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I am Christian and I believe that civil rights for my gay brothers and sisters IS a Christian value.
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     I know that many Christians point to the Bible and shout that homosexuality is an abomination. Yet they conveniently ignore the parts dictating what sort of clothing they should wear or what kind of food they should eat. The Bible is what you make of it...if you want to be hateful, then sure, you can justify all sorts of hate with it. But if you want to be loving, if you want to be kind and forgiving, there's lots of stuff in the Bible that backs that up, too. You don't need to follow a book to know how to live, but there are some really nice passages in there that might make you think a little. That's how I feel about it.

     Maybe that makes me a bad Christian. In the books of some, I'm hardly a Christian at all...I mean, I don't think the Bible is inerrant, and I don't spout that 'love the sinner, hate the sin' garbage either. Gays are not sinners, they are our brothers and sisters, and they are the way God made them...I would not ask them to change, and it's stupid and hurtful to demand of them to change. While I think it's wrong to insult Christians just because they are Christians, I do NOT think Christianity is untouchable. It SHOULD be criticized, especially when people use it as a cover for their bigotry. Rick Warren is the classic Christian bigot. He spouts the passages from the Bible that back up his narrow-minded hate, yet ignores the passages about love, forgiveness, kindness towards others. Until Christianity is no longer used as a tool to spread homophobia, the struggle for civil rights for all will continue to be difficult.

     I'm doing what I can. As a Sunday School teacher, I teach the message that gay people are to be accepted for what they are, not feared or reviled. There is no 'us and them' but people with evil hearts make it so. I believe that while some people are denied their rights, nobody is truly free. I believe that too many people take their rights for granted and have trouble seeing how much those without the same rights are suffering. I believe that those of us who are progressive Christians need to do our best to break the influence of fundamentalist bigotry on Christianity as a whole. I believe that Obama meant well in picking Rick Warren to speak, but he made a mistake. The timing and the venue were poor choices, and it's just rubbing salt on an open wound.

     I hope everybody has a safe and happy holiday season. I hope that someday soon we can look at this organized discrimination as a thing of the past. With each passing generation the old hatreds slowly die. With time, and our best efforts, gradually this too shall pass. The hatred of the narrow minded and weak will not stop us and will not silence us. We all share the same cause and the same struggle, because equal rights for some is equal rights for NONE. My brothers and sisters, here is one Christian who will not feel right inside until each and every one of you has the full right to MARRIAGE.
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  -I am Christian and I believe that civil rights for my gay brothers and sisters IS a Christian value. Elrond Hubbard  Dec-25-08 10:14 AM   #0 
  - I'm with ya...my dad was a Lutheran minister for 50 years, and he  grannylib   Dec-25-08 10:23 AM   #1 
  - Your dad sounds like he was a good minister and I probably would've liked him.  Elrond Hubbard   Dec-25-08 10:25 AM   #2 
  - He was the best, IMHO, but I'm probably biased *lol*  grannylib   Dec-25-08 12:36 PM   #8 
  - Absolutely.  jwirr   Dec-25-08 12:59 PM   #10 
  - I love this OP. I agree with you, honey. Merry Christmas.  roguevalley   Dec-25-08 02:10 PM   #15 
  - Ok  BeFree   Dec-25-08 10:28 AM   #3 
  - Oh, I see it in both terms, religious and non.  Elrond Hubbard   Dec-25-08 10:30 AM   #4 
  - You are, of course, correct.  NYC_SKP   Dec-25-08 10:38 AM   #5 
  - Religion is always interprerative.  MercutioATC   Dec-25-08 10:42 AM   #6 
  - You are doing just like the person for whom this day is named.  patrice   Dec-25-08 10:56 AM   #7 
  - Civil Rights are a human value  RiverStone   Dec-25-08 12:53 PM   #9 
  - Nice Post. Recommended ! n/t  firedupdem   Dec-25-08 01:03 PM   #11 
  - K&R, thank you for that!  AntiFascist   Dec-25-08 01:45 PM   #12 
  - Love is the answer.  Elrond Hubbard   Dec-25-08 04:05 PM   #19 
     - The bible is full of hate and war...  Blarch   Dec-26-08 08:32 AM   #31 
        - You fail to distinguish between the Old and New Testaments.  TexasObserver   Dec-26-08 10:11 AM   #37 
        - The bible has more than just 'hate and war' in it.  Elrond Hubbard   Dec-26-08 10:19 AM   #39 
  - K+R. There is more support than many seem to realize.  Dr_eldritch   Dec-25-08 01:56 PM   #13 
  - Yep - it's a Christian value for Christians who care about Jesus' teachings.  polichick   Dec-25-08 02:08 PM   #14 
  - K&R! :) n/t  Jesuswasntafascist   Dec-25-08 02:36 PM   #16 
  - That's my Christ, too!  TygrBright   Dec-25-08 02:41 PM   #17 
  - The clothes and the shell fish thing....  Clio the Leo   Dec-25-08 02:53 PM   #18 
  - "A dead law to Christians"...only when it's convenient.  Elrond Hubbard   Dec-25-08 04:07 PM   #20 
  - Actually, what is said about homosexuality in the New Testament is in despute....  Raster   Dec-25-08 07:15 PM   #23 
     - Unfortunately you're probably talking to a hit and run  JohnnieGordon   Dec-25-08 08:49 PM   #24 
     - You're probably right. Is "Johnnie" your real first name?  Raster   Dec-25-08 09:27 PM   #25 
        - It's John, and my last name isn't Gordon  JohnnieGordon   Dec-25-08 09:32 PM   #26 
     - Wow. Thanks for this.  Elrond Hubbard   Dec-26-08 08:14 AM   #28 
        - My pleasure. Happiest of Holidays!  Raster   Dec-26-08 08:20 AM   #29 
  - lol.  Blarch   Dec-25-08 05:36 PM   #21 
  - Cherry picking what?  Elrond Hubbard   Dec-25-08 06:30 PM   #22 
     - Leviticus 18:22  Blarch   Dec-26-08 08:30 AM   #30 
        - Ah yes, Leviticus 18:22...the smite the fags part of the OT...  Raster   Dec-26-08 10:01 AM   #33 
        - Go ahead, make jokes.  Blarch   Dec-26-08 10:05 AM   #35 
        - You mean the part that outlaws eating shrimp and pork?  TexasObserver   Dec-26-08 10:04 AM   #34 
        - I already told you I don't believe that the Bible is inerrant.  Elrond Hubbard   Dec-26-08 10:18 AM   #38 
  - I am not a Christian, but I believe Jesus would agree that gays deserve full civil rights.  TexasObserver   Dec-25-08 11:51 PM   #27 
  - Christian in the sense of "Christ-like" rather than "endorsed by most Christian churches"...  Orsino   Dec-26-08 08:49 AM   #32 
  - recommend  xchrom   Dec-26-08 10:10 AM   #36 
  - I agree, I don't see where Christianity has to take this point of view  treestar   Dec-26-08 01:12 PM   #40 
  - I am Christian of the Catholic sub-set and I agree with you!  DailyGrind51   Dec-26-08 04:29 PM   #41 
 

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