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EFerrari Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Jan-19-09 11:46 PM
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141. I think HC got some intelligence that some faction in our government
is again working with the opposition to tank the referendum. It's just another day at the office.

Obama seems to have little grasp of Latin America, imo. He fits into the group of people who diss Chavez but never mention Uribe. But, JFK had just as little and he learned and did better as his term progressed.
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  -Venezuela's Chavez says Obama has "stench" of Bush cali  Jan-18-09 03:21 AM   #0 
  - That's because he has to create an enemy to rule with an iron fist.  LoZoccolo   Jan-18-09 03:29 AM   #1 
  - He refused to renew their licence after they  Steepler0t   Jan-18-09 03:37 AM   #3 
  - Nope, yer thinking of the wrong thing.  LoZoccolo   Jan-18-09 03:40 AM   #4 
     - The guy who was to take power  Steepler0t   Jan-18-09 03:42 AM   #5 
     - Nope.  LoZoccolo   Jan-18-09 03:44 AM   #6 
        - I recommend the movie  Steepler0t   Jan-18-09 03:47 AM   #7 
           - I've seen that part, and the part where he uses the phrase "up the spout".  LoZoccolo   Jan-18-09 03:49 AM   #8 
              - That is not the part  Steepler0t   Jan-18-09 04:08 AM   #9 
                 - I think you have it dead on. We will see. I suspect, however, more of the same.  IsItJustMe   Jan-18-09 10:26 AM   #38 
     - LoZoccalo, it is well documented that RCTV hosted meetings of the coup plotters,  Peace Patriot   Jan-22-09 05:00 PM   #159 
  - I like Obama a great deal,  Malidictus Maximus   Jan-18-09 11:57 AM   #55 
  - Correct. Chavez may be a leftist, but he is also an authoritarian asshole.  anonymous171   Jan-18-09 11:46 PM   #125 
     - i agree  mrs_p   Jan-19-09 12:02 AM   #128 
     - "Authoritarian asshole"? Please defend.  Peace Patriot   Jan-22-09 05:13 PM   #164 
  - Well,  Steepler0t   Jan-18-09 03:31 AM   #2 
  - Obama is for redrafting NAFTA  cali   Jan-18-09 04:50 AM   #10 
  - I like Chavez better than I do Obama  Larkspur   Jan-18-09 07:15 AM   #11 
     - there's no accounting for taste  cali   Jan-18-09 07:25 AM   #12 
     - Or sanity  NoPasaran   Jan-18-09 11:14 AM   #43 
     - Deleted message  Name removed   Jan-18-09 02:47 PM   #75 
        - What a load.  Elrond Hubbard   Jan-18-09 03:58 PM   #91 
     - Why are you here?  RichGirl   Jan-18-09 07:33 AM   #14 
     - never underestimate how much some bitter folks like  cali   Jan-18-09 07:46 AM   #15 
     - What am I bitter about?  Larkspur   Jan-18-09 02:44 PM   #74 
     - We have some Stalinists and Trotskyists here. n/t  geek tragedy   Jan-18-09 10:03 AM   #36 
     - pumskies?  dionysus   Jan-18-09 01:04 PM   #60 
     - The only Democratic leader I'd go to Hell and back for is  Larkspur   Jan-18-09 02:55 PM   #77 
     - Schweitzer is also a big supporter of Chavez  grantcart   Jan-18-09 03:59 PM   #92 
     - Actually he refers to Chavez as one of his Petro-dictators  Larkspur   Jan-18-09 05:07 PM   #110 
     - The problem is that America has to change its policy about Latin America  Cleita   Jan-18-09 04:25 PM   #102 
     - Agree with you.  Larkspur   Jan-18-09 05:08 PM   #111 
     - Brian Schweitzer hates your hero Hugo.  geek tragedy   Jan-18-09 05:37 PM   #118 
        - I said in another post that Schweitzer called Chavez a Petro-dictator  Larkspur   Jan-19-09 11:41 PM   #139 
     - socialist =/= Stalinist  RadicalTexan   Jan-19-09 07:26 PM   #136 
        - Ummm. No.  clear eye   Jan-25-09 02:06 PM   #167 
     - Why are you here?  Larkspur   Jan-18-09 02:36 PM   #68 
     - It's all settled then... all you need to do is...  Butch350   Jan-22-09 04:44 PM   #158 
     - Well, I think we can be carried away on the moment, and appreciative of Obama  Peace Patriot   Jan-22-09 06:03 PM   #166 
     - Agree, but I am open to see what Obama will do. He could still be a great leader  harun   Jan-18-09 07:55 AM   #16 
     - Chavez also wants to be president forever and block the press  Jennicut   Jan-18-09 09:28 AM   #28 
     - Some folks here favor authoritarianism as long as it is used to establish a  Katzenkavalier   Jan-18-09 09:47 AM   #31 
     - really sad, but nothing new for the American left  cali   Jan-18-09 09:49 AM   #32 
        - That's changing with Obama.  Radical Activist   Jan-18-09 11:50 AM   #51 
           - That's it  WesDem   Jan-18-09 02:58 PM   #79 
           - That was very well stated ...  RoyGBiv   Jan-18-09 04:35 PM   #105 
           - Huh?  Mika   Jan-19-09 02:08 AM   #130 
              - For example  Radical Activist   Jan-19-09 01:03 PM   #134 
                 - The grass roots approach you describe sounds like the Cuban system.  Mika   Jan-19-09 07:20 PM   #135 
                    - Very interesting parallel to make.  Radical Activist   Jan-21-09 11:54 AM   #146 
     - Get your facts correct before you spout lies  Larkspur   Jan-18-09 02:38 PM   #69 
        - Details details.  Mika   Jan-19-09 02:13 AM   #131 
     - That's some bad taste right there.  Katzenkavalier   Jan-18-09 09:45 AM   #30 
     - Hugo Chavez is a hero to most of his people  Larkspur   Jan-18-09 02:40 PM   #71 
        - What planet are you on?  Radical Activist   Jan-18-09 05:27 PM   #115 
           - I'm the secretary of my town's Democratic Town Committee  Larkspur   Jan-19-09 11:42 PM   #140 
     - WHAT? Is this a joke?  BrentTaylor   Jan-18-09 09:58 AM   #33 
     - So, you like Communist Strongmen moreso than mainstream  geek tragedy   Jan-18-09 10:03 AM   #35 
        - Hugo Chavez was democratically elected twice by his people  Larkspur   Jan-18-09 02:43 PM   #73 
        - Chavez now hates Barack Obama.  geek tragedy   Jan-18-09 05:33 PM   #117 
        -'s not the 50's anymore.  Forkboy   Jan-18-09 03:38 PM   #85 
           - Not the 1920's either, Comrade. n/t  geek tragedy   Jan-18-09 05:32 PM   #116 
              - You're so wrong about me you do us both a disservice.  Forkboy   Jan-18-09 09:05 PM   #122 
  - Obama voted against CAFTA and has always supported FAIR trade.  Radical Activist   Jan-18-09 11:43 AM   #48 
     - Obama voted for the Peru free trade Act and Obama still says he supports free trade  Larkspur   Jan-18-09 02:41 PM   #72 
        - He mentions his support for fair trade often  Radical Activist   Jan-18-09 03:33 PM   #83 
           - I based my opinions on Obama's free trade policies from what I heard coming out of his mouth  Larkspur   Jan-18-09 05:10 PM   #112 
              - I just provided a link and another reference that proves your claim wrong.  Radical Activist   Jan-18-09 05:15 PM   #114 
                 - Because I heard it on TV, not read it in an article  Larkspur   Jan-19-09 11:35 PM   #138 
  - What a class act.  camera__obscura   Jan-18-09 07:28 AM   #13 
  - Lula apoya a Chvez en su intencin de ser candidato presidencial en 2012  struggle4progress   Jan-18-09 08:06 AM   #17 
  - Uh, do you have this in the original Spanish? I'm not finding it  struggle4progress   Jan-18-09 08:12 AM   #18 
  - kick for your question n/t  slipslidingaway   Jan-18-09 08:52 AM   #19 
  - No. Why should I?  cali   Jan-18-09 08:53 AM   #20 
  - Hmmm. That pretty much tells me what I needed to know.  struggle4progress   Jan-18-09 09:13 AM   #22 
     - whatever. it's a reuter's story  cali   Jan-18-09 09:16 AM   #25 
     - It's just seems odd that only a translation statement of the statement is available,  struggle4progress   Jan-18-09 12:55 PM   #58 
     - that someone's opinoin isn't valid if they don't speak spanish?  Radical Activist   Jan-18-09 11:52 AM   #53 
        - How ironic! Starting from my cryptic statement, you apparently fabricate a quote from me  struggle4progress   Jan-18-09 01:18 PM   #61 
           - If you were worried about being misinterpreted  Radical Activist   Jan-18-09 02:11 PM   #64 
              - This sidebar is going nowhere, so instead of continuing it, I'll direct you to #90  struggle4progress   Jan-18-09 04:05 PM   #96 
  - Here's an article from the Venezuelan paper "El Universal"  camera__obscura   Jan-18-09 09:16 AM   #24 
     - Thanks. It does not appear to refer to any "stench." It does, however,  struggle4progress   Jan-18-09 01:25 PM   #62 
     - Searching the English language page of El Universal is producing some odd results:  struggle4progress   Jan-18-09 03:57 PM   #90 
        - Update  struggle4progress   Jan-19-09 02:31 AM   #133 
  - Chavez says Obama "throwing stones" at Venezuela  slipslidingaway   Jan-18-09 09:10 AM   #21 
  - Chavez: Obama Is Confusing Me with Bush  slipslidingaway   Jan-18-09 09:14 AM   #23 
  - So, now being anti-Chavez is being anti-Venezuela.  geek tragedy   Jan-18-09 10:05 AM   #37 
  - Did Venezuela's Opposition Meet with US Officials in Puerto Rico?  slipslidingaway   Jan-18-09 09:20 AM   #26 
  - I'm wondering what Chavez gets out of saying this? What's his agenda?  Waiting For Everyman   Jan-18-09 09:27 AM   #27 
  - I don't think there's much doubt that Chavez likes media attention  cali   Jan-18-09 09:32 AM   #29 
  - Seems pretty clear to me. Chavez does not like what Obama has said about him. Honestly, would you?  IsItJustMe   Jan-18-09 11:04 AM   #39 
  - It's not an olive branch, it's a shitbomb.  oktoberain   Jan-18-09 11:13 AM   #42 
  - Name calling and accusations only place place people further in their own corners and never helps to  IsItJustMe   Jan-18-09 11:22 AM   #44 
  - Well then we disagree vehemently.  oktoberain   Jan-18-09 02:13 PM   #65 
     - And what would Chavez have to do to prove himself? Shoot himself in the head and replace himself  Evoman   Jan-19-09 11:47 PM   #142 
  - That's impression I got from it too.  Waiting For Everyman   Jan-18-09 12:01 PM   #56 
  - bwahahaha.  cali   Jan-18-09 11:26 AM   #45 
     - Chavez says there is still time to salvage the situation. That to me is an olive branch. You may  IsItJustMe   Jan-18-09 11:31 AM   #46 
        - uh, saying publicly that Obama has the same stench as bush is a grave insult  cali   Jan-18-09 11:41 AM   #47 
           - Chicken or the egg. Obama said this and Chavez said that. This type of dialog can go on forever  IsItJustMe   Jan-18-09 11:49 AM   #50 
  - Democratic Presidents don't have a history  Radical Activist   Jan-18-09 11:45 AM   #49 
  - That was the Cold War, though  Hippo_Tron   Jan-18-09 02:24 PM   #66 
     - He's done something alright.  Radical Activist   Jan-18-09 02:31 PM   #67 
        - Saudi Arabia also sells oil to people we don't like  Hippo_Tron   Jan-18-09 02:52 PM   #76 
           - manifest destiny  Radical Activist   Jan-18-09 03:25 PM   #82 
              - Does that mean we should kick around Latin America all we want?  Hippo_Tron   Jan-18-09 03:41 PM   #86 
                 - No, I'm not attempting to justify it.  Radical Activist   Jan-18-09 03:47 PM   #89 
                    - Less hostile is fine by me  Hippo_Tron   Jan-18-09 04:05 PM   #95 
                       - I have more hope for Evo Morales.  Radical Activist   Jan-18-09 04:09 PM   #97 
  - His agenda is hegemony over the Southern Hemisphere  theboss   Jan-22-09 05:02 PM   #161 
  - Poor Hugo. With Bush gone, sympathy for his authoritarian  geek tragedy   Jan-18-09 10:02 AM   #34 
  - Not on DU apparently. nt  anonymous171   Jan-18-09 11:49 PM   #126 
  - Every dictator needs both an internal and an external enemy.  Occam Bandage   Jan-18-09 11:08 AM   #40 
  - Chavez isn't a dictator  harun   Jan-18-09 11:52 AM   #54 
     - ok, every democratically elected thug trying to change his country's constitution to remain in power  wyldwolf   Jan-18-09 12:04 PM   #57 
        - If Chavez was really a thug, he's use the military to take absolute power  Larkspur   Jan-18-09 02:57 PM   #78 
        - Give him time  Teaser   Jan-18-09 04:24 PM   #101 
        - Keep basing your world view on what CNN tells you, see how that works out for you.  harun   Jan-18-09 04:12 PM   #98 
           - keep basing your world view on what... hmmm... where DO you get your info?  wyldwolf   Jan-18-09 04:39 PM   #107 
  - Well, I disagree, there just ain't no  zidzi   Jan-18-09 11:12 AM   #41 
  - K&R  IsItJustMe   Jan-18-09 11:51 AM   #52 
  - Chavez has the stench of a tyrannical demogogue. n/t  Odin2005   Jan-18-09 12:57 PM   #59 
  - Hugo has the stench of someone who misses $100/bbl. oil  BeyondGeography   Jan-18-09 02:05 PM   #63 
  - stay classy, Chavez  Truth Hurts A Lot   Jan-18-09 02:39 PM   #70 
  - Hugo ~ n/t  bridgit   Jan-18-09 03:15 PM   #80 
  - what an ass  tigereye   Jan-18-09 03:16 PM   #81 
  - I'm happy to say I've never been that impressed by Chavez. He can choke on it.  Veganistan   Jan-18-09 03:35 PM   #84 
  - Some of the propaganda in this thread from both sides would make Chavez and Obama both blush.  Forkboy   Jan-18-09 03:43 PM   #87 
  - sure, but what's really interesting is Chavez  cali   Jan-18-09 03:45 PM   #88 
     - See #90: Venezuela media was reporting that Obama had accused Chavez of  struggle4progress   Jan-18-09 04:00 PM   #93 
     - I also looked for recent comments from Obama in regards to  slipslidingaway   Jan-18-09 07:16 PM   #120 
     - Update  struggle4progress   Jan-19-09 02:31 AM   #132 
     - Makes sense on numerous levels.  Forkboy   Jan-18-09 04:16 PM   #99 
        - I don't think Chavez is a dictator.  Elrond Hubbard   Jan-18-09 04:19 PM   #100 
        - LOL....I don't think he says much of anything without a purpose.  Forkboy   Jan-18-09 04:36 PM   #106 
           - Nice post, Fidel!  MPK   Jan-18-09 04:49 PM   #108 
        - I think HC got some intelligence that some faction in our government  sfexpat2000   Jan-19-09 11:46 PM   #141 
  - I've never liked Chavez all that much. This is just more reason not to like him.  Elrond Hubbard   Jan-18-09 04:04 PM   #94 
  - Well, he has a point about "the empire" - let's hope Obama survives it.  polichick   Jan-18-09 04:28 PM   #103 
  - Good fricking day to you, too Chavez..  mariawr   Jan-18-09 04:31 PM   #104 
  - Hey, Chvez, STFU, we don't care about you and your new babana Republic  Roberto1223   Jan-18-09 04:50 PM   #109 
  - America is more an banana republic than Venezuela  Larkspur   Jan-18-09 05:12 PM   #113 
     - However, we still have the right to change Presidents peacefully, not like  Roberto1223   Jan-18-09 05:43 PM   #119 
        - The Venezuela of 1989, when the President Carlos Andres Perez had his forces fire into crowds  Judi Lynn   Jan-18-09 07:42 PM   #121 
        - Chavez is not using guns to change the Constitution  Larkspur   Jan-19-09 11:34 PM   #137 
        - WTF are you talking about  Every Man A King   Jan-20-09 10:53 AM   #145 
  - I respect what Chavez has done for his country but this is messed up how does he expect things to>  cooolandrew   Jan-18-09 11:45 PM   #123 
  - I respect what Chavez has done for his country but this is messed up how does he expect things to>  cooolandrew   Jan-18-09 11:45 PM   #124 
  - i'm sorry, but i do not  mrs_p   Jan-19-09 12:01 AM   #127 
  - Chavez speaks the truth. n/t  Lilith Velkor   Jan-19-09 01:13 AM   #129 
  - Psh, I called this seven months ago.  tritsofme   Jan-20-09 12:09 AM   #143 
  - That's how you define "calling" something?  bitchkitty   Jan-20-09 10:45 AM   #144 
  - Good call, what do you think is behind Chavez's rhetoric? Obama isn't the "normal" I don't see the..  uponit7771   Jan-21-09 01:14 PM   #148 
  - Well played, my friend  theboss   Jan-22-09 05:04 PM   #162 
  - God He's Such A Piece Of Shit. Fuck That Pig Chavez.  OPERATIONMINDCRIME   Jan-21-09 12:08 PM   #147 
  - This shouldn't surprise anyone  rl6214   Jan-21-09 01:21 PM   #149 
  - Blow it out your ass Hugo!  ronnykmarshall   Jan-21-09 01:42 PM   #150 
  - Well, Chavez has the "stench" of a dictator. nt  PM7nj   Jan-21-09 01:48 PM   #151 
  - There sure is a lot of misinformation in this thread about Chavez and Venezuela.  Peace Patriot   Jan-22-09 05:08 AM   #152 
  - your posts are like nuggets of gold  subsuelo   Jan-22-09 03:48 PM   #154 
  - Chavez is a dictator pretending to be a populist.  specialed   Jan-22-09 05:42 AM   #153 
  - Welcome to DU, specialed! Please explain your prediction.  Peace Patriot   Jan-22-09 04:22 PM   #156 
  - Fuck that pig.  jefferson_dem   Jan-22-09 04:01 PM   #155 
  - Let's see how Venezuela does with oil prices where they are.  Zynx   Jan-22-09 04:24 PM   #157 
  - And with that, everyone will finally agree with me about Chavez  theboss   Jan-22-09 05:01 PM   #160 
  - If he thinks Obama has "stench" of Bush, he's obviously been sniffing too much...  ALiberalSailor   Jan-22-09 05:04 PM   #163 
  - Chavez = Attention Whore. Pay him no mind.  damonm   Jan-22-09 05:17 PM   #165 

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