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Sun Dec-21-08 11:35 AM
Response to Reply #44 |
| 46. It depends on what you see as useful. |
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The fight for civil rights in the 60's was useful, if inconvenient for some. The Stonewall riots were useful. The Boston Tea Party was useful. The French Revolution was useful. These fights all had a mob mentality but they ended up galvanizing the people into a focused group determined to fight for their rights.
This unorganized outrage just may be the first salvo in what becomes an organized effort. We'll just have to see.
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| -Let's just get down to the basics - according to Maslow. |
last1standing |
Dec-21-08 10:10 AM |
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While I agree on almost all points, the only thing I disagree with is... |
Dennis Donovan |
Dec-21-08 10:16 AM |
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I very much hope you are right. |
last1standing |
Dec-21-08 10:19 AM |
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VERY few people on DU say "just get over it". But the fact is, if you want to be a reptile |
cryingshame |
Dec-21-08 10:19 AM |
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You just said get over it... |
Dennis Donovan |
Dec-21-08 10:21 AM |
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No, actually. But when you can't move beyond anger everything you hear will be an insult |
cryingshame |
Dec-21-08 10:27 AM |
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This has gone far beyond anger... |
Dennis Donovan |
Dec-21-08 10:31 AM |
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Acceptable? There's no choice but "accept" it cause it's not changing. Doesn't mean I like it |
cryingshame |
Dec-21-08 10:34 AM |
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In other words "just get over it". Right? |
last1standing |
Dec-21-08 10:35 AM |
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Um, no. Because "just get over it" means FORGET ABOUT IT. Did I come close to invalidating |
cryingshame |
Dec-21-08 10:37 AM |
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Really? You seem to have no trouble invalidating them from what I'm seeing. |
last1standing |
Dec-21-08 10:39 AM |
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Well, I choose not to accept it. I choose to empathize with those who are upset about it |
Dennis Donovan |
Dec-21-08 10:47 AM |
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I don't think you're going to see her again in this thread. She's humiliated herself. |
last1standing |
Dec-21-08 11:04 AM |
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Did you see this post of hers? |
Starbucks Anarchist |
Dec-21-08 12:36 PM |
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That is seriously deranged. |
last1standing |
Dec-21-08 12:39 PM |
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Seriously deranged and yet typical. n/t |
QC |
Dec-21-08 01:34 PM |
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I read that as self-defense. |
No Elephants |
Dec-21-08 10:34 AM |
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That's because the Opening Poster didn't go on to declare how they advocate using violence |
cryingshame |
Dec-21-08 10:35 AM |
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Still no link, there? |
last1standing |
Dec-21-08 10:37 AM |
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Here's a link to your multiple posts. You don't fully express your views on using violence |
cryingshame |
Dec-21-08 10:40 AM |
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And do you realize that isn't me? Do you have trouble reading my user name? |
last1standing |
Dec-21-08 10:43 AM |
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You're real quiet all of a sudden, Cryingshame. Why is that? |
last1standing |
Dec-21-08 11:01 AM |
#38 |
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Over half an hour and still no apology? And you were so quick to attack. |
last1standing |
Dec-21-08 11:25 AM |
#43 |
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An hour and a half but still you're too cowardly to admit your mistake. |
last1standing |
Dec-21-08 12:04 PM |
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Three hours since you first slandered me with lies, cryingshame. No apology? |
last1standing |
Dec-21-08 01:23 PM |
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Four hours and you're still hiding. |
last1standing |
Dec-21-08 02:24 PM |
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Do you have a link for that accusation? |
yardwork |
Dec-21-08 11:49 AM |
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move beyond anger = get over it. |
Donnachaidh |
Dec-21-08 11:38 AM |
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Flame #1. |
last1standing |
Dec-21-08 10:21 AM |
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There's not one insult in my post. You are the one who focuses on the reptilian brain function |
cryingshame |
Dec-21-08 10:26 AM |
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And if you show me violence I WILL respond in kind. That is self protection. |
last1standing |
Dec-21-08 10:31 AM |
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Do you have a link for that accusation? That's a very serious accusation to make against someone. |
yardwork |
Dec-21-08 11:51 AM |
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Plenty of people on DU say either "Just get over it," or "Sit down and shut up," or "This is |
No Elephants |
Dec-21-08 10:31 AM |
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It's very Freepery of them. NT |
mondo joe |
Dec-21-08 10:40 AM |
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I "want to be a reptile?" |
yardwork |
Dec-21-08 11:45 AM |
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Callling someone a reptile because they have a different view is wrong |
peacetrain |
Dec-21-08 01:12 PM |
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We're being called reptiles because we're gay. |
yardwork |
Dec-21-08 01:15 PM |
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Well, then, the ability to get married will definitely frustrate the SEX satisfaction part! |
HamdenRice |
Dec-21-08 10:23 AM |
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LOL...marriage is not always that fulfilling |
Jennicut |
Dec-21-08 10:26 AM |
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Yes, all should have access to marriage, as long as all also get acess to divorce. Otherwise, it's |
No Elephants |
Dec-21-08 10:35 AM |
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Yes it is. |
Jennicut |
Dec-21-08 10:39 AM |
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Dec-21-08 11:47 AM |
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Deleted sub-thread |
Name removed |
Dec-21-08 12:05 PM |
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recommend |
xchrom |
Dec-21-08 10:23 AM |
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Really? This is about the Opening Poster advocating the use of violence to solve problems |
cryingshame |
Dec-21-08 10:31 AM |
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I notice you never provide a link to that comment. |
last1standing |
Dec-21-08 10:33 AM |
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Apparently you have a short memory. I quoted you directly. |
cryingshame |
Dec-21-08 10:41 AM |
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THATS IWANTANYDEM, NOT ME! Can't you even read a user name? |
last1standing |
Dec-21-08 10:44 AM |
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Are you drunk? That's another poster. |
yardwork |
Dec-21-08 11:52 AM |
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What is wrong with you? That is a completely different poster. |
Midlodemocrat |
Dec-21-08 02:15 PM |
#144 |
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Hatred has blurred more than just her judgment. |
last1standing |
Dec-21-08 02:43 PM |
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You dumb ass! You're quoting a completely different user. |
racaulk |
Dec-21-08 02:30 PM |
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WTF? LOL |
PelosiFan |
Dec-21-08 02:43 PM |
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FAIIIIIIIIIIL! |
Starbucks Anarchist |
Dec-22-08 09:36 AM |
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Recommend. Even if you are right about the quote, ti is not from this thread and it sounds like |
No Elephants |
Dec-21-08 10:40 AM |
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Her link leads to a different poster. She couldn't even get that right. |
last1standing |
Dec-21-08 10:45 AM |
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Meanwhile, all gays are reptiles. Who knew? |
yardwork |
Dec-21-08 11:53 AM |
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The species cannot survive without sex. Individual members of the species, |
No Elephants |
Dec-21-08 10:24 AM |
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K&R Phenomenal Post Yes ! |
Mira |
Dec-21-08 10:34 AM |
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Thanks. I was hoping it would lead to some understanding. |
last1standing |
Dec-21-08 10:36 AM |
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I agree that Sexuality is absolutely fundamental to a functional concept of Self |
patrice |
Dec-21-08 10:54 AM |
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If this event leads to a crystallization of the GLBT community to fight, then you're right. |
last1standing |
Dec-21-08 11:12 AM |
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Do we agree that there is fighting and then there is "fighting"? |
patrice |
Dec-21-08 11:31 AM |
#44 |
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It depends on what you see as useful. |
last1standing |
Dec-21-08 11:35 AM |
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I am very happy to consider things in terms of their uses, especially as that relates to Development |
patrice |
Dec-21-08 11:44 AM |
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LOL! I appreciate your interst but I don't want to get off topic here. |
last1standing |
Dec-21-08 12:05 PM |
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okay, then . . . Merry Christmas! |
patrice |
Dec-21-08 12:11 PM |
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And Happy Holidays to you. |
last1standing |
Dec-21-08 12:14 PM |
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It's a lot more than sex, of course. There's personal security, social acceptance... |
yardwork |
Dec-21-08 12:12 PM |
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That chart is upside down. |
LWolf |
Dec-21-08 10:59 AM |
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A lot of people use the inverted chart nowadays. |
last1standing |
Dec-21-08 11:03 AM |
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Moving left - |
TBF |
Dec-21-08 11:17 AM |
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Agreed. |
LWolf |
Dec-21-08 02:19 PM |
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I like the chart "upside down". I also like your application of the concept to "Democrats". nt |
patrice |
Dec-21-08 11:37 AM |
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We need to stop him from speaking or gay people will die! (nt) |
Umbram |
Dec-21-08 11:32 AM |
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How does it feel to be a fully fledge human being with all your rights intact? |
last1standing |
Dec-21-08 11:36 AM |
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Naaw. |
Umbram |
Dec-21-08 11:52 AM |
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What a shame our rights don't rise to the level you require to support us. |
last1standing |
Dec-21-08 11:56 AM |
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Of course. |
Umbram |
Dec-21-08 11:59 AM |
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You poor thing |
haruka3_2000 |
Dec-21-08 12:57 PM |
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You're missing a fascinating example of sado-religious porn. |
yardwork |
Dec-21-08 12:43 PM |
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What is always this explicit on DU |
Umbram |
Dec-21-08 01:17 PM |
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Gay people are being "literally executed" in many countries, including the U.S. |
yardwork |
Dec-21-08 12:01 PM |
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Maybe he doesn't care. |
last1standing |
Dec-21-08 12:02 PM |
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Maybe he likes it. |
yardwork |
Dec-21-08 12:04 PM |
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That is the most likely scenario. |
last1standing |
Dec-21-08 12:06 PM |
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I would bet on it. It's fairly easy to spot the sadists who enjoy sexual violence. |
yardwork |
Dec-21-08 12:09 PM |
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*rolls eyes* |
Umbram |
Dec-21-08 12:15 PM |
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Obviously. Gay kids dying is treated like a minor shame by those who enjoy their |
mondo joe |
Dec-21-08 12:05 PM |
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Lets try being honest. |
Umbram |
Dec-21-08 12:05 PM |
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By legitimizing people who equate gays with child molestors, increasing their |
mondo joe |
Dec-21-08 12:07 PM |
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I have a feeling that you know and are very pleased with it. |
yardwork |
Dec-21-08 12:07 PM |
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Fascinating. |
Umbram |
Dec-21-08 12:12 PM |
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Yes, I think that might be true. |
yardwork |
Dec-21-08 12:14 PM |
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I think you find it satisfactory. You plainly view GLBT people as privileged and |
mondo joe |
Dec-21-08 12:16 PM |
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It may be easy for you to ignore that gay teens are driven to suicide and homelessness |
mondo joe |
Dec-21-08 12:02 PM |
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You should not presuppose what I ignore and what I acknowledge. |
Umbram |
Dec-21-08 12:11 PM |
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Red herring. It's not just Tier 1 needs that are at issue here. |
yardwork |
Dec-21-08 12:14 PM |
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I'm not presupposing anything. I'm concluding based on the evidence of your posts. |
mondo joe |
Dec-21-08 12:15 PM |
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He does care. He fantasizes that we're all on crosses surrounded by Judases. |
yardwork |
Dec-21-08 12:16 PM |
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I assume libelous attacks are more interesting to you that a discussion? (nt) |
Umbram |
Dec-21-08 12:23 PM |
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Your libelous attacks are interesting to me. |
yardwork |
Dec-21-08 12:25 PM |
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There is no libel there. |
Umbram |
Dec-21-08 12:34 PM |
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Please, a favor. |
Umbram |
Dec-21-08 12:21 PM |
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First, I didn't say anything like that, so your quote marks are dishonest. |
yardwork |
Dec-21-08 12:23 PM |
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Sorry. |
Umbram |
Dec-21-08 12:27 PM |
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Your words speak for themselves. |
yardwork |
Dec-21-08 12:32 PM |
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Stop with the falsehoods about things I did NOT say. |
mondo joe |
Dec-21-08 12:27 PM |
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Sorry |
Umbram |
Dec-21-08 12:33 PM |
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Who said it was just tier 1? |
yardwork |
Dec-21-08 12:34 PM |
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Tier 1 is what I took issue with |
Umbram |
Dec-21-08 12:37 PM |
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As I said upthread, that's a red herring. The OP didn't say anything about tier 1 exclusively. |
yardwork |
Dec-21-08 12:40 PM |
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Oh my. |
Umbram |
Dec-21-08 12:42 PM |
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Your dismisiveness of the rights and lives of GLBT people is on the record. |
mondo joe |
Dec-21-08 12:35 PM |
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Actually, I recant my appology. |
Umbram |
Dec-21-08 12:36 PM |
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What apology? |
yardwork |
Dec-21-08 12:41 PM |
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Hrm. |
Umbram |
Dec-21-08 12:42 PM |
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We're sock puppets. |
yardwork |
Dec-21-08 12:45 PM |
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Well, one puppet at a time maybe? |
Umbram |
Dec-21-08 12:47 PM |
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I stand by whatever I said, and you can keep your faux apology. NT |
mondo joe |
Dec-21-08 12:45 PM |
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I stand by "whatever I said" as well. |
Umbram |
Dec-21-08 12:58 PM |
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After reading post 87 |
Umbram |
Dec-21-08 12:39 PM |
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I think that might be me you're talking about. I know that all queers look alike to you... |
yardwork |
Dec-21-08 12:41 PM |
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You didn't post #87...now did you, but hey, any chance to personally attack me...(nt) |
Umbram |
Dec-21-08 12:44 PM |
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the "Fuck You, I've Got Mine" circle of jackals always show up. n/t |
Donnachaidh |
Dec-21-08 11:44 AM |
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I think it's more a belief that GLBT people are priviliged and need to be taken down a few notches. |
mondo joe |
Dec-21-08 12:17 PM |
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With the addition of the sex thing. |
yardwork |
Dec-21-08 12:33 PM |
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It really is. I never looked at it that way before, but it really does seem to be like that. |
PelosiFan |
Dec-21-08 02:34 PM |
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Actual gay bashers - violent ones - almost uniformly express resentment for gays for |
mondo joe |
Dec-21-08 02:49 PM |
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In fact, gay people will and do die as a result of his sort of homophobia. Enjoy |
mondo joe |
Dec-21-08 11:51 AM |
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Hate speech does lead to gay people being murdered. |
Jamastiene |
Dec-21-08 12:23 PM |
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Do you expect this to occur at |
Umbram |
Dec-21-08 12:49 PM |
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Yes. Legitimizing Warren's belief that gays are pedophiles and criminals does put us at risk. |
PelosiFan |
Dec-21-08 02:38 PM |
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Fuck you. |
PelosiFan |
Dec-21-08 02:32 PM |
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Warren is opposed to unmarried heterosexuals having sex too |
slackmaster |
Dec-21-08 12:43 PM |
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It's not just sex. I know it's hard to remember, but gay people care about other things too. |
yardwork |
Dec-21-08 12:47 PM |
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No one here said otherwise. But Warren says he loves gays. He is fine with gays, so long |
No Elephants |
Dec-21-08 12:51 PM |
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Actually, some folks on this thread have said otherwise, but not you. |
yardwork |
Dec-21-08 01:00 PM |
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I hear you, and I reject ALL of Warren's goofy package of religious crapola |
slackmaster |
Dec-21-08 12:55 PM |
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He doesn't have to have "real power" to have power. Having a world stage that legitimizes him |
PelosiFan |
Dec-21-08 02:42 PM |
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I would be willing to bet a substantial sum of money that he won't use that stage to promote bigotry |
slackmaster |
Dec-22-08 09:22 AM |
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Is he against them marrying at all? |
last1standing |
Dec-21-08 12:51 PM |
#118 |
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He has all kinds of wacky religious beliefs that if given force of law would deny people rights |
slackmaster |
Dec-21-08 12:53 PM |
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Correction: He has no power over you. His "wacky religious beliefs" are the law for the GLBTers. |
last1standing |
Dec-21-08 12:58 PM |
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He's only one among millions of people who wrongly believe that being gay is a choice |
slackmaster |
Dec-21-08 01:01 PM |
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He is a megaphone for spreading the lies. |
last1standing |
Dec-21-08 01:09 PM |
#130 |
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So did George C. Wallace for most of his political career |
slackmaster |
Dec-21-08 01:16 PM |
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And the day Warren changes his tune, I'll stop attacking him. |
last1standing |
Dec-21-08 01:19 PM |
#137 |
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Here we have a fine example of a false dilemma and poisoning the well |
slackmaster |
Dec-21-08 01:22 PM |
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I'm just not willing to continue debating whether we should work to stop him or not. |
last1standing |
Dec-21-08 01:27 PM |
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I haven't tried to stop you from doing anything |
slackmaster |
Dec-22-08 09:21 AM |
#165 |
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Huge difference. Heterosexuals can get married. And unmarried heterosexuals having sex are also |
PelosiFan |
Dec-21-08 02:39 PM |
#152 |
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I'm not sure that's entirely correct |
slackmaster |
Dec-22-08 09:33 AM |
#167 |
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Great way to lay out the issue. K&R |
sfexpat2000 |
Dec-21-08 12:52 PM |
#120 |
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"get over it" vs "baby, bathwater, who needs 'em??" |
Taverner |
Dec-21-08 12:55 PM |
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It might be slightly easier to end GLBT legal discrimination than to outlaw religion. |
last1standing |
Dec-21-08 01:00 PM |
#127 |
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Well yeah |
Taverner |
Dec-21-08 01:09 PM |
#131 |
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In that case, the root cause isn't religion. |
last1standing |
Dec-21-08 01:15 PM |
#133 |
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Well religion is all about control of the people |
Taverner |
Dec-21-08 01:21 PM |
#138 |
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As Obama would say, "That's above my paygrade". |
last1standing |
Dec-21-08 01:25 PM |
#141 |
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Oh please. Let's not throw out the baby with the bathwater. No, let's just throw out gays. |
PelosiFan |
Dec-21-08 02:46 PM |
#157 |
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Warren is the wrong choice, for so many reasons |
amborin |
Dec-21-08 02:27 PM |
#147 |
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K&R |
varelse |
Dec-21-08 02:41 PM |
#153 |
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Excellent post. Thank you, varelse. |
last1standing |
Dec-21-08 02:54 PM |
#159 |
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Very well said, deserves its own thread. Please consider making it an OP. nt |
glitch |
Dec-22-08 09:33 AM |
#168 |
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Wow...wonderfully written! |
LeftCoast |
Dec-21-08 05:07 PM |
#160 |
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K&R, excellent... |
AntiFascist |
Dec-21-08 05:14 PM |
#161 |
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I said this too. |
realpolitik |
Dec-21-08 05:16 PM |
#162 |
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How odd, the poster "mistakenly" claims one can only have sex after marriage |
nomad1776 |
Dec-21-08 06:06 PM |
#163 |
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Nice useful graphic. Excellent argument. |
Laelth |
Dec-22-08 09:09 AM |
#164 |
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He must have meant it in the overall continuation of the species sense |
treestar |
Dec-22-08 11:49 AM |
#170 |
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