| -I support gay marriage, I'm offended by Warren at the Inaugural BUT these comparisons to RACE are BS |
wndycty |
Dec-23-08 08:40 AM |
#0 |
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How Do You Feel About June Marriage? |
MannyGoldstein |
Dec-23-08 08:43 AM |
#1 |
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Oh I'm against that SHIT |
wndycty |
Dec-23-08 08:47 AM |
#6 |
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lol |
edwardlindy |
Dec-23-08 08:48 AM |
#8 |
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No one is saying they're exactly the same, except that they are all wrong and all bigotry. |
mondo joe |
Dec-23-08 08:43 AM |
#2 |
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I agree they're not the same, but so many people say they are |
Truth Hurts A Lot |
Dec-23-08 09:28 AM |
#60 |
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I think they are analogous, and in some ways particularly so. |
mondo joe |
Dec-23-08 11:30 AM |
#109 |
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I doubt its much comfort to those with someone standing on their |
roguevalley |
Dec-23-08 02:36 PM |
#139 |
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I agree. No comfort. And no help. NT |
mondo joe |
Dec-23-08 03:08 PM |
#140 |
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About the gay "Uncle Tom"... |
AntiFascist |
Dec-23-08 05:56 PM |
#174 |
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"I do think that complaining about it is being overly sensitive and inflammatory" |
wndycty |
Dec-24-08 07:45 AM |
#216 |
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When Obama made the comment at the debate at Saddleback church... |
AntiFascist |
Dec-25-08 02:58 PM |
#263 |
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I don't find them to be BS at all. Both are civil rights issues, |
MadHound |
Dec-23-08 08:46 AM |
#3 |
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Who is more likely to be unemployed? a straight Black man or a gay white male? |
wndycty |
Dec-23-08 08:50 AM |
#12 |
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Sounds like you're trying to establish a hierarchy of who has it worse. NT |
mondo joe |
Dec-23-08 08:51 AM |
#15 |
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Not trying to establish a hierarchy, I'm just showing that we ALL have to face discrimination. . . |
wndycty |
Dec-23-08 08:53 AM |
#19 |
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Discrimination and human rights are different things. |
PeaceNikki |
Dec-23-08 08:54 AM |
#20 |
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Human rights like the right to drive while Black . . . |
wndycty |
Dec-23-08 08:56 AM |
#25 |
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Wow, you're thick |
PeaceNikki |
Dec-23-08 09:00 AM |
#32 |
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And no where in my post did I say we shouldn't did I? |
wndycty |
Dec-23-08 09:01 AM |
#34 |
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Exactly right. Straight blacks have the right to marry, gays don't. We are both discriminated |
PelosiFan |
Dec-23-08 07:34 PM |
#193 |
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Funny, your posts seem to indicate the opposite. NT |
mondo joe |
Dec-23-08 08:55 AM |
#22 |
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Oh Joe did I upset you. . . |
wndycty |
Dec-23-08 09:00 AM |
#31 |
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No, I'm not upset. And I don't see how you think anything I've posted here has |
mondo joe |
Dec-23-08 09:02 AM |
#36 |
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Bingo! |
ruggerson |
Dec-23-08 09:03 AM |
#39 |
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It's not a pissing match to determine who "has it worse". All are entitled to the same rights. |
PeaceNikki |
Dec-23-08 08:53 AM |
#18 |
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and if we had a pissing match, would we all be judged equally? I fear not. |
predfan |
Dec-23-08 09:24 AM |
#56 |
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Who the fuck cares? |
Rockholm |
Dec-23-08 08:56 AM |
#23 |
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And WHO'S JOB IS PROTECTED UNDER THE LAW right now |
Lex |
Dec-23-08 09:58 AM |
#69 |
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You can be fired for being gay, but not for being black. |
Starbucks Anarchist |
Dec-23-08 10:04 AM |
#76 |
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everyday there are people who can not get the job in the first place |
salin |
Dec-23-08 11:03 AM |
#98 |
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It is all an outrage, but I was correcting the OP's mistaken assumption. |
Starbucks Anarchist |
Dec-23-08 11:04 AM |
#99 |
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Point taken |
salin |
Dec-23-08 11:18 AM |
#107 |
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What is my mistaken assumption? |
wndycty |
Dec-23-08 05:03 PM |
#153 |
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See post #12. |
Starbucks Anarchist |
Dec-23-08 05:27 PM |
#165 |
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That happens with gender as well. |
polmaven |
Dec-24-08 04:05 PM |
#240 |
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You must have missed the part where you wrote: |
MetricSystem |
Dec-23-08 11:01 AM |
#96 |
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You're viewing this as a matter of economics |
Neecy |
Dec-23-08 11:10 AM |
#103 |
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I don't know about where you live but where I live it would be a LOT harder for a gay white male to |
musicblind |
Dec-23-08 11:47 AM |
#118 |
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Or how about a gay black male? |
sniffa |
Dec-23-08 06:23 PM |
#183 |
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Who is more likely to be disowned by their family? |
jumptheshadow |
Dec-24-08 06:28 PM |
#252 |
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Can you tell if a person is gay by just looking at them? |
jeffrey_X |
Dec-23-08 05:14 PM |
#158 |
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In certain cases, but here's a point some fail to realize: |
Starbucks Anarchist |
Dec-23-08 05:29 PM |
#167 |
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Yes, you can, with many gay people |
jumptheshadow |
Dec-24-08 06:37 PM |
#253 |
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Often, yes. And even when you can't, it's not really a benefit. |
mondo joe |
Dec-24-08 07:11 PM |
#255 |
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Do you know the history of & significance of this image? |
baldguy |
Dec-23-08 08:47 AM |
#4 |
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I do. And? |
cali |
Dec-23-08 08:57 AM |
#26 |
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Thanks for getting it Cali . . . |
wndycty |
Dec-23-08 09:34 AM |
#62 |
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The OP said civil rights for gays is a worthy cause, |
baldguy |
Dec-23-08 11:37 AM |
#114 |
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Yes, he was implying that the black experience was worse |
jumptheshadow |
Dec-24-08 07:09 PM |
#254 |
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In the end, we all have our OPINIONS. |
OwnedByFerrets |
Dec-23-08 08:47 AM |
#5 |
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You're not allowed to be offended. We're just reaching out . You must embrace us. |
Malikshah |
Dec-23-08 08:47 AM |
#7 |
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Can we say that they're sometimes the same and sometimes not? Matthew Shepard probably thought ... |
GodlessBiker |
Dec-23-08 08:48 AM |
#9 |
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Here's my take on the comparison between race inequality and gender inequality....... |
predfan |
Dec-23-08 08:48 AM |
#10 |
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You seem to be the one interested in "establishing a hierarchy" here |
katandmoon |
Dec-23-08 08:49 AM |
#11 |
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Which posts are saying LGBT's have it worse than any other group? |
mondo joe |
Dec-23-08 08:51 AM |
#13 |
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Every post that says, "...but YOUR rights are protected under the law." |
jenmito |
Dec-23-08 11:12 AM |
#104 |
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I don't construe that to mean LGBT people have it worse in every way, |
mondo joe |
Dec-23-08 03:56 PM |
#142 |
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Having your rights protected by law doesn't mean much... |
jenmito |
Dec-23-08 07:09 PM |
#189 |
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It seems like people who say they don't like the comparison keep making it. |
mondo joe |
Dec-23-08 08:56 PM |
#203 |
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I agree with you, wndy, although many over here will find your post offensive. |
Katzenkavalier |
Dec-23-08 08:51 AM |
#14 |
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But since I can get married. . . |
wndycty |
Dec-23-08 08:52 AM |
#16 |
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It's interesting that the OP claims you can't say who had it worse, and then follows |
mondo joe |
Dec-23-08 08:53 AM |
#17 |
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That is your problem, not mine. . . |
wndycty |
Dec-23-08 08:54 AM |
#21 |
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Your insincerity is evident. |
mondo joe |
Dec-23-08 08:56 AM |
#24 |
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LOL if you say so, you obviously know what is in my heart |
wndycty |
Dec-23-08 08:57 AM |
#27 |
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I know what you've posted. |
mondo joe |
Dec-23-08 08:59 AM |
#29 |
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Give it a FUCKING break. . . |
wndycty |
Dec-23-08 09:02 AM |
#35 |
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You seem very angry. If you're too upset to have a dialog just say so. |
mondo joe |
Dec-23-08 09:04 AM |
#40 |
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Assuming that you could convince everyone of that, what would you have changed IRL? |
No Elephants |
Dec-23-08 09:24 AM |
#57 |
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Loving v Virginia is the comparison I make. |
Warren Stupidity |
Dec-23-08 08:58 AM |
#28 |
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Especially since the arguments against both same-sex and interracial marriage are |
mondo joe |
Dec-23-08 09:00 AM |
# |
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who exactly are you making this argument to? |
marimour |
Dec-24-08 01:25 PM |
#232 |
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plenty of black people aren't exactly pro-interracial marriage ? |
Warren Stupidity |
Dec-24-08 02:08 PM |
#233 |
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The point of the Loving reference is judicial precedent, not to touch the tender hearts |
mondo joe |
Dec-24-08 07:12 PM |
#256 |
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Typo in your subject line |
ayeshahaqqiqa |
Dec-23-08 08:59 AM |
#30 |
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I fixed it didn't I. For the record I am against may marriage. . .FUCK that shit |
wndycty |
Dec-23-08 09:00 AM |
#33 |
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Please justify your aversion to May marriage......... |
predfan |
Dec-23-08 09:05 AM |
#41 |
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Strait marriages are the best. |
NYC_SKP |
Dec-23-08 09:09 AM |
#44 |
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You say that the comparisons are "offensive" |
ruggerson |
Dec-23-08 09:03 AM |
#37 |
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I didn't see a question here |
wndycty |
Dec-23-08 06:43 PM |
#185 |
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When talking discrimination and bigotry" |
pecwae |
Dec-23-08 09:03 AM |
#38 |
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the hierachy of suffering - it appears to be human nature to establish the hierarchy |
merh |
Dec-23-08 11:41 AM |
#117 |
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A very thoughtful post. Thank you. |
pecwae |
Dec-23-08 12:09 PM |
#125 |
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Cancer patients don't look at each other and say, my cancer is worse than your's. |
merh |
Dec-23-08 12:22 PM |
#129 |
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But neither do they say "you can't compare your cancer to mine." NT |
mondo joe |
Dec-24-08 07:14 PM |
#257 |
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Civil rights are civil rights. The struggles, issues and objectives have common traits. Therefore |
No Elephants |
Dec-23-08 09:06 AM |
#42 |
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Absolutely. Every struggle is unique, and every one has ways that can be described as worse. |
mondo joe |
Dec-23-08 09:08 AM |
#43 |
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"everyone deserves the same rights" |
wndycty |
Dec-23-08 09:10 AM |
#46 |
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Thank you. Now I'm just going to say, and I hope we can do this civilly, |
mondo joe |
Dec-23-08 09:12 AM |
#47 |
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Its funny with your patronizing "I hope we can do this civilly" |
wndycty |
Dec-23-08 09:16 AM |
#48 |
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If you want to construe a sincere effort to have dialog as patronizing, there's not a lot |
mondo joe |
Dec-23-08 09:18 AM |
#50 |
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I never even acted like GLBT issues were limited to gay marriage |
wndycty |
Dec-23-08 09:20 AM |
#52 |
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So if I say there should be no hierarchy, that all struggles are different, and that all |
mondo joe |
Dec-23-08 09:22 AM |
#55 |
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Just because things are not identical, it does not mean that you cannot compare them. Heck, even |
No Elephants |
Dec-23-08 09:21 AM |
#53 |
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Awesome post! nt |
Balderdash |
Dec-23-08 10:15 AM |
#79 |
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Why, thank you. |
No Elephants |
Dec-23-08 06:23 PM |
#182 |
| -
To build upon your point: |
MJDuncan1982 |
Dec-24-08 12:22 PM |
#225 |
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see my post below about the "denialism" in some LGBT quarters (speaking as someone LGBT myself) |
cloudythescribbler |
Dec-23-08 10:00 AM |
#72 |
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From the majority of posts that I have read here on this issue, comparing the two struggles, for the |
IsItJustMe |
Dec-23-08 09:09 AM |
#45 |
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Yup and not only to they fall flat but they also show a lack of appreciation . . . |
wndycty |
Dec-23-08 09:17 AM |
#49 |
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Which comparisons are saying the struggles of other groups are lesser than GLBT's? |
mondo joe |
Dec-23-08 09:19 AM |
#51 |
| -
I never said the lesser I said the same as. . .you are continuing to nitpick every word. . . |
wndycty |
Dec-23-08 09:22 AM |
#54 |
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I'm seeking clarification, and I'm doing so politely. If we agree, I have no issue. |
mondo joe |
Dec-23-08 09:25 AM |
#59 |
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And this shows a lack of appreciation for all the |
Balderdash |
Dec-23-08 10:19 AM |
#80 |
| -
You are doing what you say not to do... |
Bluenorthwest |
Dec-23-08 09:25 AM |
#58 |
| -
I'm not trying to establish a top dog of discrimination. . . |
wndycty |
Dec-23-08 09:29 AM |
#61 |
| -
Your priorities are odd |
Bluenorthwest |
Dec-23-08 10:05 AM |
#77 |
| -
...and we accuse the GOP of playing identity politics. |
Vash the Stampede |
Dec-23-08 09:44 AM |
#63 |
| -
Somehow, some people have convinced themselves that making racist comments ... |
HamdenRice |
Dec-23-08 09:49 AM |
#64 |
| -
Thanks. . . |
wndycty |
Dec-23-08 09:53 AM |
#65 |
| -
I want to be clear that I agree with the message |
Bluenorthwest |
Dec-23-08 10:27 AM |
#86 |
| -
I second this. Thank you for highlighting this aspect. |
political_Dem |
Dec-23-08 10:26 AM |
#84 |
| -
Citations please; if someone is making racist statements on DU they should be alerted |
Veruca Salt |
Dec-23-08 12:04 PM |
#122 |
| -
I second that |
jumptheshadow |
Dec-25-08 12:49 PM |
#262 |
| -
Post a LINK to back that up. |
Starbucks Anarchist |
Dec-23-08 12:57 PM |
#137 |
| -
i've alerted plenty of links, especially after Prop 8. Thankfully they were removed. |
marimour |
Dec-24-08 12:47 PM |
#230 |
| -
I have drawn some of the moral equivalencies |
lwfern |
Dec-23-08 09:55 AM |
#66 |
| -
They are not exactly "THE SAME." It's an ANALOGY. |
Lex |
Dec-23-08 09:57 AM |
#67 |
| -
"Your OP is dangerously devoid of understanding" |
LostinVA |
Dec-23-08 09:59 AM |
#71 |
| -
this thread is just part of the backlash against us for daring to |
jonnyblitz |
Dec-23-08 10:09 AM |
#78 |
| -
Seriously -- I need to lock the keyboard in my trunk |
LostinVA |
Dec-23-08 10:27 AM |
#85 |
| -
Are you FUCKING KIDDING ME? I have criticized Obama over the Warren issue. . . |
wndycty |
Dec-23-08 04:09 PM |
#143 |
| -
+1 |
Veruca Salt |
Dec-23-08 11:13 AM |
#105 |
| -
GLBT rights are just the same as ANY civil rights struggle |
LostinVA |
Dec-23-08 09:58 AM |
#68 |
| -
Exactly so. |
Lex |
Dec-23-08 10:00 AM |
#73 |
| -
Really? |
HamdenRice |
Dec-23-08 10:30 AM |
#88 |
| -
Deleted message |
Name removed |
Dec-23-08 10:49 AM |
#92 |
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Deleted message |
Name removed |
Dec-23-08 10:55 AM |
#93 |
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I'mm actually born and bred in NJ and live there -- oh such ignorance |
LostinVA |
Dec-23-08 11:04 AM |
#100 |
| -
Do some research on what the gay populace lives with in Jamaica... |
Veruca Salt |
Dec-23-08 11:33 AM |
#113 |
| -
forgive me... |
salin |
Dec-23-08 11:01 AM |
#95 |
| -
Your ignorance on the Public Nature of GLBT lynchings bothers me |
LostinVA |
Dec-23-08 11:03 AM |
#97 |
| -
Then please inform me |
salin |
Dec-23-08 11:07 AM |
#101 |
| -
To clarify, since it seems the PM machine to alert is alive and well, |
Moderator |
Dec-23-08 12:24 PM |
#130 |
| -
Are you calling Coretta Scott King a liar? |
Starbucks Anarchist |
Dec-23-08 11:10 AM |
#102 |
| -
Pretty much. |
Bornaginhooligan |
Dec-23-08 12:09 PM |
#124 |
| -
What part of the US did this take place in? |
HamdenRice |
Dec-24-08 06:30 AM |
#212 |
| -
Will this work better for you? |
sniffa |
Dec-29-08 05:47 PM |
#269 |
| -
Coretta Scott King thought so... |
Veruca Salt |
Dec-23-08 09:59 AM |
#70 |
| -
King: "Homophobia is like racism and anti-Semitism and other forms of bigotry" |
Lex |
Dec-23-08 10:02 AM |
#74 |
| -
Yeah, but what did she know about this stuff? |
QC |
Dec-23-08 10:41 AM |
#90 |
| -
Thank you for your post. |
political_Dem |
Dec-23-08 10:04 AM |
#75 |
| -
VERY CRUCIAL ISSUE -- key aspect is that many LGBT rights advocates are in denial |
cloudythescribbler |
Dec-23-08 10:20 AM |
#81 |
| -
Excellent post! |
HamdenRice |
Dec-23-08 10:26 AM |
#83 |
| -
Bravo. |
political_Dem |
Dec-23-08 10:28 AM |
#87 |
| -
Excellent post. |
littlebit |
Dec-23-08 10:58 AM |
#94 |
| -
I don't know why it's considered racist to say 70% of CA blacks voted for Prop8 except when |
mondo joe |
Dec-23-08 11:15 AM |
#106 |
| -
I am not in California - but work with urban youth in the midwest |
salin |
Dec-23-08 11:30 AM |
#108 |
| -
Got your point, and no real disagreement. But it's very striking to me that |
mondo joe |
Dec-23-08 11:32 AM |
#110 |
| -
I missed that earlier discussion |
salin |
Dec-23-08 11:39 AM |
#115 |
| -
Understood. NT |
mondo joe |
Dec-23-08 11:41 AM |
#116 |
| -
Perhaps the fact's mainly cited in the context of "blaming" blacks 4 the passage of prop 8, while... |
cloudythescribbler |
Dec-23-08 12:05 PM |
#123 |
| -
I don't disagree in principle, but for some time any reference |
mondo joe |
Dec-23-08 12:10 PM |
#126 |
| -
Having read the comments above, I understand that |
kiva |
Dec-23-08 10:21 AM |
#82 |
| -
I read this thread as if there are two - parallel but distinctly seperate |
salin |
Dec-23-08 10:48 AM |
#91 |
| -
Salin thanks for your examination of my OP. . . |
wndycty |
Dec-23-08 12:28 PM |
#132 |
| -
Why are they offensive? Not why are they different. Why are the comparisons offensive to you? |
GreenJ |
Dec-23-08 10:39 AM |
#89 |
| -
they get offensive when.. |
marimour |
Dec-23-08 11:33 AM |
#111 |
| -
That's exactly right. |
Political Heretic |
Dec-23-08 11:57 AM |
#120 |
| -
OK |
BronxBoy |
Dec-23-08 12:00 PM |
#121 |
| -
Perhaps the reason why few people are speaking to that issue is because |
Raineyb |
Dec-24-08 10:44 AM |
#224 |
| -
I am so sick of the idiotic idea that the gay rights movement started a year or two ago |
GreenJ |
Dec-23-08 12:20 PM |
#128 |
| -
im not talking about the actions of just individuals |
marimour |
Dec-23-08 07:42 PM |
#195 |
| -
i'm not acting like it started 2 years ago |
marimour |
Dec-23-08 07:45 PM |
#197 |
| -
So what, gay people sprang to life in the last 30 years? |
GreenJ |
Dec-23-08 08:24 PM |
#199 |
| -
do you actually read my posts? |
marimour |
Dec-24-08 12:29 PM |
#227 |
| -
When do you think the gay rights movement started? |
GreenJ |
Dec-24-08 10:42 PM |
#258 |
| -
How long do you think gays have been denied equal rights exactly? |
mondo joe |
Dec-23-08 09:27 PM |
#207 |
| -
not the point. |
marimour |
Dec-24-08 12:26 PM |
#226 |
| -
How long have GLBT people struggled? |
mondo joe |
Dec-24-08 05:29 PM |
#247 |
| -
.... |
marimour |
Dec-23-08 11:33 AM |
#112 |
| -
So what if they are different?????? |
BronxBoy |
Dec-23-08 11:54 AM |
#119 |
| -
Thank you! |
Balderdash |
Dec-24-08 01:14 PM |
#231 |
| -
Come on, don't be obtuse |
treestar |
Dec-23-08 12:11 PM |
#127 |
| -
This thread has been enormusly enlightening. |
Marrah_G |
Dec-23-08 12:27 PM |
#131 |
| -
Gay is the new Black . . . . huh? |
Leo The Cleo |
Dec-23-08 12:36 PM |
#133 |
| -
Welcome to DU and thanks for you reasoned responsed to my OP |
wndycty |
Dec-23-08 12:38 PM |
#135 |
| -
welcome to DU |
merh |
Dec-23-08 12:53 PM |
#136 |
| -
Excellent point. |
political_Dem |
Dec-23-08 03:53 PM |
#141 |
| -
Well, not really, insofar as both "black" and "gay" are social constructs. |
sfexpat2000 |
Dec-23-08 04:20 PM |
#146 |
| -
wrong |
Leo The Cleo |
Dec-23-08 04:48 PM |
#147 |
| -
No, I'm not saying that, for one thing. And for another |
sfexpat2000 |
Dec-23-08 04:52 PM |
#148 |
| -
How are you not saying that? |
Leo The Cleo |
Dec-23-08 05:02 PM |
#151 |
| -
Labels are about identity imposed from the outside, right, where all labels are? |
sfexpat2000 |
Dec-23-08 05:07 PM |
#154 |
| -
Label and Identity are not the same? |
Leo The Cleo |
Dec-23-08 05:21 PM |
#160 |
| -
No, labels and identity are not the same. Labels are for outsiders |
sfexpat2000 |
Dec-23-08 05:27 PM |
#166 |
| -
Patantly False |
Leo The Cleo |
Dec-23-08 05:44 PM |
#170 |
| -
You miss the entire point of self-identification and labeling by outsiders. |
sfexpat2000 |
Dec-23-08 05:48 PM |
#173 |
| -
Wrong again |
Leo The Cleo |
Dec-23-08 06:06 PM |
#175 |
| -
Labels by definition come from the outside. |
sfexpat2000 |
Dec-23-08 06:09 PM |
#177 |
| -
Untrue. |
Leo The Cleo |
Dec-23-08 06:18 PM |
#180 |
| -
You really need to crack a dictionary. |
sfexpat2000 |
Dec-23-08 06:54 PM |
#187 |
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If you cracked one, you wouldn't even know what it said. |
Leo The Cleo |
Dec-23-08 07:08 PM |
#188 |
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Who said "gay is the new black?" |
jumptheshadow |
Dec-25-08 10:32 AM |
#260 |
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"Divide and conquer" strategies : guaranteed to give boners to all lurking wingnuts! |
bullwinkle428 |
Dec-23-08 12:36 PM |
#134 |
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Funny--you just made that comparison very nicely. |
Orsino |
Dec-23-08 01:01 PM |
#138 |
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Being offended is to participate in a "hierarchy of suffering". n/t |
sfexpat2000 |
Dec-23-08 04:13 PM |
#144 |
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It's a non-comparison, but it's not unimportant |
nichomachus |
Dec-23-08 04:20 PM |
#145 |
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I thought about your questions, and decided to find some answers to them. |
political_Dem |
Dec-23-08 05:40 PM |
#169 |
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I enjoyed reading your post |
rexthedestroyer |
Dec-23-08 07:43 PM |
#196 |
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Your post is simply DISGUSTING! |
Karenina |
Dec-23-08 09:11 PM |
#206 |
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Thank you very much. I agree with what you've said 100 per-cent. |
political_Dem |
Dec-23-08 09:28 PM |
#208 |
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I have no PROBLEM with Negros |
leftofthedial |
Dec-23-08 04:54 PM |
#149 |
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So what you are really saying then is... |
AntiFascist |
Dec-23-08 04:59 PM |
#150 |
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Tell me exactly where I am saying that |
wndycty |
Dec-23-08 05:02 PM |
#152 |
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Let's do this step by step... |
AntiFascist |
Dec-23-08 05:09 PM |
#155 |
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Nope, never did and tell me where I did. |
wndycty |
Dec-23-08 05:11 PM |
#156 |
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Ok, I'll admit I made a drive by posting without paying full attention to your message... |
AntiFascist |
Dec-23-08 05:19 PM |
#159 |
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But I'm not singling out GLBT rights. . . |
wndycty |
Dec-23-08 05:22 PM |
#161 |
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Then, what's the beef? Bigotry has one thing in common - it is wrong |
bluedawg12 |
Dec-23-08 05:25 PM |
#162 |
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Ok, so the use of "holocaust" is often misapplied... |
AntiFascist |
Dec-23-08 05:26 PM |
#164 |
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Ahhhh now I see what I was missing! |
Veruca Salt |
Dec-24-08 10:09 AM |
#221 |
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The civil rights struggle for blacks and gays are parallel. |
bluedawg12 |
Dec-23-08 05:14 PM |
#157 |
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Queer theorist (and Harvard Law Prof Janet Halley wrote about "like race" arguments |
tishaLA |
Dec-23-08 05:26 PM |
#163 |
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I think we are parsing words. If bigotry is wrong than it is wrong. |
bluedawg12 |
Dec-23-08 05:31 PM |
#168 |
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well arguments are often about parsing words |
tishaLA |
Dec-23-08 06:49 PM |
#186 |
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The issue is bigotry and it is wrong - I hope you agree? |
bluedawg12 |
Dec-23-08 07:27 PM |
#190 |
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the analogical argument is the basis of the OP |
tishaLA |
Dec-23-08 07:50 PM |
#198 |
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No. The OP says we should not establish a hierarchy of suffering. |
bluedawg12 |
Dec-23-08 08:27 PM |
#200 |
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what about the line that says |
tishaLA |
Dec-23-08 09:03 PM |
#205 |
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The comparisons that aren't BS: destruction of families including gay's. |
bluedawg12 |
Dec-23-08 10:24 PM |
#209 |
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we're obviously talking past each other |
tishaLA |
Dec-24-08 02:01 AM |
#210 |
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we completely disagree here. Bigotry is bigotry of any stripe. nt |
LaydeeBug |
Dec-23-08 05:46 PM |
#171 |
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K&R and I'm going to leave for DU for a while until this Warren stuff dies down |
SweetieD |
Dec-23-08 05:48 PM |
#172 |
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What is the point you're trying to make? |
ruggerson |
Dec-23-08 06:08 PM |
#176 |
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That's a really good question. |
bluedawg12 |
Dec-23-08 06:12 PM |
#179 |
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I never got a response to my question either. Why is it offensive? |
GreenJ |
Dec-23-08 06:19 PM |
#181 |
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So now I'm supposed to respond every post? |
wndycty |
Dec-23-08 06:41 PM |
#184 |
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Were you asked to respond to every post? |
bluedawg12 |
Dec-23-08 07:29 PM |
#191 |
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See post 176 |
wndycty |
Dec-23-08 08:32 PM |
#201 |
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As I said, was everyone expecting you to reply? Answer: No. |
bluedawg12 |
Dec-23-08 08:55 PM |
#202 |
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It's not a zero sum game. |
boppers |
Dec-23-08 06:10 PM |
#178 |
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***BUT*** always explains it all, doesn't it? |
Bluebear |
Dec-23-08 07:31 PM |
#192 |
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Our struggle for civil rights is EXACTLY the same as blacks' struggle for civil rights. |
PelosiFan |
Dec-23-08 07:38 PM |
#194 |
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All civil rights struggles are analogous, and can be compared and contrasted. |
mondo joe |
Dec-23-08 08:57 PM |
#204 |
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OK, then ... |
HamdenRice |
Dec-24-08 06:33 AM |
#213 |
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Ever hear of the Stonewall Riots? |
Starbucks Anarchist |
Dec-24-08 10:09 AM |
#220 |
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me too. in fact, show me those and i'll be 1st in line at the next demonstration. |
marimour |
Dec-24-08 12:38 PM |
#228 |
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Only our blood on the streets will move you? |
plantwomyn |
Dec-29-08 05:36 PM |
#266 |
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Thanks for posting that, Plantwomyn |
sheeptramp |
Dec-29-08 06:15 PM |
#271 |
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You're wrong. It's perfectly analogous. |
TexasObserver |
Dec-24-08 02:03 AM |
#211 |
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Explain to me to see how I see both race and gay issues are about civil rights. . . |
wndycty |
Dec-24-08 07:44 AM |
#215 |
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Have you read the title you placed on this topic? |
TexasObserver |
Dec-24-08 07:54 AM |
#217 |
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If I was trying to get gay marriage passed in a state with a lot of African Americans in it |
galaxy21 |
Dec-24-08 07:33 AM |
#214 |
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Good to see you fueling a wrong perspective again! |
mondo joe |
Dec-24-08 09:58 AM |
#218 |
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What is wrong with it? The comparision does piss off racial minorities |
galaxy21 |
Dec-24-08 03:46 PM |
#236 |
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Why did Samuel L Jackson do something he felt was offensive? |
mondo joe |
Dec-24-08 05:04 PM |
#243 |
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Hey, the man's got to make money... |
galaxy21 |
Dec-24-08 05:25 PM |
#244 |
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He said something offensive to himself for the money? |
mondo joe |
Dec-24-08 05:27 PM |
#245 |
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The 'he's got to make money' was mostly sarcasm. I doubt he was paid for it. |
galaxy21 |
Dec-24-08 05:30 PM |
#248 |
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There are two questions. |
mondo joe |
Dec-24-08 05:34 PM |
#250 |
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great post! |
marimour |
Dec-24-08 12:41 PM |
#229 |
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Or, if you're trying to get it passed where a minority group has a cultural bias against |
mondo joe |
Dec-24-08 05:29 PM |
#246 |
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So are you labeling a particular minority group homophobic? |
wndycty |
Dec-25-08 08:33 AM |
#259 |
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And still no explanation as to why the comparison is offensive? |
mondo joe |
Dec-24-08 10:06 AM |
#219 |
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Being Replaced Is Never Fun |
Leo The Cleo |
Dec-24-08 10:19 AM |
#222 |
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Thank you Leo. I sincerely appreciate your response. |
mondo joe |
Dec-24-08 10:39 AM |
#223 |
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No One Can Deny |
Leo The Cleo |
Dec-26-08 12:13 AM |
#265 |
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Wish we had a |
plantwomyn |
Dec-30-08 01:36 PM |
#272 |
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I find the comparisons to race offensive |
PolNewf |
Dec-24-08 03:12 PM |
#234 |
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Uhm, look up the history of the pink triangle , to see where it comes from... |
Solon |
Dec-24-08 03:47 PM |
#237 |
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I was clueless about the pink triangle |
PolNewf |
Dec-24-08 04:45 PM |
#241 |
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You are correct, it is not pertinent to the contemporary gay civil rights movement in the US |
Veruca Salt |
Dec-24-08 05:52 PM |
#251 |
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"Imagine comparing gay rights to the plight of the jews during the holocaust." |
mondo joe |
Dec-24-08 05:31 PM |
#249 |
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And as someone who both lost family in the Holocaust and was locked up for "maladjustment to the |
Oak2004 |
Dec-25-08 03:20 PM |
#264 |
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John Lewis: |
JoeIsOneOfUs |
Dec-24-08 03:43 PM |
#235 |
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This should be its own thread. |
Starbucks Anarchist |
Dec-24-08 03:47 PM |
#238 |
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I don't completely reject the idea of a heirarchy of suffering... |
galaxy21 |
Dec-24-08 03:55 PM |
#239 |
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Domestic versus international... |
Solon |
Dec-24-08 04:58 PM |
#242 |
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But I think there is a point that not all civil rights causes are the same |
galaxy21 |
Dec-25-08 12:00 PM |
#261 |
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Wow. Just wow. Wndycty, have you ever been called an abomination by your own church? |
Spectral Music |
Dec-29-08 05:38 PM |
#267 |
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Well |
wndycty |
Dec-30-08 01:48 PM |
#273 |
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I'm just wondering |
sakabatou |
Dec-29-08 05:40 PM |
#268 |
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"comparisons to RACE are BS" I disagree... |
and-justice-for-all |
Dec-29-08 06:12 PM |
#270 |
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