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Maven Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Jan-19-09 10:23 PM
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113. LOL.
It just never ends.

Give them everything they want then. Even when we win, we don't fucking win.
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  -For change to happen, the "other side" is EXACTLY who you must talk to. Bonobo  Jan-19-09 08:57 PM   #0 
  - Fuck the "other side".  Tilion   Jan-19-09 08:58 PM   #1 
  - I agree!  shintao   Jan-19-09 10:03 PM   #92 
     - Tilion?  shintao   Jan-19-09 10:07 PM   #94 
  - How many times does the distinction between TALK and HONOR need to be made?  Harvey Korman   Jan-19-09 08:59 PM   #2 
  - Distinction without a difference.  Bonobo   Jan-19-09 09:00 PM   #5 
     - No it isn't.  Harvey Korman   Jan-19-09 09:02 PM   #8 
        - Yes, Warren IS entitled to his own perspective.  Bonobo   Jan-19-09 09:06 PM   #13 
           - What?  Harvey Korman   Jan-19-09 09:08 PM   #19 
              - He is not on my pedestal. Is he on yours? No. So who exactly is putting him on a pedestal?  Bonobo   Jan-19-09 09:12 PM   #23 
                 - Don't be so naive. People will see the inauguration, they'll see his association with BO,  Harvey Korman   Jan-19-09 09:16 PM   #31 
                    - On the completely other hand...  Bonobo   Jan-19-09 09:18 PM   #34 
                       - His ideas are nothing new, and no one, least of all Obama will denounce him for them  Harvey Korman   Jan-19-09 09:23 PM   #42 
                          - I didn't say people should listen to his perspective. I said he had a right to it.  Bonobo   Jan-19-09 09:25 PM   #45 
                             - To even call it a perspective is a dangerous lie.  Harvey Korman   Jan-19-09 09:29 PM   #50 
                                - It doesn't matter what you call it. It exists anyway.  Bonobo   Jan-19-09 09:33 PM   #54 
                                   - It does matter what you call it.  Harvey Korman   Jan-19-09 10:15 PM   #103 
  - Was just discussing this with my daughter.  elleng   Jan-19-09 09:00 PM   #3 
  - have we not fucking learned anything?  Skittles   Jan-19-09 09:00 PM   #4 
  - Amen!  Tilion   Jan-19-09 09:02 PM   #7 
  - That's what  Andy823   Jan-19-09 09:04 PM   #10 
  - Thanks, Andy.  elleng   Jan-19-09 09:16 PM   #30 
  - Funny, I want to say the exact same thing to you!  Bonobo   Jan-19-09 09:05 PM   #11 
  - Shoving the other person's face in the fucking dirt?  Harvey Korman   Jan-19-09 09:06 PM   #15 
  - No, we are winning.  Bonobo   Jan-19-09 09:08 PM   # 
     - No, you seem determined to blame the people who are under attack  Harvey Korman   Jan-19-09 09:09 PM   #20 
        - Gay marriage is increasingly becoming inevitable. So how are we losing?  Bonobo   Jan-19-09 09:11 PM   #21 
           - California. That's how!  Harvey Korman   Jan-19-09 09:12 PM   #24 
              - It would not pass if the vote were tomorrow. And it will come up again, and soon.  Bonobo   Jan-19-09 09:13 PM   #27 
              - And Rick Warren will be there to fight against it, with an even larger set of devotees  Harvey Korman   Jan-19-09 09:27 PM   #46 
                 - Totally wrong.  Bonobo   Jan-19-09 09:29 PM   #49 
                 - Hit a wall, did you?  Harvey Korman   Jan-19-09 09:29 PM   #51 
                    - Not really, but I can't figure why you think there would be more...  Bonobo   Jan-19-09 09:31 PM   #53 
                       - And Obama's own words were used to help pass Prop 8.  Harvey Korman   Jan-19-09 09:34 PM   #56 
                          - I have reached a wall here on this point. But not on the larger point.  Bonobo   Jan-19-09 09:36 PM   #61 
                 - We'll fight harder, have more on our side.  NYC_SKP   Jan-19-09 09:36 PM   #60 
                 - So far Democratic appeasement and fear of engagement on GLBT rights  Harvey Korman   Jan-19-09 09:46 PM   #75 
                 - What about the people in California?  stillcool47   Jan-19-09 09:44 PM   #74 
                    - California's gonna come around, and it will be truth and reason that will turn it.  NYC_SKP   Jan-19-09 09:55 PM   #85 
                       - I was shocked...never in a million years..  stillcool47   Jan-19-09 10:48 PM   #135 
                          - The pro 8 ad campaign was huge and clever.  NYC_SKP   Jan-19-09 11:01 PM   #144 
              - THE CALIFORNIA COURT THREW IT OUT ALREADY!!  shintao   Jan-19-09 10:20 PM   #108 
                 - What? No they didn't.  Harvey Korman   Jan-19-09 10:22 PM   #110 
                    - WHAT!!! Yes it did!!! :)  shintao   Jan-19-09 10:48 PM   #136 
                       - that's from May 2008  stillcool47   Jan-19-09 10:51 PM   #139 
                       - Ahhh. Me Bad!!  shintao   Jan-19-09 11:09 PM   #147 
                       - That's the original decision undone by Prop 8.  Harvey Korman   Jan-19-09 11:08 PM   #146 
  - Obama kissing repuke ass will get us NOTHING  Skittles   Jan-19-09 09:08 PM   #18 
  - Invite them along, and if they don't want to come, sucks to be them  Chulanowa   Jan-19-09 09:35 PM   #58 
  - Our way or the highway. Love it or leave it. Sure. nt  Bonobo   Jan-19-09 09:41 PM   #70 
     - Not exactly  Chulanowa   Jan-19-09 09:46 PM   #77 
        - I agree with lots of what you said. Especially abvout what constitutes the center.  Bonobo   Jan-19-09 09:55 PM   #86 
  - Just wanted to say..  ravencalling   Jan-20-09 07:25 AM   #159 
  - Out of curiosity, how do you propose we take back America from them?  Hippo_Tron   Jan-19-09 09:39 PM   #66 
  - I thought we did when we won the presidency and solid majorities in both houses of Congress.  Harvey Korman   Jan-19-09 10:16 PM   #104 
  - Well we won them in part due to massive outreach efforts to religious voters  Hippo_Tron   Jan-19-09 10:19 PM   #107 
     - LOL.  Harvey Korman   Jan-19-09 10:23 PM   #113 
  - One step at a time........  shintao   Jan-19-09 10:32 PM   #122 
  - PROSECUTE THE BASTARDS  Skittles   Jan-20-09 04:45 AM   #157 
  - Absolutely!  shintao   Jan-19-09 10:14 PM   #101 
  - No, we have learned nothing  Lorien   Jan-19-09 11:13 PM   #150 
     - Obama can kiss my Sweet Bippy!  shintao   Jan-19-09 11:20 PM   #152 
  - I agree with you,  Andy823   Jan-19-09 09:01 PM   #6 
  - Winnings good. Thanks.  geckosfeet   Jan-19-09 09:03 PM   #9 
  - No it means  Andy823   Jan-19-09 09:06 PM   #14 
     - Many of them have proved that they will not work with the other side.  geckosfeet   Jan-19-09 09:18 PM   #36 
  - Anyone with any experience with at-risk youth would agree with you.  NYC_SKP   Jan-19-09 09:05 PM   #12 
  - Thank you so much.  Bonobo   Jan-19-09 09:07 PM   #17 
  - Great post.  Number23   Jan-19-09 09:13 PM   #26 
  - The republican party is dead. Bury them.  Lint Head   Jan-19-09 09:07 PM   #16 
  - No, the OP would rather resurrect them and pay heed to their "perspectives"  Harvey Korman   Jan-19-09 09:11 PM   #22 
     - Ridiculous and patently untrue. Now you are creating out of whole cloth. nt  Bonobo   Jan-19-09 09:13 PM   #25 
  - There's a word that persists here,  elleng   Jan-19-09 09:13 PM   #28 
  - True, that.  NYC_SKP   Jan-19-09 09:17 PM   #32 
  - To the naysayers, meeting hatred with hatred will never, ever, succeed.  NYC_SKP   Jan-19-09 09:13 PM   #29 
  - It's easy to be sanguine when you're not being attacked  Harvey Korman   Jan-19-09 09:18 PM   #35 
  - Rick Warren may not. But what if we can tear away 20% of his "followers"? Or even 10%?  Bonobo   Jan-19-09 09:21 PM   #40 
  - How can you possibly tear away his followers when you don't want to offend them  Harvey Korman   Jan-19-09 09:25 PM   #44 
     - Rather than "denouncing them", which would only force them to entrench their position...  Bonobo   Jan-19-09 09:28 PM   #48 
        - LOL. You really have no idea what we're dealing with. The kind of self-reinforcing mindfuck.  Harvey Korman   Jan-19-09 09:33 PM   #55 
           - Yes, some of them are just like that. But surely even you don't think it is all of them, do you?  Bonobo   Jan-19-09 09:38 PM   # 
              - I can't say whether it is in fact all of them.  Harvey Korman   Jan-19-09 09:54 PM   #83 
                 - Obama's approach is counterintuitive in that sense, I suppose.  Bonobo   Jan-19-09 10:01 PM   #89 
                    - Making Warren more of a celebrity will help consolidate power behind him.  Harvey Korman   Jan-19-09 10:13 PM   #99 
                       - By all means, yes, reframe the issue.  Bonobo   Jan-19-09 10:19 PM   #105 
                          - There is no grey when it comes to equality.  Harvey Korman   Jan-19-09 10:31 PM   #120 
  - I agree.  NYC_SKP   Jan-19-09 09:30 PM   #52 
     - I also want to add that I agree. I do not understand how painful it must be, Harvey.  Bonobo   Jan-19-09 09:35 PM   #57 
     - Please don't condescend to me.  Harvey Korman   Jan-19-09 09:38 PM   #64 
        - I apologize if it came off that way. Not intended at all.  Bonobo   Jan-19-09 09:39 PM   #68 
     - I am not irrational. Quite the opposite.  Harvey Korman   Jan-19-09 09:35 PM   #59 
        - Again, I agree.  NYC_SKP   Jan-19-09 09:43 PM   #72 
  - You think that you represent progressives and liberals?  Balderdash   Jan-19-09 09:37 PM   #63 
  - Give me one thing to respect Warren for.  Luminous Animal   Jan-19-09 09:55 PM   #84 
  - Who said anything about respecting him?  Bonobo   Jan-19-09 10:09 PM   #97 
     - NYC_SKP  Luminous Animal   Jan-19-09 10:22 PM   #111 
  - Refusing to submit to bullying = "hatred"  eridani   Jan-19-09 10:27 PM   #115 
  - Executions seem to work just fine!!  shintao   Jan-19-09 11:15 PM   #151 
  - How do you reason with people who are not reasonable in the first place?  Sebastian Doyle   Jan-19-09 09:17 PM   #33 
  - One essential logical fallacy in your thinking, if you will forgive me for saying so.  Bonobo   Jan-19-09 09:21 PM   #37 
     - Right on  Hell_If_I_Know   Jan-19-09 09:22 PM   #41 
     - Warren will not change...  Luminous Animal   Jan-19-09 10:15 PM   #102 
     - Any "sane" republicans that still existed probably are not Repukes anymore.  Sebastian Doyle   Jan-19-09 11:24 PM   #153 
  - Very good point, Bonobo  Hell_If_I_Know   Jan-19-09 09:21 PM   #38 
  - There it is! Take the issue, any issue; your issue whomever you are...  bridgit   Jan-19-09 09:21 PM   #39 
  - Yes indeed.  Bonobo   Jan-19-09 09:23 PM   #43 
     - Yep, peace, cheers, thanks *and* for you...'the big one'!  bridgit   Jan-19-09 09:27 PM   #47 
  - Leviticus 20:13  JeffreyWilliamson   Jan-19-09 09:37 PM   #62 
  - "They"?  Bonobo   Jan-19-09 09:40 PM   #69 
     - Yes "They"...  JeffreyWilliamson   Jan-19-09 09:46 PM   #76 
        - A really excellent point. Quite right.  Bonobo   Jan-19-09 09:49 PM   #80 
           - I'll concede that in a general sense, because I agree in that general sense...  JeffreyWilliamson   Jan-19-09 09:56 PM   #88 
              - Sounds like we really agree with each other.  Bonobo   Jan-19-09 10:08 PM   #96 
                 - Okay, I'll not only concede a point, I'll agree...  JeffreyWilliamson   Jan-19-09 10:32 PM   #121 
  - You must be fucking joking  TOJ   Jan-19-09 09:39 PM   #65 
  - If you want to pass legislation  stillcool47   Jan-19-09 09:39 PM   #67 
  - YES, with one caveat:  janx   Jan-19-09 09:43 PM   #71 
  - Good point.  Bonobo   Jan-19-09 09:44 PM   #73 
  - I understand and appreciate that!  janx   Jan-19-09 09:55 PM   #87 
  - The Art of Politics is lost  stillcool47   Jan-19-09 09:46 PM   #78 
  - Right, and it's not just politics.  janx   Jan-19-09 10:19 PM   #106 
     - many of them don't 'do' anything either..  stillcool47   Jan-19-09 11:01 PM   #143 
  - The truth and a lie are not two "sides" of the same issue.  Harvey Korman   Jan-19-09 10:04 PM   #93 
     - First of all, the other side would not admit that they "hate" anyone.  Bonobo   Jan-19-09 10:14 PM   #100 
     - We ARE better than they are.  Harvey Korman   Jan-19-09 10:21 PM   #109 
        - Again, totally agree. 100% percent.  Bonobo   Jan-19-09 10:24 PM   #114 
           - This isn't therapy, this is politics.  Harvey Korman   Jan-19-09 10:29 PM   #117 
              - Forgiveness doesn't have anything to do with it. Pragmatism does.  Bonobo   Jan-19-09 10:33 PM   #123 
                 - I said it's not your place to forgive and to encourage empathy  Harvey Korman   Jan-19-09 10:39 PM   #129 
                    - I hear you loud and clear.  Bonobo   Jan-19-09 10:43 PM   #131 
                       - Why? We've reached no resolution.  Harvey Korman   Jan-19-09 10:45 PM   #132 
                          - No, we have not reached resolution.  Bonobo   Jan-19-09 10:48 PM   #134 
     - It's not a different point of view; it's ignorance.  janx   Jan-19-09 10:28 PM   #116 
  - While your point is well taken (obvious)  HughMoran   Jan-19-09 09:48 PM   #79 
  - I am sorry you don't like my style but that is really beside the point.  Bonobo   Jan-19-09 09:50 PM   #81 
     - I was teasing you  HughMoran   Jan-19-09 09:52 PM   #82 
        - OK, but my OP was so short...  Bonobo   Jan-19-09 10:03 PM   #91 
           - Well, I did start off by agreeing with you  HughMoran   Jan-19-09 10:07 PM   #95 
  - Talking to your own side has its occasional merits, too...  PurityOfEssence   Jan-19-09 10:01 PM   #90 
  - Obama is uniting the nation...  Life Long Dem   Jan-19-09 10:10 PM   #98 
  - I TOTALLY agree with you!  RichGirl   Jan-19-09 10:23 PM   #112 
  - Some things aren't up for discussion such as the Constitution,  mmonk   Jan-19-09 10:29 PM   #118 
  - Unless you are ready to kill, EVERYTHING is up for discussion. nt  Bonobo   Jan-19-09 10:38 PM   #127 
     - I will not bend over and kiss any tyrant's ass. Sorry.  mmonk   Jan-20-09 07:57 AM   #160 
  - Not when the other side has ZERO interest in changing  dbackjon   Jan-19-09 10:31 PM   #119 
  - Again I ask: Are you sure that "THEY" will never change?  Bonobo   Jan-19-09 10:35 PM   #124 
  - Not really. having dealt with these assholes all my life  dbackjon   Jan-19-09 11:38 PM   #154 
  - I hate to burst your bubble  Dreamer Tatum   Jan-19-09 10:36 PM   #125 
  - Whew! A clear thinker! Bravo!  Bonobo   Jan-19-09 10:38 PM   #126 
     - Just doin' my part nt  Dreamer Tatum   Jan-19-09 10:39 PM   #128 
     - As opposed to the unclear thinkers who don't agree with you?  Harvey Korman   Jan-19-09 10:42 PM   #130 
        - Obviously...  Bonobo   Jan-19-09 10:46 PM   #133 
           - There are people on both sides who are utterly destroyed  Dreamer Tatum   Jan-19-09 10:50 PM   #137 
           - Okay.  Harvey Korman   Jan-19-09 10:50 PM   #138 
              - Well, you may be right.  Bonobo   Jan-19-09 10:52 PM   #140 
                 - Ha!  Harvey Korman   Jan-19-09 10:54 PM   #141 
  - those that were in favor of..  stillcool47   Jan-19-09 10:57 PM   #142 
  - I agree.  Undercurrent   Jan-19-09 11:06 PM   #145 
  - If you talk to them and convince them that the Democratic positions are  Lorien   Jan-19-09 11:10 PM   #148 
  - I guess so,  leftofthedial   Jan-19-09 11:11 PM   #149 
  - I disagree completely.  girl gone mad   Jan-19-09 11:40 PM   #155 
  - Hahahahahaha.  Evoman   Jan-19-09 11:41 PM   #156 
  - so stupid. nt  lionesspriyanka   Jan-20-09 04:47 AM   #158 
  - That's just a slogan. Its not true and never has been - nt  sampsonblk   Jan-20-09 08:01 AM   #161 
  - I wholeheartedly agree!  Th1onein   Jan-20-09 11:39 AM   #162 
 

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