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Hippo_Tron Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Dec-20-08 03:26 AM
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17. Don't Ask Don't Tell is arguably worse than what was in place before
Edited on Sat Dec-20-08 03:31 AM by Hippo_Tron
Because it actually codified the discrimination into law. Before, the only thing banning gays in the military was a decision by the Pentagon (which was notoriously relaxed during wartime). I suppose the "Don't Ask" part of the law was a step forward except for the fact that it's notoriously disobeyed anyway.

Clinton wound up signing the thing because he knew that having not served in the military himself, he couldn't win a public opinion war against the military and Sam Nunn who were pushing congress to codify the ban on gays in the military into law (should Clinton try to repeal it by executive order). Now that it's 2008 and not 1993, Obama would be able to sign such an Executive Order with little backlash. Congress certainly would not even consider codifying the ban into law at this point and many military leaders have also changed their views. But now Obama can't issue an executive order he actually has to get DADT repealed and that is subject to a GOP filibuster in the Senate.

But Clinton's decision to plunge into the gays in the military issue had little to do with anybody pushing him there. It was because he failed to appoint his senior staff until the very last minute and made the decision without consulting anybody who could explain to him that he couldn't just issue the executive order without fear of a congressional backlash.
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  -Didn't Clinton start out right away with a gay rights issue that backfired? pending  Dec-20-08 02:42 AM   #0 
  - He sure did.  elleng   Dec-20-08 02:46 AM   #1 
  - reaching out to the middle? bwaaahahahaaha. nt.  IndianaJones   Dec-20-08 02:46 AM   #2 
  - The middle of what?! He hasn't asked for Obama's birth certificate  sfexpat2000   Dec-20-08 02:51 AM   #3 
  - The political spectrum.  pending   Dec-20-08 03:01 AM   #6 
     - Warren can't even see the middle from where he sits.  sfexpat2000   Dec-20-08 03:10 AM   #9 
        - I have not watched the videos  pending   Dec-20-08 03:23 AM   #15 
           - the results are a slap in the face to a group who  mitchtv   Dec-20-08 05:28 AM   #24 
           - The promotion of Warren in this way has already had the practical result  sfexpat2000   Dec-20-08 10:45 AM   #32 
  - Result of act first, think later on behalf some GBLT folks: Don't ask, don't tell.  kickysnana   Dec-20-08 02:57 AM   #4 
  - Learn from mistakes?  WillBowden   Dec-20-08 03:10 AM   #10 
  - Many people against Gay Marriage voted for Obama too  Cattledog   Dec-20-08 04:37 AM   #21 
  - Um, Obama waltzed out into the minefield all on his own.  sfexpat2000   Dec-20-08 03:12 AM   #11 
  - What?  MPK   Dec-20-08 03:16 AM   #12 
  - Maybe it's because we have the audacity  DarkTirade   Dec-20-08 09:15 AM   #31 
  - Sure....we were asking for it. We deserved it. Riiiight...  Jamastiene   Dec-20-08 03:23 AM   #14 
  - Don't Ask Don't Tell is arguably worse than what was in place before  Hippo_Tron   Dec-20-08 03:26 AM   #17 
  - That was a Clinton mistake not a mistake of the GLBT community  nichomachus   Dec-20-08 04:42 AM   #22 
  - Why are you blaming the gay  pecwae   Dec-20-08 05:35 AM   #25 
  - He's wrong  sandnsea   Dec-20-08 03:00 AM   #5 
  - Perhaps.  pending   Dec-20-08 03:02 AM   #7 
     - Whyever not?  WillBowden   Dec-20-08 03:08 AM   #8 
        - Because then you lose the war as opposed to the battle  pending   Dec-20-08 03:19 AM   #13 
           - *Sigh*  WillBowden   Dec-20-08 03:25 AM   #16 
              - No. Please don't overplay what I wrote  pending   Dec-20-08 03:36 AM   #18 
                 - He did not earn my vote...  WillBowden   Dec-20-08 03:44 AM   #19 
  - And he went from there to DOMA. He never did stop fucking over GLBT people.  LeftyMom   Dec-20-08 04:02 AM   #20 
  - The middle!  cboy4   Dec-20-08 04:43 AM   #23 
  - Is a Clinton the PE now?  pecwae   Dec-20-08 05:36 AM   #26 
  - He hasn't given me shit  mitchtv   Dec-20-08 05:37 AM   #27 
  - Point of information: It happened a little differently  HamdenRice   Dec-20-08 08:13 AM   #28 
  - "...the greatest 8 years our nation has known...."  alcibiades_mystery   Dec-20-08 08:29 AM   #29 
  - Clinton didn't make DADT right out of the gate, it was a compromise after he was in office.  PelosiFan   Dec-20-08 08:49 AM   #30 
 

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