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Mon Jan-19-09 09:44 PM
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| 74. What about the people in California? |
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do they have responsibility? Is there any way to gain support from the people who actually vote, or can any gay bashing preacher come into that state and garner support?
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| -For change to happen, the "other side" is EXACTLY who you must talk to. |
Bonobo |
Jan-19-09 08:57 PM |
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Fuck the "other side". |
Tilion |
Jan-19-09 08:58 PM |
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I agree! |
shintao |
Jan-19-09 10:03 PM |
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Tilion? |
shintao |
Jan-19-09 10:07 PM |
#94 |
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How many times does the distinction between TALK and HONOR need to be made? |
Harvey Korman |
Jan-19-09 08:59 PM |
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Distinction without a difference. |
Bonobo |
Jan-19-09 09:00 PM |
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No it isn't. |
Harvey Korman |
Jan-19-09 09:02 PM |
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Yes, Warren IS entitled to his own perspective. |
Bonobo |
Jan-19-09 09:06 PM |
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What? |
Harvey Korman |
Jan-19-09 09:08 PM |
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He is not on my pedestal. Is he on yours? No. So who exactly is putting him on a pedestal? |
Bonobo |
Jan-19-09 09:12 PM |
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Don't be so naive. People will see the inauguration, they'll see his association with BO, |
Harvey Korman |
Jan-19-09 09:16 PM |
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On the completely other hand... |
Bonobo |
Jan-19-09 09:18 PM |
#34 |
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His ideas are nothing new, and no one, least of all Obama will denounce him for them |
Harvey Korman |
Jan-19-09 09:23 PM |
#42 |
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I didn't say people should listen to his perspective. I said he had a right to it. |
Bonobo |
Jan-19-09 09:25 PM |
#45 |
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To even call it a perspective is a dangerous lie. |
Harvey Korman |
Jan-19-09 09:29 PM |
#50 |
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It doesn't matter what you call it. It exists anyway. |
Bonobo |
Jan-19-09 09:33 PM |
#54 |
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It does matter what you call it. |
Harvey Korman |
Jan-19-09 10:15 PM |
#103 |
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Was just discussing this with my daughter. |
elleng |
Jan-19-09 09:00 PM |
#3 |
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have we not fucking learned anything? |
Skittles |
Jan-19-09 09:00 PM |
#4 |
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Amen! |
Tilion |
Jan-19-09 09:02 PM |
#7 |
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That's what |
Andy823 |
Jan-19-09 09:04 PM |
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Thanks, Andy. |
elleng |
Jan-19-09 09:16 PM |
#30 |
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Funny, I want to say the exact same thing to you! |
Bonobo |
Jan-19-09 09:05 PM |
#11 |
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Shoving the other person's face in the fucking dirt? |
Harvey Korman |
Jan-19-09 09:06 PM |
#15 |
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No, we are winning. |
Bonobo |
Jan-19-09 09:08 PM |
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No, you seem determined to blame the people who are under attack |
Harvey Korman |
Jan-19-09 09:09 PM |
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Gay marriage is increasingly becoming inevitable. So how are we losing? |
Bonobo |
Jan-19-09 09:11 PM |
#21 |
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California. That's how! |
Harvey Korman |
Jan-19-09 09:12 PM |
#24 |
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It would not pass if the vote were tomorrow. And it will come up again, and soon. |
Bonobo |
Jan-19-09 09:13 PM |
#27 |
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And Rick Warren will be there to fight against it, with an even larger set of devotees |
Harvey Korman |
Jan-19-09 09:27 PM |
#46 |
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Totally wrong. |
Bonobo |
Jan-19-09 09:29 PM |
#49 |
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Hit a wall, did you? |
Harvey Korman |
Jan-19-09 09:29 PM |
#51 |
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Not really, but I can't figure why you think there would be more... |
Bonobo |
Jan-19-09 09:31 PM |
#53 |
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And Obama's own words were used to help pass Prop 8. |
Harvey Korman |
Jan-19-09 09:34 PM |
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I have reached a wall here on this point. But not on the larger point. |
Bonobo |
Jan-19-09 09:36 PM |
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We'll fight harder, have more on our side. |
NYC_SKP |
Jan-19-09 09:36 PM |
#60 |
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So far Democratic appeasement and fear of engagement on GLBT rights |
Harvey Korman |
Jan-19-09 09:46 PM |
#75 |
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What about the people in California? |
stillcool47 |
Jan-19-09 09:44 PM |
#74 |
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California's gonna come around, and it will be truth and reason that will turn it. |
NYC_SKP |
Jan-19-09 09:55 PM |
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I was shocked...never in a million years.. |
stillcool47 |
Jan-19-09 10:48 PM |
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The pro 8 ad campaign was huge and clever. |
NYC_SKP |
Jan-19-09 11:01 PM |
#144 |
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THE CALIFORNIA COURT THREW IT OUT ALREADY!! |
shintao |
Jan-19-09 10:20 PM |
#108 |
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What? No they didn't. |
Harvey Korman |
Jan-19-09 10:22 PM |
#110 |
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WHAT!!! Yes it did!!! :) |
shintao |
Jan-19-09 10:48 PM |
#136 |
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that's from May 2008 |
stillcool47 |
Jan-19-09 10:51 PM |
#139 |
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Ahhh. Me Bad!! |
shintao |
Jan-19-09 11:09 PM |
#147 |
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That's the original decision undone by Prop 8. |
Harvey Korman |
Jan-19-09 11:08 PM |
#146 |
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Obama kissing repuke ass will get us NOTHING |
Skittles |
Jan-19-09 09:08 PM |
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Invite them along, and if they don't want to come, sucks to be them |
Chulanowa |
Jan-19-09 09:35 PM |
#58 |
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Our way or the highway. Love it or leave it. Sure. nt |
Bonobo |
Jan-19-09 09:41 PM |
#70 |
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Not exactly |
Chulanowa |
Jan-19-09 09:46 PM |
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I agree with lots of what you said. Especially abvout what constitutes the center. |
Bonobo |
Jan-19-09 09:55 PM |
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Just wanted to say.. |
ravencalling |
Jan-20-09 07:25 AM |
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Out of curiosity, how do you propose we take back America from them? |
Hippo_Tron |
Jan-19-09 09:39 PM |
#66 |
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I thought we did when we won the presidency and solid majorities in both houses of Congress. |
Harvey Korman |
Jan-19-09 10:16 PM |
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Well we won them in part due to massive outreach efforts to religious voters |
Hippo_Tron |
Jan-19-09 10:19 PM |
#107 |
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LOL. |
Harvey Korman |
Jan-19-09 10:23 PM |
#113 |
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One step at a time........ |
shintao |
Jan-19-09 10:32 PM |
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PROSECUTE THE BASTARDS |
Skittles |
Jan-20-09 04:45 AM |
#157 |
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Absolutely! |
shintao |
Jan-19-09 10:14 PM |
#101 |
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No, we have learned nothing |
Lorien |
Jan-19-09 11:13 PM |
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Obama can kiss my Sweet Bippy! |
shintao |
Jan-19-09 11:20 PM |
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I agree with you, |
Andy823 |
Jan-19-09 09:01 PM |
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Winnings good. Thanks. |
geckosfeet |
Jan-19-09 09:03 PM |
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No it means |
Andy823 |
Jan-19-09 09:06 PM |
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Many of them have proved that they will not work with the other side. |
geckosfeet |
Jan-19-09 09:18 PM |
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Anyone with any experience with at-risk youth would agree with you. |
NYC_SKP |
Jan-19-09 09:05 PM |
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Thank you so much. |
Bonobo |
Jan-19-09 09:07 PM |
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Great post. |
Number23 |
Jan-19-09 09:13 PM |
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The republican party is dead. Bury them. |
Lint Head |
Jan-19-09 09:07 PM |
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No, the OP would rather resurrect them and pay heed to their "perspectives" |
Harvey Korman |
Jan-19-09 09:11 PM |
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Ridiculous and patently untrue. Now you are creating out of whole cloth. nt |
Bonobo |
Jan-19-09 09:13 PM |
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There's a word that persists here, |
elleng |
Jan-19-09 09:13 PM |
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True, that. |
NYC_SKP |
Jan-19-09 09:17 PM |
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To the naysayers, meeting hatred with hatred will never, ever, succeed. |
NYC_SKP |
Jan-19-09 09:13 PM |
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It's easy to be sanguine when you're not being attacked |
Harvey Korman |
Jan-19-09 09:18 PM |
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Rick Warren may not. But what if we can tear away 20% of his "followers"? Or even 10%? |
Bonobo |
Jan-19-09 09:21 PM |
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How can you possibly tear away his followers when you don't want to offend them |
Harvey Korman |
Jan-19-09 09:25 PM |
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Rather than "denouncing them", which would only force them to entrench their position... |
Bonobo |
Jan-19-09 09:28 PM |
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LOL. You really have no idea what we're dealing with. The kind of self-reinforcing mindfuck. |
Harvey Korman |
Jan-19-09 09:33 PM |
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Yes, some of them are just like that. But surely even you don't think it is all of them, do you? |
Bonobo |
Jan-19-09 09:38 PM |
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I can't say whether it is in fact all of them. |
Harvey Korman |
Jan-19-09 09:54 PM |
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Obama's approach is counterintuitive in that sense, I suppose. |
Bonobo |
Jan-19-09 10:01 PM |
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Making Warren more of a celebrity will help consolidate power behind him. |
Harvey Korman |
Jan-19-09 10:13 PM |
#99 |
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By all means, yes, reframe the issue. |
Bonobo |
Jan-19-09 10:19 PM |
#105 |
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There is no grey when it comes to equality. |
Harvey Korman |
Jan-19-09 10:31 PM |
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I agree. |
NYC_SKP |
Jan-19-09 09:30 PM |
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I also want to add that I agree. I do not understand how painful it must be, Harvey. |
Bonobo |
Jan-19-09 09:35 PM |
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Please don't condescend to me. |
Harvey Korman |
Jan-19-09 09:38 PM |
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I apologize if it came off that way. Not intended at all. |
Bonobo |
Jan-19-09 09:39 PM |
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I am not irrational. Quite the opposite. |
Harvey Korman |
Jan-19-09 09:35 PM |
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Again, I agree. |
NYC_SKP |
Jan-19-09 09:43 PM |
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You think that you represent progressives and liberals? |
Balderdash |
Jan-19-09 09:37 PM |
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Give me one thing to respect Warren for. |
Luminous Animal |
Jan-19-09 09:55 PM |
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Who said anything about respecting him? |
Bonobo |
Jan-19-09 10:09 PM |
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NYC_SKP |
Luminous Animal |
Jan-19-09 10:22 PM |
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Refusing to submit to bullying = "hatred" |
eridani |
Jan-19-09 10:27 PM |
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Executions seem to work just fine!! |
shintao |
Jan-19-09 11:15 PM |
#151 |
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How do you reason with people who are not reasonable in the first place? |
Sebastian Doyle |
Jan-19-09 09:17 PM |
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One essential logical fallacy in your thinking, if you will forgive me for saying so. |
Bonobo |
Jan-19-09 09:21 PM |
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Right on |
Hell_If_I_Know |
Jan-19-09 09:22 PM |
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Warren will not change... |
Luminous Animal |
Jan-19-09 10:15 PM |
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Any "sane" republicans that still existed probably are not Repukes anymore. |
Sebastian Doyle |
Jan-19-09 11:24 PM |
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Very good point, Bonobo |
Hell_If_I_Know |
Jan-19-09 09:21 PM |
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There it is! Take the issue, any issue; your issue whomever you are... |
bridgit |
Jan-19-09 09:21 PM |
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Yes indeed. |
Bonobo |
Jan-19-09 09:23 PM |
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Yep, peace, cheers, thanks *and* for you...'the big one'! |
bridgit |
Jan-19-09 09:27 PM |
#47 |
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Leviticus 20:13 |
JeffreyWilliamson |
Jan-19-09 09:37 PM |
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"They"? |
Bonobo |
Jan-19-09 09:40 PM |
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Yes "They"... |
JeffreyWilliamson |
Jan-19-09 09:46 PM |
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A really excellent point. Quite right. |
Bonobo |
Jan-19-09 09:49 PM |
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I'll concede that in a general sense, because I agree in that general sense... |
JeffreyWilliamson |
Jan-19-09 09:56 PM |
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Sounds like we really agree with each other. |
Bonobo |
Jan-19-09 10:08 PM |
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Okay, I'll not only concede a point, I'll agree... |
JeffreyWilliamson |
Jan-19-09 10:32 PM |
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You must be fucking joking |
TOJ |
Jan-19-09 09:39 PM |
#65 |
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If you want to pass legislation |
stillcool47 |
Jan-19-09 09:39 PM |
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YES, with one caveat: |
janx |
Jan-19-09 09:43 PM |
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Good point. |
Bonobo |
Jan-19-09 09:44 PM |
#73 |
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I understand and appreciate that! |
janx |
Jan-19-09 09:55 PM |
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The Art of Politics is lost |
stillcool47 |
Jan-19-09 09:46 PM |
#78 |
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Right, and it's not just politics. |
janx |
Jan-19-09 10:19 PM |
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many of them don't 'do' anything either.. |
stillcool47 |
Jan-19-09 11:01 PM |
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The truth and a lie are not two "sides" of the same issue. |
Harvey Korman |
Jan-19-09 10:04 PM |
#93 |
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First of all, the other side would not admit that they "hate" anyone. |
Bonobo |
Jan-19-09 10:14 PM |
#100 |
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We ARE better than they are. |
Harvey Korman |
Jan-19-09 10:21 PM |
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Again, totally agree. 100% percent. |
Bonobo |
Jan-19-09 10:24 PM |
#114 |
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This isn't therapy, this is politics. |
Harvey Korman |
Jan-19-09 10:29 PM |
#117 |
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Forgiveness doesn't have anything to do with it. Pragmatism does. |
Bonobo |
Jan-19-09 10:33 PM |
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I said it's not your place to forgive and to encourage empathy |
Harvey Korman |
Jan-19-09 10:39 PM |
#129 |
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I hear you loud and clear. |
Bonobo |
Jan-19-09 10:43 PM |
#131 |
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Why? We've reached no resolution. |
Harvey Korman |
Jan-19-09 10:45 PM |
#132 |
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No, we have not reached resolution. |
Bonobo |
Jan-19-09 10:48 PM |
#134 |
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It's not a different point of view; it's ignorance. |
janx |
Jan-19-09 10:28 PM |
#116 |
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While your point is well taken (obvious) |
HughMoran |
Jan-19-09 09:48 PM |
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I am sorry you don't like my style but that is really beside the point. |
Bonobo |
Jan-19-09 09:50 PM |
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I was teasing you |
HughMoran |
Jan-19-09 09:52 PM |
#82 |
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OK, but my OP was so short... |
Bonobo |
Jan-19-09 10:03 PM |
#91 |
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Well, I did start off by agreeing with you |
HughMoran |
Jan-19-09 10:07 PM |
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Talking to your own side has its occasional merits, too... |
PurityOfEssence |
Jan-19-09 10:01 PM |
#90 |
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Obama is uniting the nation... |
Life Long Dem |
Jan-19-09 10:10 PM |
#98 |
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I TOTALLY agree with you! |
RichGirl |
Jan-19-09 10:23 PM |
#112 |
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Some things aren't up for discussion such as the Constitution, |
mmonk |
Jan-19-09 10:29 PM |
#118 |
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Unless you are ready to kill, EVERYTHING is up for discussion. nt |
Bonobo |
Jan-19-09 10:38 PM |
#127 |
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I will not bend over and kiss any tyrant's ass. Sorry. |
mmonk |
Jan-20-09 07:57 AM |
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Not when the other side has ZERO interest in changing |
dbackjon |
Jan-19-09 10:31 PM |
#119 |
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Again I ask: Are you sure that "THEY" will never change? |
Bonobo |
Jan-19-09 10:35 PM |
#124 |
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Not really. having dealt with these assholes all my life |
dbackjon |
Jan-19-09 11:38 PM |
#154 |
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I hate to burst your bubble |
Dreamer Tatum |
Jan-19-09 10:36 PM |
#125 |
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Whew! A clear thinker! Bravo! |
Bonobo |
Jan-19-09 10:38 PM |
#126 |
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Just doin' my part nt |
Dreamer Tatum |
Jan-19-09 10:39 PM |
#128 |
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As opposed to the unclear thinkers who don't agree with you? |
Harvey Korman |
Jan-19-09 10:42 PM |
#130 |
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Obviously... |
Bonobo |
Jan-19-09 10:46 PM |
#133 |
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There are people on both sides who are utterly destroyed |
Dreamer Tatum |
Jan-19-09 10:50 PM |
#137 |
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Okay. |
Harvey Korman |
Jan-19-09 10:50 PM |
#138 |
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Well, you may be right. |
Bonobo |
Jan-19-09 10:52 PM |
#140 |
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Ha! |
Harvey Korman |
Jan-19-09 10:54 PM |
#141 |
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those that were in favor of.. |
stillcool47 |
Jan-19-09 10:57 PM |
#142 |
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I agree. |
Undercurrent |
Jan-19-09 11:06 PM |
#145 |
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If you talk to them and convince them that the Democratic positions are |
Lorien |
Jan-19-09 11:10 PM |
#148 |
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I guess so, |
leftofthedial |
Jan-19-09 11:11 PM |
#149 |
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I disagree completely. |
girl gone mad |
Jan-19-09 11:40 PM |
#155 |
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Hahahahahaha. |
Evoman |
Jan-19-09 11:41 PM |
#156 |
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so stupid. nt |
lionesspriyanka |
Jan-20-09 04:47 AM |
#158 |
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That's just a slogan. Its not true and never has been - nt |
sampsonblk |
Jan-20-09 08:01 AM |
#161 |
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I wholeheartedly agree! |
Th1onein |
Jan-20-09 11:39 AM |
#162 |
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