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Leo The Cleo Donating Member (352 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Dec-23-08 06:18 PM
Response to Reply #177
180. Untrue.
This is so untrue it is ridiculous. For-goodness-sake, people have the ability to label themselves. People do it all the time. SO, to say that the definition of a label is purely based on an outsiders point of view is ridiculous. If this is true than humans have no species type. If this it true than people who designated races didn't designate one for themselves. If this is true, then "righteous people" didn't call themselves "righteous" while calling others vile. What you are saying is a ignorant at best and a lie at its worst.
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  -I support gay marriage, I'm offended by Warren at the Inaugural BUT these comparisons to RACE are BS wndycty  Dec-23-08 08:40 AM   #0 
  - How Do You Feel About June Marriage?  MannyGoldstein   Dec-23-08 08:43 AM   #1 
  - Oh I'm against that SHIT  wndycty   Dec-23-08 08:47 AM   #6 
  - lol  edwardlindy   Dec-23-08 08:48 AM   #8 
  - No one is saying they're exactly the same, except that they are all wrong and all bigotry.  mondo joe   Dec-23-08 08:43 AM   #2 
  - I agree they're not the same, but so many people say they are  Truth Hurts A Lot   Dec-23-08 09:28 AM   #60 
     - I think they are analogous, and in some ways particularly so.  mondo joe   Dec-23-08 11:30 AM   #109 
     - I doubt its much comfort to those with someone standing on their  roguevalley   Dec-23-08 02:36 PM   #139 
        - I agree. No comfort. And no help. NT  mondo joe   Dec-23-08 03:08 PM   #140 
     - About the gay "Uncle Tom"...  AntiFascist   Dec-23-08 05:56 PM   #174 
        - "I do think that complaining about it is being overly sensitive and inflammatory"  wndycty   Dec-24-08 07:45 AM   #216 
           - When Obama made the comment at the debate at Saddleback church...  AntiFascist   Dec-25-08 02:58 PM   #263 
  - I don't find them to be BS at all. Both are civil rights issues,  MadHound   Dec-23-08 08:46 AM   #3 
  - Who is more likely to be unemployed? a straight Black man or a gay white male?  wndycty   Dec-23-08 08:50 AM   #12 
  - Sounds like you're trying to establish a hierarchy of who has it worse. NT  mondo joe   Dec-23-08 08:51 AM   #15 
  - Not trying to establish a hierarchy, I'm just showing that we ALL have to face discrimination. . .  wndycty   Dec-23-08 08:53 AM   #19 
  - Discrimination and human rights are different things.  PeaceNikki   Dec-23-08 08:54 AM   #20 
  - Human rights like the right to drive while Black . . .  wndycty   Dec-23-08 08:56 AM   #25 
  - Wow, you're thick  PeaceNikki   Dec-23-08 09:00 AM   #32 
     - And no where in my post did I say we shouldn't did I?  wndycty   Dec-23-08 09:01 AM   #34 
  - Exactly right. Straight blacks have the right to marry, gays don't. We are both discriminated  PelosiFan   Dec-23-08 07:34 PM   #193 
  - Funny, your posts seem to indicate the opposite. NT  mondo joe   Dec-23-08 08:55 AM   #22 
     - Oh Joe did I upset you. . .  wndycty   Dec-23-08 09:00 AM   #31 
        - No, I'm not upset. And I don't see how you think anything I've posted here has  mondo joe   Dec-23-08 09:02 AM   #36 
  - Bingo!  ruggerson   Dec-23-08 09:03 AM   #39 
  - It's not a pissing match to determine who "has it worse". All are entitled to the same rights.  PeaceNikki   Dec-23-08 08:53 AM   #18 
  - and if we had a pissing match, would we all be judged equally? I fear not.  predfan   Dec-23-08 09:24 AM   #56 
  - Who the fuck cares?  Rockholm   Dec-23-08 08:56 AM   #23 
  - And WHO'S JOB IS PROTECTED UNDER THE LAW right now  Lex   Dec-23-08 09:58 AM   #69 
  - You can be fired for being gay, but not for being black.  Starbucks Anarchist   Dec-23-08 10:04 AM   #76 
  - everyday there are people who can not get the job in the first place  salin   Dec-23-08 11:03 AM   #98 
     - It is all an outrage, but I was correcting the OP's mistaken assumption.  Starbucks Anarchist   Dec-23-08 11:04 AM   #99 
     - Point taken  salin   Dec-23-08 11:18 AM   #107 
     - What is my mistaken assumption?  wndycty   Dec-23-08 05:03 PM   #153 
        - See post #12.  Starbucks Anarchist   Dec-23-08 05:27 PM   #165 
     - That happens with gender as well.  polmaven   Dec-24-08 04:05 PM   #240 
  - You must have missed the part where you wrote:  MetricSystem   Dec-23-08 11:01 AM   #96 
  - You're viewing this as a matter of economics  Neecy   Dec-23-08 11:10 AM   #103 
  - I don't know about where you live but where I live it would be a LOT harder for a gay white male to  musicblind   Dec-23-08 11:47 AM   #118 
  - Or how about a gay black male?  sniffa   Dec-23-08 06:23 PM   #183 
  - Who is more likely to be disowned by their family?  jumptheshadow   Dec-24-08 06:28 PM   #252 
  - Can you tell if a person is gay by just looking at them?  jeffrey_X   Dec-23-08 05:14 PM   #158 
     - In certain cases, but here's a point some fail to realize:  Starbucks Anarchist   Dec-23-08 05:29 PM   #167 
     - Yes, you can, with many gay people  jumptheshadow   Dec-24-08 06:37 PM   #253 
     - Often, yes. And even when you can't, it's not really a benefit.  mondo joe   Dec-24-08 07:11 PM   #255 
  - Do you know the history of & significance of this image?  baldguy   Dec-23-08 08:47 AM   #4 
  - I do. And?  cali   Dec-23-08 08:57 AM   #26 
     - Thanks for getting it Cali . . .  wndycty   Dec-23-08 09:34 AM   #62 
     - The OP said civil rights for gays is a worthy cause,  baldguy   Dec-23-08 11:37 AM   #114 
     - Yes, he was implying that the black experience was worse  jumptheshadow   Dec-24-08 07:09 PM   #254 
  - In the end, we all have our OPINIONS.  OwnedByFerrets   Dec-23-08 08:47 AM   #5 
  - You're not allowed to be offended. We're just reaching out . You must embrace us.  Malikshah   Dec-23-08 08:47 AM   #7 
  - Can we say that they're sometimes the same and sometimes not? Matthew Shepard probably thought ...  GodlessBiker   Dec-23-08 08:48 AM   #9 
  - Here's my take on the comparison between race inequality and gender inequality.......  predfan   Dec-23-08 08:48 AM   #10 
  - You seem to be the one interested in "establishing a hierarchy" here  katandmoon   Dec-23-08 08:49 AM   #11 
  - Which posts are saying LGBT's have it worse than any other group?  mondo joe   Dec-23-08 08:51 AM   #13 
  - Every post that says, "...but YOUR rights are protected under the law."  jenmito   Dec-23-08 11:12 AM   #104 
     - I don't construe that to mean LGBT people have it worse in every way,  mondo joe   Dec-23-08 03:56 PM   #142 
        - Having your rights protected by law doesn't mean much...  jenmito   Dec-23-08 07:09 PM   #189 
           - It seems like people who say they don't like the comparison keep making it.  mondo joe   Dec-23-08 08:56 PM   #203 
  - I agree with you, wndy, although many over here will find your post offensive.  Katzenkavalier   Dec-23-08 08:51 AM   #14 
  - But since I can get married. . .  wndycty   Dec-23-08 08:52 AM   #16 
  - It's interesting that the OP claims you can't say who had it worse, and then follows  mondo joe   Dec-23-08 08:53 AM   #17 
  - That is your problem, not mine. . .  wndycty   Dec-23-08 08:54 AM   #21 
     - Your insincerity is evident.  mondo joe   Dec-23-08 08:56 AM   #24 
        - LOL if you say so, you obviously know what is in my heart  wndycty   Dec-23-08 08:57 AM   #27 
           - I know what you've posted.  mondo joe   Dec-23-08 08:59 AM   #29 
              - Give it a FUCKING break. . .  wndycty   Dec-23-08 09:02 AM   #35 
                 - You seem very angry. If you're too upset to have a dialog just say so.  mondo joe   Dec-23-08 09:04 AM   #40 
  - Assuming that you could convince everyone of that, what would you have changed IRL?  No Elephants   Dec-23-08 09:24 AM   #57 
  - Loving v Virginia is the comparison I make.  Warren Stupidity   Dec-23-08 08:58 AM   #28 
  - Especially since the arguments against both same-sex and interracial marriage are  mondo joe   Dec-23-08 09:00 AM   # 
  - who exactly are you making this argument to?  marimour   Dec-24-08 01:25 PM   #232 
     - plenty of black people aren't exactly pro-interracial marriage ?  Warren Stupidity   Dec-24-08 02:08 PM   #233 
     - The point of the Loving reference is judicial precedent, not to touch the tender hearts  mondo joe   Dec-24-08 07:12 PM   #256 
  - Typo in your subject line  ayeshahaqqiqa   Dec-23-08 08:59 AM   #30 
  - I fixed it didn't I. For the record I am against may marriage. . .FUCK that shit  wndycty   Dec-23-08 09:00 AM   #33 
     - Please justify your aversion to May marriage.........  predfan   Dec-23-08 09:05 AM   #41 
     - Strait marriages are the best.  NYC_SKP   Dec-23-08 09:09 AM   #44 
  - You say that the comparisons are "offensive"  ruggerson   Dec-23-08 09:03 AM   #37 
  - I didn't see a question here  wndycty   Dec-23-08 06:43 PM   #185 
  - When talking discrimination and bigotry"  pecwae   Dec-23-08 09:03 AM   #38 
  - the hierachy of suffering - it appears to be human nature to establish the hierarchy  merh   Dec-23-08 11:41 AM   #117 
     - A very thoughtful post. Thank you.  pecwae   Dec-23-08 12:09 PM   #125 
        - Cancer patients don't look at each other and say, my cancer is worse than your's.  merh   Dec-23-08 12:22 PM   #129 
           - But neither do they say "you can't compare your cancer to mine." NT  mondo joe   Dec-24-08 07:14 PM   #257 
  - Civil rights are civil rights. The struggles, issues and objectives have common traits. Therefore  No Elephants   Dec-23-08 09:06 AM   #42 
  - Absolutely. Every struggle is unique, and every one has ways that can be described as worse.  mondo joe   Dec-23-08 09:08 AM   #43 
  - "everyone deserves the same rights"  wndycty   Dec-23-08 09:10 AM   #46 
  - Thank you. Now I'm just going to say, and I hope we can do this civilly,  mondo joe   Dec-23-08 09:12 AM   #47 
     - Its funny with your patronizing "I hope we can do this civilly"  wndycty   Dec-23-08 09:16 AM   #48 
        - If you want to construe a sincere effort to have dialog as patronizing, there's not a lot  mondo joe   Dec-23-08 09:18 AM   #50 
           - I never even acted like GLBT issues were limited to gay marriage  wndycty   Dec-23-08 09:20 AM   #52 
              - So if I say there should be no hierarchy, that all struggles are different, and that all  mondo joe   Dec-23-08 09:22 AM   #55 
  - Just because things are not identical, it does not mean that you cannot compare them. Heck, even  No Elephants   Dec-23-08 09:21 AM   #53 
     - Awesome post! nt  Balderdash   Dec-23-08 10:15 AM   #79 
     - Why, thank you.  No Elephants   Dec-23-08 06:23 PM   #182 
     - To build upon your point:  MJDuncan1982   Dec-24-08 12:22 PM   #225 
  - see my post below about the "denialism" in some LGBT quarters (speaking as someone LGBT myself)  cloudythescribbler   Dec-23-08 10:00 AM   #72 
  - From the majority of posts that I have read here on this issue, comparing the two struggles, for the  IsItJustMe   Dec-23-08 09:09 AM   #45 
  - Yup and not only to they fall flat but they also show a lack of appreciation . . .  wndycty   Dec-23-08 09:17 AM   #49 
     - Which comparisons are saying the struggles of other groups are lesser than GLBT's?  mondo joe   Dec-23-08 09:19 AM   #51 
     - I never said the lesser I said the same as. . .you are continuing to nitpick every word. . .  wndycty   Dec-23-08 09:22 AM   #54 
        - I'm seeking clarification, and I'm doing so politely. If we agree, I have no issue.  mondo joe   Dec-23-08 09:25 AM   #59 
     - And this shows a lack of appreciation for all the  Balderdash   Dec-23-08 10:19 AM   #80 
  - You are doing what you say not to do...  Bluenorthwest   Dec-23-08 09:25 AM   #58 
  - I'm not trying to establish a top dog of discrimination. . .  wndycty   Dec-23-08 09:29 AM   #61 
     - Your priorities are odd  Bluenorthwest   Dec-23-08 10:05 AM   #77 
  - ...and we accuse the GOP of playing identity politics.  Vash the Stampede   Dec-23-08 09:44 AM   #63 
  - Somehow, some people have convinced themselves that making racist comments ...  HamdenRice   Dec-23-08 09:49 AM   #64 
  - Thanks. . .  wndycty   Dec-23-08 09:53 AM   #65 
  - I want to be clear that I agree with the message  Bluenorthwest   Dec-23-08 10:27 AM   #86 
  - I second this. Thank you for highlighting this aspect.  political_Dem   Dec-23-08 10:26 AM   #84 
  - Citations please; if someone is making racist statements on DU they should be alerted  Veruca Salt   Dec-23-08 12:04 PM   #122 
  - I second that  jumptheshadow   Dec-25-08 12:49 PM   #262 
  - Post a LINK to back that up.  Starbucks Anarchist   Dec-23-08 12:57 PM   #137 
     - i've alerted plenty of links, especially after Prop 8. Thankfully they were removed.  marimour   Dec-24-08 12:47 PM   #230 
  - I have drawn some of the moral equivalencies  lwfern   Dec-23-08 09:55 AM   #66 
  - They are not exactly "THE SAME." It's an ANALOGY.  Lex   Dec-23-08 09:57 AM   #67 
  - "Your OP is dangerously devoid of understanding"  LostinVA   Dec-23-08 09:59 AM   #71 
  - this thread is just part of the backlash against us for daring to  jonnyblitz   Dec-23-08 10:09 AM   #78 
     - Seriously -- I need to lock the keyboard in my trunk  LostinVA   Dec-23-08 10:27 AM   #85 
     - Are you FUCKING KIDDING ME? I have criticized Obama over the Warren issue. . .  wndycty   Dec-23-08 04:09 PM   #143 
  - +1  Veruca Salt   Dec-23-08 11:13 AM   #105 
  - GLBT rights are just the same as ANY civil rights struggle  LostinVA   Dec-23-08 09:58 AM   #68 
  - Exactly so.  Lex   Dec-23-08 10:00 AM   #73 
  - Really?  HamdenRice   Dec-23-08 10:30 AM   #88 
     - Deleted message  Name removed   Dec-23-08 10:49 AM   #92 
     - Deleted message  Name removed   Dec-23-08 10:55 AM   #93 
     - I'mm actually born and bred in NJ and live there -- oh such ignorance  LostinVA   Dec-23-08 11:04 AM   #100 
     - Do some research on what the gay populace lives with in Jamaica...  Veruca Salt   Dec-23-08 11:33 AM   #113 
     - forgive me...  salin   Dec-23-08 11:01 AM   #95 
        - Your ignorance on the Public Nature of GLBT lynchings bothers me  LostinVA   Dec-23-08 11:03 AM   #97 
        - Then please inform me  salin   Dec-23-08 11:07 AM   #101 
        - To clarify, since it seems the PM machine to alert is alive and well,  Moderator   Dec-23-08 12:24 PM   #130 
     - Are you calling Coretta Scott King a liar?  Starbucks Anarchist   Dec-23-08 11:10 AM   #102 
     - Pretty much.  Bornaginhooligan   Dec-23-08 12:09 PM   #124 
        - What part of the US did this take place in?  HamdenRice   Dec-24-08 06:30 AM   #212 
           - Will this work better for you?  sniffa   Dec-29-08 05:47 PM   #269 
  - Coretta Scott King thought so...  Veruca Salt   Dec-23-08 09:59 AM   #70 
  - King: "Homophobia is like racism and anti-Semitism and other forms of bigotry"  Lex   Dec-23-08 10:02 AM   #74 
  - Yeah, but what did she know about this stuff?  QC   Dec-23-08 10:41 AM   #90 
  - Thank you for your post.  political_Dem   Dec-23-08 10:04 AM   #75 
  - VERY CRUCIAL ISSUE -- key aspect is that many LGBT rights advocates are in denial  cloudythescribbler   Dec-23-08 10:20 AM   #81 
  - Excellent post!  HamdenRice   Dec-23-08 10:26 AM   #83 
  - Bravo.  political_Dem   Dec-23-08 10:28 AM   #87 
  - Excellent post.  littlebit   Dec-23-08 10:58 AM   #94 
  - I don't know why it's considered racist to say 70% of CA blacks voted for Prop8 except when  mondo joe   Dec-23-08 11:15 AM   #106 
     - I am not in California - but work with urban youth in the midwest  salin   Dec-23-08 11:30 AM   #108 
     - Got your point, and no real disagreement. But it's very striking to me that  mondo joe   Dec-23-08 11:32 AM   #110 
        - I missed that earlier discussion  salin   Dec-23-08 11:39 AM   #115 
           - Understood. NT  mondo joe   Dec-23-08 11:41 AM   #116 
     - Perhaps the fact's mainly cited in the context of "blaming" blacks 4 the passage of prop 8, while...  cloudythescribbler   Dec-23-08 12:05 PM   #123 
        - I don't disagree in principle, but for some time any reference  mondo joe   Dec-23-08 12:10 PM   #126 
  - Having read the comments above, I understand that  kiva   Dec-23-08 10:21 AM   #82 
  - I read this thread as if there are two - parallel but distinctly seperate  salin   Dec-23-08 10:48 AM   #91 
     - Salin thanks for your examination of my OP. . .  wndycty   Dec-23-08 12:28 PM   #132 
  - Why are they offensive? Not why are they different. Why are the comparisons offensive to you?  GreenJ   Dec-23-08 10:39 AM   #89 
  - they get offensive when..  marimour   Dec-23-08 11:33 AM   #111 
  - That's exactly right.  Political Heretic   Dec-23-08 11:57 AM   #120 
  - OK  BronxBoy   Dec-23-08 12:00 PM   #121 
  - Perhaps the reason why few people are speaking to that issue is because  Raineyb   Dec-24-08 10:44 AM   #224 
  - I am so sick of the idiotic idea that the gay rights movement started a year or two ago  GreenJ   Dec-23-08 12:20 PM   #128 
     - im not talking about the actions of just individuals  marimour   Dec-23-08 07:42 PM   #195 
     - i'm not acting like it started 2 years ago  marimour   Dec-23-08 07:45 PM   #197 
        - So what, gay people sprang to life in the last 30 years?  GreenJ   Dec-23-08 08:24 PM   #199 
        - do you actually read my posts?  marimour   Dec-24-08 12:29 PM   #227 
           - When do you think the gay rights movement started?  GreenJ   Dec-24-08 10:42 PM   #258 
        - How long do you think gays have been denied equal rights exactly?  mondo joe   Dec-23-08 09:27 PM   #207 
           - not the point.  marimour   Dec-24-08 12:26 PM   #226 
              - How long have GLBT people struggled?  mondo joe   Dec-24-08 05:29 PM   #247 
  - ....  marimour   Dec-23-08 11:33 AM   #112 
  - So what if they are different??????  BronxBoy   Dec-23-08 11:54 AM   #119 
  - Thank you!  Balderdash   Dec-24-08 01:14 PM   #231 
  - Come on, don't be obtuse  treestar   Dec-23-08 12:11 PM   #127 
  - This thread has been enormusly enlightening.  Marrah_G   Dec-23-08 12:27 PM   #131 
  - Gay is the new Black . . . . huh?  Leo The Cleo   Dec-23-08 12:36 PM   #133 
  - Welcome to DU and thanks for you reasoned responsed to my OP  wndycty   Dec-23-08 12:38 PM   #135 
  - welcome to DU  merh   Dec-23-08 12:53 PM   #136 
  - Excellent point.  political_Dem   Dec-23-08 03:53 PM   #141 
  - Well, not really, insofar as both "black" and "gay" are social constructs.  sfexpat2000   Dec-23-08 04:20 PM   #146 
  - wrong  Leo The Cleo   Dec-23-08 04:48 PM   #147 
     - No, I'm not saying that, for one thing. And for another  sfexpat2000   Dec-23-08 04:52 PM   #148 
        - How are you not saying that?  Leo The Cleo   Dec-23-08 05:02 PM   #151 
           - Labels are about identity imposed from the outside, right, where all labels are?  sfexpat2000   Dec-23-08 05:07 PM   #154 
              - Label and Identity are not the same?  Leo The Cleo   Dec-23-08 05:21 PM   #160 
                 - No, labels and identity are not the same. Labels are for outsiders  sfexpat2000   Dec-23-08 05:27 PM   #166 
                    - Patantly False  Leo The Cleo   Dec-23-08 05:44 PM   #170 
                       - You miss the entire point of self-identification and labeling by outsiders.  sfexpat2000   Dec-23-08 05:48 PM   #173 
                          - Wrong again  Leo The Cleo   Dec-23-08 06:06 PM   #175 
                             - Labels by definition come from the outside.  sfexpat2000   Dec-23-08 06:09 PM   #177 
                                - Untrue.  Leo The Cleo   Dec-23-08 06:18 PM   #180 
                                   - You really need to crack a dictionary.  sfexpat2000   Dec-23-08 06:54 PM   #187 
                                      - If you cracked one, you wouldn't even know what it said.  Leo The Cleo   Dec-23-08 07:08 PM   #188 
  - Who said "gay is the new black?"  jumptheshadow   Dec-25-08 10:32 AM   #260 
  - "Divide and conquer" strategies : guaranteed to give boners to all lurking wingnuts!  bullwinkle428   Dec-23-08 12:36 PM   #134 
  - Funny--you just made that comparison very nicely.  Orsino   Dec-23-08 01:01 PM   #138 
  - Being offended is to participate in a "hierarchy of suffering". n/t  sfexpat2000   Dec-23-08 04:13 PM   #144 
  - It's a non-comparison, but it's not unimportant  nichomachus   Dec-23-08 04:20 PM   #145 
  - I thought about your questions, and decided to find some answers to them.  political_Dem   Dec-23-08 05:40 PM   #169 
  - I enjoyed reading your post  rexthedestroyer   Dec-23-08 07:43 PM   #196 
  - Your post is simply DISGUSTING!  Karenina   Dec-23-08 09:11 PM   #206 
     - Thank you very much. I agree with what you've said 100 per-cent.  political_Dem   Dec-23-08 09:28 PM   #208 
  - I have no PROBLEM with Negros  leftofthedial   Dec-23-08 04:54 PM   #149 
  - So what you are really saying then is...  AntiFascist   Dec-23-08 04:59 PM   #150 
  - Tell me exactly where I am saying that  wndycty   Dec-23-08 05:02 PM   #152 
     - Let's do this step by step...  AntiFascist   Dec-23-08 05:09 PM   #155 
        - Nope, never did and tell me where I did.  wndycty   Dec-23-08 05:11 PM   #156 
           - Ok, I'll admit I made a drive by posting without paying full attention to your message...  AntiFascist   Dec-23-08 05:19 PM   #159 
              - But I'm not singling out GLBT rights. . .  wndycty   Dec-23-08 05:22 PM   #161 
                 - Then, what's the beef? Bigotry has one thing in common - it is wrong  bluedawg12   Dec-23-08 05:25 PM   #162 
                 - Ok, so the use of "holocaust" is often misapplied...  AntiFascist   Dec-23-08 05:26 PM   #164 
                 - Ahhhh now I see what I was missing!  Veruca Salt   Dec-24-08 10:09 AM   #221 
  - The civil rights struggle for blacks and gays are parallel.  bluedawg12   Dec-23-08 05:14 PM   #157 
  - Queer theorist (and Harvard Law Prof Janet Halley wrote about "like race" arguments  tishaLA   Dec-23-08 05:26 PM   #163 
  - I think we are parsing words. If bigotry is wrong than it is wrong.  bluedawg12   Dec-23-08 05:31 PM   #168 
     - well arguments are often about parsing words  tishaLA   Dec-23-08 06:49 PM   #186 
        - The issue is bigotry and it is wrong - I hope you agree?  bluedawg12   Dec-23-08 07:27 PM   #190 
           - the analogical argument is the basis of the OP  tishaLA   Dec-23-08 07:50 PM   #198 
              - No. The OP says we should not establish a hierarchy of suffering.  bluedawg12   Dec-23-08 08:27 PM   #200 
                 - what about the line that says  tishaLA   Dec-23-08 09:03 PM   #205 
                    - The comparisons that aren't BS: destruction of families including gay's.  bluedawg12   Dec-23-08 10:24 PM   #209 
                       - we're obviously talking past each other  tishaLA   Dec-24-08 02:01 AM   #210 
  - we completely disagree here. Bigotry is bigotry of any stripe. nt  LaydeeBug   Dec-23-08 05:46 PM   #171 
  - K&R and I'm going to leave for DU for a while until this Warren stuff dies down  SweetieD   Dec-23-08 05:48 PM   #172 
  - What is the point you're trying to make?  ruggerson   Dec-23-08 06:08 PM   #176 
  - That's a really good question.  bluedawg12   Dec-23-08 06:12 PM   #179 
  - I never got a response to my question either. Why is it offensive?  GreenJ   Dec-23-08 06:19 PM   #181 
  - So now I'm supposed to respond every post?  wndycty   Dec-23-08 06:41 PM   #184 
     - Were you asked to respond to every post?  bluedawg12   Dec-23-08 07:29 PM   #191 
        - See post 176  wndycty   Dec-23-08 08:32 PM   #201 
           - As I said, was everyone expecting you to reply? Answer: No.  bluedawg12   Dec-23-08 08:55 PM   #202 
  - It's not a zero sum game.  boppers   Dec-23-08 06:10 PM   #178 
  - ***BUT*** always explains it all, doesn't it?  Bluebear   Dec-23-08 07:31 PM   #192 
  - Our struggle for civil rights is EXACTLY the same as blacks' struggle for civil rights.  PelosiFan   Dec-23-08 07:38 PM   #194 
  - All civil rights struggles are analogous, and can be compared and contrasted.  mondo joe   Dec-23-08 08:57 PM   #204 
  - OK, then ...  HamdenRice   Dec-24-08 06:33 AM   #213 
     - Ever hear of the Stonewall Riots?  Starbucks Anarchist   Dec-24-08 10:09 AM   #220 
     - me too. in fact, show me those and i'll be 1st in line at the next demonstration.  marimour   Dec-24-08 12:38 PM   #228 
     - Only our blood on the streets will move you?  plantwomyn   Dec-29-08 05:36 PM   #266 
        - Thanks for posting that, Plantwomyn  sheeptramp   Dec-29-08 06:15 PM   #271 
  - You're wrong. It's perfectly analogous.  TexasObserver   Dec-24-08 02:03 AM   #211 
  - Explain to me to see how I see both race and gay issues are about civil rights. . .  wndycty   Dec-24-08 07:44 AM   #215 
     - Have you read the title you placed on this topic?  TexasObserver   Dec-24-08 07:54 AM   #217 
  - If I was trying to get gay marriage passed in a state with a lot of African Americans in it  galaxy21   Dec-24-08 07:33 AM   #214 
  - Good to see you fueling a wrong perspective again!  mondo joe   Dec-24-08 09:58 AM   #218 
  - What is wrong with it? The comparision does piss off racial minorities  galaxy21   Dec-24-08 03:46 PM   #236 
     - Why did Samuel L Jackson do something he felt was offensive?  mondo joe   Dec-24-08 05:04 PM   #243 
        - Hey, the man's got to make money...  galaxy21   Dec-24-08 05:25 PM   #244 
           - He said something offensive to himself for the money?  mondo joe   Dec-24-08 05:27 PM   #245 
              - The 'he's got to make money' was mostly sarcasm. I doubt he was paid for it.  galaxy21   Dec-24-08 05:30 PM   #248 
                 - There are two questions.  mondo joe   Dec-24-08 05:34 PM   #250 
  - great post!  marimour   Dec-24-08 12:41 PM   #229 
     - Or, if you're trying to get it passed where a minority group has a cultural bias against  mondo joe   Dec-24-08 05:29 PM   #246 
        - So are you labeling a particular minority group homophobic?  wndycty   Dec-25-08 08:33 AM   #259 
  - And still no explanation as to why the comparison is offensive?  mondo joe   Dec-24-08 10:06 AM   #219 
  - Being Replaced Is Never Fun  Leo The Cleo   Dec-24-08 10:19 AM   #222 
  - Thank you Leo. I sincerely appreciate your response.  mondo joe   Dec-24-08 10:39 AM   #223 
     - No One Can Deny  Leo The Cleo   Dec-26-08 12:13 AM   #265 
  - Wish we had a  plantwomyn   Dec-30-08 01:36 PM   #272 
  - I find the comparisons to race offensive  PolNewf   Dec-24-08 03:12 PM   #234 
  - Uhm, look up the history of the pink triangle , to see where it comes from...  Solon   Dec-24-08 03:47 PM   #237 
  - I was clueless about the pink triangle  PolNewf   Dec-24-08 04:45 PM   #241 
     - You are correct, it is not pertinent to the contemporary gay civil rights movement in the US  Veruca Salt   Dec-24-08 05:52 PM   #251 
  - "Imagine comparing gay rights to the plight of the jews during the holocaust."  mondo joe   Dec-24-08 05:31 PM   #249 
  - And as someone who both lost family in the Holocaust and was locked up for "maladjustment to the  Oak2004   Dec-25-08 03:20 PM   #264 
  - John Lewis:  JoeIsOneOfUs   Dec-24-08 03:43 PM   #235 
  - This should be its own thread.  Starbucks Anarchist   Dec-24-08 03:47 PM   #238 
  - I don't completely reject the idea of a heirarchy of suffering...  galaxy21   Dec-24-08 03:55 PM   #239 
  - Domestic versus international...  Solon   Dec-24-08 04:58 PM   #242 
     - But I think there is a point that not all civil rights causes are the same  galaxy21   Dec-25-08 12:00 PM   #261 
  - Wow. Just wow. Wndycty, have you ever been called an abomination by your own church?  Spectral Music   Dec-29-08 05:38 PM   #267 
  - Well  wndycty   Dec-30-08 01:48 PM   #273 
  - I'm just wondering  sakabatou   Dec-29-08 05:40 PM   #268 
  - "comparisons to RACE are BS" I disagree...  and-justice-for-all   Dec-29-08 06:12 PM   #270 
 

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