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63. Yes, reach out to Rick Warren.
But NEVER FOR ONE SINGLE INSTANT, let him EVER forget that to we "enlightened ones", he's lower than pond scum! That will show the world that "we" mean business! You betcha!

January Twenty First of next year, can't come too soon enough for me! How about the rest of you? No? Inauguration Day will be just like the movie, "Groundhog Day" to some of you? Hmmmm; makes one wonder!

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  -Never, EVER, reach out to bigots! They NEVER change. Right? No? Maybe? HamdenRice  Dec-24-08 07:57 AM   #0 
  - Reaching out is one thing; giving prominence to is quite another.  WinkyDink   Dec-24-08 07:59 AM   #1 
  - A Supreme Court position is not prominent?  HamdenRice   Dec-24-08 08:03 AM   #3 
  - Got me there!  WinkyDink   Dec-24-08 08:13 AM   #7 
  - Was he a noted bigot when selected for Supreme Court Justice?  YankmeCrankme   Dec-24-08 08:14 AM   #9 
  - He was being opportunistic, as was Wallace, and as is Warren  HamdenRice   Dec-24-08 08:17 AM   #13 
     - But, you used Black as an example. Was he being opportunistic?  YankmeCrankme   Dec-24-08 08:29 AM   #20 
     - Obama playing chess?  bvar22   Dec-24-08 09:55 AM   #58 
        - One symbolic sacrifice of two minutes of generic inclusion to foment...  yowzayowzayowza   Dec-24-08 01:06 PM   #85 
           - Sure.  bvar22   Dec-24-08 01:37 PM   #86 
              - Nothing ventured, nothing gained. n/t  yowzayowzayowza   Dec-24-08 02:00 PM   #93 
  - Was Black in the Klan when he was appointed?  NWHarkness   Dec-24-08 08:14 AM   #10 
  - Black was not spreading hate speech at the time  Bluenorthwest   Dec-24-08 08:46 AM   #24 
  - Very interesting perspective. I believe it's a gradual process  HamdenRice   Dec-24-08 09:24 AM   #43 
     - Interesting how you dissemble whe it turns out Black was not in the Klan  bluedawg12   Dec-24-08 09:52 AM   #54 
     - But the actual point  Bluenorthwest   Dec-24-08 10:08 AM   #61 
     - LOL, but there's no evidence this change can or will take place, but toss teh gays under the bus  bettyellen   Dec-24-08 04:06 PM   #113 
  - The point is well-taken...  Orsino   Dec-24-08 12:22 PM   #83 
  - I was just about to post the exact same sentiment  TechBear_Seattle   Dec-24-08 08:38 AM   #22 
  - Reaching out, yes. But not when it's MY personal issue being addressed. Hypocrite.  cryingshame   Dec-24-08 08:49 AM   #27 
     - How am I being hypocritical? n/t  TechBear_Seattle   Dec-24-08 08:51 AM   #28 
     - How on earth is theat hypocritical? nt  LaydeeBug   Dec-24-08 01:49 PM   #89 
     - civil rights are someone else's personal issue? i know this is true for a few here...  bettyellen   Dec-24-08 04:22 PM   #117 
  - that is the most ludicrous attempts at masking hypocrisy. Like having a Peace Summit is more  cryingshame   Dec-24-08 08:48 AM   #25 
  - WTH is your problem?? I'm only reiterating the stance of the President-elect, who said he'd "reach  WinkyDink   Dec-24-08 12:16 PM   #81 
  - bullshit. It's not "just a two minute parayer"'s a two minute prayer on NATIONAL TELEVISION in  LaydeeBug   Dec-24-08 01:52 PM   #90 
  - Yes, reach out to Rick Warren.  pnorman   Dec-24-08 10:12 AM   #63 
  - Tell it to Obama.  WinkyDink   Dec-24-08 12:20 PM   #82 
  - thank you for that, it was exactly what I was thinking when I read the OP. If Obama wants to reach  LaydeeBug   Dec-24-08 01:49 PM   #88 
  - WHAT? WHAT? WHAT? Who did they choose to meet with? THE ENEMY!  RollWithIt   Dec-25-08 07:16 PM   #165 
  - Throw shoes at them, spit on them but never reach out to them!  santamargarita   Dec-24-08 08:01 AM   #2 
  - Should we spit on all people who oppose marriage equality?  cali   Dec-24-08 08:25 AM   #18 
     - I think santamargarita was being ironic  HamdenRice   Dec-24-08 09:13 AM   #37 
  - You really need to go on ignore now  Marrah_G   Dec-24-08 08:05 AM   #4 
  - No, actually I'm trying to inform people of the real history of the civil rights movement  HamdenRice   Dec-24-08 08:13 AM   #6 
  - I guess it makes us wonder at your actual intent, here.  Lerkfish   Dec-24-08 08:18 AM   #14 
  - "to inform people? really?" - yes  HamdenRice   Dec-24-08 08:21 AM   #17 
     - gee...then tell us all about  Bluenorthwest   Dec-24-08 08:57 AM   #32 
     - did I use the word "homophobe"? nope.  Lerkfish   Dec-24-08 09:41 AM   #51 
        - I wasn't referring to you  HamdenRice   Dec-24-08 10:08 AM   #62 
  - I enjoyed your post, thanks...  santamargarita   Dec-24-08 08:20 AM   #16 
  - And people twisting MLK and Ghandi's real words and intent by trying to mask their own hate  cryingshame   Dec-24-08 08:52 AM   #30 
  - I'm going take a lesson from you and do the same...  Veruca Salt   Dec-24-08 11:56 AM   #80 
  - People don't necessarily change because you reach out to them...  YankmeCrankme   Dec-24-08 08:12 AM   #5 
  - Honor them when they earn that honor - and turn away from bigotry.  bluedawg12   Dec-24-08 09:39 AM   #49 
     - I am grateful to the people who did not "turn away" from me or my  JenniferZ   Dec-24-08 02:34 PM   #95 
        - aren't you gratefull they didn;t give you a slot on national tv when you were a bigot?  bettyellen   Dec-24-08 04:17 PM   #115 
  - Byrd is still a raging homophobe. I am sure in the C-SPAN  jonnyblitz   Dec-24-08 08:13 AM   #8 
  - Byrd  Rebubula   Dec-24-08 08:43 AM   #23 
  - You have no damned idea what Senator Byrd does in private.  babylonsister   Dec-24-08 09:08 AM   #35 
  - Glad to see...  Rebubula   Dec-24-08 09:21 AM   #40 
  - he still uses the n-word in public. in private? no way. nt.  IndianaJones   Dec-24-08 10:38 AM   #71 
  - Interesting perspective. I've only been in W. Va. once  HamdenRice   Dec-24-08 09:19 AM   #39 
     - Perhaps...  Rebubula   Dec-24-08 09:24 AM   #42 
     - They never met a Black man they didn't like. And never liked a Black man they didn't meet.  ieoeja   Dec-24-08 10:22 AM   #65 
     - Well, that's actually part of the problem...  DutchLiberal   Dec-26-08 09:54 AM   #170 
  - Really?  Matt_in_STL   Dec-24-08 08:59 AM   #33 
  - Would you please not elevate Warren's platform.  merh   Dec-24-08 10:47 AM   #74 
  - Yeah, you know, it's really impossible for greedy, bigoted, small-minded people to change.  BerryBush   Dec-24-08 08:15 AM   #11 
  - ROFL -- what a "season appropriate" comparison! nt  HamdenRice   Dec-24-08 08:27 AM   #19 
  - He didn't change because people around him reached out to him, because they did.  YankmeCrankme   Dec-24-08 08:31 AM   #21 
     - You don't think the ghosts didn't, in a way, reach out to him?  WritingIsMyReligion   Dec-24-08 09:17 AM   #38 
  - I'm really not supportive of your point  Lerkfish   Dec-24-08 08:17 AM   #12 
  - I cannot speak for the OP, but I've had the "twisting myself into a pretzel" accusation hurled  PerpetuallyDazed   Dec-24-08 09:22 AM   #41 
     - Of coures some do both -- there have been posts AND OPs about both  LostinVA   Dec-24-08 09:24 AM   #44 
     - Well, I shouldn't claim to know where one's heart lies  PerpetuallyDazed   Dec-24-08 09:31 AM   #45 
        - Of course I question that -- not everyone on here is liberal, or even a DEm  LostinVA   Dec-24-08 09:46 AM   #53 
           - "or even a DEm" -- How true. Some DUers have even set up anti-Democratic Party websites nt  HamdenRice   Dec-24-08 09:56 AM   #59 
     - Obama's not honoring Warren -- he's putting the squeeze on him.  IMModerate   Dec-24-08 09:54 AM   #56 
        - Precisely, an expected byproduct of the inclusion policy...  yowzayowzayowza   Dec-24-08 01:47 PM   #87 
  - I appreciate the long term perspective and hope  JohnnyLib2   Dec-24-08 08:19 AM   #15 
  - Great post  alwysdrunk   Dec-24-08 08:49 AM   #26 
  - Good job...  S_E_Fudd   Dec-24-08 08:51 AM   #29 
  - Hugo Black Knew He Was In Service to ALL AMERICANS When He Traded White Robes for Black Robes  Crisco   Dec-24-08 08:54 AM   #31 
  - Byrd is ludricrious to have in there as is Hugo Black  dsc   Dec-24-08 09:02 AM   #34 
  - Uhhh  Rebubula   Dec-24-08 09:08 AM   #36 
  - Oh for fuck's sake. We really need this right now.  PelosiFan   Dec-24-08 09:32 AM   #46 
  - He must have gotten a new straw man for Christmas.  bluedawg12   Dec-24-08 09:42 AM   #52 
  - Negotiate politically and honor them AFTER they change.  bluedawg12   Dec-24-08 09:34 AM   #47 
  - Having George Wallace give the Keynote Speech at the Democratic Convention  Warren Stupidity   Dec-24-08 09:35 AM   #48 
  - Remember the time MLK invited Wallace to the Ebenezer Church to speak?  bluedawg12   Dec-24-08 09:41 AM   #50 
  - You probably don't know as much about Wallace as you think. He became popular with African Americans  HamdenRice   Dec-24-08 09:52 AM   #55 
     - right over your head  Warren Stupidity   Dec-24-08 09:55 AM   #57 
  - Kick and recommended.  Douglas Carpenter   Dec-24-08 10:05 AM   #60 
  - Then find any racist you can and befriend them.  Starbucks Anarchist   Dec-24-08 10:19 AM   #64 
  - I've had many racist friends, although that's not the point  HamdenRice   Dec-24-08 10:30 AM   #67 
     - Odd, because I don't have any racist friends.  Starbucks Anarchist   Dec-24-08 10:36 AM   #69 
     - Well, no wonder you are so naive  HamdenRice   Dec-24-08 10:42 AM   #72 
     - How the other side thinks? And you call ME naive?  Starbucks Anarchist   Dec-24-08 10:48 AM   #75 
     - What a very sad view you have  HamdenRice   Dec-24-08 11:00 AM   #76 
        - Surrounded by people I can respect and who respect me, sure.  Starbucks Anarchist   Dec-24-08 11:05 AM   #77 
        - I see your grown up work for gay marriage a lot.  bluedawg12   Dec-24-08 11:21 AM   #78 
     - while it's unfortunate you grew up in a cess pool of racism being FORCED to accept it...  bettyellen   Dec-24-08 04:34 PM   #118 
        - I think he wouldn't have a problem with Rosa Parks sitting in the back of the bus.  Starbucks Anarchist   Dec-24-08 06:29 PM   #129 
     - Thank goodness people didn't consider me unworthy of befriending.  JenniferZ   Dec-24-08 02:56 PM   #100 
        - Were you openly racist?  Starbucks Anarchist   Dec-24-08 03:16 PM   #105 
        - Yes, I was openly racist. You wouldn't believe the things I thought  JenniferZ   Dec-24-08 03:21 PM   #106 
        - And you said these things directly to or around nonwhite people?  Starbucks Anarchist   Dec-24-08 03:23 PM   #108 
        - Of course I did. I thought there was nothing wrong with it, so why  JenniferZ   Dec-24-08 03:26 PM   #109 
           - Good, then you're the exception.  Starbucks Anarchist   Dec-24-08 03:31 PM   #110 
        - It's true, because I was the King of Scotland at the time.  U4ikLefty   Dec-24-08 10:52 PM   #150 
           - Hmm, been hitting the eggnog already, eh? Happy holidays.  JenniferZ   Dec-25-08 10:38 AM   #159 
        - See my post #94 on the subject. nt  JenniferZ   Dec-24-08 03:22 PM   #107 
        - Your posts in this thread are amazing! Thank you so much! nt  HamdenRice   Dec-25-08 06:33 AM   #155 
     - You speak the TRUTH. If every black person ignored every racist...  Number23   Dec-24-08 02:34 PM   #96 
        - There's a huge difference between ignoring and befriending.  Starbucks Anarchist   Dec-24-08 03:04 PM   #103 
        - Exactly. And one cannot befriend someone if they are ignoring them.  Number23   Dec-24-08 04:02 PM   #112 
           - You said "if every black person ignored every racist," not ignored every white person.  Starbucks Anarchist   Dec-24-08 04:10 PM   #114 
              - You misunderstand. In my case, *I* was the bigot  Number23   Dec-24-08 06:14 PM   #126 
                 - Exactly. That is how it was for many of us. nt  JenniferZ   Dec-25-08 10:54 AM   #160 
        - Oh. My. God. Thank. You !!!!!!!  HamdenRice   Dec-24-08 05:04 PM   #119 
           - Indeed. I did Dallas with a school chum.  Karenina   Dec-24-08 08:32 PM   #144 
  - I love that you included George Wallace.  ieoeja   Dec-24-08 10:28 AM   #66 
  - "It's the only thing that finally worked for Wallace!" -- actually, no. See post 55.  HamdenRice   Dec-24-08 10:33 AM   #68 
     - You're losing your own argument HamdenRice  bluedawg12   Dec-24-08 10:44 AM   #73 
  - Robert Byrd is still a disgusting racist and homophobe. nt.  IndianaJones   Dec-24-08 10:37 AM   #70 
  - I'll tell you honestly  wryter2000   Dec-24-08 11:55 AM   #79 
  - Isn't there a DU'er who was once a Aryan Nation skinhead?  Cheap_Trick   Dec-24-08 12:30 PM   #84 
  - FANTASTIC point  Number23   Dec-24-08 02:38 PM   #97 
  - I changed, too. I wasn't a skinhead, but I changed drastically. It can happen. nt  JenniferZ   Dec-24-08 02:42 PM   #98 
  - did DU highlight his bigot diaries? send racist threads to the greatest? no? then what was ur point?  bettyellen   Dec-24-08 04:20 PM   #116 
     - If I could understand what your point is...  Number23   Dec-24-08 06:17 PM   #127 
     - because the difference between a former bigot and a currently practicing one is LOST ON YOU?  bettyellen   Dec-24-08 07:13 PM   #132 
     - Did the ex-skinhead DUer influence this site *while* he was a skinhead?  Starbucks Anarchist   Dec-24-08 07:14 PM   #133 
        - IF Grandma had balls, she'd be Grandpa  Number23   Dec-24-08 07:20 PM   #134 
           - Rick Warren is a bigot NOW, so my analogy stands.  Starbucks Anarchist   Dec-24-08 07:28 PM   #136 
           - Who reaches out is the issue now??  Number23   Dec-24-08 07:36 PM   #139 
              - what sounds stupid is that you are confusing bestowing an honor with reaching out....  bettyellen   Dec-24-08 07:44 PM   #140 
              - In this thread, it certainly is.  Starbucks Anarchist   Dec-24-08 08:16 PM   #141 
                 - Starbucks, it appears that we even have a different opinion of what this thread is about!  Number23   Dec-24-08 08:20 PM   #142 
                    - The OP was abundantly clear about what his post was about.  Starbucks Anarchist   Dec-24-08 08:24 PM   #143 
                       - It is about both!! Sweet Jesus!  Number23   Dec-24-08 09:54 PM   #145 
                          - No, I think people wanting civil rights shouldn't reach out to those that hate them.  Starbucks Anarchist   Dec-24-08 10:05 PM   #146 
                             - Thank goodness people like you didn't lead the civil rights movement or the ANC! nt  HamdenRice   Dec-25-08 06:17 AM   #154 
                                - If you led it, Rosa Parks would still be on the back of the bus.  Starbucks Anarchist   Dec-25-08 10:12 AM   #158 
                                   - good Lord, you are lecturing an African American who participated in the anti-apartheid struggle in  Douglas Carpenter   Dec-25-08 11:12 AM   #162 
                                      - Deleted sub-thread  Name removed   Dec-25-08 11:19 AM   #163 
           - thee inaugural's moved t the West Village?!? Omigod, I am so sorry then- you actually have a point!  bettyellen   Dec-24-08 07:29 PM   #137 
     - Uh, the POINT of my post was that people CAN change.  Cheap_Trick   Dec-25-08 03:31 AM   #153 
  - Yeah, my good buddy, GhostintheMachine  HamdenRice   Dec-24-08 05:05 PM   #120 
  - Elevating someone on a national stage is not reaching out to bigots.  sfexpat2000   Dec-24-08 01:52 PM   #91 
  - If Warren were interested in judicial law that might be different...  AntiFascist   Dec-24-08 01:56 PM   #92 
  - I changed. And...  JenniferZ   Dec-24-08 02:14 PM   #94 
  - Nice Post.....People like you make the world a better place....  firedupdem   Dec-24-08 02:57 PM   #101 
     - Thank you honorary jen!!! If there is one thing I am proud about,  JenniferZ   Dec-24-08 03:04 PM   #102 
  - Change for some is inevitable, but someone/something has to reach them: The Road To Damascus  bridgit   Dec-24-08 02:48 PM   #99 
  - Thx, K&R and a few quotes on enemies:  yowzayowzayowza   Dec-24-08 03:09 PM   #104 
  - when did Warren stop being a bigot? Oh, it;s another false analogy- big fucking suprise there..  bettyellen   Dec-24-08 04:01 PM   #111 
  - the analogies above did NOT change with their first encounters.. they changed over time  Douglas Carpenter   Dec-24-08 05:24 PM   #122 
     - and the sad thing is, the OP os trying to "educate" us about "history" using false analogies  bettyellen   Dec-24-08 05:50 PM   #124 
        - all analogies are less than perfect by definition. but I don't see anything false  Douglas Carpenter   Dec-24-08 05:59 PM   #125 
           - he's comparing giving a post to a former bigot to honoring a currently practicing bigot. it;s bull  bettyellen   Dec-24-08 07:04 PM   #130 
              - these people were not FORMER bigots when interaction began -.they were still practicing bigots  Douglas Carpenter   Dec-24-08 07:25 PM   #135 
                 - back to Black, Hugo. who was a former bigot when appointed to the court. making this OP BULLSHIT  bettyellen   Dec-24-08 07:32 PM   #138 
  - Is it still 1937?  boppers   Dec-24-08 05:14 PM   #121 
  - K & R. Hatred (of Warren) begets more hatred. Abe Lincoln "got it".  NYC_SKP   Dec-24-08 05:24 PM   #123 
  - Abe Lincoln indeed 'got it', as in: got it in the head.  Warren Stupidity   Dec-24-08 10:09 PM   #147 
  - I was too young at the time to remember clearly.  NYC_SKP   Dec-24-08 10:37 PM   #149 
  - Protests honoring bigots is time honored.  bluedawg12   Dec-25-08 12:15 PM   #164 
  - When Warren becomes an Ex-Bigot then your analogy will be valid.  ThomCat   Dec-24-08 06:23 PM   #128 
  - exactly!  bettyellen   Dec-24-08 07:05 PM   #131 
  - If Rick Warren had been anti-LGBT in the past , but had since reformed, I would have had no problem  Pushed To The Left   Dec-24-08 10:24 PM   #148 
  - How do you know 2 months from now he will have changed his mind?  RollWithIt   Dec-25-08 07:17 PM   #166 
  - Very good examples, even Etheridge is willing to talk and sh'e no-ones fool from>  cooolandrew   Dec-24-08 10:58 PM   #151 
  - Depends on the bigot and the circumstances.  Hansel   Dec-24-08 11:30 PM   #152 
  - I think it is entirely possible that Obama and his strategists wanted this controversy...  DCBob   Dec-25-08 06:46 AM   #156 
  - Unfortunately you might be right.  Hansel   Dec-25-08 10:09 AM   #157 
     - I hear what you are saying but...  DCBob   Dec-25-08 11:01 AM   #161 
  - Bigots change for the better all the time. That being said...  Two Sheds   Dec-26-08 09:00 AM   #167 
  - "no incentive to change even if he were inclined"  HamdenRice   Dec-26-08 09:07 AM   #168 
  - Until they change, never give them legitimacy and a platform to spread their hate  Better Believe It   Dec-26-08 09:36 AM   #169 
  - Don't give a bigot a podium until he is converted. When Rick Warren sees the light about gays then..  Spectral Music   Dec-26-08 09:58 AM   #171 

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