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157. Oh please. Let's not throw out the baby with the bathwater. No, let's just throw out gays.
You can't just get rid of faith. Your recommendation does nothing for the immediate problem. There will be an invocation, there will be swearing in on the bible, there will be a benediction. I agree that religion shouldn't be any part of the inauguration, but it is. And since it is, we can at least object to who is chosen to perform it.
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  -Let's just get down to the basics - according to Maslow. last1standing  Dec-21-08 10:10 AM   #0 
  - While I agree on almost all points, the only thing I disagree with is...  Dennis Donovan   Dec-21-08 10:16 AM   #1 
  - I very much hope you are right.  last1standing   Dec-21-08 10:19 AM   #3 
  - VERY few people on DU say "just get over it". But the fact is, if you want to be a reptile  cryingshame   Dec-21-08 10:19 AM   #2 
  - You just said get over it...  Dennis Donovan   Dec-21-08 10:21 AM   #4 
  - No, actually. But when you can't move beyond anger everything you hear will be an insult  cryingshame   Dec-21-08 10:27 AM   #11 
     - This has gone far beyond anger...  Dennis Donovan   Dec-21-08 10:31 AM   #13 
     - Acceptable? There's no choice but "accept" it cause it's not changing. Doesn't mean I like it  cryingshame   Dec-21-08 10:34 AM   #19 
        - In other words "just get over it". Right?  last1standing   Dec-21-08 10:35 AM   #21 
        - Um, no. Because "just get over it" means FORGET ABOUT IT. Did I come close to invalidating  cryingshame   Dec-21-08 10:37 AM   #24 
           - Really? You seem to have no trouble invalidating them from what I'm seeing.  last1standing   Dec-21-08 10:39 AM   #27 
        - Well, I choose not to accept it. I choose to empathize with those who are upset about it  Dennis Donovan   Dec-21-08 10:47 AM   #35 
           - I don't think you're going to see her again in this thread. She's humiliated herself.  last1standing   Dec-21-08 11:04 AM   #40 
              - Did you see this post of hers?  Starbucks Anarchist   Dec-21-08 12:36 PM   #101 
                 - That is seriously deranged.  last1standing   Dec-21-08 12:39 PM   #104 
                    - Seriously deranged and yet typical. n/t  QC   Dec-21-08 01:34 PM   #143 
     - I read that as self-defense.  No Elephants   Dec-21-08 10:34 AM   #17 
     - That's because the Opening Poster didn't go on to declare how they advocate using violence  cryingshame   Dec-21-08 10:35 AM   #22 
        - Still no link, there?  last1standing   Dec-21-08 10:37 AM   #25 
        - Here's a link to your multiple posts. You don't fully express your views on using violence  cryingshame   Dec-21-08 10:40 AM   #29 
           - And do you realize that isn't me? Do you have trouble reading my user name?  last1standing   Dec-21-08 10:43 AM   #32 
           - You're real quiet all of a sudden, Cryingshame. Why is that?  last1standing   Dec-21-08 11:01 AM   #38 
           - Over half an hour and still no apology? And you were so quick to attack.  last1standing   Dec-21-08 11:25 AM   #43 
           - An hour and a half but still you're too cowardly to admit your mistake.  last1standing   Dec-21-08 12:04 PM   #65 
           - Three hours since you first slandered me with lies, cryingshame. No apology?  last1standing   Dec-21-08 01:23 PM   #140 
           - Four hours and you're still hiding.  last1standing   Dec-21-08 02:24 PM   #146 
        - Do you have a link for that accusation?  yardwork   Dec-21-08 11:49 AM   #54 
     - move beyond anger = get over it.  Donnachaidh   Dec-21-08 11:38 AM   #49 
  - Flame #1.  last1standing   Dec-21-08 10:21 AM   #5 
  - There's not one insult in my post. You are the one who focuses on the reptilian brain function  cryingshame   Dec-21-08 10:26 AM   #10 
     - And if you show me violence I WILL respond in kind. That is self protection.  last1standing   Dec-21-08 10:31 AM   #12 
     - Do you have a link for that accusation? That's a very serious accusation to make against someone.  yardwork   Dec-21-08 11:51 AM   #56 
  - Plenty of people on DU say either "Just get over it," or "Sit down and shut up," or "This is  No Elephants   Dec-21-08 10:31 AM   #14 
  - It's very Freepery of them. NT  mondo joe   Dec-21-08 10:40 AM   #30 
  - I "want to be a reptile?"  yardwork   Dec-21-08 11:45 AM   #52 
  - Callling someone a reptile because they have a different view is wrong  peacetrain   Dec-21-08 01:12 PM   #132 
     - We're being called reptiles because we're gay.  yardwork   Dec-21-08 01:15 PM   #134 
  - Well, then, the ability to get married will definitely frustrate the SEX satisfaction part!  HamdenRice   Dec-21-08 10:23 AM   #6 
  - LOL...marriage is not always that fulfilling  Jennicut   Dec-21-08 10:26 AM   #9 
  - Yes, all should have access to marriage, as long as all also get acess to divorce. Otherwise, it's  No Elephants   Dec-21-08 10:35 AM   #20 
     - Yes it is.  Jennicut   Dec-21-08 10:39 AM   #26 
  - Deleted message  Name removed   Dec-21-08 11:47 AM   #53 
     - Deleted sub-thread  Name removed   Dec-21-08 12:05 PM   #68 
  - recommend  xchrom   Dec-21-08 10:23 AM   #7 
  - Really? This is about the Opening Poster advocating the use of violence to solve problems  cryingshame   Dec-21-08 10:31 AM   #15 
     - I notice you never provide a link to that comment.  last1standing   Dec-21-08 10:33 AM   #16 
     - Apparently you have a short memory. I quoted you directly.  cryingshame   Dec-21-08 10:41 AM   #31 
        - THATS IWANTANYDEM, NOT ME! Can't you even read a user name?  last1standing   Dec-21-08 10:44 AM   #33 
        - Are you drunk? That's another poster.  yardwork   Dec-21-08 11:52 AM   #58 
        - What is wrong with you? That is a completely different poster.  Midlodemocrat   Dec-21-08 02:15 PM   #144 
        - Hatred has blurred more than just her judgment.  last1standing   Dec-21-08 02:43 PM   #155 
        - You dumb ass! You're quoting a completely different user.  racaulk   Dec-21-08 02:30 PM   #148 
        - WTF? LOL  PelosiFan   Dec-21-08 02:43 PM   #156 
        - FAIIIIIIIIIIL!  Starbucks Anarchist   Dec-22-08 09:36 AM   #169 
     - Recommend. Even if you are right about the quote, ti is not from this thread and it sounds like  No Elephants   Dec-21-08 10:40 AM   #28 
        - Her link leads to a different poster. She couldn't even get that right.  last1standing   Dec-21-08 10:45 AM   #34 
        - Meanwhile, all gays are reptiles. Who knew?  yardwork   Dec-21-08 11:53 AM   #59 
  - The species cannot survive without sex. Individual members of the species,  No Elephants   Dec-21-08 10:24 AM   #8 
  - K&R Phenomenal Post Yes !  Mira   Dec-21-08 10:34 AM   #18 
  - Thanks. I was hoping it would lead to some understanding.  last1standing   Dec-21-08 10:36 AM   #23 
  - I agree that Sexuality is absolutely fundamental to a functional concept of Self  patrice   Dec-21-08 10:54 AM   #36 
  - If this event leads to a crystallization of the GLBT community to fight, then you're right.  last1standing   Dec-21-08 11:12 AM   #41 
  - Do we agree that there is fighting and then there is "fighting"?  patrice   Dec-21-08 11:31 AM   #44 
     - It depends on what you see as useful.  last1standing   Dec-21-08 11:35 AM   #46 
        - I am very happy to consider things in terms of their uses, especially as that relates to Development  patrice   Dec-21-08 11:44 AM   #50 
           - LOL! I appreciate your interst but I don't want to get off topic here.  last1standing   Dec-21-08 12:05 PM   #69 
              - okay, then . . . Merry Christmas!  patrice   Dec-21-08 12:11 PM   #75 
                 - And Happy Holidays to you.  last1standing   Dec-21-08 12:14 PM   #81 
  - It's a lot more than sex, of course. There's personal security, social acceptance...  yardwork   Dec-21-08 12:12 PM   #77 
  - That chart is upside down.  LWolf   Dec-21-08 10:59 AM   #37 
  - A lot of people use the inverted chart nowadays.  last1standing   Dec-21-08 11:03 AM   #39 
  - Moving left -  TBF   Dec-21-08 11:17 AM   #42 
  - Agreed.  LWolf   Dec-21-08 02:19 PM   #145 
  - I like the chart "upside down". I also like your application of the concept to "Democrats". nt  patrice   Dec-21-08 11:37 AM   #48 
  - We need to stop him from speaking or gay people will die! (nt)  Umbram   Dec-21-08 11:32 AM   #45 
  - How does it feel to be a fully fledge human being with all your rights intact?  last1standing   Dec-21-08 11:36 AM   #47 
  - Naaw.  Umbram   Dec-21-08 11:52 AM   #57 
     - What a shame our rights don't rise to the level you require to support us.  last1standing   Dec-21-08 11:56 AM   #60 
     - Of course.  Umbram   Dec-21-08 11:59 AM   #61 
     - You poor thing  haruka3_2000   Dec-21-08 12:57 PM   #124 
     - You're missing a fascinating example of sado-religious porn.  yardwork   Dec-21-08 12:43 PM   #110 
        - What is always this explicit on DU  Umbram   Dec-21-08 01:17 PM   #136 
     - Gay people are being "literally executed" in many countries, including the U.S.  yardwork   Dec-21-08 12:01 PM   #62 
     - Maybe he doesn't care.  last1standing   Dec-21-08 12:02 PM   #64 
     - Maybe he likes it.  yardwork   Dec-21-08 12:04 PM   #66 
     - That is the most likely scenario.  last1standing   Dec-21-08 12:06 PM   #71 
        - I would bet on it. It's fairly easy to spot the sadists who enjoy sexual violence.  yardwork   Dec-21-08 12:09 PM   #74 
           - *rolls eyes*  Umbram   Dec-21-08 12:15 PM   #83 
     - Obviously. Gay kids dying is treated like a minor shame by those who enjoy their  mondo joe   Dec-21-08 12:05 PM   #70 
     - Lets try being honest.  Umbram   Dec-21-08 12:05 PM   #67 
        - By legitimizing people who equate gays with child molestors, increasing their  mondo joe   Dec-21-08 12:07 PM   #72 
        - I have a feeling that you know and are very pleased with it.  yardwork   Dec-21-08 12:07 PM   #73 
           - Fascinating.  Umbram   Dec-21-08 12:12 PM   #78 
              - Yes, I think that might be true.  yardwork   Dec-21-08 12:14 PM   #80 
              - I think you find it satisfactory. You plainly view GLBT people as privileged and  mondo joe   Dec-21-08 12:16 PM   #84 
     - It may be easy for you to ignore that gay teens are driven to suicide and homelessness  mondo joe   Dec-21-08 12:02 PM   #63 
        - You should not presuppose what I ignore and what I acknowledge.  Umbram   Dec-21-08 12:11 PM   #76 
           - Red herring. It's not just Tier 1 needs that are at issue here.  yardwork   Dec-21-08 12:14 PM   #79 
           - I'm not presupposing anything. I'm concluding based on the evidence of your posts.  mondo joe   Dec-21-08 12:15 PM   #82 
              - He does care. He fantasizes that we're all on crosses surrounded by Judases.  yardwork   Dec-21-08 12:16 PM   #85 
              - I assume libelous attacks are more interesting to you that a discussion? (nt)  Umbram   Dec-21-08 12:23 PM   #90 
                 - Your libelous attacks are interesting to me.  yardwork   Dec-21-08 12:25 PM   #91 
                    - There is no libel there.  Umbram   Dec-21-08 12:34 PM   #98 
              - Please, a favor.  Umbram   Dec-21-08 12:21 PM   #87 
                 - First, I didn't say anything like that, so your quote marks are dishonest.  yardwork   Dec-21-08 12:23 PM   #89 
                 - Sorry.  Umbram   Dec-21-08 12:27 PM   #93 
                    - Your words speak for themselves.  yardwork   Dec-21-08 12:32 PM   #94 
                 - Stop with the falsehoods about things I did NOT say.  mondo joe   Dec-21-08 12:27 PM   #92 
                    - Sorry  Umbram   Dec-21-08 12:33 PM   #96 
                    - Who said it was just tier 1?  yardwork   Dec-21-08 12:34 PM   #97 
                    - Tier 1 is what I took issue with  Umbram   Dec-21-08 12:37 PM   #102 
                       - As I said upthread, that's a red herring. The OP didn't say anything about tier 1 exclusively.  yardwork   Dec-21-08 12:40 PM   #105 
                          - Oh my.  Umbram   Dec-21-08 12:42 PM   #108 
                    - Your dismisiveness of the rights and lives of GLBT people is on the record.  mondo joe   Dec-21-08 12:35 PM   #99 
                       - Actually, I recant my appology.  Umbram   Dec-21-08 12:36 PM   #100 
                          - What apology?  yardwork   Dec-21-08 12:41 PM   #106 
                          - Hrm.  Umbram   Dec-21-08 12:42 PM   #109 
                             - We're sock puppets.  yardwork   Dec-21-08 12:45 PM   #113 
                                - Well, one puppet at a time maybe?  Umbram   Dec-21-08 12:47 PM   #116 
                          - I stand by whatever I said, and you can keep your faux apology. NT  mondo joe   Dec-21-08 12:45 PM   #114 
                             - I stand by "whatever I said" as well.  Umbram   Dec-21-08 12:58 PM   #125 
                    - After reading post 87  Umbram   Dec-21-08 12:39 PM   #103 
                       - I think that might be me you're talking about. I know that all queers look alike to you...  yardwork   Dec-21-08 12:41 PM   #107 
                          - You didn't post did you, but hey, any chance to personally attack me...(nt)  Umbram   Dec-21-08 12:44 PM   #112 
  - the "Fuck You, I've Got Mine" circle of jackals always show up. n/t  Donnachaidh   Dec-21-08 11:44 AM   #51 
  - I think it's more a belief that GLBT people are priviliged and need to be taken down a few notches.  mondo joe   Dec-21-08 12:17 PM   #86 
     - With the addition of the sex thing.  yardwork   Dec-21-08 12:33 PM   #95 
     - It really is. I never looked at it that way before, but it really does seem to be like that.  PelosiFan   Dec-21-08 02:34 PM   #150 
        - Actual gay bashers - violent ones - almost uniformly express resentment for gays for  mondo joe   Dec-21-08 02:49 PM   #158 
  - In fact, gay people will and do die as a result of his sort of homophobia. Enjoy  mondo joe   Dec-21-08 11:51 AM   #55 
  - Hate speech does lead to gay people being murdered.  Jamastiene   Dec-21-08 12:23 PM   #88 
  - Do you expect this to occur at  Umbram   Dec-21-08 12:49 PM   #117 
     - Yes. Legitimizing Warren's belief that gays are pedophiles and criminals does put us at risk.  PelosiFan   Dec-21-08 02:38 PM   #151 
  - Fuck you.  PelosiFan   Dec-21-08 02:32 PM   #149 
  - Warren is opposed to unmarried heterosexuals having sex too  slackmaster   Dec-21-08 12:43 PM   #111 
  - It's not just sex. I know it's hard to remember, but gay people care about other things too.  yardwork   Dec-21-08 12:47 PM   #115 
  - No one here said otherwise. But Warren says he loves gays. He is fine with gays, so long  No Elephants   Dec-21-08 12:51 PM   #119 
  - Actually, some folks on this thread have said otherwise, but not you.  yardwork   Dec-21-08 01:00 PM   #128 
  - I hear you, and I reject ALL of Warren's goofy package of religious crapola  slackmaster   Dec-21-08 12:55 PM   #122 
     - He doesn't have to have "real power" to have power. Having a world stage that legitimizes him  PelosiFan   Dec-21-08 02:42 PM   #154 
        - I would be willing to bet a substantial sum of money that he won't use that stage to promote bigotry  slackmaster   Dec-22-08 09:22 AM   #166 
  - Is he against them marrying at all?  last1standing   Dec-21-08 12:51 PM   #118 
  - He has all kinds of wacky religious beliefs that if given force of law would deny people rights  slackmaster   Dec-21-08 12:53 PM   #121 
     - Correction: He has no power over you. His "wacky religious beliefs" are the law for the GLBTers.  last1standing   Dec-21-08 12:58 PM   #126 
        - He's only one among millions of people who wrongly believe that being gay is a choice  slackmaster   Dec-21-08 01:01 PM   #129 
           - He is a megaphone for spreading the lies.  last1standing   Dec-21-08 01:09 PM   #130 
              - So did George C. Wallace for most of his political career  slackmaster   Dec-21-08 01:16 PM   #135 
                 - And the day Warren changes his tune, I'll stop attacking him.  last1standing   Dec-21-08 01:19 PM   #137 
                    - Here we have a fine example of a false dilemma and poisoning the well  slackmaster   Dec-21-08 01:22 PM   #139 
                       - I'm just not willing to continue debating whether we should work to stop him or not.  last1standing   Dec-21-08 01:27 PM   #142 
                          - I haven't tried to stop you from doing anything  slackmaster   Dec-22-08 09:21 AM   #165 
  - Huge difference. Heterosexuals can get married. And unmarried heterosexuals having sex are also  PelosiFan   Dec-21-08 02:39 PM   #152 
     - I'm not sure that's entirely correct  slackmaster   Dec-22-08 09:33 AM   #167 
  - Great way to lay out the issue. K&R  sfexpat2000   Dec-21-08 12:52 PM   #120 
  - "get over it" vs "baby, bathwater, who needs 'em??"  Taverner   Dec-21-08 12:55 PM   #123 
  - It might be slightly easier to end GLBT legal discrimination than to outlaw religion.  last1standing   Dec-21-08 01:00 PM   #127 
  - Well yeah  Taverner   Dec-21-08 01:09 PM   #131 
     - In that case, the root cause isn't religion.  last1standing   Dec-21-08 01:15 PM   #133 
        - Well religion is all about control of the people  Taverner   Dec-21-08 01:21 PM   #138 
           - As Obama would say, "That's above my paygrade".  last1standing   Dec-21-08 01:25 PM   #141 
  - Oh please. Let's not throw out the baby with the bathwater. No, let's just throw out gays.  PelosiFan   Dec-21-08 02:46 PM   #157 
  - Warren is the wrong choice, for so many reasons  amborin   Dec-21-08 02:27 PM   #147 
  - K&R  varelse   Dec-21-08 02:41 PM   #153 
  - Excellent post. Thank you, varelse.  last1standing   Dec-21-08 02:54 PM   #159 
  - Very well said, deserves its own thread. Please consider making it an OP. nt  glitch   Dec-22-08 09:33 AM   #168 
  - Wow...wonderfully written!  LeftCoast   Dec-21-08 05:07 PM   #160 
  - K&R, excellent...  AntiFascist   Dec-21-08 05:14 PM   #161 
  - I said this too.  realpolitik   Dec-21-08 05:16 PM   #162 
  - How odd, the poster "mistakenly" claims one can only have sex after marriage  nomad1776   Dec-21-08 06:06 PM   #163 
  - Nice useful graphic. Excellent argument.  Laelth   Dec-22-08 09:09 AM   #164 
  - He must have meant it in the overall continuation of the species sense  treestar   Dec-22-08 11:49 AM   #170 

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