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Lilith Velkor Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Jan-19-09 01:13 AM
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129. Chavez speaks the truth. n/t
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  -Venezuela's Chavez says Obama has "stench" of Bush cali  Jan-18-09 03:21 AM   #0 
  - That's because he has to create an enemy to rule with an iron fist.  LoZoccolo   Jan-18-09 03:29 AM   #1 
  - He refused to renew their licence after they  Steepler0t   Jan-18-09 03:37 AM   #3 
  - Nope, yer thinking of the wrong thing.  LoZoccolo   Jan-18-09 03:40 AM   #4 
     - The guy who was to take power  Steepler0t   Jan-18-09 03:42 AM   #5 
     - Nope.  LoZoccolo   Jan-18-09 03:44 AM   #6 
        - I recommend the movie  Steepler0t   Jan-18-09 03:47 AM   #7 
           - I've seen that part, and the part where he uses the phrase "up the spout".  LoZoccolo   Jan-18-09 03:49 AM   #8 
              - That is not the part  Steepler0t   Jan-18-09 04:08 AM   #9 
                 - I think you have it dead on. We will see. I suspect, however, more of the same.  IsItJustMe   Jan-18-09 10:26 AM   #38 
     - LoZoccalo, it is well documented that RCTV hosted meetings of the coup plotters,  Peace Patriot   Jan-22-09 05:00 PM   #159 
  - I like Obama a great deal,  Malidictus Maximus   Jan-18-09 11:57 AM   #55 
  - Correct. Chavez may be a leftist, but he is also an authoritarian asshole.  anonymous171   Jan-18-09 11:46 PM   #125 
     - i agree  mrs_p   Jan-19-09 12:02 AM   #128 
     - "Authoritarian asshole"? Please defend.  Peace Patriot   Jan-22-09 05:13 PM   #164 
  - Well,  Steepler0t   Jan-18-09 03:31 AM   #2 
  - Obama is for redrafting NAFTA  cali   Jan-18-09 04:50 AM   #10 
  - I like Chavez better than I do Obama  Larkspur   Jan-18-09 07:15 AM   #11 
     - there's no accounting for taste  cali   Jan-18-09 07:25 AM   #12 
     - Or sanity  NoPasaran   Jan-18-09 11:14 AM   #43 
     - Deleted message  Name removed   Jan-18-09 02:47 PM   #75 
        - What a load.  Elrond Hubbard   Jan-18-09 03:58 PM   #91 
     - Why are you here?  RichGirl   Jan-18-09 07:33 AM   #14 
     - never underestimate how much some bitter folks like  cali   Jan-18-09 07:46 AM   #15 
     - What am I bitter about?  Larkspur   Jan-18-09 02:44 PM   #74 
     - We have some Stalinists and Trotskyists here. n/t  geek tragedy   Jan-18-09 10:03 AM   #36 
     - pumskies?  dionysus   Jan-18-09 01:04 PM   #60 
     - The only Democratic leader I'd go to Hell and back for is  Larkspur   Jan-18-09 02:55 PM   #77 
     - Schweitzer is also a big supporter of Chavez  grantcart   Jan-18-09 03:59 PM   #92 
     - Actually he refers to Chavez as one of his Petro-dictators  Larkspur   Jan-18-09 05:07 PM   #110 
     - The problem is that America has to change its policy about Latin America  Cleita   Jan-18-09 04:25 PM   #102 
     - Agree with you.  Larkspur   Jan-18-09 05:08 PM   #111 
     - Brian Schweitzer hates your hero Hugo.  geek tragedy   Jan-18-09 05:37 PM   #118 
        - I said in another post that Schweitzer called Chavez a Petro-dictator  Larkspur   Jan-19-09 11:41 PM   #139 
     - socialist =/= Stalinist  RadicalTexan   Jan-19-09 07:26 PM   #136 
        - Ummm. No.  clear eye   Jan-25-09 02:06 PM   #167 
     - Why are you here?  Larkspur   Jan-18-09 02:36 PM   #68 
     - It's all settled then... all you need to do is...  Butch350   Jan-22-09 04:44 PM   #158 
     - Well, I think we can be carried away on the moment, and appreciative of Obama  Peace Patriot   Jan-22-09 06:03 PM   #166 
     - Agree, but I am open to see what Obama will do. He could still be a great leader  harun   Jan-18-09 07:55 AM   #16 
     - Chavez also wants to be president forever and block the press  Jennicut   Jan-18-09 09:28 AM   #28 
     - Some folks here favor authoritarianism as long as it is used to establish a  Katzenkavalier   Jan-18-09 09:47 AM   #31 
     - really sad, but nothing new for the American left  cali   Jan-18-09 09:49 AM   #32 
        - That's changing with Obama.  Radical Activist   Jan-18-09 11:50 AM   #51 
           - That's it  WesDem   Jan-18-09 02:58 PM   #79 
           - That was very well stated ...  RoyGBiv   Jan-18-09 04:35 PM   #105 
           - Huh?  Mika   Jan-19-09 02:08 AM   #130 
              - For example  Radical Activist   Jan-19-09 01:03 PM   #134 
                 - The grass roots approach you describe sounds like the Cuban system.  Mika   Jan-19-09 07:20 PM   #135 
                    - Very interesting parallel to make.  Radical Activist   Jan-21-09 11:54 AM   #146 
     - Get your facts correct before you spout lies  Larkspur   Jan-18-09 02:38 PM   #69 
        - Details details.  Mika   Jan-19-09 02:13 AM   #131 
     - That's some bad taste right there.  Katzenkavalier   Jan-18-09 09:45 AM   #30 
     - Hugo Chavez is a hero to most of his people  Larkspur   Jan-18-09 02:40 PM   #71 
        - What planet are you on?  Radical Activist   Jan-18-09 05:27 PM   #115 
           - I'm the secretary of my town's Democratic Town Committee  Larkspur   Jan-19-09 11:42 PM   #140 
     - WHAT? Is this a joke?  BrentTaylor   Jan-18-09 09:58 AM   #33 
     - So, you like Communist Strongmen moreso than mainstream  geek tragedy   Jan-18-09 10:03 AM   #35 
        - Hugo Chavez was democratically elected twice by his people  Larkspur   Jan-18-09 02:43 PM   #73 
        - Chavez now hates Barack Obama.  geek tragedy   Jan-18-09 05:33 PM   #117 
        -'s not the 50's anymore.  Forkboy   Jan-18-09 03:38 PM   #85 
           - Not the 1920's either, Comrade. n/t  geek tragedy   Jan-18-09 05:32 PM   #116 
              - You're so wrong about me you do us both a disservice.  Forkboy   Jan-18-09 09:05 PM   #122 
  - Obama voted against CAFTA and has always supported FAIR trade.  Radical Activist   Jan-18-09 11:43 AM   #48 
     - Obama voted for the Peru free trade Act and Obama still says he supports free trade  Larkspur   Jan-18-09 02:41 PM   #72 
        - He mentions his support for fair trade often  Radical Activist   Jan-18-09 03:33 PM   #83 
           - I based my opinions on Obama's free trade policies from what I heard coming out of his mouth  Larkspur   Jan-18-09 05:10 PM   #112 
              - I just provided a link and another reference that proves your claim wrong.  Radical Activist   Jan-18-09 05:15 PM   #114 
                 - Because I heard it on TV, not read it in an article  Larkspur   Jan-19-09 11:35 PM   #138 
  - What a class act.  camera__obscura   Jan-18-09 07:28 AM   #13 
  - Lula apoya a Chvez en su intencin de ser candidato presidencial en 2012  struggle4progress   Jan-18-09 08:06 AM   #17 
  - Uh, do you have this in the original Spanish? I'm not finding it  struggle4progress   Jan-18-09 08:12 AM   #18 
  - kick for your question n/t  slipslidingaway   Jan-18-09 08:52 AM   #19 
  - No. Why should I?  cali   Jan-18-09 08:53 AM   #20 
  - Hmmm. That pretty much tells me what I needed to know.  struggle4progress   Jan-18-09 09:13 AM   #22 
     - whatever. it's a reuter's story  cali   Jan-18-09 09:16 AM   #25 
     - It's just seems odd that only a translation statement of the statement is available,  struggle4progress   Jan-18-09 12:55 PM   #58 
     - that someone's opinoin isn't valid if they don't speak spanish?  Radical Activist   Jan-18-09 11:52 AM   #53 
        - How ironic! Starting from my cryptic statement, you apparently fabricate a quote from me  struggle4progress   Jan-18-09 01:18 PM   #61 
           - If you were worried about being misinterpreted  Radical Activist   Jan-18-09 02:11 PM   #64 
              - This sidebar is going nowhere, so instead of continuing it, I'll direct you to #90  struggle4progress   Jan-18-09 04:05 PM   #96 
  - Here's an article from the Venezuelan paper "El Universal"  camera__obscura   Jan-18-09 09:16 AM   #24 
     - Thanks. It does not appear to refer to any "stench." It does, however,  struggle4progress   Jan-18-09 01:25 PM   #62 
     - Searching the English language page of El Universal is producing some odd results:  struggle4progress   Jan-18-09 03:57 PM   #90 
        - Update  struggle4progress   Jan-19-09 02:31 AM   #133 
  - Chavez says Obama "throwing stones" at Venezuela  slipslidingaway   Jan-18-09 09:10 AM   #21 
  - Chavez: Obama Is Confusing Me with Bush  slipslidingaway   Jan-18-09 09:14 AM   #23 
  - So, now being anti-Chavez is being anti-Venezuela.  geek tragedy   Jan-18-09 10:05 AM   #37 
  - Did Venezuela's Opposition Meet with US Officials in Puerto Rico?  slipslidingaway   Jan-18-09 09:20 AM   #26 
  - I'm wondering what Chavez gets out of saying this? What's his agenda?  Waiting For Everyman   Jan-18-09 09:27 AM   #27 
  - I don't think there's much doubt that Chavez likes media attention  cali   Jan-18-09 09:32 AM   #29 
  - Seems pretty clear to me. Chavez does not like what Obama has said about him. Honestly, would you?  IsItJustMe   Jan-18-09 11:04 AM   #39 
  - It's not an olive branch, it's a shitbomb.  oktoberain   Jan-18-09 11:13 AM   #42 
  - Name calling and accusations only place place people further in their own corners and never helps to  IsItJustMe   Jan-18-09 11:22 AM   #44 
  - Well then we disagree vehemently.  oktoberain   Jan-18-09 02:13 PM   #65 
     - And what would Chavez have to do to prove himself? Shoot himself in the head and replace himself  Evoman   Jan-19-09 11:47 PM   #142 
  - That's impression I got from it too.  Waiting For Everyman   Jan-18-09 12:01 PM   #56 
  - bwahahaha.  cali   Jan-18-09 11:26 AM   #45 
     - Chavez says there is still time to salvage the situation. That to me is an olive branch. You may  IsItJustMe   Jan-18-09 11:31 AM   #46 
        - uh, saying publicly that Obama has the same stench as bush is a grave insult  cali   Jan-18-09 11:41 AM   #47 
           - Chicken or the egg. Obama said this and Chavez said that. This type of dialog can go on forever  IsItJustMe   Jan-18-09 11:49 AM   #50 
  - Democratic Presidents don't have a history  Radical Activist   Jan-18-09 11:45 AM   #49 
  - That was the Cold War, though  Hippo_Tron   Jan-18-09 02:24 PM   #66 
     - He's done something alright.  Radical Activist   Jan-18-09 02:31 PM   #67 
        - Saudi Arabia also sells oil to people we don't like  Hippo_Tron   Jan-18-09 02:52 PM   #76 
           - manifest destiny  Radical Activist   Jan-18-09 03:25 PM   #82 
              - Does that mean we should kick around Latin America all we want?  Hippo_Tron   Jan-18-09 03:41 PM   #86 
                 - No, I'm not attempting to justify it.  Radical Activist   Jan-18-09 03:47 PM   #89 
                    - Less hostile is fine by me  Hippo_Tron   Jan-18-09 04:05 PM   #95 
                       - I have more hope for Evo Morales.  Radical Activist   Jan-18-09 04:09 PM   #97 
  - His agenda is hegemony over the Southern Hemisphere  theboss   Jan-22-09 05:02 PM   #161 
  - Poor Hugo. With Bush gone, sympathy for his authoritarian  geek tragedy   Jan-18-09 10:02 AM   #34 
  - Not on DU apparently. nt  anonymous171   Jan-18-09 11:49 PM   #126 
  - Every dictator needs both an internal and an external enemy.  Occam Bandage   Jan-18-09 11:08 AM   #40 
  - Chavez isn't a dictator  harun   Jan-18-09 11:52 AM   #54 
     - ok, every democratically elected thug trying to change his country's constitution to remain in power  wyldwolf   Jan-18-09 12:04 PM   #57 
        - If Chavez was really a thug, he's use the military to take absolute power  Larkspur   Jan-18-09 02:57 PM   #78 
        - Give him time  Teaser   Jan-18-09 04:24 PM   #101 
        - Keep basing your world view on what CNN tells you, see how that works out for you.  harun   Jan-18-09 04:12 PM   #98 
           - keep basing your world view on what... hmmm... where DO you get your info?  wyldwolf   Jan-18-09 04:39 PM   #107 
  - Well, I disagree, there just ain't no  zidzi   Jan-18-09 11:12 AM   #41 
  - K&R  IsItJustMe   Jan-18-09 11:51 AM   #52 
  - Chavez has the stench of a tyrannical demogogue. n/t  Odin2005   Jan-18-09 12:57 PM   #59 
  - Hugo has the stench of someone who misses $100/bbl. oil  BeyondGeography   Jan-18-09 02:05 PM   #63 
  - stay classy, Chavez  Truth Hurts A Lot   Jan-18-09 02:39 PM   #70 
  - Hugo ~ n/t  bridgit   Jan-18-09 03:15 PM   #80 
  - what an ass  tigereye   Jan-18-09 03:16 PM   #81 
  - I'm happy to say I've never been that impressed by Chavez. He can choke on it.  Veganistan   Jan-18-09 03:35 PM   #84 
  - Some of the propaganda in this thread from both sides would make Chavez and Obama both blush.  Forkboy   Jan-18-09 03:43 PM   #87 
  - sure, but what's really interesting is Chavez  cali   Jan-18-09 03:45 PM   #88 
     - See #90: Venezuela media was reporting that Obama had accused Chavez of  struggle4progress   Jan-18-09 04:00 PM   #93 
     - I also looked for recent comments from Obama in regards to  slipslidingaway   Jan-18-09 07:16 PM   #120 
     - Update  struggle4progress   Jan-19-09 02:31 AM   #132 
     - Makes sense on numerous levels.  Forkboy   Jan-18-09 04:16 PM   #99 
        - I don't think Chavez is a dictator.  Elrond Hubbard   Jan-18-09 04:19 PM   #100 
        - LOL....I don't think he says much of anything without a purpose.  Forkboy   Jan-18-09 04:36 PM   #106 
           - Nice post, Fidel!  MPK   Jan-18-09 04:49 PM   #108 
        - I think HC got some intelligence that some faction in our government  sfexpat2000   Jan-19-09 11:46 PM   #141 
  - I've never liked Chavez all that much. This is just more reason not to like him.  Elrond Hubbard   Jan-18-09 04:04 PM   #94 
  - Well, he has a point about "the empire" - let's hope Obama survives it.  polichick   Jan-18-09 04:28 PM   #103 
  - Good fricking day to you, too Chavez..  mariawr   Jan-18-09 04:31 PM   #104 
  - Hey, Chvez, STFU, we don't care about you and your new babana Republic  Roberto1223   Jan-18-09 04:50 PM   #109 
  - America is more an banana republic than Venezuela  Larkspur   Jan-18-09 05:12 PM   #113 
     - However, we still have the right to change Presidents peacefully, not like  Roberto1223   Jan-18-09 05:43 PM   #119 
        - The Venezuela of 1989, when the President Carlos Andres Perez had his forces fire into crowds  Judi Lynn   Jan-18-09 07:42 PM   #121 
        - Chavez is not using guns to change the Constitution  Larkspur   Jan-19-09 11:34 PM   #137 
        - WTF are you talking about  Every Man A King   Jan-20-09 10:53 AM   #145 
  - I respect what Chavez has done for his country but this is messed up how does he expect things to>  cooolandrew   Jan-18-09 11:45 PM   #123 
  - I respect what Chavez has done for his country but this is messed up how does he expect things to>  cooolandrew   Jan-18-09 11:45 PM   #124 
  - i'm sorry, but i do not  mrs_p   Jan-19-09 12:01 AM   #127 
  - Chavez speaks the truth. n/t  Lilith Velkor   Jan-19-09 01:13 AM   #129 
  - Psh, I called this seven months ago.  tritsofme   Jan-20-09 12:09 AM   #143 
  - That's how you define "calling" something?  bitchkitty   Jan-20-09 10:45 AM   #144 
  - Good call, what do you think is behind Chavez's rhetoric? Obama isn't the "normal" I don't see the..  uponit7771   Jan-21-09 01:14 PM   #148 
  - Well played, my friend  theboss   Jan-22-09 05:04 PM   #162 
  - God He's Such A Piece Of Shit. Fuck That Pig Chavez.  OPERATIONMINDCRIME   Jan-21-09 12:08 PM   #147 
  - This shouldn't surprise anyone  rl6214   Jan-21-09 01:21 PM   #149 
  - Blow it out your ass Hugo!  ronnykmarshall   Jan-21-09 01:42 PM   #150 
  - Well, Chavez has the "stench" of a dictator. nt  PM7nj   Jan-21-09 01:48 PM   #151 
  - There sure is a lot of misinformation in this thread about Chavez and Venezuela.  Peace Patriot   Jan-22-09 05:08 AM   #152 
  - your posts are like nuggets of gold  subsuelo   Jan-22-09 03:48 PM   #154 
  - Chavez is a dictator pretending to be a populist.  specialed   Jan-22-09 05:42 AM   #153 
  - Welcome to DU, specialed! Please explain your prediction.  Peace Patriot   Jan-22-09 04:22 PM   #156 
  - Fuck that pig.  jefferson_dem   Jan-22-09 04:01 PM   #155 
  - Let's see how Venezuela does with oil prices where they are.  Zynx   Jan-22-09 04:24 PM   #157 
  - And with that, everyone will finally agree with me about Chavez  theboss   Jan-22-09 05:01 PM   #160 
  - If he thinks Obama has "stench" of Bush, he's obviously been sniffing too much...  ALiberalSailor   Jan-22-09 05:04 PM   #163 
  - Chavez = Attention Whore. Pay him no mind.  damonm   Jan-22-09 05:17 PM   #165 

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