restoring these rules means that complaints can be filed 180 days after any discriminatory paycheck.

President Obama has long championed this bill and Lilly Ledbetter's cause, and by signing it into law, he will ensure that women like Ms. Ledbetter and other victims of pay discrimination can effectively challenge unequal pay.

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  -First broken promise Christine Babineau  Jan-29-09 10:26 PM   #0 
  - Do you agree with this article, that he's committed some sort of grave sin?  Sarah Ibarruri   Jan-29-09 10:29 PM   #1 
  - On what basis do you claim that the article thinks the broken promise is "grave"?  Christine Babineau   Jan-29-09 10:43 PM   #26 
  - actually, he promised to overturn the Ledbetter Supreme Court decision  CreekDog   Jan-29-09 11:30 PM   # 
     - Nobody is contradicting that  Christine Babineau   Jan-29-09 11:46 PM   #80 
        - Okay, I said you win, now what?  CreekDog   Jan-29-09 11:51 PM   #84 
           - That's it  Christine Babineau   Jan-29-09 11:56 PM   #88 
              - so you came here to a Democratic board to document Obama's first broken promise?  CreekDog   Jan-29-09 11:59 PM   #92 
                 - I'm sorry, I didn't know that Democrats have to pretend the President breaks 0% of his promises  Christine Babineau   Jan-30-09 12:16 AM   #101 
                    - You can be concerned next month  PBS Poll-435   Jan-30-09 12:16 AM   #103 
                    - i hope i'm wrong  CreekDog   Jan-30-09 12:22 AM   #106 
                    - BWHAAAAHAHAHAHAAAAA!!!!  Dr_eldritch   Jan-30-09 01:12 AM   #118 
  - I won't argue with that. n/t  Life Long Dem   Jan-30-09 12:33 AM   #111 
  - BWHAHAHAHAHAHA!!!!!!!  TTUBatfan2008   Jan-29-09 10:29 PM   #2 
  - Do you know the legislative history of the Ledbetter bill?  texastoast   Jan-29-09 10:29 PM   #3 
  - Major  Cha   Jan-29-09 10:31 PM   #5 
  - That is absolutely irrelevant to the question of whether or not the promise was broken  Christine Babineau   Jan-29-09 11:27 PM   #61 
     - can you tell me why you are here?  CreekDog   Jan-29-09 11:34 PM   #66 
  - Get over it  Renew Deal   Jan-29-09 10:30 PM   #4 
  - What would there be to contest about equality in pay?  REDSTATELIBERAL   Jan-29-09 10:33 PM   #6 
  - The promise did not refer to "laws about which there might be contest"  Christine Babineau   Jan-29-09 11:00 PM   #40 
     - This is a previous bill that Bush vetoed and pissed of 1/2 the nation.  glowing   Jan-29-09 11:10 PM   #48 
  - I'm not sure that the WH website is capable of this yet.  Barack_America   Jan-29-09 10:33 PM   #7 
  - Good lookin' out! LMAO!  Fire1   Jan-30-09 11:17 AM   #175 
  - I think it was an emergency bill.  tabatha   Jan-29-09 10:33 PM   #8 
  - I don't know  Still Sensible   Jan-29-09 10:34 PM   #9 
  - I can't believe that anyone thinks that "comment" on treating everyone EQUALLY is somehow required.  MADem   Jan-29-09 10:34 PM   #10 
  - the only thing to comment about would be the date range on it  Muttocracy   Jan-29-09 10:37 PM   #19 
  - concern noted. Swiftly acting on measures that his supporters want in office is certainly not  Divine Discontent   Jan-29-09 10:34 PM   #11 
  - Good!  BattyDem   Jan-29-09 10:34 PM   #12 
  - Extremely well said.  Solomon   Jan-29-09 10:51 PM   #35 
  - Also  malletgirl02   Jan-30-09 04:32 AM   #135 
  - But the Ledbetter Bill is a no brainer  proud2Blib   Jan-29-09 10:35 PM   #13 
  - No-brainers were not an exception  Christine Babineau   Jan-29-09 10:58 PM   #38 
     - Um do you know the history of this legislation?  proud2Blib   Jan-29-09 11:21 PM   #56 
     - Civil right violations are emergencies for most liberals, so no promise broken. nt  Holloween   Jan-30-09 03:41 AM   #129 
     - Who determines what's an emergency and what's not?  AyanEva   Jan-30-09 10:25 AM   #153 
  - I saw this BS on Politico also. Its so pathetic, its laughable  Thrill   Jan-29-09 10:35 PM   #14 
  - You so funny.  asdjrocky   Jan-29-09 10:35 PM   #15 
  - Happy 14th post!  Mayberry Machiavelli   Jan-29-09 10:35 PM   #16 
  - i KNEW it! Betrayal!  BlooInBloo   Jan-29-09 10:36 PM   #17 
  - OMG!  FrenchieCat   Jan-29-09 10:36 PM   #18 
  - Frenchie, I adore your Joe Biden gif. I hope to see more of it.  Hekate   Jan-29-09 10:54 PM   #37 
  - IMPEACH HIM!!!!1!  flvegan   Jan-29-09 10:37 PM   #20 
  - I've always enjoyed your posts.  graywarrior   Jan-29-09 10:37 PM   #21 
  - .....  cricket08   Jan-30-09 10:42 AM   #162 
  - Right.  PylesMalfunction   Jan-29-09 10:37 PM   #22 
  - Is this an impeachable offense?  FLyellowdog   Jan-29-09 10:41 PM   #23 
  - Nobody said it's an impeachable offense  Christine Babineau   Jan-29-09 10:46 PM   #31 
     - It's not an impeachable offense but this post certainly is.  Solomon   Jan-29-09 11:27 PM   #60 
  - OMG, impeach him now....Bring on SARAH PALIN!!11!!!11!!  NYC_SKP   Jan-29-09 10:41 PM   #24 
  - I lol'd at the pic.  BlooInBloo   Jan-29-09 10:44 PM   #28 
  - For old times sake...  PBS Poll-435   Jan-29-09 11:33 PM   #65 
  - We really Blew it!  NYC_SKP   Jan-30-09 10:13 AM   #151 
  - PERFECT pic reply to this OP. Thanks. :)  DevonRex   Jan-30-09 11:06 AM   #173 
  - Psssssst  Baltoman991   Jan-29-09 10:43 PM   #25 
  - Geez, Louise. Yeah, that's fatal alright.  Waiting For Everyman   Jan-29-09 10:44 PM   #27 
  - No, I think she actually beats puppies....with kittens.  FLyellowdog   Jan-29-09 11:13 PM   #51 
  - Yeah, I want the fire department  Malidictus Maximus   Jan-29-09 10:45 PM   #29 
  - That's just pure bullshit.  Danger Mouse   Jan-29-09 10:46 PM   #30 
  - Nothing less than ABSOLUTE perfection!  whoneedstickets   Jan-29-09 10:47 PM   #32 
  - Good God Almighty, let's smack the man down for this! (shakes head) Your great concern is duly noted  Hekate   Jan-29-09 10:47 PM   #33 
  - I have a better idea: Let's ask him to keep his promise  Christine Babineau   Jan-29-09 11:01 PM   #42 
     - Why not admit you're being silly and pick another issue to criticize President Obama about?  Hekate   Jan-29-09 11:05 PM   #44 
     - Shoot the bigger messenger: The independent, award-winning,  Christine Babineau   Jan-29-09 11:06 PM   #45 
     - Heres a good  Baltoman991   Jan-30-09 12:09 AM   #96 
     - I had no idea he made this promise  Mojorabbit   Jan-30-09 12:16 AM   #102 
     - He has yet to brake a promise. nt  Holloween   Jan-30-09 03:43 AM   #130 
  - Why do you hate America? n/t  firedupdem   Jan-29-09 10:48 PM   #34 
  - Impeach the bastard now.  Occam Bandage   Jan-29-09 10:52 PM   #36 
  - I KNEW he was a neo-con stooge.  MrSlayer   Jan-29-09 10:59 PM   #39 
  - You've been a member for 24 hours, and you're quoting DU posts from 5 months ago...  snowbear   Jan-29-09 11:01 PM   #41 
  - It's called googling  Christine Babineau   Jan-29-09 11:04 PM   #43 
     - Jeezuz you're friendly Ms. Babineau.  snowbear   Jan-29-09 11:09 PM   #46 
     - Have you thought about using your time to volunteer helping people?  FLyellowdog   Jan-29-09 11:09 PM   #47 
        - A lot of time?  Christine Babineau   Jan-29-09 11:17 PM   #54 
           - so you came here just to post that  CreekDog   Jan-29-09 11:41 PM   #74 
  - Nonsense. This bill was attempted under Bush, and there is plenty of info about it already n/t  eridani   Jan-29-09 11:11 PM   #49 
  - Are you with Rush or are you with Obama?  Barack_America   Jan-29-09 11:12 PM   #50 
  - This bill had been gathering dust on a shelf for quite some time. n/t  AtomicKitten   Jan-29-09 11:14 PM   #52 
  - And?  Christine Babineau   Jan-29-09 11:15 PM   #53 
     - And if you weren't aware of its ramifications yet, you weren't  Ikonoklast   Jan-29-09 11:20 PM   #55 
     - The discussion of wage parity is done and it's past time to act.  AtomicKitten   Jan-29-09 11:23 PM   #59 
  - you can just call him rather than posting it here  Rosa Luxemburg   Jan-29-09 11:23 PM   #57 
  - wasn't it available on the House and Senate websites? nt  CreekDog   Jan-29-09 11:23 PM   #58 
  - The promise was to allow us to "review and comment" these pieces in the "White House webste"  Christine Babineau   Jan-29-09 11:32 PM   #64 
     - Again, NOW WHAT  CreekDog   Jan-29-09 11:52 PM   #86 
  - Are you still here?  asdjrocky   Jan-29-09 11:30 PM   #62 
  - are you telling me you came here and joined up just to tell us this?  CreekDog   Jan-29-09 11:31 PM   #63 
  - LOL!! ...She even edited her thread to add a silly little image..  snowbear   Jan-29-09 11:38 PM   #72 
  - Either Politifact is being disingenuous or they believe that people are stupid.  ProSense   Jan-29-09 11:35 PM   #67 
  - Oh snap!  asdjrocky   Jan-29-09 11:37 PM   #70 
  - Oh snap? Not only are comments not allowed, but the entry was posted 4 days before  Christine Babineau   Jan-29-09 11:41 PM   #75 
     - Gosh, you're right.  asdjrocky   Jan-29-09 11:45 PM   #78 
     - "No commens, no 5 day rule." Losing your composure? n/t  ProSense   Jan-29-09 11:46 PM   #79 
     - That makes no sense  Christine Babineau   Jan-29-09 11:48 PM   #81 
        - No, you make no sense. You had no idea the post was on the site. Sun to Thurs is five days. Comments  ProSense   Jan-29-09 11:51 PM   #83 
     - on that same page, if you click "contact" you can send a comment  CreekDog   Jan-30-09 12:17 AM   #104 
  - Comments not allowed  Christine Babineau   Jan-29-09 11:38 PM   #71 
     - Comments are always allowed. After reviewing the bill, you could  ProSense   Jan-29-09 11:43 PM   #76 
     - Misleading, here's why  Christine Babineau   Jan-29-09 11:51 PM   #85 
        - Again, what is your point?  CreekDog   Jan-29-09 11:56 PM   #89 
        - Not pretend that Obama didn't break a promise  Christine Babineau   Jan-29-09 11:58 PM   #90 
           - Excuse me? You just responded to a post where I gave you your point.  CreekDog   Jan-30-09 12:01 AM   #93 
           - He did not break a promise since civil right violations are emergencies to many liberals. nt  Holloween   Jan-30-09 03:49 AM   #131 
        - Nonsense, what's to stop you from referring to the law? The OP is nonsense. This is clear:  ProSense   Jan-29-09 11:59 PM   #91 
        - Are you implying that Bush's White House website didn't have a contact form?  Christine Babineau   Jan-30-09 12:08 AM   #95 
        - Ms. Babineau. how would you rate Mr. Bush as a president on a scale of 1-10?  snowbear   Jan-30-09 12:11 AM   #97 
           - 1  Christine Babineau   Jan-30-09 12:13 AM   #99 
              - Just wondering why you chose to go negative when no one here has even met you yet?  snowbear   Jan-30-09 12:22 AM   #107 
     - he said he would sign it and overturn the Supreme Court decision  CreekDog   Jan-29-09 11:43 PM   #77 
     - Okay you win  CreekDog   Jan-29-09 11:50 PM   #82 
  - What kills me is that the poster herself benefits from  Solomon   Jan-29-09 11:36 PM   #68 
  - ...  PBS Poll-435   Jan-29-09 11:37 PM   #69 
     - With extra cheese?  snowbear   Jan-29-09 11:40 PM   #73 
        - Note the "Christ Child" play on words for the nickname.  ReadTomPaine   Jan-29-09 11:53 PM   #87 
  - Okay everybody, fill in the blank, "I will eat my hat if ___________ "  CreekDog   Jan-30-09 12:02 AM   #94 
  - Ok Creeky Dawg....  snowbear   Jan-30-09 01:22 AM   #122 
  - Slow news day, eh?  trudyco   Jan-30-09 12:12 AM   #98 
  - FAIL ++, you're whining...only conservatives vote against equal rights  uponit7771   Jan-30-09 12:16 AM   #100 
  - Well, 1:18 am here, time to go to bed  Christine Babineau   Jan-30-09 12:19 AM   #105 
  - Wow you came her completely uninformed, unaware that the law was linked to on the site, and  ProSense   Jan-30-09 12:23 AM   #108 
  - No comments allowed  Christine Babineau   Jan-30-09 08:21 AM   #147 
  - Well, the moral  Baltoman991   Jan-30-09 12:26 AM   #109 
  - ah, the warning not to "worship" politicians  CreekDog   Jan-30-09 12:35 AM   #112 
  - IMO this post shows her intent beyond doubt. That is, if anybody  DevonRex   Jan-30-09 10:35 AM   #157 
  - The moral of the story is that you were wrong. Period.  NYC Liberal   Jan-30-09 02:48 AM   #125 
  - How do you know that OBAMA didn't create the world in 6 days?  chknltl   Jan-30-09 02:59 AM   #126 
  - And there we have it. She thinks we "worship" Obama and pities us  DevonRex   Jan-30-09 10:33 AM   #156 
  - Fail: administration/ eop/ opl/  NYC Liberal   Jan-30-09 12:26 AM   #110 
  - There's something to be said about picking ones battles  underseasurveyor   Jan-30-09 12:36 AM   #113 
  - Yeah?  ismnotwasm   Jan-30-09 12:44 AM   #114 
  - Proving again that any idiot with a computer can indeed post nonsense on the internet  grantcart   Jan-30-09 12:46 AM   #115 
  - Here's the email I wrote to Ms. Angie Drobnic Holan  FrenchieCat   Jan-30-09 12:59 AM   #116 
  - WTG FrenchieCat ~~ awesome job!  snowbear   Jan-30-09 01:15 AM   #120 
     - I also Copied Media Watchdog groups & comments for Politifacts  FrenchieCat   Jan-30-09 01:20 AM   #121 
        - Good for you, Frenchie!!! Thanks so much, and stay strong! n/t  OneGrassRoot   Jan-30-09 05:55 AM   #139 
  - Buh Bye!  Arugula Latte   Jan-30-09 01:06 AM   #117 
  - The complete list is 510, 484 of which haven't seen actions yet, 1 of the remainder's broken so far  Posteritatis   Jan-30-09 01:14 AM   #119 
  - As lolcats would put it...  Waiting For Everyman   Jan-30-09 02:17 AM   #123 
  - Welcome back.  ecstatic   Jan-30-09 02:20 AM   #124 
  - Mmmm Hmmm.  Warren DeMontague   Jan-30-09 04:12 AM   #133 
  - I wonder who it is, or who it was before it came back.  DevonRex   Jan-30-09 10:44 AM   #165 
  - Oh good grief, perhaps President McPain would have suited you better.  Eurobabe   Jan-30-09 03:09 AM   #127 
  - Some people consider civil right violations to be emergencies, and some don't.  Holloween   Jan-30-09 03:39 AM   #128 
  - Thanks for signing up to bring this to our attention.  Warren DeMontague   Jan-30-09 04:11 AM   #132 
  - My oh my, Christine.  lamp_shade   Jan-30-09 04:18 AM   #134 
  - Ditto. Too early in the a.m. for pizza, though. n/t  1Hippiechick   Jan-30-09 04:37 AM   #136 
  - FAIL  NutmegYankee   Jan-30-09 05:04 AM   #137 
  - Since the law deals with a statute of limitation  CTLawGuy   Jan-30-09 05:37 AM   #138 
  - mainly because half the people I was with believed it until I explained the situation to them  JTFrog   Jan-30-09 06:03 AM   #140 
  - Equal pay legislation that has been put off by Bush for years...  shaniqua6392   Jan-30-09 06:27 AM   #141 
  - Call the WAAMBUULANCE  DainBramaged   Jan-30-09 06:43 AM   #142 
  - Personally, I like my own headline better "Bush's last broken promise" or  Rebellious Republican   Jan-30-09 06:59 AM   #143 
  - Well . . . that does it for me.  Vinca   Jan-30-09 07:09 AM   #144 
  - pathetic  H2O Man   Jan-30-09 07:11 AM   #145 
  - Anyone that references that childish site (politifact) needs to be banned.  Dawgs   Jan-30-09 07:24 AM   #146 
  - In Before The Granite  NoPasaran   Jan-30-09 08:21 AM   #148 
  - Get Real, CB - This wasn't a measure UP FOR DEBATE, as it's part of Dem PLATFORM and Obama's pledge  blm   Jan-30-09 08:26 AM   #149 
  - if this is an example of how 'dissapointing' Pres. Obama will be  Bluerthanblue   Jan-30-09 08:42 AM   #150 
  - Broken Promise ..  Peacetrain   Jan-30-09 10:20 AM   #152 
  - Get lost. Go away. Disappear. Go poof. Slink back under your rock.  DevonRex   Jan-30-09 10:25 AM   #154 
  - + and take the 6 recommends with you  AtomicKitten   Jan-30-09 10:29 AM   #155 
     - Gee, I wonder what kind of bitter assholes would rec this pathetic anti-Obama OP?  ClarkUSA   Jan-30-09 10:35 AM   #158 
     - the bat signal went out and daypasses issued ----> voila!  AtomicKitten   Jan-30-09 10:38 AM   #159 
        - LOL!  Spazito   Jan-30-09 10:42 AM   #161 
        - That's my first guess, too. Amazing how that works, eh? nt  DevonRex   Jan-30-09 10:42 AM   #163 
     - I just saw those recs. Hard to believe unless they just wanted this  DevonRex   Jan-30-09 10:40 AM   #160 
        - probably the title itself was enough to get a nod from the anonymous O-haters that cruise this site  AtomicKitten   Jan-30-09 10:44 AM   #166 
  - Now how about that puppy!?  Starry Messenger   Jan-30-09 10:42 AM   #164 
  - This OP is so Fail it's almost a Win.  SIMPLYB1980   Jan-30-09 10:46 AM   #167 
  - OMG. That is hilarious!!! Can I steal it? Pretty please?  DevonRex   Jan-30-09 10:51 AM   #168 
     - It should be  H2O Man   Jan-30-09 10:53 AM   #169 
     - Yep. And somebody else used that Obama Get The Fuck Out  DevonRex   Jan-30-09 11:04 AM   #172 
     - Feel free that's how I got it.  SIMPLYB1980   Jan-30-09 10:54 AM   #170 
  - OK, between the kept promise and the unkept promise, I am fine with his order of priorities.  Mass   Jan-30-09 10:55 AM   #171 
  - Didn't his campaign website promise to sign this into law?  ieoeja   Jan-30-09 11:09 AM   #174 
  - Deleted message  Name removed   Jan-30-09 11:20 AM   #176 
  - Locking.  wakemeupwhenitsover   Jan-30-09 11:21 AM   #177 

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