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139. gotcha ......
.. NOW THAT post is worthy of it's own thread! ;)

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  -The anger in the GLBT community is a legitimate and righteous anger. RandomKoolzip  Dec-26-08 10:22 AM   #0 
  - K&R  Richardo   Dec-26-08 10:25 AM   #1 
  - K&R.  Starbucks Anarchist   Dec-26-08 10:26 AM   #2 
  - k&r  PeaceNikki   Dec-26-08 10:26 AM   #3 
  - K&R nt  unpossibles   Dec-26-08 10:27 AM   #4 
  - k&r  lwfern   Dec-26-08 10:28 AM   #5 
  - K&R  MN Against Bush   Dec-26-08 10:28 AM   #6 
  - Of course the anger is legitimate...  Elrond Hubbard   Dec-26-08 10:30 AM   #7 
  - so why focus on the handful? they dont have their civil rights and maybe they are rude  lionesspriyanka   Dec-26-08 10:35 AM   #15 
  - when did I ever say my support is qualified? can you point to where i said that even once?  Elrond Hubbard   Dec-26-08 10:40 AM   #18 
     - It's the word "yet."  RandomKoolzip   Dec-26-08 10:43 AM   #21 
        - I never said that meant that I am any less supportive.  Elrond Hubbard   Dec-26-08 10:44 AM   #22 
        - No one is accusing you of anything, it's just that  RandomKoolzip   Dec-26-08 10:48 AM   #26 
           - I agree and I think we are at the point where lots of us are saying  jhrobbins   Dec-26-08 06:18 PM   #183 
        - exactly, also on a thread saying our cries are legit, if you point to the 5 people  lionesspriyanka   Dec-26-08 10:48 AM   #25 
        - they're not. it's difficult to explain how i feel about it.  Elrond Hubbard   Dec-26-08 10:55 AM   #34 
        - Talk about "Unconscious Message"  sureiachan   Dec-27-08 02:31 PM   #244 
  - so?  Two Americas   Dec-26-08 04:18 PM   #154 
  - K&R  marylanddem   Dec-26-08 10:30 AM   #8 
  - A big nuclear kick nt  sheeptramp   Dec-26-08 10:30 AM   #9 
  - You can say that again buddy! K&R  EstimatedProphet   Dec-26-08 10:31 AM   #10 
  - k & R  lionesspriyanka   Dec-26-08 10:32 AM   #11 
  - k&r  warrior1   Dec-26-08 10:33 AM   #12 
  - Thank you from one of the 18,000 in California  ronnykmarshall   Dec-26-08 10:34 AM   #13 
  - Actually, Ronny, MY marriage ended this year.  RandomKoolzip   Dec-26-08 10:37 AM   #16 
  - Everyone on DU agrees with the end-goal (full equal rights). The strategy is where we differ.  GarbagemanLB   Dec-26-08 10:35 AM   #14 
  - Drowning people are not known for the subtlety of their requests for rescue.  RandomKoolzip   Dec-26-08 10:40 AM   #19 
  - Well put!  PeaceNikki   Dec-26-08 10:45 AM   #23 
  - Word!  sheeptramp   Dec-26-08 10:50 AM   #27 
  - Nope. In their desperate thrashing they often almost drown those around them.  Umbram   Dec-26-08 11:18 AM   #49 
  - You're drowning in metaphors. Swim to shore.  yardwork   Dec-26-08 11:27 AM   #56 
  - Not before I kill that whale....  Umbram   Dec-26-08 11:32 AM   #63 
  - How about we stretch a metaphor til it snaps?  RandomKoolzip   Dec-26-08 11:39 AM   #71 
     - Did it snap?  Umbram   Dec-26-08 11:44 AM   #74 
  - Hear, hear!  jhrobbins   Dec-26-08 06:20 PM   #184 
  - Well, anyone who is against gay marriage is likely a bigot.  Dr_eldritch   Dec-26-08 11:38 AM   #70 
  - not true  Two Americas   Dec-26-08 02:36 PM   #129 
  - Exactly. Thank you for pointing this out.  yardwork   Dec-26-08 04:10 PM   #151 
  - I have seen people called bigots and bigot-supporters. The focus of discussion should be  GarbagemanLB   Dec-26-08 06:05 PM   #180 
     - so you support giving the bigot a platform- yet are up in arms over being called ab bigot supporter?  bettyellen   Dec-26-08 07:11 PM   #189 
     - Thanks for proving my point. I appreciate it.  GarbagemanLB   Dec-26-08 10:19 PM   #216 
        - " I think the only thing wrong with Obama's choice was the timing. " = supporting honoring a bigot  bettyellen   Dec-27-08 10:12 AM   #229 
     - or...  Two Americas   Dec-28-08 02:14 PM   #282 
  - You're right.  Bette Noir   Dec-26-08 11:39 PM   #218 
  - Those who oppose marriage equality for gays ARE bigots. What else should we call them?  leeroysphits   Dec-27-08 08:32 PM   #273 
  - K&R  bullwinkle428   Dec-26-08 10:39 AM   #17 
  - Indeed. Sometimes outrage is required of people of good conscience.  TexasObserver   Dec-26-08 10:42 AM   #20 
  - anger is a legitimate response and no matter who the majority, they have always tried to appease the  lionesspriyanka   Dec-26-08 10:51 AM   #29 
     - The squeaky wheel gets the grease.  TexasObserver   Dec-26-08 10:56 AM   #35 
     - Nonsense.  lwfern   Dec-26-08 11:27 AM   #57 
        - lol.  lionesspriyanka   Dec-26-08 11:29 AM   #58 
        - The person who told me that was a proud graduate  lwfern   Dec-26-08 11:35 AM   #68 
        - A strongly worded LTTE often does the trick by itself, too!  RandomKoolzip   Dec-26-08 11:40 AM   #72 
        - "Give us a kick, if you will, Your Majesty! Oh, that was GOOD, Your Majesty!!"  TexasObserver   Dec-26-08 11:54 AM   #80 
        - heh  Two Americas   Dec-26-08 06:15 PM   #181 
     - Exactly. "Power concedes nothing without a demand."  RandomKoolzip   Dec-26-08 10:57 AM   #36 
        - Thankfully, Skinner gets it.  TexasObserver   Dec-26-08 11:59 AM   #82 
           - No it's not. I think it helps to have someone gay in your life whom you actually LOVE.  RandomKoolzip   Dec-26-08 12:07 PM   #85 
           - I assume your "No, it's not" is in reply to my "it's not right" comment.  TexasObserver   Dec-26-08 12:42 PM   #96 
           - Right! Yes, sorry about setting off the confus-o-meter there...  RandomKoolzip   Dec-26-08 02:09 PM   #111 
           - I'm seeing either a reverse-bash or a strawman here  CakeGrrl   Dec-26-08 06:17 PM   #182 
           - I'm not sure what your complaint actually is, but i'll just say that nowhere in that  RandomKoolzip   Dec-26-08 07:01 PM   #186 
              - My "complaint", which I'd like to think is a pretty civil disagreement,  CakeGrrl   Dec-26-08 08:21 PM   #197 
           - Logo  AlbertCat   Dec-26-08 08:45 PM   #205 
           - I have a brother who is gay and dying of aids  onefreespiritedchick   Dec-26-08 08:50 PM   #207 
  - thank you and recommend. nt  xchrom   Dec-26-08 10:47 AM   #24 
  - MLK & Gandhi has cause to be angry as well, but...  yowzayowzayowza   Dec-26-08 10:51 AM   #28 
  - this is what mlk and gandhi suggested. anger and civil disobedience  lionesspriyanka   Dec-26-08 10:52 AM   #30 
  - See response below, thx!!! n/t  yowzayowzayowza   Dec-26-08 11:25 AM   #53 
     - your response below makes no sense. nt  lionesspriyanka   Dec-26-08 01:11 PM   #102 
  - Has anyone advocated physical violence here?  RandomKoolzip   Dec-26-08 11:10 AM   #43 
  - Censorship is nonphysical violence.  yowzayowzayowza   Dec-26-08 11:25 AM   #52 
     - You are not being censored  Marrah_G   Dec-26-08 11:32 AM   #64 
     - Didn't say I was. n/t  yowzayowzayowza   Dec-26-08 11:36 AM   #69 
     - So who is being censored? n/t  Solon   Dec-26-08 12:43 PM   #98 
        - See below, thx. n/t  yowzayowzayowza   Dec-26-08 12:45 PM   #99 
     - Exactly - demand it rather than complain about Rev. Warren  treestar   Dec-26-08 04:17 PM   #153 
        - are you a single tasker who can only do one of these things?  bettyellen   Dec-26-08 07:20 PM   #190 
           - What part of "demand it" is stfu?  yowzayowzayowza   Dec-27-08 02:16 PM   #242 
              - "rather than complain" = don't complain =u figure it out, genius.  bettyellen   Dec-27-08 05:22 PM   #253 
                 - Dudn't take a genius to figger out that...  yowzayowzayowza   Dec-27-08 07:29 PM   #271 
                    - u know i'd prefer YOU stuff a sock in it AND do somethitng else w. your time. but I AM NOT STUPID  bettyellen   Dec-27-08 10:04 PM   #275 
     - Man, that's a stretch.  RandomKoolzip   Dec-26-08 11:33 AM   #65 
  - Words from MLK  Marrah_G   Dec-26-08 11:31 AM   #62 
  - How exactly do you demand it if yer censoring 'em? n/t  yowzayowzayowza   Dec-26-08 11:34 AM   #67 
  - Nope - you are wrong. MLK and Ghandi both used and incorporated ANGER also - look it up...  TankLV   Dec-26-08 11:45 AM   #76 
     - Certainly anger as motivation. Could you point out where either espoused...  yowzayowzayowza   Dec-26-08 11:53 AM   #79 
        - In order to actually "censor" someone, you need the weight of some sort  RandomKoolzip   Dec-26-08 11:58 AM   #81 
           - I was thinking more along the lines of denying...  yowzayowzayowza   Dec-26-08 12:00 PM   #83 
              - Well, you're talkin' to an atheist here.  RandomKoolzip   Dec-26-08 12:10 PM   #86 
              - Could, but I tend to agree with 'em that ...  yowzayowzayowza   Dec-26-08 12:26 PM   #91 
              - That's not censorship, that's not inviting them to the party, don't conflate the two, its...  Solon   Dec-26-08 01:19 PM   #103 
              - Denying voice of a generic religious expression by...  yowzayowzayowza   Dec-26-08 01:45 PM   #105 
                 - Uhm, regardless of what Obama espouses, denying this man a podium is NOT CENSORSHIP.  Solon   Dec-26-08 01:51 PM   #106 
                 - Feeling similarly.  yowzayowzayowza   Dec-26-08 02:08 PM   #110 
                    - Oh for fuck's sake! Of course it would be exclusionary, that's the point...  Solon   Dec-26-08 02:20 PM   #114 
                       - I'm not equating the two, you are.  yowzayowzayowza   Dec-26-08 02:32 PM   #125 
                          - "And yes, you are wanting to deny Warrenz, indeed by proxy millions of Americans, freedom of speech"  Solon   Dec-26-08 02:37 PM   #130 
                          - Per vestri lacuna. n/t  yowzayowzayowza   Dec-26-08 03:14 PM   #137 
                          - How is not giving a public forum to a fucking bigot....  enough already   Dec-27-08 07:36 PM   #272 
                 - Millions of Americans?  Bette Noir   Dec-26-08 11:54 PM   #219 
                    - Me either.  the dogfish   Dec-27-08 10:36 AM   #233 
                    - The number that sympathize with Warrenz position are legion...  yowzayowzayowza   Dec-27-08 02:19 PM   #243 
              - I see nothing wrong with denying advocates of immoral repression  MNBrewer   Dec-26-08 07:08 PM   #188 
                 - What would the consequence of said denial be? n/t  yowzayowzayowza   Dec-26-08 09:24 PM   #209 
                    - The most important consequence of doing the right thing is  brazenlyliberal   Dec-27-08 07:48 AM   #224 
                       - And any negative consequences...  yowzayowzayowza   Dec-27-08 02:14 PM   #241 
                          - Ridiculous exaggeration  brazenlyliberal   Dec-27-08 02:51 PM   #245 
                             - Didn't have to be Warren, but any "religious Republican voices"...  yowzayowzayowza   Dec-27-08 03:09 PM   #246 
                                - Except that none of that is true  brazenlyliberal   Dec-27-08 03:19 PM   #247 
                                   - Quite aware of both...  yowzayowzayowza   Dec-27-08 05:13 PM   #252 
                                      - Well, then, in that case it's just bullshitting and there is no genuine point.  brazenlyliberal   Dec-27-08 05:26 PM   #254 
  - reminds me of a quote i was reading from act-up this morning  lionesspriyanka   Dec-26-08 10:53 AM   #31 
  - You may not believe this, but Larry Kramer's one of my heroes.  RandomKoolzip   Dec-26-08 11:08 AM   #42 
     - yup. i am thinking of emulating kramer for marriage. i am tired of the lack of leadership  lionesspriyanka   Dec-26-08 11:12 AM   #44 
        - I honestly think that's where it needs to go, too - the confrontational style that  RandomKoolzip   Dec-26-08 11:16 AM   #47 
           - i agree. will you help me brainstorm. i am trying to put together action plans  lionesspriyanka   Dec-26-08 11:23 AM   #50 
              - I'll do what i can.  RandomKoolzip   Dec-26-08 11:34 AM   #66 
  - Sometimes outrage is the only reasonable response.  tbyg52   Dec-26-08 10:53 AM   #32 
  - No... "gays shouting about their civil rights" is not the problem  LuckyTheDog   Dec-26-08 10:54 AM   #33 
  - supporting a politician should have caveats. very different from civil rights  lionesspriyanka   Dec-26-08 10:58 AM   #37 
  - I don't think anyone is "not supporting civil rights"  LuckyTheDog   Dec-26-08 11:01 AM   #38 
     - projecting what?  lionesspriyanka   Dec-26-08 11:03 AM   #39 
     - Proposition 8 passed, that means a lot of people are not supporting civil rights...  MN Against Bush   Dec-26-08 11:31 AM   #60 
     - i could hug you for saying that so perfectly  lionesspriyanka   Dec-26-08 11:45 AM   #75 
     - I imagine that the person you were responding to  Umbram   Dec-26-08 01:38 PM   #104 
     - Many people say they support civil rights  ThomCat   Dec-27-08 06:33 PM   #262 
  - Or you could recognize and trace the flow of power...  RandomKoolzip   Dec-26-08 11:03 AM   #40 
  - What benefit could accrue from attacking, vilifying, alienating ....  downstairsparts   Dec-26-08 11:13 AM   #46 
  - People get uncomfortable when displays of power come from a direction they don't recognize.  RandomKoolzip   Dec-26-08 11:29 AM   #59 
  - Sometimes when people get uncomfortable, they wake up  downstairsparts   Dec-26-08 12:26 PM   #90 
  - that's exactly what's going on here.... then they spew the hey I dont see you gays organizing....  bettyellen   Dec-26-08 07:36 PM   #191 
  - THIS. A million times, this.  Chovexani   Dec-27-08 06:50 PM   #266 
  - "allies" - telling us to "sit down and shut up" - got it...  TankLV   Dec-26-08 11:49 AM   #78 
  - "self-righteous ideologue"  TankLV   Dec-26-08 11:48 AM   #77 
  - this is very deceitful  Two Americas   Dec-26-08 04:41 PM   #162 
  - Women worried about losing control over their bodies also isn't the problem. nt  MookieWilson   Dec-26-08 09:29 PM   #212 
  - I agree. Even if only 80% of DU was for gay marriage  Number23   Dec-26-08 09:59 PM   #214 
     - if we are at the point where our straight "allies"  ThomCat   Dec-27-08 06:41 PM   #263 
     - :rollingeyes:  Number23   Dec-27-08 07:10 PM   #270 
     - Delete, Duplicate  ThomCat   Dec-27-08 06:41 PM   #264 
  - K&R  The_Commonist   Dec-26-08 11:06 AM   #41 
  - KoolZip, I've always been a huge fan, but this....man, I LOVE you!  yardwork   Dec-26-08 11:12 AM   #45 
  - Thanks.  RandomKoolzip   Dec-26-08 11:18 AM   #48 
     - Do you know what? I alerted on this thread just to recommend it to the mods and admins.  yardwork   Dec-26-08 11:26 AM   #55 
        - Damn! Well, I'm definitely honored.  RandomKoolzip   Dec-26-08 11:31 AM   #61 
        - by far! This sums it all up perfectly. And my speaking out against Warren does not mean I don't  LaydeeBug   Dec-26-08 12:43 PM   #97 
  - K & r  MPK   Dec-26-08 11:23 AM   #51 
  - kick,kick,kick  Marrah_G   Dec-26-08 11:26 AM   #54 
  - Righteous Rant! K&R! YES! Thank you!  TankLV   Dec-26-08 11:42 AM   #73 
  - thanks my friend  sundog   Dec-26-08 12:05 PM   #84 
  - Thank you.  RandomKoolzip   Dec-26-08 12:10 PM   #87 
  - K&R...  Solon   Dec-26-08 12:10 PM   #88 
  - K&R  Irishonly   Dec-26-08 12:14 PM   #89 
  - It sure is!  polichick   Dec-26-08 12:31 PM   #92 
  - k&r! And thanks!!  Veruca Salt   Dec-26-08 12:35 PM   #93 
  - K&R  whoisalhedges   Dec-26-08 12:35 PM   #94 
  - K&R!!! nt  LaydeeBug   Dec-26-08 12:41 PM   #95 
  - Insightful as always.  jonnyblitz   Dec-26-08 12:46 PM   #100 
  - Wow, this is insight:  ProSense   Dec-26-08 01:01 PM   #101 
  - The point bus just passed you by.  RandomKoolzip   Dec-26-08 02:12 PM   #112 
  - No, the point is  ProSense   Dec-26-08 02:25 PM   #119 
  - can you show me where people are saying obama's presidency is doomed?  lionesspriyanka   Dec-26-08 02:31 PM   #124 
  - me too  sundog   Dec-26-08 03:36 PM   #145 
     - fanicitis causes delusions. nt  lionesspriyanka   Dec-26-08 04:34 PM   #161 
  - this is simply not true  Two Americas   Dec-26-08 04:48 PM   #164 
  - Is there a place where someone said Obama's presidency was doomed? We can agree you're WRONG then.  LaydeeBug   Dec-26-08 05:48 PM   #174 
  - Wow. Straw Man alert!  ThomCat   Dec-27-08 06:45 PM   #265 
  - While I agree  Dragonbreathp9d   Dec-26-08 01:58 PM   #107 
  - you dont think our anger at our lack of civil rights is righteous?  lionesspriyanka   Dec-26-08 02:02 PM   #108 
     - actually I do  Dragonbreathp9d   Dec-26-08 02:08 PM   #109 
        - maybe its a difference in region but i have only heard of righteous in terms of anger  lionesspriyanka   Dec-26-08 02:15 PM   #113 
        - Well, consider for the moment that our definitions of "righteous" are both somewhat fixed  RandomKoolzip   Dec-26-08 02:24 PM   #117 
           - Dont you love being English majos  Dragonbreathp9d   Dec-26-08 02:34 PM   #127 
              - Innit great?!  RandomKoolzip   Dec-26-08 02:59 PM   #135 
  - Masterfully written!  King Sandbox   Dec-26-08 02:22 PM   #115 
  - Yes it is  Taverner   Dec-26-08 02:22 PM   #116 
  - Recommended!  Dennis Donovan   Dec-26-08 02:25 PM   #118 
  - yes  Two Americas   Dec-26-08 02:27 PM   #120 
  - something similar is brewing in women's rights  cap   Dec-26-08 02:28 PM   #121 
  - Yes, and I welcome that too.  RandomKoolzip   Dec-26-08 02:32 PM   #126 
  - K&R, thank you for the support !  AntiFascist   Dec-26-08 02:29 PM   #122 
  - Here is what I'm confused about......  Clio the Leo   Dec-26-08 02:31 PM   #123 
  - You really should make this point in a separate thread.  ProSense   Dec-26-08 02:35 PM   #128 
  - uh-uh, I aint supid. :-)  Clio the Leo   Dec-26-08 02:39 PM   #131 
  - First of all prop 8 happened nov 5th not just in the last few days.  lionesspriyanka   Dec-26-08 02:41 PM   #132 
  - "the shut up about it attitude his chearleaders on this site have created"  ProSense   Dec-26-08 02:58 PM   #134 
  - But see, here is where I'm going to address that question and try to help you understand  RandomKoolzip   Dec-26-08 03:27 PM   #140 
  - As I said in another thread  sniffa   Dec-26-08 03:51 PM   #148 
  - But it's your role to tell others how they should respond?  ProSense   Dec-26-08 04:04 PM   #149 
     - No, I'm saying that *I* don't have the right to act as a spokesperson for  RandomKoolzip   Dec-26-08 04:15 PM   #152 
        - Outrage at Warren isn't limited to his position on gays,  ProSense   Dec-26-08 04:22 PM   #156 
           - Okay, this is EXACTLY what I'm trying to get across to you:  RandomKoolzip   Dec-26-08 05:42 PM   #170 
              - Oh, nonsense  ProSense   Dec-26-08 05:45 PM   #173 
                 - If those three specific ideas are what's crawlin' up yer butt, then maybe you ought  RandomKoolzip   Dec-26-08 05:52 PM   #176 
                    - Where are the posts that are "crawlin' up yer butt"?  ProSense   Dec-26-08 05:54 PM   #177 
                       - (sigh) Seriously, dude?  RandomKoolzip   Dec-26-08 06:00 PM   #178 
                          - No, you simply will not face the reality  ProSense   Dec-26-08 06:04 PM   #179 
                             - I agree. My outrage over Rick Warren has long since been surpassed by the outrage over the outrage.  Number23   Dec-26-08 10:10 PM   #215 
                             - this post is bullshit the warren apologists wereout w. their STFUs on day 1....  bettyellen   Dec-27-08 10:17 AM   #230 
  - the shut up and sit down attitude didnt happen after the 600 threads, its what caused  lionesspriyanka   Dec-26-08 04:33 PM   #160 
     - So the outrage is simply outrage about something that isn't happening?  ProSense   Dec-26-08 04:42 PM   #163 
  - (moved) nt  alwysdrunk   Dec-26-08 05:31 PM   #168 
  - Well, i can only speak for myself....  RandomKoolzip   Dec-26-08 02:54 PM   #133 
  - Thank you .....  Clio the Leo   Dec-26-08 03:05 PM   #136 
     - Right, I can understand that. But please remember that DU is not  RandomKoolzip   Dec-26-08 03:16 PM   #138 
        - gotcha ......  Clio the Leo   Dec-26-08 03:22 PM   #139 
  - I agree with you, but many here would prefer irrational ranting over practical problem solving.  stevietheman   Dec-26-08 03:33 PM   #143 
  - Who's to say they're not doing both?  RandomKoolzip   Dec-26-08 03:38 PM   #146 
  - The status of Prop 8 is being decided by the CA Supreme Court...  AntiFascist   Dec-27-08 02:57 AM   #222 
  - and it's a waste of energy. n/t  stevietheman   Dec-26-08 03:30 PM   #141 
  - Deleted message  Name removed   Dec-26-08 03:31 PM   #142 
  - Can't you do better than that, my leetle trolly fool?  cali   Dec-26-08 03:34 PM   #144 
  - Just because i know this troll is gonna get tombstoned pretty quickly, let me just  RandomKoolzip   Dec-26-08 03:41 PM   #147 
     - My question is how the fuck does someone get away with a handle like that?  TK421   Dec-26-08 05:51 PM   #175 
     - Well, "ILiketoMolestWeinerdogs" lasted longer than I thought he would.  Dr_eldritch   Dec-26-08 07:52 PM   #193 
     - RKZ... you're just too Kool.  Dr_eldritch   Dec-26-08 07:54 PM   #194 
  - K&R  Amimnoch   Dec-26-08 04:06 PM   #150 
  - K & R  jumptheshadow   Dec-26-08 04:18 PM   #155 
  - Yes, and I wanted a woman to be the top general of the military in 1975. When society is  ShortnFiery   Dec-26-08 04:29 PM   #157 
  - Interesting  rpannier   Dec-26-08 05:45 PM   #172 
  - Yes, you CAN force change! Of-fucking-course you can. And you SHOULD.  PelosiFan   Dec-26-08 08:31 PM   #200 
  - Yes!  Phentex   Dec-26-08 04:32 PM   #158 
  - My first post is to 'kick'  hangonjustaminute   Dec-26-08 04:33 PM   #159 
  - K to the R.  rucky   Dec-26-08 04:55 PM   #165 
  - K&R...  TK421   Dec-26-08 05:04 PM   #166 
  - It absolutely is...  Dr_eldritch   Dec-26-08 05:10 PM   #167 
  - K & (whew, still within 24 hours) R  Commie Pinko Dirtbag   Dec-26-08 05:41 PM   #169 
  - KR on a trampoline....nt  ooglymoogly   Dec-26-08 05:42 PM   #171 
  - shameless kick. nt  LaydeeBug   Dec-26-08 06:38 PM   #185 
  - Thank you  bettyellen   Dec-26-08 07:04 PM   #187 
  - The situation in California may well be unconstitutional -- it won't be  pnwmom   Dec-26-08 07:50 PM   #192 
  - If the "situation" in CA is unconstitutional...  keepCAblue   Dec-27-08 10:58 AM   #236 
  - k&r  Naythan   Dec-26-08 08:09 PM   #195 
  - Well said. K&R. n/t  chill_wind   Dec-26-08 08:17 PM   #196 
  - Kick for equal rights for all  varelse   Dec-26-08 08:25 PM   #198 
  - Great post!  PelosiFan   Dec-26-08 08:29 PM   #199 
  - You can't shit on people and expect them to grin and relax about it.  gollygee   Dec-26-08 08:35 PM   #201 
  - ...or tell them you're just tired of talking about it so shut up. We need to stand firm here...  LaydeeBug   Dec-26-08 08:39 PM   #203 
  - K&R!!! nt  mycritters2   Dec-26-08 08:37 PM   #202 
  - K&R!  theFrankFactor   Dec-26-08 08:40 PM   #204 
  - I love gay people!  Cronus Protagonist   Dec-26-08 08:46 PM   #206 
  - K & R  Spectral Music   Dec-26-08 09:15 PM   #208 
  - Anger over Prop 8 is legit, anger of Warren is understandable  nomad1776   Dec-26-08 09:24 PM   #210 
  - Bad actions and words have come from both sides.  Balderdash   Dec-27-08 11:14 AM   #238 
     - He apparently lives to fan the flames.  ThomCat   Dec-27-08 06:55 PM   #267 
  - Don't forget Jews and Catholics and women who voted for him. nt  MookieWilson   Dec-26-08 09:26 PM   #211 
  - k&r  LostinVA   Dec-26-08 09:29 PM   #213 
  - KandR. n/t  Dystopian   Dec-26-08 10:58 PM   #217 
  - I just saw Milk, and I totally understand....  Ojai Person   Dec-27-08 12:16 AM   #220 
  - My lady and I saw it today, too  laptoprepairguy   Dec-27-08 04:58 PM   #251 
  - kr  Progs Rock   Dec-27-08 02:40 AM   #221 
  - K&R  DeSwiss   Dec-27-08 06:12 AM   #223 
  - Rick Warren Is a Hypocrite and Protector of Pedophile Clergies  politicalmajority   Dec-27-08 08:20 AM   #225 
  - The truly unfortunate aspect of the choice of Rick Warren  ejbr   Dec-27-08 08:42 AM   #226 
  - Agree. Recommended.  Heidi   Dec-27-08 08:45 AM   #227 
  - The anger towards Obama's supporters has got to stop, however. Divide and Conquer is the RNC's  McCamy Taylor   Dec-27-08 10:01 AM   #228 
  - Grow up  judesedit   Dec-27-08 10:19 AM   #231 
  - um......  PeaceNikki   Dec-27-08 10:24 AM   #232 
  - You should take a lesson from Marcel Marceau.  Bluebear   Dec-27-08 10:37 AM   #234 
  - YES, support our point of view or STFU  mkultra   Dec-27-08 05:47 PM   #260 
  - "Start teaching him that you are nothing to be feared"?  the dogfish   Dec-27-08 10:47 AM   #235 
  - 17 posts. ... Rick, is that you? n/t  keepCAblue   Dec-27-08 11:04 AM   #237 
  - get the fuck over yourself  Skittles   Dec-27-08 01:18 PM   #240 
  - Warren is a homophobe but  shellinaya   Dec-27-08 03:48 PM   #250 
  - 'Warren is a homophobe but so are thousands of other Americans'  Bluebear   Dec-27-08 05:42 PM   #259 
  - OMG what is wrong with you?  Skittles   Dec-28-08 12:27 AM   #279 
  - 2nd, yes indeed!  bettyellen   Dec-27-08 05:32 PM   #256 
  - "the variety of choices?"  Two Americas   Dec-27-08 03:35 PM   #248 
  - Yar. Nicely said, my friend.  jpgray   Dec-27-08 11:16 AM   #239 
  - Justification  shellinaya   Dec-27-08 03:45 PM   #249 
  - they do not, but even if they did.....so fucking what?  bettyellen   Dec-27-08 05:29 PM   #255 
  - No. They do not. Canada, for instance, proves your post wrong for a start,  Bluebear   Dec-27-08 05:39 PM   #258 
  - I miss the old days  haruka3_2000   Dec-27-08 11:31 PM   #278 
  - I can't tell if you are serious  pollo poco   Dec-27-08 06:05 PM   #261 
  - Where the hell did you get that idea from?  ThomCat   Dec-27-08 07:02 PM   #268 
  - Delete, Duplicate  ThomCat   Dec-27-08 07:02 PM   #269 
  - Not true  haruka3_2000   Dec-27-08 11:30 PM   #277 
  - Errr, no, we don't -- and even if we did, so fucking what???  LostinVA   Dec-28-08 11:02 AM   #281 
  - Thank you. n/t  bitchkitty   Dec-27-08 05:35 PM   #257 
  - Stonewall. K&R  themartyred   Dec-27-08 09:10 PM   #274 
  - To me it's a matter of justice, pure and simple...  Raksha   Dec-27-08 11:21 PM   #276 
     - an injustice anywhere is an injustice everywhere. I will stand in solidarity with my gay bretheren  LaydeeBug   Dec-28-08 10:32 AM   #280 
 

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