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shintao Donating Member (288 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Jan-19-09 10:32 PM
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122. One step at a time........
The first thing needing done is create a national workers union to stand up to corporations & put the power of government into the peoples hands again. Necons have convienced themselves that individualism is the answer - NOT. They have no power.

Second thing to do is socialize the government system so we can compete with foreign countries and give our workers the benefits they are paying for and not receiving.

Socialization will regulate corporations and make them pay a fair share of the taxes in America. It will end wars being used to prop up the economy, and give America a new direction and goals to achieve. The infrastructure of America is at the top of the list through which profits are made in transportation systems needing updating badly. More enterprises will create a need for power plants and desalination plants on the three coasts, and an inland water system to distribute water to barren lands.
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  -For change to happen, the "other side" is EXACTLY who you must talk to. Bonobo  Jan-19-09 08:57 PM   #0 
  - Fuck the "other side".  Tilion   Jan-19-09 08:58 PM   #1 
  - I agree!  shintao   Jan-19-09 10:03 PM   #92 
     - Tilion?  shintao   Jan-19-09 10:07 PM   #94 
  - How many times does the distinction between TALK and HONOR need to be made?  Harvey Korman   Jan-19-09 08:59 PM   #2 
  - Distinction without a difference.  Bonobo   Jan-19-09 09:00 PM   #5 
     - No it isn't.  Harvey Korman   Jan-19-09 09:02 PM   #8 
        - Yes, Warren IS entitled to his own perspective.  Bonobo   Jan-19-09 09:06 PM   #13 
           - What?  Harvey Korman   Jan-19-09 09:08 PM   #19 
              - He is not on my pedestal. Is he on yours? No. So who exactly is putting him on a pedestal?  Bonobo   Jan-19-09 09:12 PM   #23 
                 - Don't be so naive. People will see the inauguration, they'll see his association with BO,  Harvey Korman   Jan-19-09 09:16 PM   #31 
                    - On the completely other hand...  Bonobo   Jan-19-09 09:18 PM   #34 
                       - His ideas are nothing new, and no one, least of all Obama will denounce him for them  Harvey Korman   Jan-19-09 09:23 PM   #42 
                          - I didn't say people should listen to his perspective. I said he had a right to it.  Bonobo   Jan-19-09 09:25 PM   #45 
                             - To even call it a perspective is a dangerous lie.  Harvey Korman   Jan-19-09 09:29 PM   #50 
                                - It doesn't matter what you call it. It exists anyway.  Bonobo   Jan-19-09 09:33 PM   #54 
                                   - It does matter what you call it.  Harvey Korman   Jan-19-09 10:15 PM   #103 
  - Was just discussing this with my daughter.  elleng   Jan-19-09 09:00 PM   #3 
  - have we not fucking learned anything?  Skittles   Jan-19-09 09:00 PM   #4 
  - Amen!  Tilion   Jan-19-09 09:02 PM   #7 
  - That's what  Andy823   Jan-19-09 09:04 PM   #10 
  - Thanks, Andy.  elleng   Jan-19-09 09:16 PM   #30 
  - Funny, I want to say the exact same thing to you!  Bonobo   Jan-19-09 09:05 PM   #11 
  - Shoving the other person's face in the fucking dirt?  Harvey Korman   Jan-19-09 09:06 PM   #15 
  - No, we are winning.  Bonobo   Jan-19-09 09:08 PM   # 
     - No, you seem determined to blame the people who are under attack  Harvey Korman   Jan-19-09 09:09 PM   #20 
        - Gay marriage is increasingly becoming inevitable. So how are we losing?  Bonobo   Jan-19-09 09:11 PM   #21 
           - California. That's how!  Harvey Korman   Jan-19-09 09:12 PM   #24 
              - It would not pass if the vote were tomorrow. And it will come up again, and soon.  Bonobo   Jan-19-09 09:13 PM   #27 
              - And Rick Warren will be there to fight against it, with an even larger set of devotees  Harvey Korman   Jan-19-09 09:27 PM   #46 
                 - Totally wrong.  Bonobo   Jan-19-09 09:29 PM   #49 
                 - Hit a wall, did you?  Harvey Korman   Jan-19-09 09:29 PM   #51 
                    - Not really, but I can't figure why you think there would be more...  Bonobo   Jan-19-09 09:31 PM   #53 
                       - And Obama's own words were used to help pass Prop 8.  Harvey Korman   Jan-19-09 09:34 PM   #56 
                          - I have reached a wall here on this point. But not on the larger point.  Bonobo   Jan-19-09 09:36 PM   #61 
                 - We'll fight harder, have more on our side.  NYC_SKP   Jan-19-09 09:36 PM   #60 
                 - So far Democratic appeasement and fear of engagement on GLBT rights  Harvey Korman   Jan-19-09 09:46 PM   #75 
                 - What about the people in California?  stillcool47   Jan-19-09 09:44 PM   #74 
                    - California's gonna come around, and it will be truth and reason that will turn it.  NYC_SKP   Jan-19-09 09:55 PM   #85 
                       - I was shocked...never in a million years..  stillcool47   Jan-19-09 10:48 PM   #135 
                          - The pro 8 ad campaign was huge and clever.  NYC_SKP   Jan-19-09 11:01 PM   #144 
              - THE CALIFORNIA COURT THREW IT OUT ALREADY!!  shintao   Jan-19-09 10:20 PM   #108 
                 - What? No they didn't.  Harvey Korman   Jan-19-09 10:22 PM   #110 
                    - WHAT!!! Yes it did!!! :)  shintao   Jan-19-09 10:48 PM   #136 
                       - that's from May 2008  stillcool47   Jan-19-09 10:51 PM   #139 
                       - Ahhh. Me Bad!!  shintao   Jan-19-09 11:09 PM   #147 
                       - That's the original decision undone by Prop 8.  Harvey Korman   Jan-19-09 11:08 PM   #146 
  - Obama kissing repuke ass will get us NOTHING  Skittles   Jan-19-09 09:08 PM   #18 
  - Invite them along, and if they don't want to come, sucks to be them  Chulanowa   Jan-19-09 09:35 PM   #58 
  - Our way or the highway. Love it or leave it. Sure. nt  Bonobo   Jan-19-09 09:41 PM   #70 
     - Not exactly  Chulanowa   Jan-19-09 09:46 PM   #77 
        - I agree with lots of what you said. Especially abvout what constitutes the center.  Bonobo   Jan-19-09 09:55 PM   #86 
  - Just wanted to say..  ravencalling   Jan-20-09 07:25 AM   #159 
  - Out of curiosity, how do you propose we take back America from them?  Hippo_Tron   Jan-19-09 09:39 PM   #66 
  - I thought we did when we won the presidency and solid majorities in both houses of Congress.  Harvey Korman   Jan-19-09 10:16 PM   #104 
  - Well we won them in part due to massive outreach efforts to religious voters  Hippo_Tron   Jan-19-09 10:19 PM   #107 
     - LOL.  Harvey Korman   Jan-19-09 10:23 PM   #113 
  - One step at a time........  shintao   Jan-19-09 10:32 PM   #122 
  - PROSECUTE THE BASTARDS  Skittles   Jan-20-09 04:45 AM   #157 
  - Absolutely!  shintao   Jan-19-09 10:14 PM   #101 
  - No, we have learned nothing  Lorien   Jan-19-09 11:13 PM   #150 
     - Obama can kiss my Sweet Bippy!  shintao   Jan-19-09 11:20 PM   #152 
  - I agree with you,  Andy823   Jan-19-09 09:01 PM   #6 
  - Winnings good. Thanks.  geckosfeet   Jan-19-09 09:03 PM   #9 
  - No it means  Andy823   Jan-19-09 09:06 PM   #14 
     - Many of them have proved that they will not work with the other side.  geckosfeet   Jan-19-09 09:18 PM   #36 
  - Anyone with any experience with at-risk youth would agree with you.  NYC_SKP   Jan-19-09 09:05 PM   #12 
  - Thank you so much.  Bonobo   Jan-19-09 09:07 PM   #17 
  - Great post.  Number23   Jan-19-09 09:13 PM   #26 
  - The republican party is dead. Bury them.  Lint Head   Jan-19-09 09:07 PM   #16 
  - No, the OP would rather resurrect them and pay heed to their "perspectives"  Harvey Korman   Jan-19-09 09:11 PM   #22 
     - Ridiculous and patently untrue. Now you are creating out of whole cloth. nt  Bonobo   Jan-19-09 09:13 PM   #25 
  - There's a word that persists here,  elleng   Jan-19-09 09:13 PM   #28 
  - True, that.  NYC_SKP   Jan-19-09 09:17 PM   #32 
  - To the naysayers, meeting hatred with hatred will never, ever, succeed.  NYC_SKP   Jan-19-09 09:13 PM   #29 
  - It's easy to be sanguine when you're not being attacked  Harvey Korman   Jan-19-09 09:18 PM   #35 
  - Rick Warren may not. But what if we can tear away 20% of his "followers"? Or even 10%?  Bonobo   Jan-19-09 09:21 PM   #40 
  - How can you possibly tear away his followers when you don't want to offend them  Harvey Korman   Jan-19-09 09:25 PM   #44 
     - Rather than "denouncing them", which would only force them to entrench their position...  Bonobo   Jan-19-09 09:28 PM   #48 
        - LOL. You really have no idea what we're dealing with. The kind of self-reinforcing mindfuck.  Harvey Korman   Jan-19-09 09:33 PM   #55 
           - Yes, some of them are just like that. But surely even you don't think it is all of them, do you?  Bonobo   Jan-19-09 09:38 PM   # 
              - I can't say whether it is in fact all of them.  Harvey Korman   Jan-19-09 09:54 PM   #83 
                 - Obama's approach is counterintuitive in that sense, I suppose.  Bonobo   Jan-19-09 10:01 PM   #89 
                    - Making Warren more of a celebrity will help consolidate power behind him.  Harvey Korman   Jan-19-09 10:13 PM   #99 
                       - By all means, yes, reframe the issue.  Bonobo   Jan-19-09 10:19 PM   #105 
                          - There is no grey when it comes to equality.  Harvey Korman   Jan-19-09 10:31 PM   #120 
  - I agree.  NYC_SKP   Jan-19-09 09:30 PM   #52 
     - I also want to add that I agree. I do not understand how painful it must be, Harvey.  Bonobo   Jan-19-09 09:35 PM   #57 
     - Please don't condescend to me.  Harvey Korman   Jan-19-09 09:38 PM   #64 
        - I apologize if it came off that way. Not intended at all.  Bonobo   Jan-19-09 09:39 PM   #68 
     - I am not irrational. Quite the opposite.  Harvey Korman   Jan-19-09 09:35 PM   #59 
        - Again, I agree.  NYC_SKP   Jan-19-09 09:43 PM   #72 
  - You think that you represent progressives and liberals?  Balderdash   Jan-19-09 09:37 PM   #63 
  - Give me one thing to respect Warren for.  Luminous Animal   Jan-19-09 09:55 PM   #84 
  - Who said anything about respecting him?  Bonobo   Jan-19-09 10:09 PM   #97 
     - NYC_SKP  Luminous Animal   Jan-19-09 10:22 PM   #111 
  - Refusing to submit to bullying = "hatred"  eridani   Jan-19-09 10:27 PM   #115 
  - Executions seem to work just fine!!  shintao   Jan-19-09 11:15 PM   #151 
  - How do you reason with people who are not reasonable in the first place?  Sebastian Doyle   Jan-19-09 09:17 PM   #33 
  - One essential logical fallacy in your thinking, if you will forgive me for saying so.  Bonobo   Jan-19-09 09:21 PM   #37 
     - Right on  Hell_If_I_Know   Jan-19-09 09:22 PM   #41 
     - Warren will not change...  Luminous Animal   Jan-19-09 10:15 PM   #102 
     - Any "sane" republicans that still existed probably are not Repukes anymore.  Sebastian Doyle   Jan-19-09 11:24 PM   #153 
  - Very good point, Bonobo  Hell_If_I_Know   Jan-19-09 09:21 PM   #38 
  - There it is! Take the issue, any issue; your issue whomever you are...  bridgit   Jan-19-09 09:21 PM   #39 
  - Yes indeed.  Bonobo   Jan-19-09 09:23 PM   #43 
     - Yep, peace, cheers, thanks *and* for you...'the big one'!  bridgit   Jan-19-09 09:27 PM   #47 
  - Leviticus 20:13  JeffreyWilliamson   Jan-19-09 09:37 PM   #62 
  - "They"?  Bonobo   Jan-19-09 09:40 PM   #69 
     - Yes "They"...  JeffreyWilliamson   Jan-19-09 09:46 PM   #76 
        - A really excellent point. Quite right.  Bonobo   Jan-19-09 09:49 PM   #80 
           - I'll concede that in a general sense, because I agree in that general sense...  JeffreyWilliamson   Jan-19-09 09:56 PM   #88 
              - Sounds like we really agree with each other.  Bonobo   Jan-19-09 10:08 PM   #96 
                 - Okay, I'll not only concede a point, I'll agree...  JeffreyWilliamson   Jan-19-09 10:32 PM   #121 
  - You must be fucking joking  TOJ   Jan-19-09 09:39 PM   #65 
  - If you want to pass legislation  stillcool47   Jan-19-09 09:39 PM   #67 
  - YES, with one caveat:  janx   Jan-19-09 09:43 PM   #71 
  - Good point.  Bonobo   Jan-19-09 09:44 PM   #73 
  - I understand and appreciate that!  janx   Jan-19-09 09:55 PM   #87 
  - The Art of Politics is lost  stillcool47   Jan-19-09 09:46 PM   #78 
  - Right, and it's not just politics.  janx   Jan-19-09 10:19 PM   #106 
     - many of them don't 'do' anything either..  stillcool47   Jan-19-09 11:01 PM   #143 
  - The truth and a lie are not two "sides" of the same issue.  Harvey Korman   Jan-19-09 10:04 PM   #93 
     - First of all, the other side would not admit that they "hate" anyone.  Bonobo   Jan-19-09 10:14 PM   #100 
     - We ARE better than they are.  Harvey Korman   Jan-19-09 10:21 PM   #109 
        - Again, totally agree. 100% percent.  Bonobo   Jan-19-09 10:24 PM   #114 
           - This isn't therapy, this is politics.  Harvey Korman   Jan-19-09 10:29 PM   #117 
              - Forgiveness doesn't have anything to do with it. Pragmatism does.  Bonobo   Jan-19-09 10:33 PM   #123 
                 - I said it's not your place to forgive and to encourage empathy  Harvey Korman   Jan-19-09 10:39 PM   #129 
                    - I hear you loud and clear.  Bonobo   Jan-19-09 10:43 PM   #131 
                       - Why? We've reached no resolution.  Harvey Korman   Jan-19-09 10:45 PM   #132 
                          - No, we have not reached resolution.  Bonobo   Jan-19-09 10:48 PM   #134 
     - It's not a different point of view; it's ignorance.  janx   Jan-19-09 10:28 PM   #116 
  - While your point is well taken (obvious)  HughMoran   Jan-19-09 09:48 PM   #79 
  - I am sorry you don't like my style but that is really beside the point.  Bonobo   Jan-19-09 09:50 PM   #81 
     - I was teasing you  HughMoran   Jan-19-09 09:52 PM   #82 
        - OK, but my OP was so short...  Bonobo   Jan-19-09 10:03 PM   #91 
           - Well, I did start off by agreeing with you  HughMoran   Jan-19-09 10:07 PM   #95 
  - Talking to your own side has its occasional merits, too...  PurityOfEssence   Jan-19-09 10:01 PM   #90 
  - Obama is uniting the nation...  Life Long Dem   Jan-19-09 10:10 PM   #98 
  - I TOTALLY agree with you!  RichGirl   Jan-19-09 10:23 PM   #112 
  - Some things aren't up for discussion such as the Constitution,  mmonk   Jan-19-09 10:29 PM   #118 
  - Unless you are ready to kill, EVERYTHING is up for discussion. nt  Bonobo   Jan-19-09 10:38 PM   #127 
     - I will not bend over and kiss any tyrant's ass. Sorry.  mmonk   Jan-20-09 07:57 AM   #160 
  - Not when the other side has ZERO interest in changing  dbackjon   Jan-19-09 10:31 PM   #119 
  - Again I ask: Are you sure that "THEY" will never change?  Bonobo   Jan-19-09 10:35 PM   #124 
  - Not really. having dealt with these assholes all my life  dbackjon   Jan-19-09 11:38 PM   #154 
  - I hate to burst your bubble  Dreamer Tatum   Jan-19-09 10:36 PM   #125 
  - Whew! A clear thinker! Bravo!  Bonobo   Jan-19-09 10:38 PM   #126 
     - Just doin' my part nt  Dreamer Tatum   Jan-19-09 10:39 PM   #128 
     - As opposed to the unclear thinkers who don't agree with you?  Harvey Korman   Jan-19-09 10:42 PM   #130 
        - Obviously...  Bonobo   Jan-19-09 10:46 PM   #133 
           - There are people on both sides who are utterly destroyed  Dreamer Tatum   Jan-19-09 10:50 PM   #137 
           - Okay.  Harvey Korman   Jan-19-09 10:50 PM   #138 
              - Well, you may be right.  Bonobo   Jan-19-09 10:52 PM   #140 
                 - Ha!  Harvey Korman   Jan-19-09 10:54 PM   #141 
  - those that were in favor of..  stillcool47   Jan-19-09 10:57 PM   #142 
  - I agree.  Undercurrent   Jan-19-09 11:06 PM   #145 
  - If you talk to them and convince them that the Democratic positions are  Lorien   Jan-19-09 11:10 PM   #148 
  - I guess so,  leftofthedial   Jan-19-09 11:11 PM   #149 
  - I disagree completely.  girl gone mad   Jan-19-09 11:40 PM   #155 
  - Hahahahahaha.  Evoman   Jan-19-09 11:41 PM   #156 
  - so stupid. nt  lionesspriyanka   Jan-20-09 04:47 AM   #158 
  - That's just a slogan. Its not true and never has been - nt  sampsonblk   Jan-20-09 08:01 AM   #161 
  - I wholeheartedly agree!  Th1onein   Jan-20-09 11:39 AM   #162 

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