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TexasBushwhacker Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Sep-15-04 04:32 AM
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26. This is so bogus!
Are people's memories THAT short?

TIME Poll results as prominently featured on Countdown (9/13/04):
Bush leads by 11%

Question asked of the sample: (voted 2000)
"Regardless of how you feel today, who did you vote for in 2000"
Bush - 53%
Gore - 41%
Nader/other 2%
Don't know/refused 4%

Now here are the poll results asked of likely voters (voted 2000)
Bush/Cheney - 52%
Kerry/Edwards - 41%
Nader/other - 0%
Don't know/refused 7%

Now, we KNOW that in fact, the results of the 2000 election were 48% for Gore, 48% for Bush, with Gore leading by over 500K of the popular vote. Some Time's poll, either through inadequate sample size or whatever, shows that their sample said they voted for Bush by a margin of 12%, when in fact the margin was ZERO. So why would their poll showing a Bush lead of 11% for the upcoming election have an validity at all?

Then take into the account the good old "likely voter" polls. Likely voters are voters that are not only registered, but actually voted in the last election. Doesn't that exclude any newly registered voters, ie. 18 to 21 years olds that were too young last time? What about the thousands of black voters that weren't allowed to vote in Florida? They don't make it to the "likely voter" group either. Then there is the 25% of America that uses ONLY a cell phone, who pollsters cannot call. It all adds up to biased polls that give bias results.
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  -ALERT!! Disregard all Time polls!! New evidence of flawed methodology!!! JohnnyCougar  Sep-15-04 01:55 AM   #0 
  - It was that poll that made me promise myself  Carla in Ca   Sep-15-04 02:06 AM   #1 
  - I don't read anything in print anymore...  Seabiscuit   Sep-15-04 02:11 AM   #3 
  - let's hope they're wrong  BushOutNow   Sep-15-04 04:20 AM   #24 
  - that is very strange  featherman   Sep-15-04 02:09 AM   #2 
  - What we need is to e-mail blast this to all news organizations  JohnnyCougar   Sep-15-04 02:17 AM   #5 
  - Great Job  DarthDem   Sep-15-04 02:12 AM   #4 
  - Hehe...I'm giving a presentation about it to my class tomorrow!  JohnnyCougar   Sep-15-04 02:19 AM   #6 
  - PLEASE! Why were they OK when Kerry was 300+ in the Electoral College??  WiseMen   Sep-15-04 02:20 AM   #7 
  - They weren't lying then?  aquart   Sep-15-04 04:29 AM   #25 
  - Polling data  DanGough   Sep-15-04 02:24 AM   #8 
  - BINGO! BINGO! BINGO!  Seabiscuit   Sep-15-04 02:38 AM   #12 
  - Wasn't there something written recently about how Bushco fired  Sugarbleus   Sep-15-04 05:03 AM   #29 
  - Hi DanGough!!  newyawker99   Sep-15-04 09:08 AM   #30 
  - I don't think you can "re-weigh" a poll  Gore1FL   Sep-15-04 02:24 AM   #9 
  - I don't see why not  JohnnyCougar   Sep-15-04 02:29 AM   #10 
     - Remembering, of course that Zogby  LittleClarkie   Sep-15-04 02:36 AM   #11 
     - It can give you an idea -- but it blows the MOE all to hell  Gore1FL   Sep-15-04 02:48 AM   #14 
        - fair enough...  JohnnyCougar   Sep-15-04 02:50 AM   #16 
           - Roger that!  Gore1FL   Sep-15-04 03:02 AM   #18 
  - bring me up to speed, would ya?  grasswire   Sep-15-04 02:42 AM   #13 
  - I'm not sure who they polled in 2000  JohnnyCougar   Sep-15-04 02:53 AM   #17 
  - another interesing fact...  JohnnyCougar   Sep-15-04 02:48 AM   #15 
  - screwy  grasswire   Sep-15-04 03:18 AM   #21 
  - letter to countdown  featherman   Sep-15-04 03:02 AM   #19 
  - Thanks...  JohnnyCougar   Sep-15-04 03:06 AM   #20 
  - This is so bogus!  TexasBushwhacker   Sep-15-04 04:32 AM   #26 
  - here's the deal  NJCher   Sep-15-04 03:57 AM   #22 
  - One thing to keep in mind  Dookus   Sep-15-04 04:12 AM   #23 
     - So you think lots of people have converted TO Bush FROM Gore?  aquart   Sep-15-04 04:35 AM   #27 
     - I said no such thing  Dookus   Sep-15-04 10:23 AM   #32 
     - My guess  Jim4Wes   Sep-15-04 04:42 AM   #28 
     - well if people were lying in that poll  JohnnyCougar   Sep-15-04 09:57 AM   #31 
        - it's well known  Dookus   Sep-15-04 10:24 AM   #33 
           - alone, this may be questionnable  JohnnyCougar   Sep-15-04 10:36 AM   #34 
           - That is true  lancdem   Sep-15-04 10:58 AM   #35 
              - So the people polled are lying...  JohnnyCougar   Sep-15-04 11:02 AM   #36 

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