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Bucky Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Dec-18-08 06:35 PM
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19. So straw man would be "If you object to the Warren selection, you're bashing Obama", right?
I'm seeing a lot of that here. All criticism is "bashing". And then all bashing is hating.
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  -What Is and Isn't a Strawman BullGooseLoony  Dec-18-08 06:04 PM   #0 
  - If I were to say that Warren is just as bad as members of Aryan Nations...  Solon   Dec-18-08 06:08 PM   #1 
  - No, not a strawman. nt  BullGooseLoony   Dec-18-08 06:15 PM   #4 
  - It would be hyperbole  Cronus Protagonist   Dec-18-08 06:17 PM   #5 
     - I'd say it's not a strawman because while it interprets Obama's actions  BullGooseLoony   Dec-18-08 06:21 PM   #7 
        - Obama himself has said he's interested in "reaching across the aisle"...  Solon   Dec-18-08 06:23 PM   #9 
           - ...Not sure I understand your point.  BullGooseLoony   Dec-18-08 06:28 PM   #12 
           - No, what I'm saying is my contention that he coddles homophobes is his action...  Solon   Dec-18-08 06:33 PM   #16 
              - It all depends on whether you're saying that he is saying these things  BullGooseLoony   Dec-18-08 06:37 PM   #22 
                 - Tolerating homophobia is an attitude, and as you said it was vague...  Solon   Dec-18-08 06:42 PM   #25 
                    - LOL you're trying to start an argument with me and all I'm trying to talk  BullGooseLoony   Dec-18-08 06:46 PM   #27 
           - That's a Red Herring  slackmaster   Dec-18-08 07:02 PM   #32 
  - So, when is a Red Herring not a Stalking Horse?  TomInTib   Dec-18-08 06:11 PM   #2 
  - When the stalking horse is being ridden by a True Scotsman  slackmaster   Dec-18-08 06:27 PM   #11 
     - A true Scotsman would never lead anyone to a poisoned well  Cronus Protagonist   Dec-18-08 07:00 PM   #31 
  - Good luck getting people to understand THAT!!11  Cronus Protagonist   Dec-18-08 06:14 PM   #3 
  - don't tell me your going to start picking on people for there spelling to!  Bucky   Dec-18-08 06:36 PM   #21 
  - Here is a real strawman  grantcart   Dec-18-08 06:19 PM   #6 
  - So, if someone says they don't like Obama's choice of Warren,  truth2power   Dec-18-08 06:23 PM   #8 
  - No, that's a false dichotomy.  BullGooseLoony   Dec-18-08 06:25 PM   #10 
     - Ok. I understand the false dichotomy. But, re: some of your other  truth2power   Dec-18-08 07:09 PM   #33 
        - Right, but keep in mind that when you speak of "exaggerating Obama's position"  BullGooseLoony   Dec-18-08 07:31 PM   #36 
           - Thank you. That's what I was looking for. Responding to my  truth2power   Dec-18-08 08:53 PM   #37 
  - Ye Gods, this is getting out of hand. Nit-picking over the definition of strawman?  Odin2005   Dec-18-08 06:29 PM   #13 
  - You post is a red herring.  Bucky   Dec-18-08 06:32 PM   #15 
  - No. It's a triangulation  Truth Hurts A Lot   Dec-18-08 08:56 PM   #38 
  - I think just discussing it is what's happening.  Lex   Dec-18-08 06:33 PM   #17 
  - Please, Odin, I'm trying to figure this out. Thanks. n/t  truth2power   Dec-18-08 06:44 PM   # 
  - By discussing the meaning of "logical fallacy", they're basically endorsing PNAC's agenda  Bucky   Dec-18-08 06:59 PM   #30 
  - Exaggeration of your opponent's position to something ludicrious  Lex   Dec-18-08 06:31 PM   #14 
  - oy. nt  Jim4Wes   Dec-18-08 06:34 PM   #18 
  - yo. nt  Lex   Dec-18-08 06:35 PM   #20 
  - That's right- and implicit or explicit in that is the representation of what one  BullGooseLoony   Dec-18-08 06:40 PM   #24 
  - I think I was confused, upthread, about who the "opponent" is. ..  truth2power   Dec-18-08 07:22 PM   #35 
  - So straw man would be "If you object to the Warren selection, you're bashing Obama", right?  Bucky   Dec-18-08 06:35 PM   #19 
  - Mmmm...I see what you're saying there, but  BullGooseLoony   Dec-18-08 06:44 PM   #26 
     - What about the phrase Obama hater, which was used in a subject line here?  Bucky   Dec-18-08 06:56 PM   #28 
        - Right, exactly, I see what you're saying and it's difficult to pin down but  BullGooseLoony   Dec-18-08 07:13 PM   #34 
  - For a live lesson on the Straw Man, listen to Hannity for 3 hours  Gman   Dec-18-08 06:40 PM   #23 
     - I loved this response. nt  Jim4Wes   Dec-18-08 06:57 PM   #29 
 

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