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Wed Dec-24-08 10:12 AM
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| 63. Yes, reach out to Rick Warren. |
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But NEVER FOR ONE SINGLE INSTANT, let him EVER forget that to we "enlightened ones", he's lower than pond scum! That will show the world that "we" mean business! You betcha!
January Twenty First of next year, can't come too soon enough for me! How about the rest of you? No? Inauguration Day will be just like the movie, "Groundhog Day" to some of you? Hmmmm; makes one wonder!
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| -Never, EVER, reach out to bigots! They NEVER change. Right? No? Maybe? |
HamdenRice |
Dec-24-08 07:57 AM |
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Reaching out is one thing; giving prominence to is quite another. |
WinkyDink |
Dec-24-08 07:59 AM |
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A Supreme Court position is not prominent? |
HamdenRice |
Dec-24-08 08:03 AM |
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Got me there! |
WinkyDink |
Dec-24-08 08:13 AM |
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Was he a noted bigot when selected for Supreme Court Justice? |
YankmeCrankme |
Dec-24-08 08:14 AM |
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He was being opportunistic, as was Wallace, and as is Warren |
HamdenRice |
Dec-24-08 08:17 AM |
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But, you used Black as an example. Was he being opportunistic? |
YankmeCrankme |
Dec-24-08 08:29 AM |
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Obama playing chess? |
bvar22 |
Dec-24-08 09:55 AM |
#58 |
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One symbolic sacrifice of two minutes of generic inclusion to foment... |
yowzayowzayowza |
Dec-24-08 01:06 PM |
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Sure. |
bvar22 |
Dec-24-08 01:37 PM |
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Nothing ventured, nothing gained. n/t |
yowzayowzayowza |
Dec-24-08 02:00 PM |
#93 |
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Was Black in the Klan when he was appointed? |
NWHarkness |
Dec-24-08 08:14 AM |
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Black was not spreading hate speech at the time |
Bluenorthwest |
Dec-24-08 08:46 AM |
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Very interesting perspective. I believe it's a gradual process |
HamdenRice |
Dec-24-08 09:24 AM |
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Interesting how you dissemble whe it turns out Black was not in the Klan |
bluedawg12 |
Dec-24-08 09:52 AM |
#54 |
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But the actual point |
Bluenorthwest |
Dec-24-08 10:08 AM |
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LOL, but there's no evidence this change can or will take place, but toss teh gays under the bus |
bettyellen |
Dec-24-08 04:06 PM |
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The point is well-taken... |
Orsino |
Dec-24-08 12:22 PM |
#83 |
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I was just about to post the exact same sentiment |
TechBear_Seattle |
Dec-24-08 08:38 AM |
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Reaching out, yes. But not when it's MY personal issue being addressed. Hypocrite. |
cryingshame |
Dec-24-08 08:49 AM |
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How am I being hypocritical? n/t |
TechBear_Seattle |
Dec-24-08 08:51 AM |
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How on earth is theat hypocritical? nt |
LaydeeBug |
Dec-24-08 01:49 PM |
#89 |
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civil rights are someone else's personal issue? i know this is true for a few here... |
bettyellen |
Dec-24-08 04:22 PM |
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that is the most ludicrous attempts at masking hypocrisy. Like having a Peace Summit is more |
cryingshame |
Dec-24-08 08:48 AM |
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WTH is your problem?? I'm only reiterating the stance of the President-elect, who said he'd "reach |
WinkyDink |
Dec-24-08 12:16 PM |
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bullshit. It's not "just a two minute parayer"...it's a two minute prayer on NATIONAL TELEVISION in |
LaydeeBug |
Dec-24-08 01:52 PM |
#90 |
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Yes, reach out to Rick Warren. |
pnorman |
Dec-24-08 10:12 AM |
#63 |
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Tell it to Obama. |
WinkyDink |
Dec-24-08 12:20 PM |
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thank you for that, it was exactly what I was thinking when I read the OP. If Obama wants to reach |
LaydeeBug |
Dec-24-08 01:49 PM |
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WHAT? WHAT? WHAT? Who did they choose to meet with? THE ENEMY! |
RollWithIt |
Dec-25-08 07:16 PM |
#165 |
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Throw shoes at them, spit on them but never reach out to them! |
santamargarita |
Dec-24-08 08:01 AM |
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Should we spit on all people who oppose marriage equality? |
cali |
Dec-24-08 08:25 AM |
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I think santamargarita was being ironic |
HamdenRice |
Dec-24-08 09:13 AM |
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You really need to go on ignore now |
Marrah_G |
Dec-24-08 08:05 AM |
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No, actually I'm trying to inform people of the real history of the civil rights movement |
HamdenRice |
Dec-24-08 08:13 AM |
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I guess it makes us wonder at your actual intent, here. |
Lerkfish |
Dec-24-08 08:18 AM |
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"to inform people? really?" - yes |
HamdenRice |
Dec-24-08 08:21 AM |
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gee...then tell us all about |
Bluenorthwest |
Dec-24-08 08:57 AM |
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did I use the word "homophobe"? nope. |
Lerkfish |
Dec-24-08 09:41 AM |
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I wasn't referring to you |
HamdenRice |
Dec-24-08 10:08 AM |
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I enjoyed your post, thanks... |
santamargarita |
Dec-24-08 08:20 AM |
#16 |
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And people twisting MLK and Ghandi's real words and intent by trying to mask their own hate |
cryingshame |
Dec-24-08 08:52 AM |
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I'm going take a lesson from you and do the same... |
Veruca Salt |
Dec-24-08 11:56 AM |
#80 |
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People don't necessarily change because you reach out to them... |
YankmeCrankme |
Dec-24-08 08:12 AM |
#5 |
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Honor them when they earn that honor - and turn away from bigotry. |
bluedawg12 |
Dec-24-08 09:39 AM |
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I am grateful to the people who did not "turn away" from me or my |
JenniferZ |
Dec-24-08 02:34 PM |
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aren't you gratefull they didn;t give you a slot on national tv when you were a bigot? |
bettyellen |
Dec-24-08 04:17 PM |
#115 |
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Byrd is still a raging homophobe. I am sure in the C-SPAN |
jonnyblitz |
Dec-24-08 08:13 AM |
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Byrd |
Rebubula |
Dec-24-08 08:43 AM |
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You have no damned idea what Senator Byrd does in private. |
babylonsister |
Dec-24-08 09:08 AM |
#35 |
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Glad to see... |
Rebubula |
Dec-24-08 09:21 AM |
#40 |
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he still uses the n-word in public. in private? no way. nt. |
IndianaJones |
Dec-24-08 10:38 AM |
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Interesting perspective. I've only been in W. Va. once |
HamdenRice |
Dec-24-08 09:19 AM |
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Perhaps... |
Rebubula |
Dec-24-08 09:24 AM |
#42 |
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They never met a Black man they didn't like. And never liked a Black man they didn't meet. |
ieoeja |
Dec-24-08 10:22 AM |
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Well, that's actually part of the problem... |
DutchLiberal |
Dec-26-08 09:54 AM |
#170 |
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Really? |
Matt_in_STL |
Dec-24-08 08:59 AM |
#33 |
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Would you please not elevate Warren's platform. |
merh |
Dec-24-08 10:47 AM |
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Yeah, you know, it's really impossible for greedy, bigoted, small-minded people to change. |
BerryBush |
Dec-24-08 08:15 AM |
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ROFL -- what a "season appropriate" comparison! nt |
HamdenRice |
Dec-24-08 08:27 AM |
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He didn't change because people around him reached out to him, because they did. |
YankmeCrankme |
Dec-24-08 08:31 AM |
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You don't think the ghosts didn't, in a way, reach out to him? |
WritingIsMyReligion |
Dec-24-08 09:17 AM |
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I'm really not supportive of your point |
Lerkfish |
Dec-24-08 08:17 AM |
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I cannot speak for the OP, but I've had the "twisting myself into a pretzel" accusation hurled |
PerpetuallyDazed |
Dec-24-08 09:22 AM |
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Of coures some do both -- there have been posts AND OPs about both |
LostinVA |
Dec-24-08 09:24 AM |
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Well, I shouldn't claim to know where one's heart lies |
PerpetuallyDazed |
Dec-24-08 09:31 AM |
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Of course I question that -- not everyone on here is liberal, or even a DEm |
LostinVA |
Dec-24-08 09:46 AM |
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"or even a DEm" -- How true. Some DUers have even set up anti-Democratic Party websites nt |
HamdenRice |
Dec-24-08 09:56 AM |
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Obama's not honoring Warren -- he's putting the squeeze on him. |
IMModerate |
Dec-24-08 09:54 AM |
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Precisely, an expected byproduct of the inclusion policy... |
yowzayowzayowza |
Dec-24-08 01:47 PM |
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I appreciate the long term perspective and hope |
JohnnyLib2 |
Dec-24-08 08:19 AM |
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Great post |
alwysdrunk |
Dec-24-08 08:49 AM |
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Good job... |
S_E_Fudd |
Dec-24-08 08:51 AM |
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Hugo Black Knew He Was In Service to ALL AMERICANS When He Traded White Robes for Black Robes |
Crisco |
Dec-24-08 08:54 AM |
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Byrd is ludricrious to have in there as is Hugo Black |
dsc |
Dec-24-08 09:02 AM |
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Uhhh |
Rebubula |
Dec-24-08 09:08 AM |
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Oh for fuck's sake. We really need this right now. |
PelosiFan |
Dec-24-08 09:32 AM |
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He must have gotten a new straw man for Christmas. |
bluedawg12 |
Dec-24-08 09:42 AM |
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Negotiate politically and honor them AFTER they change. |
bluedawg12 |
Dec-24-08 09:34 AM |
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Having George Wallace give the Keynote Speech at the Democratic Convention |
Warren Stupidity |
Dec-24-08 09:35 AM |
#48 |
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Remember the time MLK invited Wallace to the Ebenezer Church to speak? |
bluedawg12 |
Dec-24-08 09:41 AM |
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You probably don't know as much about Wallace as you think. He became popular with African Americans |
HamdenRice |
Dec-24-08 09:52 AM |
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right over your head |
Warren Stupidity |
Dec-24-08 09:55 AM |
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Kick and recommended. |
Douglas Carpenter |
Dec-24-08 10:05 AM |
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Then find any racist you can and befriend them. |
Starbucks Anarchist |
Dec-24-08 10:19 AM |
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I've had many racist friends, although that's not the point |
HamdenRice |
Dec-24-08 10:30 AM |
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Odd, because I don't have any racist friends. |
Starbucks Anarchist |
Dec-24-08 10:36 AM |
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Well, no wonder you are so naive |
HamdenRice |
Dec-24-08 10:42 AM |
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How the other side thinks? And you call ME naive? |
Starbucks Anarchist |
Dec-24-08 10:48 AM |
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What a very sad view you have |
HamdenRice |
Dec-24-08 11:00 AM |
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Surrounded by people I can respect and who respect me, sure. |
Starbucks Anarchist |
Dec-24-08 11:05 AM |
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I see your grown up work for gay marriage a lot. |
bluedawg12 |
Dec-24-08 11:21 AM |
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while it's unfortunate you grew up in a cess pool of racism being FORCED to accept it... |
bettyellen |
Dec-24-08 04:34 PM |
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I think he wouldn't have a problem with Rosa Parks sitting in the back of the bus. |
Starbucks Anarchist |
Dec-24-08 06:29 PM |
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Thank goodness people didn't consider me unworthy of befriending. |
JenniferZ |
Dec-24-08 02:56 PM |
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Were you openly racist? |
Starbucks Anarchist |
Dec-24-08 03:16 PM |
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Yes, I was openly racist. You wouldn't believe the things I thought |
JenniferZ |
Dec-24-08 03:21 PM |
#106 |
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And you said these things directly to or around nonwhite people? |
Starbucks Anarchist |
Dec-24-08 03:23 PM |
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Of course I did. I thought there was nothing wrong with it, so why |
JenniferZ |
Dec-24-08 03:26 PM |
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Good, then you're the exception. |
Starbucks Anarchist |
Dec-24-08 03:31 PM |
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It's true, because I was the King of Scotland at the time. |
U4ikLefty |
Dec-24-08 10:52 PM |
#150 |
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Hmm, been hitting the eggnog already, eh? Happy holidays. |
JenniferZ |
Dec-25-08 10:38 AM |
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See my post #94 on the subject. nt |
JenniferZ |
Dec-24-08 03:22 PM |
#107 |
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Your posts in this thread are amazing! Thank you so much! nt |
HamdenRice |
Dec-25-08 06:33 AM |
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You speak the TRUTH. If every black person ignored every racist... |
Number23 |
Dec-24-08 02:34 PM |
#96 |
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There's a huge difference between ignoring and befriending. |
Starbucks Anarchist |
Dec-24-08 03:04 PM |
#103 |
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Exactly. And one cannot befriend someone if they are ignoring them. |
Number23 |
Dec-24-08 04:02 PM |
#112 |
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You said "if every black person ignored every racist," not ignored every white person. |
Starbucks Anarchist |
Dec-24-08 04:10 PM |
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You misunderstand. In my case, *I* was the bigot |
Number23 |
Dec-24-08 06:14 PM |
#126 |
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Exactly. That is how it was for many of us. nt |
JenniferZ |
Dec-25-08 10:54 AM |
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Oh. My. God. Thank. You !!!!!!! |
HamdenRice |
Dec-24-08 05:04 PM |
#119 |
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Indeed. I did Dallas with a school chum. |
Karenina |
Dec-24-08 08:32 PM |
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I love that you included George Wallace. |
ieoeja |
Dec-24-08 10:28 AM |
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"It's the only thing that finally worked for Wallace!" -- actually, no. See post 55. |
HamdenRice |
Dec-24-08 10:33 AM |
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You're losing your own argument HamdenRice |
bluedawg12 |
Dec-24-08 10:44 AM |
#73 |
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Robert Byrd is still a disgusting racist and homophobe. nt. |
IndianaJones |
Dec-24-08 10:37 AM |
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I'll tell you honestly |
wryter2000 |
Dec-24-08 11:55 AM |
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Isn't there a DU'er who was once a Aryan Nation skinhead? |
Cheap_Trick |
Dec-24-08 12:30 PM |
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FANTASTIC point |
Number23 |
Dec-24-08 02:38 PM |
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I changed, too. I wasn't a skinhead, but I changed drastically. It can happen. nt |
JenniferZ |
Dec-24-08 02:42 PM |
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did DU highlight his bigot diaries? send racist threads to the greatest? no? then what was ur point? |
bettyellen |
Dec-24-08 04:20 PM |
#116 |
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If I could understand what your point is... |
Number23 |
Dec-24-08 06:17 PM |
#127 |
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because the difference between a former bigot and a currently practicing one is LOST ON YOU? |
bettyellen |
Dec-24-08 07:13 PM |
#132 |
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Did the ex-skinhead DUer influence this site *while* he was a skinhead? |
Starbucks Anarchist |
Dec-24-08 07:14 PM |
#133 |
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IF Grandma had balls, she'd be Grandpa |
Number23 |
Dec-24-08 07:20 PM |
#134 |
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Rick Warren is a bigot NOW, so my analogy stands. |
Starbucks Anarchist |
Dec-24-08 07:28 PM |
#136 |
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Who reaches out is the issue now?? |
Number23 |
Dec-24-08 07:36 PM |
#139 |
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what sounds stupid is that you are confusing bestowing an honor with reaching out.... |
bettyellen |
Dec-24-08 07:44 PM |
#140 |
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In this thread, it certainly is. |
Starbucks Anarchist |
Dec-24-08 08:16 PM |
#141 |
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Starbucks, it appears that we even have a different opinion of what this thread is about! |
Number23 |
Dec-24-08 08:20 PM |
#142 |
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The OP was abundantly clear about what his post was about. |
Starbucks Anarchist |
Dec-24-08 08:24 PM |
#143 |
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It is about both!! Sweet Jesus! |
Number23 |
Dec-24-08 09:54 PM |
#145 |
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No, I think people wanting civil rights shouldn't reach out to those that hate them. |
Starbucks Anarchist |
Dec-24-08 10:05 PM |
#146 |
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Thank goodness people like you didn't lead the civil rights movement or the ANC! nt |
HamdenRice |
Dec-25-08 06:17 AM |
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If you led it, Rosa Parks would still be on the back of the bus. |
Starbucks Anarchist |
Dec-25-08 10:12 AM |
#158 |
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good Lord, you are lecturing an African American who participated in the anti-apartheid struggle in |
Douglas Carpenter |
Dec-25-08 11:12 AM |
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Deleted sub-thread |
Name removed |
Dec-25-08 11:19 AM |
#163 |
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thee inaugural's moved t the West Village?!? Omigod, I am so sorry then- you actually have a point! |
bettyellen |
Dec-24-08 07:29 PM |
#137 |
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Uh, the POINT of my post was that people CAN change. |
Cheap_Trick |
Dec-25-08 03:31 AM |
#153 |
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Yeah, my good buddy, GhostintheMachine |
HamdenRice |
Dec-24-08 05:05 PM |
#120 |
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Elevating someone on a national stage is not reaching out to bigots. |
sfexpat2000 |
Dec-24-08 01:52 PM |
#91 |
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If Warren were interested in judicial law that might be different... |
AntiFascist |
Dec-24-08 01:56 PM |
#92 |
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I changed. And... |
JenniferZ |
Dec-24-08 02:14 PM |
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Nice Post.....People like you make the world a better place.... |
firedupdem |
Dec-24-08 02:57 PM |
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Thank you honorary jen!!! If there is one thing I am proud about, |
JenniferZ |
Dec-24-08 03:04 PM |
#102 |
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Change for some is inevitable, but someone/something has to reach them: The Road To Damascus |
bridgit |
Dec-24-08 02:48 PM |
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Thx, K&R and a few quotes on enemies: |
yowzayowzayowza |
Dec-24-08 03:09 PM |
#104 |
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when did Warren stop being a bigot? Oh, it;s another false analogy- big fucking suprise there.. |
bettyellen |
Dec-24-08 04:01 PM |
#111 |
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the analogies above did NOT change with their first encounters.. they changed over time |
Douglas Carpenter |
Dec-24-08 05:24 PM |
#122 |
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and the sad thing is, the OP os trying to "educate" us about "history" using false analogies |
bettyellen |
Dec-24-08 05:50 PM |
#124 |
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all analogies are less than perfect by definition. but I don't see anything false |
Douglas Carpenter |
Dec-24-08 05:59 PM |
#125 |
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he's comparing giving a post to a former bigot to honoring a currently practicing bigot. it;s bull |
bettyellen |
Dec-24-08 07:04 PM |
#130 |
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these people were not FORMER bigots when interaction began -.they were still practicing bigots |
Douglas Carpenter |
Dec-24-08 07:25 PM |
#135 |
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back to Black, Hugo. who was a former bigot when appointed to the court. making this OP BULLSHIT |
bettyellen |
Dec-24-08 07:32 PM |
#138 |
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Is it still 1937? |
boppers |
Dec-24-08 05:14 PM |
#121 |
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K & R. Hatred (of Warren) begets more hatred. Abe Lincoln "got it". |
NYC_SKP |
Dec-24-08 05:24 PM |
#123 |
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Abe Lincoln indeed 'got it', as in: got it in the head. |
Warren Stupidity |
Dec-24-08 10:09 PM |
#147 |
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I was too young at the time to remember clearly. |
NYC_SKP |
Dec-24-08 10:37 PM |
#149 |
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Protests honoring bigots is time honored. |
bluedawg12 |
Dec-25-08 12:15 PM |
#164 |
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When Warren becomes an Ex-Bigot then your analogy will be valid. |
ThomCat |
Dec-24-08 06:23 PM |
#128 |
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exactly! |
bettyellen |
Dec-24-08 07:05 PM |
#131 |
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If Rick Warren had been anti-LGBT in the past , but had since reformed, I would have had no problem |
Pushed To The Left |
Dec-24-08 10:24 PM |
#148 |
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How do you know 2 months from now he will have changed his mind? |
RollWithIt |
Dec-25-08 07:17 PM |
#166 |
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Very good examples, even Etheridge is willing to talk and sh'e no-ones fool from> |
cooolandrew |
Dec-24-08 10:58 PM |
#151 |
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Depends on the bigot and the circumstances. |
Hansel |
Dec-24-08 11:30 PM |
#152 |
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I think it is entirely possible that Obama and his strategists wanted this controversy... |
DCBob |
Dec-25-08 06:46 AM |
#156 |
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Unfortunately you might be right. |
Hansel |
Dec-25-08 10:09 AM |
#157 |
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I hear what you are saying but... |
DCBob |
Dec-25-08 11:01 AM |
#161 |
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Bigots change for the better all the time. That being said... |
Two Sheds |
Dec-26-08 09:00 AM |
#167 |
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"no incentive to change even if he were inclined" |
HamdenRice |
Dec-26-08 09:07 AM |
#168 |
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Until they change, never give them legitimacy and a platform to spread their hate |
Better Believe It |
Dec-26-08 09:36 AM |
#169 |
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Don't give a bigot a podium until he is converted. When Rick Warren sees the light about gays then.. |
Spectral Music |
Dec-26-08 09:58 AM |
#171 |
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