| 66. throwing a bone to the fundies. |
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i have no problem with it. the rite isn't happy?
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| -The more I hear both sides complain, the more I like Obama's choice of Rick Warren |
gravity |
Dec-18-08 12:12 PM |
#0 |
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Fuck that -- I have no desire to find "common ground" with bigots |
LostinVA |
Dec-18-08 12:13 PM |
#1 |
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Seconded. |
Dennis Donovan |
Dec-18-08 12:16 PM |
#5 |
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Thirded. |
bvar22 |
Dec-18-08 12:31 PM |
#29 |
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Fourthed. |
lwcon |
Dec-22-08 10:45 AM |
#186 |
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and thus, ironically, you become part of the problem. Someone has to be the grown up |
cryingshame |
Dec-18-08 12:27 PM |
#21 |
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THANK YOU |
dave29 |
Dec-18-08 12:34 PM |
#35 |
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Fuck that -- NO COMMON GROUND WITH BIGOTS |
LostinVA |
Dec-18-08 12:36 PM |
#38 |
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Your attitude means no further progress in society. That's okay, those of us committed to changing |
cryingshame |
Dec-18-08 01:02 PM |
#63 |
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The "problem" is we do have common ground with Warren whether you like it or not |
dmesg |
Dec-22-08 09:05 AM |
#175 |
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Warren's contribution to AIDS is to spread AIDS in Africa |
IndianaGreen |
Dec-22-08 10:18 AM |
#182 |
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That's a gross simplification of what he's done on AIDS |
dmesg |
Dec-22-08 10:22 AM |
#184 |
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+1!!! |
scheming daemons |
Dec-18-08 12:35 PM |
#36 |
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+2 |
jakem |
Dec-18-08 12:39 PM |
#40 |
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-2 |
Dennis Donovan |
Dec-18-08 12:50 PM |
#52 |
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cheater. nt |
jakem |
Dec-18-08 12:52 PM |
#53 |
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+4 |
snooper2 |
Dec-18-08 01:56 PM |
#107 |
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-infinity |
Dennis Donovan |
Dec-18-08 02:07 PM |
#114 |
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Why can't Warren the bigot be the grown-up? |
Starbucks Anarchist |
Dec-18-08 12:42 PM |
#45 |
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Because he's too busy making millions and getting off on being powerful. You & I on the other hand, |
cryingshame |
Dec-18-08 01:03 PM |
#67 |
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And we can get "there" without him. |
Starbucks Anarchist |
Dec-18-08 01:05 PM |
#70 |
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Denying someone's existence is an extreme form of violence. |
cryingshame |
Dec-18-08 01:07 PM |
#72 |
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Denying someone's existence... like Prop 8, which Warren vocally supported? |
Starbucks Anarchist |
Dec-18-08 01:09 PM |
#78 |
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Yes, I do. BTW, this is exactly why comedians like Jon Stewart are so important in changing society |
cryingshame |
Dec-18-08 01:16 PM |
#86 |
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So you think ignoring/despising Warren is on par with doing the same with gays? |
Starbucks Anarchist |
Dec-18-08 01:18 PM |
#90 |
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It's just as counter-productive to progressing the cause of social justice |
cryingshame |
Dec-18-08 01:48 PM |
#105 |
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You're right, we should just play nice. |
Starbucks Anarchist |
Dec-18-08 01:54 PM |
#106 |
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Where did I say we should just play nice? And yes, grown ups tend to act respectfully |
cryingshame |
Dec-18-08 02:23 PM |
#118 |
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People like Warren will NEVER change. |
Starbucks Anarchist |
Dec-18-08 02:24 PM |
#119 |
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word up! |
frylock |
Dec-18-08 02:27 PM |
#123 |
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Sorry, replied to the wrong post! |
Moderate Dem |
Dec-18-08 02:39 PM |
# |
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I think MLK would have gladly sat down with George Wallace. |
Moderate Dem |
Dec-18-08 02:41 PM |
#134 |
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Shirley Chisholm did |
loyalsister |
Dec-18-08 02:44 PM |
#135 |
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Guess what? Wallace DID change. |
Odin2005 |
Dec-21-08 10:09 PM |
#146 |
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After he was shot! |
IndianaGreen |
Dec-21-08 10:45 PM |
#150 |
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self delete |
mondo joe |
Dec-21-08 11:58 PM |
#164 |
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But not because his opponents ever said "Hey, he may have a point there-- |
eridani |
Dec-23-08 10:56 PM |
#190 |
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Having a dialogue with him does not require honoring him with the |
No Elephants |
Dec-21-08 11:59 PM |
#166 |
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Mana from heaven comes in the form of |
mrone2 |
Dec-18-08 01:07 PM |
#71 |
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Because we who are grown-up have to show him (and those like him) the way... |
stevietheman |
Dec-22-08 01:17 AM |
#168 |
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Please try to understand this: Bigots are to be SHUNNED, not LEGITIMIZED... |
Dennis Donovan |
Dec-18-08 12:49 PM |
#50 |
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What are you trying to accomplish? |
gravity |
Dec-18-08 12:57 PM |
#55 |
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i agree with you |
mkultra |
Dec-18-08 12:59 PM |
#58 |
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You don't honor them into agreeing with you either. |
dbonds |
Dec-18-08 01:01 PM |
#61 |
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But you have to respect them as a human being |
gravity |
Dec-18-08 01:08 PM |
#74 |
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That is the crux of the issue, they don't respect us and wish us harm. |
dbonds |
Dec-18-08 01:14 PM |
#82 |
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Do you know how to get people to respect you? |
gravity |
Dec-18-08 01:17 PM |
#87 |
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Sorry, you just don't get it. |
dbonds |
Dec-18-08 01:24 PM |
#94 |
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They never had respect for gay people |
gravity |
Dec-18-08 01:36 PM |
#102 |
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They have to call off the war first. |
dbonds |
Dec-18-08 01:45 PM |
#104 |
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You sound jus like * regarding Iran. n/t |
yowzayowzayowza |
Dec-18-08 01:56 PM |
#108 |
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You sound like an idiot. |
dbonds |
Dec-18-08 02:03 PM |
#110 |
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. |
yowzayowzayowza |
Dec-18-08 02:35 PM |
#128 |
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And that is why we are in a stalemate |
gravity |
Dec-18-08 02:04 PM |
#111 |
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The mistake here is thinking you will win their hearts. |
dbonds |
Dec-18-08 02:24 PM |
#120 |
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But we don't even have enough hearts to get it passed in California |
gravity |
Dec-18-08 02:30 PM |
#125 |
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My take on CA... |
dbonds |
Dec-18-08 02:34 PM |
#127 |
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Your buddy Warren made sure of that |
LostinVA |
Dec-18-08 02:56 PM |
#138 |
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You have got to be kidding me |
LostinVA |
Dec-18-08 01:32 PM |
#98 |
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There's respect and then there's a national platform. |
Raineyb |
Dec-22-08 10:02 AM |
#178 |
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It's one thing to talk to them, it's completely another to honor them... |
Dennis Donovan |
Dec-18-08 01:10 PM |
#79 |
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As a former fundamentalist, all I can say is Wake the hell up. |
donco6 |
Dec-18-08 02:38 PM |
#130 |
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You're the only fundamentalist capable of changing? |
WonderGrunion |
Dec-22-08 10:18 AM |
#181 |
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DU talking about Warren sounds like Bush talking about Ahmadinajad NT |
dmesg |
Dec-22-08 09:07 AM |
#176 |
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so you think shunning bigotry will actually make things better? Good thing MLK didn't agree |
cryingshame |
Dec-18-08 01:18 PM |
#89 |
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He most certainly DID shun bigotry. Do you THINK he tried to find common ground? |
Dennis Donovan |
Dec-18-08 01:21 PM |
#93 |
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Like Senator Byrd? |
WonderGrunion |
Dec-22-08 10:19 AM |
#183 |
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Being a wimp isn't being a grown up, don't flatter yourself with that. |
dbonds |
Dec-18-08 12:59 PM |
#59 |
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I do support some of the discussion his choice has sparked on DU... |
AntiFascist |
Dec-21-08 08:41 PM |
#141 |
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Yes, but inviting someone to give an invocation is not doing the hard work |
No Elephants |
Dec-21-08 11:53 PM |
#161 |
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Here! Here! nt |
verges |
Dec-21-08 11:58 PM |
#165 |
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Warren already guaranteed no common ground can be found. |
IWantAnyDem |
Dec-22-08 05:46 AM |
#171 |
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Agreed. |
Neecy |
Dec-18-08 12:39 PM |
#41 |
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then im sure you wont. |
mkultra |
Dec-18-08 12:46 PM |
#49 |
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Wish I coudl rec a response. n/t |
IWantAnyDem |
Dec-18-08 01:16 PM |
#84 |
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Thanks |
LostinVA |
Dec-18-08 01:32 PM |
#99 |
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its hard to find common ground when one side isn't even viewed |
roguevalley |
Dec-18-08 02:22 PM |
#117 |
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I'm gay, and I do have the desire to find common ground with them. |
stevietheman |
Dec-22-08 01:16 AM |
#167 |
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Nor do I! |
Mad_Dem_X |
Dec-22-08 09:02 AM |
#174 |
| -
Do you believe that Sen. Byrd |
WonderGrunion |
Dec-22-08 10:15 AM |
#180 |
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The irony in your final sentence boggles the mind. |
leftofthedial |
Dec-18-08 12:13 PM |
#2 |
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LOL |
Zenlitened |
Dec-18-08 12:27 PM |
#22 |
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sure, throwing women and gays under the bus |
musette_sf |
Dec-18-08 12:13 PM |
#3 |
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But hey, The Inaugeral Committe says Warren is an advocate for "social justice", except of course |
saracat |
Dec-18-08 12:19 PM |
#9 |
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Warren is a disappointing choice, but I don't feel in any way thrown under the bus |
Truth Hurts A Lot |
Dec-18-08 12:26 PM |
#19 |
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glad to hear you like triangulation |
musette_sf |
Dec-18-08 12:27 PM |
#20 |
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Things aren't always black and white. There's a vast |
Truth Hurts A Lot |
Dec-18-08 12:28 PM |
#23 |
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i was willing to live with that grey area |
musette_sf |
Dec-18-08 12:30 PM |
#25 |
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Which of your basic human rights shall we consign to that gray area? |
QC |
Dec-18-08 12:43 PM |
#46 |
| -
Again, as a woman, I don't feel my human rights have been taken away |
Truth Hurts A Lot |
Dec-18-08 12:50 PM |
#51 |
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No, your rights haven't been taken away. |
QC |
Dec-18-08 01:05 PM |
#69 |
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good line... |
gblady |
Dec-22-08 10:31 AM |
#185 |
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No he hasn't failed. Give him a chance. |
Roberto1223 |
Dec-18-08 01:09 PM |
#77 |
| -
was it Warrens comparison of homosexuals to rapists and child molesters that won you over? |
chimpsrsmarter |
Dec-18-08 12:16 PM |
#4 |
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It is his commitment to fighting poverty and AIDS in Africa |
gravity |
Dec-18-08 12:17 PM |
#6 |
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oh okay, thanks for clearing that up, i can see how that makes up for his statements. |
chimpsrsmarter |
Dec-18-08 12:18 PM |
#8 |
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Yeah, because no Liberal Christian clergy fight poverty or do AIDS Outreach |
LostinVA |
Dec-18-08 12:20 PM |
#11 |
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The point is that he is one of the few, if the only, big pastor on the right who has shown movement |
GarbagemanLB |
Dec-18-08 12:24 PM |
#16 |
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And that is so much more important than the civil rights of American citizens! |
saracat |
Dec-18-08 12:23 PM |
#14 |
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Global poverty is pretty damn important too |
gravity |
Dec-18-08 12:30 PM |
#26 |
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Does that work better for you than going to the Chiropractor??? |
LostinVA |
Dec-18-08 12:31 PM |
#28 |
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you're missing the point, his "work" on fighting poverty and aids allows him to make |
chimpsrsmarter |
Dec-18-08 01:10 PM |
#80 |
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DOH! You are right!!! |
LostinVA |
Dec-18-08 02:05 PM |
#112 |
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I'm just here to help. |
chimpsrsmarter |
Dec-18-08 02:20 PM |
#115 |
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I appreciate straight people telling me how to think -- it makes things easier |
LostinVA |
Dec-18-08 02:21 PM |
#116 |
| -
indeed it is, it's way past bonkers. |
chimpsrsmarter |
Dec-18-08 02:32 PM |
#126 |
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Rationalizations as twisted as a pretzel |
LostinVA |
Dec-18-08 02:38 PM |
#131 |
| -
:) |
Bluebear |
Dec-23-08 10:07 PM |
#188 |
| -
THe ignorance displayed is monumental. Ever hear of Kitchen table issues? |
saracat |
Dec-18-08 12:38 PM |
#39 |
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That's great, since he opposes conom distribution to fight AIDS. |
mondo joe |
Dec-21-08 11:53 PM |
#162 |
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You dodged chimpsrsmarter's question: was it Warren's comparison of homosexuals to rapists & child m |
David Zephyr |
Dec-21-08 10:19 PM |
#148 |
| -
How special for you. |
pecwae |
Dec-18-08 12:17 PM |
#7 |
| -
Hey Lincoln! Get some pro slavery people up there. |
Neshanic |
Dec-18-08 12:19 PM |
#10 |
| -
Andrew Johnson |
quakerboy |
Dec-18-08 12:58 PM |
#57 |
| -
No fucking common ground with bigots and hatemongers. |
dbonds |
Dec-18-08 12:21 PM |
#12 |
| -
I think we need at least 20 more threads |
Mudoria |
Dec-18-08 12:23 PM |
#13 |
| -
Yay! Common ground with hatemongers! |
Bluebear |
Dec-18-08 12:24 PM |
#15 |
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Dec-18-08 12:25 PM |
#17 |
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Deleted sub-thread |
Name removed |
Dec-18-08 12:25 PM |
#18 |
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If the far side of both sides hate it, you know it's probably good |
alwysdrunk |
Dec-18-08 12:28 PM |
#24 |
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Why yes, I DO want to obliterate bigotry and discrimination |
LostinVA |
Dec-18-08 12:30 PM |
#27 |
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You don't extinguish the Darkness, you turn on a Light |
cryingshame |
Dec-18-08 02:26 PM |
#122 |
| -
Are you insane--- the FAR side, we are talking about bigotry and hate. |
dbonds |
Dec-18-08 12:32 PM |
#31 |
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I have the same position that you have |
alwysdrunk |
Dec-18-08 12:36 PM |
#37 |
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This isn't a litmus test of a theoretical issue. This is every bit a safety issue. |
dbonds |
Dec-18-08 12:42 PM |
#44 |
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So the gays and lesbians = the "far" side to you. |
Bluebear |
Dec-18-08 12:39 PM |
#42 |
| -
No, just the ones blowing this out of proportion |
alwysdrunk |
Dec-18-08 12:45 PM |
#47 |
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And what is "blowing it out of proportion" -- serious question |
LostinVA |
Dec-18-08 01:08 PM |
#73 |
| -
I see you haven't answered my question yet |
LostinVA |
Dec-18-08 01:33 PM |
#100 |
| -
Ha! have you read DU today |
alwysdrunk |
Dec-18-08 01:38 PM |
#103 |
| -
It's exactly like inviting a Klansman,a nd he is legitimizing the bigot's POV |
LostinVA |
Dec-18-08 02:06 PM |
#113 |
| -
So now you have to be to the far left to oppose the likes of Warren? |
Raineyb |
Dec-22-08 10:14 AM |
#179 |
| -
You don't understand the difference between |
nichomachus |
Dec-18-08 12:32 PM |
#30 |
| -
you are disgusting |
Skittles |
Dec-18-08 12:32 PM |
#32 |
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Dec-18-08 12:32 PM |
#33 |
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Deleted message |
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Dec-18-08 12:40 PM |
#43 |
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Wasn't that a Green Day song? |
Dennis Donovan |
Dec-18-08 12:56 PM |
#54 |
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If you haven't noticed this choice is not bringing people together, it is tearing us apart. |
MN Against Bush |
Dec-18-08 12:34 PM |
#34 |
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It is angering to those who want to fight. |
mkultra |
Dec-18-08 12:58 PM |
#56 |
| -
It is impossible to be inclusive of both bigots and the victims of bigotry |
MN Against Bush |
Dec-18-08 01:01 PM |
#62 |
| -
lol. How very assumptive of you. |
mkultra |
Dec-18-08 01:02 PM |
#64 |
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What I said is the truth whether you like it or not. |
MN Against Bush |
Dec-18-08 01:14 PM |
#81 |
| -
actually, neither your assumption nor your foolish approach are true |
mkultra |
Dec-18-08 01:27 PM |
#96 |
| -
Cut from the same cloth? Please. |
MN Against Bush |
Dec-18-08 02:01 PM |
#109 |
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Please link to an LGBT site that advocates stripping civil rights from straights n/t |
eridani |
Dec-24-08 12:00 AM |
#191 |
| -
Not people who think it's not that big a deal |
alwysdrunk |
Dec-18-08 01:02 PM |
#65 |
| -
So what about Warren's views aren't a big deal? |
LostinVA |
Dec-18-08 01:08 PM |
#76 |
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The ones he will be giving at the event |
alwysdrunk |
Dec-18-08 01:18 PM |
#88 |
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Legitimizing his views by placing him at the forefront and letting him invoke God? |
LostinVA |
Dec-18-08 01:34 PM |
#101 |
| -
Many do think it is a big deal though, this decision is not unifying for those who condemn bigotry |
MN Against Bush |
Dec-18-08 01:16 PM |
#85 |
| -
I totally agree with you |
RoadRage |
Dec-18-08 12:46 PM |
#48 |
| -
So how'd that meeting go with the Grand Wizard of the KKK, David Duke, and |
Malikshah |
Dec-18-08 01:00 PM |
#60 |
| -
throwing a bone to the fundies. |
pansypoo53219 |
Dec-18-08 01:02 PM |
#66 |
| -
Fuck that- |
Marrah_G |
Dec-18-08 01:04 PM |
#68 |
| -
Why didn't Rick Warren campaign with Obama? |
leftstreet |
Dec-18-08 01:08 PM |
#75 |
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Dec-18-08 01:15 PM |
#83 |
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This is the Fox News "fair and balanced" argument that tries to |
sfexpat2000 |
Dec-18-08 01:19 PM |
#91 |
| -
Nicely done! |
leftstreet |
Dec-18-08 01:20 PM |
#92 |
| -
Yep. The "both sides" argument is almost always bull |
sampsonblk |
Dec-21-08 10:58 PM |
#153 |
| -
Yes, the choice of Warren certainly has united Obama's supporters. |
yardwork |
Dec-18-08 01:26 PM |
#95 |
| -
The trouble is, Warren isn't part of the political spectrum, he's a bigot and homophobe |
MadHound |
Dec-18-08 01:28 PM |
#97 |
| -
So....David Duke will also speak? Common ground and all... |
Evergreen Emerald |
Dec-18-08 02:25 PM |
#121 |
| -
Yeah, why the Hell not? |
Sebastian Doyle |
Dec-21-08 08:47 PM |
#143 |
| -
Yeah, I'm farting rainbows of joy right now. n/t |
donco6 |
Dec-18-08 02:28 PM |
#124 |
| -
Face it, this forum has a lot of "far leftists"... |
Moderate Dem |
Dec-18-08 02:38 PM |
#129 |
| -
hahahahaha --DU HAS ALOT OF "FAR LEFTISTS"??????? |
LostinVA |
Dec-18-08 02:39 PM |
#132 |
| -
You disagree? |
Moderate Dem |
Dec-18-08 02:44 PM |
#136 |
| -
Three things |
LostinVA |
Dec-18-08 02:55 PM |
#137 |
| -
"Mocking attitude" |
IAmJacksSmirkingRevenge |
Dec-18-08 02:58 PM |
#139 |
| -
I agree with you |
DeschutesRiver |
Dec-18-08 02:41 PM |
#133 |
| -
It's very Matt Santos... |
mwei924 |
Dec-18-08 06:02 PM |
#140 |
| -
And the only two places on earth where you'll find "reasonable" Republicans anymore |
Sebastian Doyle |
Dec-21-08 08:45 PM |
#142 |
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Dec-21-08 08:47 PM |
#144 |
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Sure, Rick Warren is a fine example of how Obama will bring this nation together |
IndianaGreen |
Dec-21-08 08:55 PM |
#145 |
| -
When I saw that both extreme ends were bitching I knew Obama must be doing something right. |
Odin2005 |
Dec-21-08 10:15 PM |
#147 |
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i agree with ya on that n/t |
Bodhi BloodWave |
Dec-21-08 10:44 PM |
#149 |
| -
I suppose Nelson Mandela was totalitarian for insisting on the end of apartheid |
IndianaGreen |
Dec-21-08 10:49 PM |
#151 |
| -
No, but he didn't have to problem talking with racists. |
Odin2005 |
Dec-21-08 10:55 PM |
#152 |
| -
Dr. King's words don't apply to gays, eh? You should be ashamed of yourself. |
Bluebear |
Dec-21-08 11:24 PM |
#156 |
| -
Coretta Scott King said those words directly applied to gays. Are you a greater authority |
mondo joe |
Dec-21-08 11:55 PM |
#163 |
| -
Do you run away from every threat? |
yowzayowzayowza |
Dec-22-08 03:19 AM |
#169 |
| -
When did I run away? |
mondo joe |
Dec-22-08 09:22 AM |
#177 |
| -
"Extreme ends" = gays and lesbians, yes? |
Bluebear |
Dec-21-08 11:23 PM |
#155 |
| -
"gays = child molesters" vs "no we're not" is now two extreme ends. |
mondo joe |
Dec-21-08 11:51 PM |
#160 |
| -
I don't have "common ground" with Nazis nor do I associate with trash that does.... |
Rowdyboy |
Dec-21-08 11:18 PM |
#154 |
| -
Yes, after all we need to learn how to reach out to bigots and homophobes, |
MadHound |
Dec-21-08 11:39 PM |
#157 |
| -
Both sides of the political spectrum? First, the "political spectrum" |
No Elephants |
Dec-21-08 11:44 PM |
#158 |
| -
I look forward to your future appalling disappointment. |
mondo joe |
Dec-21-08 11:50 PM |
#159 |
| -
Don't hold your breath. |
The Godfather |
Dec-22-08 07:16 AM |
#172 |
| -
I've been thinking this also. |
Skidmore |
Dec-22-08 05:38 AM |
#170 |
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I'm waiting to see how much Warren |
bigwillq |
Dec-22-08 07:37 AM |
#173 |
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the great thing about the internet is no one is ashamed of publicly displaying stupidity |
lionesspriyanka |
Dec-22-08 10:54 AM |
#187 |
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Yes, for 8 years the complaint was Bush divided a nation staying on either side of that divide is > |
cooolandrew |
Dec-23-08 10:12 PM |
#189 |
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