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Edited on Tue Dec-23-08 08:47 AM by wndycty
And quite FRANKLY OFFENSIVE.
Before I get into it I will also state my passionate support for LGBT rights, repeat that I support gay marriage and am offended by Rick Warren participating in the inauguration.
I understand why folks feel the need to draw moral equivalencies but realistically they are unnecessary and do a disservice to the struggles of any identity group. Who has it worse? Blacks? Gays? Women? Jews? Hispanics? Asians? Middle Easterners? People with disabilities? Do you really want to be the judge of that? The only thing we have in common is that we are dealing with bigotry and need our civil rights protected BUT THE STRUGGLES ARE DIFFERENT.
Can we learn from each others experiences? ABSOLUTELY!
The LGBT experience as it relates to discrimination and civil rights is completely different to the Black experience when it comes to the same issues. More importantly I don't need to think its the same to know that bigotry and discrimination against ANYONE is wrong.
When you consider the legacy of slavery and Jim Crow as well as issues like crime, education, racial profiling, the criminal justice system, jobs, economic redlining, home ownership, economic development, etc. would you say that Black struggles and the LGBT struggles are the same? And lots not forget the African Americans who also happen to be part of the LGBT community. I would assume that within the LGBT community their are different struggles based on gender, race, religion and gender identity.
During the primary we used to go back and forth about what is worse: racism or sexism. Again they are both bad and the issues are different. The struggles of racism and sexism do not need to be compared because they are different. Who has it worse a Black man or a white woman?
When talking discrimination and bigotry we often find ourselves establishing a hierarchy of suffering when in reality its all about and should not be tolerated.
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| -I support gay marriage, I'm offended by Warren at the Inaugural BUT these comparisons to RACE are BS |
wndycty |
Dec-23-08 08:40 AM |
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How Do You Feel About June Marriage? |
MannyGoldstein |
Dec-23-08 08:43 AM |
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Oh I'm against that SHIT |
wndycty |
Dec-23-08 08:47 AM |
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lol |
edwardlindy |
Dec-23-08 08:48 AM |
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No one is saying they're exactly the same, except that they are all wrong and all bigotry. |
mondo joe |
Dec-23-08 08:43 AM |
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I agree they're not the same, but so many people say they are |
Truth Hurts A Lot |
Dec-23-08 09:28 AM |
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I think they are analogous, and in some ways particularly so. |
mondo joe |
Dec-23-08 11:30 AM |
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I doubt its much comfort to those with someone standing on their |
roguevalley |
Dec-23-08 02:36 PM |
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I agree. No comfort. And no help. NT |
mondo joe |
Dec-23-08 03:08 PM |
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About the gay "Uncle Tom"... |
AntiFascist |
Dec-23-08 05:56 PM |
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"I do think that complaining about it is being overly sensitive and inflammatory" |
wndycty |
Dec-24-08 07:45 AM |
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When Obama made the comment at the debate at Saddleback church... |
AntiFascist |
Dec-25-08 02:58 PM |
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I don't find them to be BS at all. Both are civil rights issues, |
MadHound |
Dec-23-08 08:46 AM |
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Who is more likely to be unemployed? a straight Black man or a gay white male? |
wndycty |
Dec-23-08 08:50 AM |
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Sounds like you're trying to establish a hierarchy of who has it worse. NT |
mondo joe |
Dec-23-08 08:51 AM |
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Not trying to establish a hierarchy, I'm just showing that we ALL have to face discrimination. . . |
wndycty |
Dec-23-08 08:53 AM |
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Discrimination and human rights are different things. |
PeaceNikki |
Dec-23-08 08:54 AM |
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Human rights like the right to drive while Black . . . |
wndycty |
Dec-23-08 08:56 AM |
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Wow, you're thick |
PeaceNikki |
Dec-23-08 09:00 AM |
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And no where in my post did I say we shouldn't did I? |
wndycty |
Dec-23-08 09:01 AM |
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Exactly right. Straight blacks have the right to marry, gays don't. We are both discriminated |
PelosiFan |
Dec-23-08 07:34 PM |
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Funny, your posts seem to indicate the opposite. NT |
mondo joe |
Dec-23-08 08:55 AM |
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Oh Joe did I upset you. . . |
wndycty |
Dec-23-08 09:00 AM |
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No, I'm not upset. And I don't see how you think anything I've posted here has |
mondo joe |
Dec-23-08 09:02 AM |
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Bingo! |
ruggerson |
Dec-23-08 09:03 AM |
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It's not a pissing match to determine who "has it worse". All are entitled to the same rights. |
PeaceNikki |
Dec-23-08 08:53 AM |
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and if we had a pissing match, would we all be judged equally? I fear not. |
predfan |
Dec-23-08 09:24 AM |
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Who the fuck cares? |
Rockholm |
Dec-23-08 08:56 AM |
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And WHO'S JOB IS PROTECTED UNDER THE LAW right now |
Lex |
Dec-23-08 09:58 AM |
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You can be fired for being gay, but not for being black. |
Starbucks Anarchist |
Dec-23-08 10:04 AM |
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everyday there are people who can not get the job in the first place |
salin |
Dec-23-08 11:03 AM |
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It is all an outrage, but I was correcting the OP's mistaken assumption. |
Starbucks Anarchist |
Dec-23-08 11:04 AM |
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Point taken |
salin |
Dec-23-08 11:18 AM |
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What is my mistaken assumption? |
wndycty |
Dec-23-08 05:03 PM |
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See post #12. |
Starbucks Anarchist |
Dec-23-08 05:27 PM |
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That happens with gender as well. |
polmaven |
Dec-24-08 04:05 PM |
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You must have missed the part where you wrote: |
MetricSystem |
Dec-23-08 11:01 AM |
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You're viewing this as a matter of economics |
Neecy |
Dec-23-08 11:10 AM |
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I don't know about where you live but where I live it would be a LOT harder for a gay white male to |
musicblind |
Dec-23-08 11:47 AM |
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Or how about a gay black male? |
sniffa |
Dec-23-08 06:23 PM |
#183 |
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Who is more likely to be disowned by their family? |
jumptheshadow |
Dec-24-08 06:28 PM |
#252 |
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Can you tell if a person is gay by just looking at them? |
jeffrey_X |
Dec-23-08 05:14 PM |
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In certain cases, but here's a point some fail to realize: |
Starbucks Anarchist |
Dec-23-08 05:29 PM |
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Yes, you can, with many gay people |
jumptheshadow |
Dec-24-08 06:37 PM |
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Often, yes. And even when you can't, it's not really a benefit. |
mondo joe |
Dec-24-08 07:11 PM |
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Do you know the history of & significance of this image? |
baldguy |
Dec-23-08 08:47 AM |
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I do. And? |
cali |
Dec-23-08 08:57 AM |
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Thanks for getting it Cali . . . |
wndycty |
Dec-23-08 09:34 AM |
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The OP said civil rights for gays is a worthy cause, |
baldguy |
Dec-23-08 11:37 AM |
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Yes, he was implying that the black experience was worse |
jumptheshadow |
Dec-24-08 07:09 PM |
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In the end, we all have our OPINIONS. |
OwnedByFerrets |
Dec-23-08 08:47 AM |
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You're not allowed to be offended. We're just reaching out . You must embrace us. |
Malikshah |
Dec-23-08 08:47 AM |
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Can we say that they're sometimes the same and sometimes not? Matthew Shepard probably thought ... |
GodlessBiker |
Dec-23-08 08:48 AM |
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Here's my take on the comparison between race inequality and gender inequality....... |
predfan |
Dec-23-08 08:48 AM |
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You seem to be the one interested in "establishing a hierarchy" here |
katandmoon |
Dec-23-08 08:49 AM |
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Which posts are saying LGBT's have it worse than any other group? |
mondo joe |
Dec-23-08 08:51 AM |
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Every post that says, "...but YOUR rights are protected under the law." |
jenmito |
Dec-23-08 11:12 AM |
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I don't construe that to mean LGBT people have it worse in every way, |
mondo joe |
Dec-23-08 03:56 PM |
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Having your rights protected by law doesn't mean much... |
jenmito |
Dec-23-08 07:09 PM |
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It seems like people who say they don't like the comparison keep making it. |
mondo joe |
Dec-23-08 08:56 PM |
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I agree with you, wndy, although many over here will find your post offensive. |
Katzenkavalier |
Dec-23-08 08:51 AM |
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But since I can get married. . . |
wndycty |
Dec-23-08 08:52 AM |
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It's interesting that the OP claims you can't say who had it worse, and then follows |
mondo joe |
Dec-23-08 08:53 AM |
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That is your problem, not mine. . . |
wndycty |
Dec-23-08 08:54 AM |
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Your insincerity is evident. |
mondo joe |
Dec-23-08 08:56 AM |
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LOL if you say so, you obviously know what is in my heart |
wndycty |
Dec-23-08 08:57 AM |
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I know what you've posted. |
mondo joe |
Dec-23-08 08:59 AM |
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Give it a FUCKING break. . . |
wndycty |
Dec-23-08 09:02 AM |
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You seem very angry. If you're too upset to have a dialog just say so. |
mondo joe |
Dec-23-08 09:04 AM |
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Assuming that you could convince everyone of that, what would you have changed IRL? |
No Elephants |
Dec-23-08 09:24 AM |
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Loving v Virginia is the comparison I make. |
Warren Stupidity |
Dec-23-08 08:58 AM |
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Especially since the arguments against both same-sex and interracial marriage are |
mondo joe |
Dec-23-08 09:00 AM |
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who exactly are you making this argument to? |
marimour |
Dec-24-08 01:25 PM |
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plenty of black people aren't exactly pro-interracial marriage ? |
Warren Stupidity |
Dec-24-08 02:08 PM |
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The point of the Loving reference is judicial precedent, not to touch the tender hearts |
mondo joe |
Dec-24-08 07:12 PM |
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Typo in your subject line |
ayeshahaqqiqa |
Dec-23-08 08:59 AM |
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I fixed it didn't I. For the record I am against may marriage. . .FUCK that shit |
wndycty |
Dec-23-08 09:00 AM |
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Please justify your aversion to May marriage......... |
predfan |
Dec-23-08 09:05 AM |
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Strait marriages are the best. |
NYC_SKP |
Dec-23-08 09:09 AM |
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You say that the comparisons are "offensive" |
ruggerson |
Dec-23-08 09:03 AM |
#37 |
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I didn't see a question here |
wndycty |
Dec-23-08 06:43 PM |
#185 |
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When talking discrimination and bigotry" |
pecwae |
Dec-23-08 09:03 AM |
#38 |
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the hierachy of suffering - it appears to be human nature to establish the hierarchy |
merh |
Dec-23-08 11:41 AM |
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A very thoughtful post. Thank you. |
pecwae |
Dec-23-08 12:09 PM |
#125 |
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Cancer patients don't look at each other and say, my cancer is worse than your's. |
merh |
Dec-23-08 12:22 PM |
#129 |
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But neither do they say "you can't compare your cancer to mine." NT |
mondo joe |
Dec-24-08 07:14 PM |
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Civil rights are civil rights. The struggles, issues and objectives have common traits. Therefore |
No Elephants |
Dec-23-08 09:06 AM |
#42 |
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Absolutely. Every struggle is unique, and every one has ways that can be described as worse. |
mondo joe |
Dec-23-08 09:08 AM |
#43 |
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"everyone deserves the same rights" |
wndycty |
Dec-23-08 09:10 AM |
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Thank you. Now I'm just going to say, and I hope we can do this civilly, |
mondo joe |
Dec-23-08 09:12 AM |
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Its funny with your patronizing "I hope we can do this civilly" |
wndycty |
Dec-23-08 09:16 AM |
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If you want to construe a sincere effort to have dialog as patronizing, there's not a lot |
mondo joe |
Dec-23-08 09:18 AM |
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I never even acted like GLBT issues were limited to gay marriage |
wndycty |
Dec-23-08 09:20 AM |
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So if I say there should be no hierarchy, that all struggles are different, and that all |
mondo joe |
Dec-23-08 09:22 AM |
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Just because things are not identical, it does not mean that you cannot compare them. Heck, even |
No Elephants |
Dec-23-08 09:21 AM |
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Awesome post! nt |
Balderdash |
Dec-23-08 10:15 AM |
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Why, thank you. |
No Elephants |
Dec-23-08 06:23 PM |
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To build upon your point: |
MJDuncan1982 |
Dec-24-08 12:22 PM |
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see my post below about the "denialism" in some LGBT quarters (speaking as someone LGBT myself) |
cloudythescribbler |
Dec-23-08 10:00 AM |
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From the majority of posts that I have read here on this issue, comparing the two struggles, for the |
IsItJustMe |
Dec-23-08 09:09 AM |
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Yup and not only to they fall flat but they also show a lack of appreciation . . . |
wndycty |
Dec-23-08 09:17 AM |
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Which comparisons are saying the struggles of other groups are lesser than GLBT's? |
mondo joe |
Dec-23-08 09:19 AM |
#51 |
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I never said the lesser I said the same as. . .you are continuing to nitpick every word. . . |
wndycty |
Dec-23-08 09:22 AM |
#54 |
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I'm seeking clarification, and I'm doing so politely. If we agree, I have no issue. |
mondo joe |
Dec-23-08 09:25 AM |
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And this shows a lack of appreciation for all the |
Balderdash |
Dec-23-08 10:19 AM |
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You are doing what you say not to do... |
Bluenorthwest |
Dec-23-08 09:25 AM |
#58 |
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I'm not trying to establish a top dog of discrimination. . . |
wndycty |
Dec-23-08 09:29 AM |
#61 |
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Your priorities are odd |
Bluenorthwest |
Dec-23-08 10:05 AM |
#77 |
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...and we accuse the GOP of playing identity politics. |
Vash the Stampede |
Dec-23-08 09:44 AM |
#63 |
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Somehow, some people have convinced themselves that making racist comments ... |
HamdenRice |
Dec-23-08 09:49 AM |
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Thanks. . . |
wndycty |
Dec-23-08 09:53 AM |
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I want to be clear that I agree with the message |
Bluenorthwest |
Dec-23-08 10:27 AM |
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I second this. Thank you for highlighting this aspect. |
political_Dem |
Dec-23-08 10:26 AM |
#84 |
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Citations please; if someone is making racist statements on DU they should be alerted |
Veruca Salt |
Dec-23-08 12:04 PM |
#122 |
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I second that |
jumptheshadow |
Dec-25-08 12:49 PM |
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Post a LINK to back that up. |
Starbucks Anarchist |
Dec-23-08 12:57 PM |
#137 |
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i've alerted plenty of links, especially after Prop 8. Thankfully they were removed. |
marimour |
Dec-24-08 12:47 PM |
#230 |
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I have drawn some of the moral equivalencies |
lwfern |
Dec-23-08 09:55 AM |
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They are not exactly "THE SAME." It's an ANALOGY. |
Lex |
Dec-23-08 09:57 AM |
#67 |
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"Your OP is dangerously devoid of understanding" |
LostinVA |
Dec-23-08 09:59 AM |
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this thread is just part of the backlash against us for daring to |
jonnyblitz |
Dec-23-08 10:09 AM |
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Seriously -- I need to lock the keyboard in my trunk |
LostinVA |
Dec-23-08 10:27 AM |
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Are you FUCKING KIDDING ME? I have criticized Obama over the Warren issue. . . |
wndycty |
Dec-23-08 04:09 PM |
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+1 |
Veruca Salt |
Dec-23-08 11:13 AM |
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GLBT rights are just the same as ANY civil rights struggle |
LostinVA |
Dec-23-08 09:58 AM |
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Exactly so. |
Lex |
Dec-23-08 10:00 AM |
#73 |
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Really? |
HamdenRice |
Dec-23-08 10:30 AM |
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Dec-23-08 10:49 AM |
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Deleted message |
Name removed |
Dec-23-08 10:55 AM |
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I'mm actually born and bred in NJ and live there -- oh such ignorance |
LostinVA |
Dec-23-08 11:04 AM |
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Do some research on what the gay populace lives with in Jamaica... |
Veruca Salt |
Dec-23-08 11:33 AM |
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forgive me... |
salin |
Dec-23-08 11:01 AM |
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Your ignorance on the Public Nature of GLBT lynchings bothers me |
LostinVA |
Dec-23-08 11:03 AM |
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Then please inform me |
salin |
Dec-23-08 11:07 AM |
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To clarify, since it seems the PM machine to alert is alive and well, |
Moderator |
Dec-23-08 12:24 PM |
#130 |
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Are you calling Coretta Scott King a liar? |
Starbucks Anarchist |
Dec-23-08 11:10 AM |
#102 |
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Pretty much. |
Bornaginhooligan |
Dec-23-08 12:09 PM |
#124 |
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What part of the US did this take place in? |
HamdenRice |
Dec-24-08 06:30 AM |
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Will this work better for you? |
sniffa |
Dec-29-08 05:47 PM |
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Coretta Scott King thought so... |
Veruca Salt |
Dec-23-08 09:59 AM |
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King: "Homophobia is like racism and anti-Semitism and other forms of bigotry" |
Lex |
Dec-23-08 10:02 AM |
#74 |
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Yeah, but what did she know about this stuff? |
QC |
Dec-23-08 10:41 AM |
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Thank you for your post. |
political_Dem |
Dec-23-08 10:04 AM |
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VERY CRUCIAL ISSUE -- key aspect is that many LGBT rights advocates are in denial |
cloudythescribbler |
Dec-23-08 10:20 AM |
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Excellent post! |
HamdenRice |
Dec-23-08 10:26 AM |
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Bravo. |
political_Dem |
Dec-23-08 10:28 AM |
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Excellent post. |
littlebit |
Dec-23-08 10:58 AM |
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I don't know why it's considered racist to say 70% of CA blacks voted for Prop8 except when |
mondo joe |
Dec-23-08 11:15 AM |
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I am not in California - but work with urban youth in the midwest |
salin |
Dec-23-08 11:30 AM |
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Got your point, and no real disagreement. But it's very striking to me that |
mondo joe |
Dec-23-08 11:32 AM |
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I missed that earlier discussion |
salin |
Dec-23-08 11:39 AM |
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Understood. NT |
mondo joe |
Dec-23-08 11:41 AM |
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Perhaps the fact's mainly cited in the context of "blaming" blacks 4 the passage of prop 8, while... |
cloudythescribbler |
Dec-23-08 12:05 PM |
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I don't disagree in principle, but for some time any reference |
mondo joe |
Dec-23-08 12:10 PM |
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Having read the comments above, I understand that |
kiva |
Dec-23-08 10:21 AM |
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I read this thread as if there are two - parallel but distinctly seperate |
salin |
Dec-23-08 10:48 AM |
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Salin thanks for your examination of my OP. . . |
wndycty |
Dec-23-08 12:28 PM |
#132 |
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Why are they offensive? Not why are they different. Why are the comparisons offensive to you? |
GreenJ |
Dec-23-08 10:39 AM |
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they get offensive when.. |
marimour |
Dec-23-08 11:33 AM |
#111 |
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That's exactly right. |
Political Heretic |
Dec-23-08 11:57 AM |
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OK |
BronxBoy |
Dec-23-08 12:00 PM |
#121 |
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Perhaps the reason why few people are speaking to that issue is because |
Raineyb |
Dec-24-08 10:44 AM |
#224 |
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I am so sick of the idiotic idea that the gay rights movement started a year or two ago |
GreenJ |
Dec-23-08 12:20 PM |
#128 |
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im not talking about the actions of just individuals |
marimour |
Dec-23-08 07:42 PM |
#195 |
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i'm not acting like it started 2 years ago |
marimour |
Dec-23-08 07:45 PM |
#197 |
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So what, gay people sprang to life in the last 30 years? |
GreenJ |
Dec-23-08 08:24 PM |
#199 |
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do you actually read my posts? |
marimour |
Dec-24-08 12:29 PM |
#227 |
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When do you think the gay rights movement started? |
GreenJ |
Dec-24-08 10:42 PM |
#258 |
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How long do you think gays have been denied equal rights exactly? |
mondo joe |
Dec-23-08 09:27 PM |
#207 |
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not the point. |
marimour |
Dec-24-08 12:26 PM |
#226 |
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How long have GLBT people struggled? |
mondo joe |
Dec-24-08 05:29 PM |
#247 |
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.... |
marimour |
Dec-23-08 11:33 AM |
#112 |
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So what if they are different?????? |
BronxBoy |
Dec-23-08 11:54 AM |
#119 |
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Thank you! |
Balderdash |
Dec-24-08 01:14 PM |
#231 |
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Come on, don't be obtuse |
treestar |
Dec-23-08 12:11 PM |
#127 |
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This thread has been enormusly enlightening. |
Marrah_G |
Dec-23-08 12:27 PM |
#131 |
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Gay is the new Black . . . . huh? |
Leo The Cleo |
Dec-23-08 12:36 PM |
#133 |
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Welcome to DU and thanks for you reasoned responsed to my OP |
wndycty |
Dec-23-08 12:38 PM |
#135 |
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welcome to DU |
merh |
Dec-23-08 12:53 PM |
#136 |
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Excellent point. |
political_Dem |
Dec-23-08 03:53 PM |
#141 |
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Well, not really, insofar as both "black" and "gay" are social constructs. |
sfexpat2000 |
Dec-23-08 04:20 PM |
#146 |
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wrong |
Leo The Cleo |
Dec-23-08 04:48 PM |
#147 |
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No, I'm not saying that, for one thing. And for another |
sfexpat2000 |
Dec-23-08 04:52 PM |
#148 |
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How are you not saying that? |
Leo The Cleo |
Dec-23-08 05:02 PM |
#151 |
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Labels are about identity imposed from the outside, right, where all labels are? |
sfexpat2000 |
Dec-23-08 05:07 PM |
#154 |
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Label and Identity are not the same? |
Leo The Cleo |
Dec-23-08 05:21 PM |
#160 |
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No, labels and identity are not the same. Labels are for outsiders |
sfexpat2000 |
Dec-23-08 05:27 PM |
#166 |
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Patantly False |
Leo The Cleo |
Dec-23-08 05:44 PM |
#170 |
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You miss the entire point of self-identification and labeling by outsiders. |
sfexpat2000 |
Dec-23-08 05:48 PM |
#173 |
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Wrong again |
Leo The Cleo |
Dec-23-08 06:06 PM |
#175 |
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Labels by definition come from the outside. |
sfexpat2000 |
Dec-23-08 06:09 PM |
#177 |
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Untrue. |
Leo The Cleo |
Dec-23-08 06:18 PM |
#180 |
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You really need to crack a dictionary. |
sfexpat2000 |
Dec-23-08 06:54 PM |
#187 |
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If you cracked one, you wouldn't even know what it said. |
Leo The Cleo |
Dec-23-08 07:08 PM |
#188 |
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Who said "gay is the new black?" |
jumptheshadow |
Dec-25-08 10:32 AM |
#260 |
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"Divide and conquer" strategies : guaranteed to give boners to all lurking wingnuts! |
bullwinkle428 |
Dec-23-08 12:36 PM |
#134 |
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Funny--you just made that comparison very nicely. |
Orsino |
Dec-23-08 01:01 PM |
#138 |
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Being offended is to participate in a "hierarchy of suffering". n/t |
sfexpat2000 |
Dec-23-08 04:13 PM |
#144 |
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It's a non-comparison, but it's not unimportant |
nichomachus |
Dec-23-08 04:20 PM |
#145 |
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I thought about your questions, and decided to find some answers to them. |
political_Dem |
Dec-23-08 05:40 PM |
#169 |
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I enjoyed reading your post |
rexthedestroyer |
Dec-23-08 07:43 PM |
#196 |
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Your post is simply DISGUSTING! |
Karenina |
Dec-23-08 09:11 PM |
#206 |
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Thank you very much. I agree with what you've said 100 per-cent. |
political_Dem |
Dec-23-08 09:28 PM |
#208 |
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I have no PROBLEM with Negros |
leftofthedial |
Dec-23-08 04:54 PM |
#149 |
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So what you are really saying then is... |
AntiFascist |
Dec-23-08 04:59 PM |
#150 |
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Tell me exactly where I am saying that |
wndycty |
Dec-23-08 05:02 PM |
#152 |
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Let's do this step by step... |
AntiFascist |
Dec-23-08 05:09 PM |
#155 |
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Nope, never did and tell me where I did. |
wndycty |
Dec-23-08 05:11 PM |
#156 |
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Ok, I'll admit I made a drive by posting without paying full attention to your message... |
AntiFascist |
Dec-23-08 05:19 PM |
#159 |
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But I'm not singling out GLBT rights. . . |
wndycty |
Dec-23-08 05:22 PM |
#161 |
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Then, what's the beef? Bigotry has one thing in common - it is wrong |
bluedawg12 |
Dec-23-08 05:25 PM |
#162 |
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Ok, so the use of "holocaust" is often misapplied... |
AntiFascist |
Dec-23-08 05:26 PM |
#164 |
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Ahhhh now I see what I was missing! |
Veruca Salt |
Dec-24-08 10:09 AM |
#221 |
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The civil rights struggle for blacks and gays are parallel. |
bluedawg12 |
Dec-23-08 05:14 PM |
#157 |
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Queer theorist (and Harvard Law Prof Janet Halley wrote about "like race" arguments |
tishaLA |
Dec-23-08 05:26 PM |
#163 |
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I think we are parsing words. If bigotry is wrong than it is wrong. |
bluedawg12 |
Dec-23-08 05:31 PM |
#168 |
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well arguments are often about parsing words |
tishaLA |
Dec-23-08 06:49 PM |
#186 |
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The issue is bigotry and it is wrong - I hope you agree? |
bluedawg12 |
Dec-23-08 07:27 PM |
#190 |
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the analogical argument is the basis of the OP |
tishaLA |
Dec-23-08 07:50 PM |
#198 |
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No. The OP says we should not establish a hierarchy of suffering. |
bluedawg12 |
Dec-23-08 08:27 PM |
#200 |
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what about the line that says |
tishaLA |
Dec-23-08 09:03 PM |
#205 |
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The comparisons that aren't BS: destruction of families including gay's. |
bluedawg12 |
Dec-23-08 10:24 PM |
#209 |
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we're obviously talking past each other |
tishaLA |
Dec-24-08 02:01 AM |
#210 |
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we completely disagree here. Bigotry is bigotry of any stripe. nt |
LaydeeBug |
Dec-23-08 05:46 PM |
#171 |
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K&R and I'm going to leave for DU for a while until this Warren stuff dies down |
SweetieD |
Dec-23-08 05:48 PM |
#172 |
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What is the point you're trying to make? |
ruggerson |
Dec-23-08 06:08 PM |
#176 |
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That's a really good question. |
bluedawg12 |
Dec-23-08 06:12 PM |
#179 |
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I never got a response to my question either. Why is it offensive? |
GreenJ |
Dec-23-08 06:19 PM |
#181 |
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So now I'm supposed to respond every post? |
wndycty |
Dec-23-08 06:41 PM |
#184 |
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Were you asked to respond to every post? |
bluedawg12 |
Dec-23-08 07:29 PM |
#191 |
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See post 176 |
wndycty |
Dec-23-08 08:32 PM |
#201 |
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As I said, was everyone expecting you to reply? Answer: No. |
bluedawg12 |
Dec-23-08 08:55 PM |
#202 |
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It's not a zero sum game. |
boppers |
Dec-23-08 06:10 PM |
#178 |
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***BUT*** always explains it all, doesn't it? |
Bluebear |
Dec-23-08 07:31 PM |
#192 |
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Our struggle for civil rights is EXACTLY the same as blacks' struggle for civil rights. |
PelosiFan |
Dec-23-08 07:38 PM |
#194 |
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All civil rights struggles are analogous, and can be compared and contrasted. |
mondo joe |
Dec-23-08 08:57 PM |
#204 |
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OK, then ... |
HamdenRice |
Dec-24-08 06:33 AM |
#213 |
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Ever hear of the Stonewall Riots? |
Starbucks Anarchist |
Dec-24-08 10:09 AM |
#220 |
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me too. in fact, show me those and i'll be 1st in line at the next demonstration. |
marimour |
Dec-24-08 12:38 PM |
#228 |
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Only our blood on the streets will move you? |
plantwomyn |
Dec-29-08 05:36 PM |
#266 |
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Thanks for posting that, Plantwomyn |
sheeptramp |
Dec-29-08 06:15 PM |
#271 |
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You're wrong. It's perfectly analogous. |
TexasObserver |
Dec-24-08 02:03 AM |
#211 |
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Explain to me to see how I see both race and gay issues are about civil rights. . . |
wndycty |
Dec-24-08 07:44 AM |
#215 |
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Have you read the title you placed on this topic? |
TexasObserver |
Dec-24-08 07:54 AM |
#217 |
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If I was trying to get gay marriage passed in a state with a lot of African Americans in it |
galaxy21 |
Dec-24-08 07:33 AM |
#214 |
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Good to see you fueling a wrong perspective again! |
mondo joe |
Dec-24-08 09:58 AM |
#218 |
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What is wrong with it? The comparision does piss off racial minorities |
galaxy21 |
Dec-24-08 03:46 PM |
#236 |
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Why did Samuel L Jackson do something he felt was offensive? |
mondo joe |
Dec-24-08 05:04 PM |
#243 |
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Hey, the man's got to make money... |
galaxy21 |
Dec-24-08 05:25 PM |
#244 |
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He said something offensive to himself for the money? |
mondo joe |
Dec-24-08 05:27 PM |
#245 |
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The 'he's got to make money' was mostly sarcasm. I doubt he was paid for it. |
galaxy21 |
Dec-24-08 05:30 PM |
#248 |
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There are two questions. |
mondo joe |
Dec-24-08 05:34 PM |
#250 |
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great post! |
marimour |
Dec-24-08 12:41 PM |
#229 |
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Or, if you're trying to get it passed where a minority group has a cultural bias against |
mondo joe |
Dec-24-08 05:29 PM |
#246 |
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So are you labeling a particular minority group homophobic? |
wndycty |
Dec-25-08 08:33 AM |
#259 |
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And still no explanation as to why the comparison is offensive? |
mondo joe |
Dec-24-08 10:06 AM |
#219 |
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Being Replaced Is Never Fun |
Leo The Cleo |
Dec-24-08 10:19 AM |
#222 |
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Thank you Leo. I sincerely appreciate your response. |
mondo joe |
Dec-24-08 10:39 AM |
#223 |
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No One Can Deny |
Leo The Cleo |
Dec-26-08 12:13 AM |
#265 |
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Wish we had a |
plantwomyn |
Dec-30-08 01:36 PM |
#272 |
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I find the comparisons to race offensive |
PolNewf |
Dec-24-08 03:12 PM |
#234 |
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Uhm, look up the history of the pink triangle , to see where it comes from... |
Solon |
Dec-24-08 03:47 PM |
#237 |
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I was clueless about the pink triangle |
PolNewf |
Dec-24-08 04:45 PM |
#241 |
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You are correct, it is not pertinent to the contemporary gay civil rights movement in the US |
Veruca Salt |
Dec-24-08 05:52 PM |
#251 |
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"Imagine comparing gay rights to the plight of the jews during the holocaust." |
mondo joe |
Dec-24-08 05:31 PM |
#249 |
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And as someone who both lost family in the Holocaust and was locked up for "maladjustment to the |
Oak2004 |
Dec-25-08 03:20 PM |
#264 |
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John Lewis: |
JoeIsOneOfUs |
Dec-24-08 03:43 PM |
#235 |
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This should be its own thread. |
Starbucks Anarchist |
Dec-24-08 03:47 PM |
#238 |
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I don't completely reject the idea of a heirarchy of suffering... |
galaxy21 |
Dec-24-08 03:55 PM |
#239 |
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Domestic versus international... |
Solon |
Dec-24-08 04:58 PM |
#242 |
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But I think there is a point that not all civil rights causes are the same |
galaxy21 |
Dec-25-08 12:00 PM |
#261 |
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Wow. Just wow. Wndycty, have you ever been called an abomination by your own church? |
Spectral Music |
Dec-29-08 05:38 PM |
#267 |
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Well |
wndycty |
Dec-30-08 01:48 PM |
#273 |
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I'm just wondering |
sakabatou |
Dec-29-08 05:40 PM |
#268 |
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"comparisons to RACE are BS" I disagree... |
and-justice-for-all |
Dec-29-08 06:12 PM |
#270 |
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