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198. I absolutely understand what you mean and I also understand what
nichomachus means too. It is a slippery slope and we are fighting among ourselves (big surprise). I do think we desperately need to reach across the aisle and heal this polarized country before it implodes from the anger and hate. I just don't think that this choice was well considered. It seems to me that this inaugural is a celebration between people that struggled together to bring to fruition this historical event. It should be our party (and anyone else willing to drop the bigotry and hate and wade in), but the selection of Rick Warren casts a pall on it and to quote some CNN commentator ( she was right on the other night talking to Anderson), Obama just doesn't get it. It is a matter of respect and integrity. There are many pastors out there that walk a fine line of moderation and any one of them would have been a better choice. I am willing to bet that MOST of the congregation of Rick Warrens voted for McCain and I don't think this should be rewarded so resoundingly. Open up a dialog-fine, just don't make us feel like we are second class citizens one more time (and this is exactly what the words and beliefs of Rick Warren and his church are doing when they denigrate us as human beings).
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  -I am gay and I'm not upset about Rick Warren. (Warning: Long and Rambling. Apologies in advance.) Lucky 13  Dec-18-08 02:22 PM   #0 
  - thank you.  jakem   Dec-18-08 02:24 PM   #1 
  - uh, check the front page. They have decided to pursue invalidating  roguevalley   Dec-19-08 09:31 PM   #202 
     - That is the actually tragedy  Gore1FL   Dec-20-08 12:35 AM   #204 
  - Nice post...  scheming daemons   Dec-18-08 02:25 PM   #2 
  - Nice?? This thing needs to be PINNED to the top of GD-P until the inauguration  Number23   Dec-18-08 11:42 PM   #122 
     - completely agree!  surfinshell   Dec-19-08 04:50 PM   #179 
  - To the greatest page with you  Uzybone   Dec-18-08 02:26 PM   #3 
  - Thanks.  Lucky 13   Dec-18-08 02:59 PM   #27 
  - You are welcome to believe as you see fit...  WillBowden   Dec-18-08 02:26 PM   #4 
  - As I said, I respect your opinion and perspective and understand completely the anger...  Lucky 13   Dec-18-08 02:32 PM   #13 
  - Do you understand that Obama is for gay rights, and that Warren is a person O knows,  lenegal   Dec-19-08 06:24 PM   #194 
     - Obama does not agree with Rick Warren's views. Yes, he does.  MNBrewer   Dec-20-08 12:42 AM   #206 
     - I'll tell you the same thing I've told others...  WillBowden   Dec-20-08 09:33 AM   #210 
  - Let me guess  nichomachus   Dec-18-08 02:27 PM   #5 
  - your problem, and DU'ers like you, is your erroneous assumption we want to tacitly accept things  cryingshame   Dec-18-08 02:29 PM   #9 
  - No, right now, my problem  nichomachus   Dec-18-08 02:31 PM   #11 
  - Well that's about the worst thing you could have said to me.  Lucky 13   Dec-18-08 02:39 PM   #18 
  - Well, the worst thing anyone said to me recently was  nichomachus   Dec-18-08 02:47 PM   #22 
  - I certainly see you view point and you have every right to be angry.  Lucky 13   Dec-18-08 03:09 PM   #34 
  - If Obama wanted to show how inclusive he was  nichomachus   Dec-18-08 03:18 PM   #36 
  - except atheists.  uncle ray   Dec-19-08 01:08 PM   #163 
  - I absolutely understand what you mean and I also understand what  jhrobbins   Dec-19-08 07:08 PM   #198 
  - Totally agree with your thoughts. It's not a "little thing".  trickyguy   Dec-19-08 11:37 PM   #203 
  - Well you probably knew it was coming  dmallind   Dec-19-08 12:46 PM   #158 
     - All gay people don't share one brain.  Lucky 13   Dec-19-08 05:03 PM   #182 
  - What a loasthsome response.  Elrond Hubbard   Dec-18-08 04:36 PM   #97 
  - Agreed and Well Said.  Sherman A1   Dec-19-08 04:56 PM   #181 
  - C'mon, way cheap shot there, nicho.  Ken Burch   Dec-18-08 07:38 PM   #117 
  - Great Post! n/t  firedupdem   Dec-18-08 02:27 PM   #6 
  - Oh Captain, my captain...  anigbrowl   Dec-18-08 02:27 PM   #7 
  - Great post, really interesting perspective - thank you. n/t  Jackeens_for_Obama   Dec-18-08 02:29 PM   #8 
  - You are a rare, beautiful and wise person.  cali   Dec-18-08 02:29 PM   #10 
  - I agree! I was about to say the same thing, almost verbatim....  timeforarevolution   Dec-19-08 06:10 PM   #188 
  - a BIG K&R! nt  druidity33   Dec-18-08 02:32 PM   #12 
  - With respect, I believe you're too close to the problem.  Harvey Korman   Dec-18-08 02:34 PM   #14 
  - the self loathers aren't just in the republican party any more. nt  jonnyblitz   Dec-18-08 02:45 PM   #20 
  - No self-loathing here....  Lucky 13   Dec-18-08 04:22 PM   #93 
  - Excuse me but fuck that ignorant shit.  Terran   Dec-18-08 04:49 PM   #103 
  - Deleted message  Name removed   Dec-18-08 11:57 PM   #125 
  - Niether are self-righteous fuckheads.  Political Heretic   Dec-19-08 11:27 AM   #148 
  - I disagree. Evangelicals have no power to oppress us.  Lucky 13   Dec-18-08 02:45 PM   #21 
  - Oh, but you are so wrong.  Harvey Korman   Dec-18-08 02:48 PM   #23 
  - Did You Even SEE a Newspaper on Nov 5th?  Toasterlad   Dec-18-08 03:01 PM   #29 
  - I have not "embraced" Warren. I am just not livid about it.  Lucky 13   Dec-18-08 03:31 PM   #44 
  - When all else was lost you turned to the GLB T community to help  mrone2   Dec-18-08 03:52 PM   #78 
     - My solidarity with the GLBT community is unwaivering...  Lucky 13   Dec-18-08 04:26 PM   #94 
        - There is a major difference  Ms. Toad   Dec-19-08 11:22 AM   #145 
  - Dupe  RoadRage   Dec-18-08 02:58 PM   #26 
  - With all due respect, I think the people on the OTHER side of this issue are too close...  Vash the Stampede   Dec-18-08 03:23 PM   #39 
     - I empathize with those who support my community  Harvey Korman   Dec-18-08 03:28 PM   #42 
        - Correct.  Neshanic   Dec-18-08 03:34 PM   #46 
        - Are we going to resort to McCarthyism then?  Vash the Stampede   Dec-18-08 03:37 PM   #53 
           - Well me and my gay buddy at the mini mart are two.  Neshanic   Dec-18-08 03:39 PM   #61 
           - What the hell does this have to do with McCarthyism?  Harvey Korman   Dec-18-08 03:49 PM   #73 
              - It came into play when you start naming people your enemy "whether they know it or not"  Vash the Stampede   Dec-18-08 03:53 PM   #80 
              - I didn't declare her the enemy.  Harvey Korman   Dec-18-08 03:54 PM   #84 
              - cool, vote republican, see where that gets you.  dionysus   Dec-18-08 03:53 PM   #81 
              - You go! What he said.  Neshanic   Dec-18-08 03:55 PM   #85 
  - Excellent Post!  JimGinPA   Dec-18-08 02:35 PM   #15 
  - Thank you  supernova   Dec-18-08 02:36 PM   # 
  - Dupe  supernova   Dec-18-08 02:36 PM   #16 
  - Beautiful, just beautiful.  JenniferZ   Dec-18-08 02:38 PM   #17 
  - Deleted sub-thread  Name removed   Dec-18-08 02:41 PM   #19 
  - It would be nice if he didn't choose someone who hates and villifies gay people.  PelosiFan   Dec-18-08 02:49 PM   #24 
  - Good post!  butterfly77   Dec-18-08 02:52 PM   #25 
  - What a completely FANTASTIC POST. TOTAL K&R  RoadRage   Dec-18-08 02:59 PM   #28 
  - I think that one problem people may have with this...  AntiFascist   Dec-18-08 03:02 PM   #30 
  - I think it is naive to think that the Rick Warren type are willing to negotiate, he will use this...  Ioo   Dec-18-08 03:03 PM   #31 
  - I appriciate your reasoned consideration of the situation.  SidneyCarton   Dec-18-08 03:04 PM   #32 
  - Rec  dionysus   Dec-18-08 03:06 PM   #33 
  - You make mention of "evil" and "wrong".  Neshanic   Dec-18-08 03:14 PM   #35 
  - I knew there was something I liked about you.  ClarkUSA   Dec-18-08 03:19 PM   #37 
  - Word up.  Lucky 13   Dec-18-08 03:39 PM   #58 
  - I'm gay & I don't even want to watch the inauguration. I feel like I have been slapped in the face.  Bluebear   Dec-18-08 03:20 PM   #38 
  - This is the official cover post. It's tricky in here.  Neshanic   Dec-18-08 03:31 PM   #45 
  - I can't believe he did this.  jaredh   Dec-18-08 03:38 PM   # 
  - Personal stories like yours are what helps change peoples minds  Uzybone   Dec-18-08 03:25 PM   #40 
  - No personal stories give "blinder Democrats" cover, which you will cling to.  Neshanic   Dec-18-08 03:30 PM   #43 
     - Neshanic? If someone doesn't spew as much venom as you does that make them your enemy? n/t  Jackeens_for_Obama   Dec-18-08 03:34 PM   #47 
     - Pissy gay me.  Neshanic   Dec-18-08 03:37 PM   #54 
        - Na, just a pissy poster ;-)  Jackeens_for_Obama   Dec-18-08 03:38 PM   #56 
        - you instantly lose when you start to insinuate that everyone who disagrees with you is anti-gay.  dionysus   Dec-18-08 03:48 PM   #71 
           - Yes. Especially when he starts accusing gay democrats of being anti-gay....  Lucky 13   Dec-18-08 03:52 PM   #79 
              - I am going to let this one slide, as you OP are very confused.  Neshanic   Dec-18-08 04:09 PM   #91 
                 - You do condescension as well as vitriol? Well done Neshanic, you're multi-talented.  Jackeens_for_Obama   Dec-18-08 04:39 PM   #99 
                 - you're lucky the mods are letting your flamebaiting ass slide.  dionysus   Dec-18-08 06:45 PM   #111 
     - Looks like we found a nomination for DU's official shit-stirrer  hnmnf   Dec-18-08 03:34 PM   #48 
     - That was realized long ago.  Neshanic   Dec-18-08 03:38 PM   #55 
        - At least you admit it that you're just stirring the shit.  hnmnf   Dec-18-08 03:39 PM   #59 
           - Not really. Gays have been used in many ways, this poster is  Neshanic   Dec-18-08 03:41 PM   #62 
              - I say looks like we found DU's shit-stirrer, you say thats been realized long ago  hnmnf   Dec-18-08 03:43 PM   #65 
                 - Yes, messy rights wanting shit flinger.  Neshanic   Dec-18-08 03:54 PM   #83 
     - What do you mean by blinder democrats?  Uzybone   Dec-18-08 03:35 PM   #50 
     - I'm beginning  shellgame26   Dec-20-08 06:19 AM   #208 
     - Yes! Bloodlet the masses!  Vash the Stampede   Dec-18-08 03:39 PM   #60 
  - Sanity amidst the insane...thank you  ramapo   Dec-18-08 03:25 PM   #41 
  - I appreciate your viewpoint.  jaredh   Dec-18-08 03:35 PM   #49 
  - Wow! One of the most breathtakingly cogent and beautiful posts ever! nt  HamdenRice   Dec-18-08 03:36 PM   #51 
  - What he said! n/t  watrwefitinfor   Dec-19-08 08:08 AM   #130 
  - Well said. Everyone doing battle on the board should take the time to read this.  PeterU   Dec-18-08 03:36 PM   #52 
  - Great cover.  Neshanic   Dec-18-08 03:38 PM   #57 
  - So if someone has an opinion different from yours or a story that doesn't work for you...  Lucky 13   Dec-18-08 03:43 PM   #64 
  - Again, only you know what you want to take away from what you  Neshanic   Dec-18-08 03:52 PM   #77 
  - you are being a giant, giant tool over this. lucky made a great post and you're doing your damnest  dionysus   Dec-18-08 03:45 PM   #67 
  - Deleted message  Name removed   Dec-18-08 03:51 PM   #74 
     - rofl  dionysus   Dec-18-08 03:51 PM   #75 
     - Holy shit that's a great post!  Vash the Stampede   Dec-18-08 03:56 PM   #86 
     - Magnificent!!!  Jackeens_for_Obama   Dec-18-08 04:39 PM   #100 
     - You win the thread.  Alexander   Dec-18-08 06:47 PM   #112 
     - since i'm a woman..  RoadRage   Dec-18-08 10:41 PM   #121 
  - You should start some more threads  sniffa   Dec-20-08 12:44 PM   #220 
  - Yeah, you people really love to use insecure, abused LGBT people don't you?  readmoreoften   Dec-19-08 03:21 PM   #172 
  - "Pro-abortion?" Are you SERIOUS?  oktoberain   Dec-18-08 03:42 PM   #63 
  - Yup. RW Speak  LostinVA   Dec-18-08 03:44 PM   #66 
  - And watch them fawn all over him, completely skipping over that part.  oktoberain   Dec-18-08 03:47 PM   #70 
     - Please see my post below clarifying...  Lucky 13   Dec-18-08 03:58 PM   #89 
     - Oh, BTW I'm a "her" not a "him"...  Lucky 13   Dec-18-08 05:01 PM   #104 
  - You didn't know?  Uzybone   Dec-18-08 03:46 PM   #69 
  - Evangelicals don't say "Pro-choice", they say "pro-abortion"  Lucky 13   Dec-18-08 03:57 PM   #87 
     - Hmmm.  oktoberain   Dec-18-08 04:02 PM   #90 
        - Many apologies.  Lucky 13   Dec-18-08 04:17 PM   #92 
  - Imagine if Rick Warren wanted to take away rights from any other minority group..  damkira   Dec-18-08 03:46 PM   #68 
  - The OP did not defend Warren in the least. Please read.  scheming daemons   Dec-18-08 03:52 PM   #76 
  - No one HERE has defended Warren all day  alwysdrunk   Dec-18-08 03:54 PM   #82 
  - Never defended him in the least.  Lucky 13   Dec-18-08 04:34 PM   #96 
  - I really appreciate your perspective.  liberalpress   Dec-19-08 08:46 AM   #132 
  - OMG, I agree with you damkira!  readmoreoften   Dec-19-08 03:22 PM   #173 
  - Excellent post  alwysdrunk   Dec-18-08 03:49 PM   #72 
  - Absolutely outstanding  Nightjock   Dec-18-08 03:57 PM   #88 
  - I wanted to dislike your post  3dogday   Dec-18-08 04:32 PM   #95 
  - You and I will be sitting in silence "together".  Lucky 13   Dec-18-08 04:38 PM   #98 
  - Very moving and thoughtful post. Thank you.  Elrond Hubbard   Dec-18-08 04:40 PM   #101 
  - Convert or Die  quakerboy   Dec-18-08 04:43 PM   #102 
  - K & 50th R  Odin2005   Dec-18-08 05:03 PM   #105 
  - What a fantastic, well worded and moving post. Thank you for sharing your perspective with us, Lucky  Sorceress   Dec-18-08 05:31 PM   #106 
  - "I don't believe Rick Warren is an evil man... " Here's the problem  ProSense   Dec-18-08 06:04 PM   #107 
  - Me too  spiritual_gunfighter   Dec-19-08 01:01 PM   #162 
  - Great post.  Sophree   Dec-18-08 06:08 PM   #108 
  - Me either.  cwydro   Dec-18-08 06:23 PM   #109 
  - Then again, the people(other than the OP here, whom I exempt from what I'm about to say)  Ken Burch   Dec-18-08 07:41 PM   #118 
  - Well spoken, especially point 1). He's trying to bring America together.  HypnoToad   Dec-18-08 06:28 PM   #110 
  - please do not post about your sex life anymore...  FarceOfNature   Dec-18-08 07:11 PM   #115 
  - You make excellent points, Good read..  Phx_Dem   Dec-18-08 06:55 PM   #113 
  - Probably the most profound and heartfelt post I've ever read on DU.  kayakjohnny   Dec-18-08 07:01 PM   #114 
  - Lucky 13 thank you  MadMaddie   Dec-18-08 07:30 PM   #116 
  - I have one question for you...  1776Forever   Dec-18-08 08:25 PM   #119 
  - He's not who I would have chosen either...  Lucky 13   Dec-19-08 10:42 AM   #139 
  - Well reasoned.  bagimin   Dec-18-08 09:19 PM   #120 
  - Lucky, thank you for sharing your story  davidpdx   Dec-18-08 11:52 PM   #123 
  - This is good stuff. It is real. Thanks.  kwenu   Dec-18-08 11:56 PM   #124 
  - Don't try to join Warren's church. You are expressly NOT allowed to join.  Bluebear   Dec-18-08 11:57 PM   #126 
  - Um, no danger of me trying to join Warren's church.  Lucky 13   Dec-19-08 11:05 AM   #143 
  - I don't agree with you, but this is a brilliant post worthy of K&R eom  boppers   Dec-18-08 11:59 PM   #127 
  - Thank you for saying what I've been thinking!  ObamaVision   Dec-19-08 01:25 AM   #128 
  - Excluding evangelicals is not equivalent to them wanting to exclude you, though.  Qibing Zero   Dec-19-08 01:33 AM   #129 
  - K&R  Autonomy   Dec-19-08 08:41 AM   #131 
  - Bravo for allowing me to see it in a new light  goclark   Dec-19-08 09:15 AM   #133 
  - It is the only way.  Lucky 13   Dec-19-08 10:38 AM   #138 
     - I agree with you so much  goclark   Dec-20-08 10:31 AM   #213 
  - Very thoughtful OP  Spazito   Dec-19-08 09:30 AM   #134 
  - You sound like my cousin  shrike   Dec-19-08 09:45 AM   #135 
  - great post!  marimour   Dec-19-08 10:10 AM   #136 
  - I'm gay and don't have a problem with it either. Thanks for the post!  beyurslf   Dec-19-08 10:30 AM   #137 
  - Interesting take on the Warren pick ...  Kweli4Real   Dec-19-08 10:48 AM   #140 
  - Your last sentence sums up my sentiments exactly.  Lucky 13   Dec-19-08 10:49 AM   #141 
  - Yours and GoClark's posts made me smile  Number23   Dec-19-08 05:20 PM   #186 
  - I agree with your point of view, but...  Still Sensible   Dec-19-08 10:51 AM   #142 
  - i agree  pc1971   Dec-19-08 11:06 AM   #144 
  - You've restored a small amount of my faith in the value of DU - thank you.  Political Heretic   Dec-19-08 11:24 AM   #146 
  - I was hoping someone had the guts to post something like this  slackmaster   Dec-19-08 11:26 AM   #147 
  - thank for the great post  CitizenPatriot   Dec-19-08 11:41 AM   #149 
  - Deleted sub-thread  Name removed   Dec-19-08 11:49 AM   #150 
  - Wonderful, wonderful post. Thank you!  ncgrits   Dec-19-08 11:49 AM   #151 
  - Wonderful post!  Utopian Leftist   Dec-19-08 12:00 PM   #152 
  - Exactly.  Lucky 13   Dec-19-08 12:18 PM   #153 
  - thank you for YOUR perspective.  pansypoo53219   Dec-19-08 12:29 PM   #154 
  - stellar stellar STELLAR post!  BlancheSplanchnik   Dec-19-08 12:29 PM   #155 
  - thank you for your post.  sweets   Dec-19-08 12:38 PM   #156 
  - I used to have a  deaniac21   Dec-19-08 12:45 PM   #157 
  - DEAD ON. Excellent. And thank you.  bevoette   Dec-19-08 12:46 PM   #159 
  - Agreed.  nothingtoofear   Dec-19-08 12:53 PM   #160 
  - Thank you for this meaningful post. (nt)  Umbram   Dec-19-08 12:58 PM   #161 
  - Thanks for your post, Lucky 13~  zidzi   Dec-19-08 01:08 PM   #164 
  - Beautiful! You are right! It is up to us to show compassion to those who need it...  McCamy Taylor   Dec-19-08 01:25 PM   #165 
  - Thank you  quiller4   Dec-19-08 01:39 PM   #166 
  - BEST POST IN GDP FOR DAYS!!!!  snooper2   Dec-19-08 01:42 PM   #167 
  - I believe you have a most healthy and wise perspective.  Uncle Joe   Dec-19-08 01:46 PM   #168 
  - What you don't get is that the fundies will NEVER EVER accept gays. What Obama is doing is giving  TheGoldenRule   Dec-19-08 01:58 PM   #169 
  - I really appreciate your post, I think everyone should read this as well  Col Jack D Ripper   Dec-19-08 02:06 PM   #170 
  - Sorry, but I don't forgive your family in their attacks on us.  readmoreoften   Dec-19-08 03:20 PM   #171 
  - Interestingly, and  FlaGranny   Dec-20-08 11:03 AM   #215 
  - Right or wrong on the issue be what it may, this is a magnificent post  dbmk   Dec-19-08 03:30 PM   #174 
  - K&R, not only because I couldn't agree more, but....  ImForGore   Dec-19-08 03:44 PM   #175 
  - Ugh. I hate the "rec this post" thing...  Lucky 13   Dec-19-08 04:50 PM   #180 
     - And on another level you are being used by people that say they really care.  Neshanic   Dec-19-08 05:11 PM   #184 
        - "token gay"? Go fuck yourself.  Lucky 13   Dec-19-08 06:21 PM   #193 
           - You do not deserve response.  Neshanic   Dec-19-08 06:30 PM   #195 
  - This is the most disgusting display of using someone that borders on the obscene.  Neshanic   Dec-19-08 04:28 PM   #176 
  - Barack Obama has hurt me deeply  pollo poco   Dec-19-08 04:34 PM   #177 
  - excellent post!  Douglas Carpenter   Dec-19-08 04:38 PM   #178 
  - Deleted message  Name removed   Dec-19-08 05:07 PM   #183 
  - There's still no excuse for religion participating in government  Juniperx   Dec-19-08 05:11 PM   #185 
  - I don't want a prayer at the beginning either! and it would solve this problem.  Lucky 13   Dec-19-08 06:48 PM   #197 
  - Nice Post  Geek_Girl   Dec-19-08 05:33 PM   #187 
  - Prop 8 supporters now seek to nullify 18,000 marriages:  Bluebear   Dec-19-08 06:11 PM   #189 
  - Oh now don't get all in a hissy fit.  ronnykmarshall   Dec-19-08 06:13 PM   #190 
  - Don't rain on their orgy of love and back slapping.  Neshanic   Dec-19-08 06:14 PM   #191 
  - Bravo....  quickesst   Dec-19-08 06:19 PM   #192 
  - I appreciate you sharing that here  JerseygirlCT   Dec-19-08 06:39 PM   #196 
  - I lost sleep last night trying to come up with a way to say this, thanks so much for writing it, if  SaveAmerica   Dec-19-08 08:12 PM   #199 
  - Warren doesn't allow  LatteLibertine   Dec-19-08 08:43 PM   #200 
  - I agree. Thank you so much for that excellent post. nt  DeschutesRiver   Dec-19-08 08:51 PM   #201 
  - Brave post.  whoneedstickets   Dec-20-08 12:37 AM   #205 
  - Point 3 is a pretty significant punch in the gut.  antiwarwarrior   Dec-20-08 12:49 AM   #207 
  - great post!  DrDan   Dec-20-08 07:11 AM   #209 
  - Deleted message  Name removed   Dec-20-08 10:09 AM   #211 
  - I'm defending nothing. Just explaining why I'm not boiling with anger.  Lucky 13   Dec-20-08 11:50 AM   #218 
  - You GET it - you absolutely get it!  FlaGranny   Dec-20-08 10:26 AM   #212 
  - No - neither of you fucking "get it" - BIGOTRY is not acceptable in ANY form...  TankLV   Dec-20-08 10:35 AM   #214 
     - Of course it is not acceptable.  FlaGranny   Dec-20-08 11:13 AM   #216 
  - Well Done  trapper914   Dec-20-08 11:46 AM   #217 
  - Great post!  No DUplicitous DUpe   Dec-20-08 12:32 PM   #219 
 

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