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Fri Dec-19-08 01:39 PM
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but Rev. Warren does not reflect those values, and his very presence is a slap in the face to those values.
Again, actions are louder then words, when/if President Obama passes ENDA, Hate Crimes and ends the ban on gays in the military I'll happily eat crow and say that he puts his money where his mouth is. If he goes a step further and creates a National Civil Union law, allows gay couples to file joint federal taxes, and ensure hospital visitation and social security spousal benefits then he will show a true commitment on civil rights and be one of the most progressive presidents ever on gay rights
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| -DU is not a pillar of tolerance. |
Bleachers7 |
Dec-18-08 10:10 AM |
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But Warren doesn't tolerate me. |
Kalyke |
Dec-18-08 10:11 AM |
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And this is part of the solution? |
WillBowden |
Dec-18-08 10:12 AM |
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This is really not about the invocation at all. |
Bleachers7 |
Dec-18-08 10:13 AM |
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I will not disagree that tempers are high... |
WillBowden |
Dec-18-08 10:14 AM |
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There is a good reason why people are upset. |
Bleachers7 |
Dec-18-08 10:21 AM |
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Wants them to know they're welcome... |
WillBowden |
Dec-18-08 10:26 AM |
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I agree. |
Bleachers7 |
Dec-18-08 10:28 AM |
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For the national audience, it does just fine. It is NOT center stage. |
NCevilDUer |
Dec-18-08 11:47 AM |
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That's how I see it, too. |
Sugarcoated |
Dec-18-08 12:27 PM |
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So the GLBT community is a bone? |
WillBowden |
Dec-18-08 01:06 PM |
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Not even close |
Sugarcoated |
Dec-18-08 01:32 PM |
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When I stop seeing red... |
WillBowden |
Dec-18-08 01:46 PM |
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Let me ask you this then |
Sugarcoated |
Dec-18-08 03:12 PM |
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No. |
WillBowden |
Dec-19-08 03:14 AM |
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It means... |
WillBowden |
Dec-18-08 01:05 PM |
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DU is tolerant of only those that agree with DU. |
jakem |
Dec-18-08 10:14 AM |
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DU doesn't agree with DU as to what DU agrees with, though |
Posteritatis |
Dec-18-08 10:16 AM |
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That's for sure. |
Bleachers7 |
Dec-18-08 10:22 AM |
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Yes, it does. |
jakem |
Dec-18-08 10:22 AM |
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No joke |
quakerboy |
Dec-18-08 01:11 PM |
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I disagree. |
BlooInBloo |
Dec-18-08 04:58 PM |
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huh? |
larissa |
Dec-19-08 06:24 AM |
#113 |
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DU doesnt even agree with DU. |
bunnies |
Dec-18-08 10:18 AM |
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No it doesn't. |
Posteritatis |
Dec-18-08 10:36 AM |
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Liar. |
bunnies |
Dec-18-08 10:50 AM |
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Ding, ding, ding!! |
AZBlue |
Dec-19-08 08:52 PM |
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Agree, the hypocrisy can be pretty stout around here. nt |
Justyce |
Dec-18-08 10:17 AM |
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I nominate this for stupidest OP of the week -- maybe the year |
nichomachus |
Dec-18-08 10:17 AM |
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Did you just prove my point? |
Bleachers7 |
Dec-18-08 10:23 AM |
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No. He didn't. What he showed is the proper indignation. Which is what you'd show |
Harvey Korman |
Dec-18-08 10:25 AM |
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Show me where I blamed people for objecting to Warren. |
Bleachers7 |
Dec-18-08 10:29 AM |
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That is exactly what you're doing. Calling people "intolerant" because they don't |
Harvey Korman |
Dec-18-08 10:32 AM |
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No... |
Bleachers7 |
Dec-18-08 10:35 AM |
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What you posted was indefensible. |
Harvey Korman |
Dec-18-08 10:38 AM |
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At what point to do you turn the outrage off? |
Bleachers7 |
Dec-18-08 10:40 AM |
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When the outrages end. |
Harvey Korman |
Dec-18-08 10:43 AM |
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I agree |
Bleachers7 |
Dec-18-08 10:47 AM |
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Maybe it was this line |
nichomachus |
Dec-18-08 10:33 AM |
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The response has not been wholly "principled." |
Bleachers7 |
Dec-18-08 10:39 AM |
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I don't think you are the proper person |
nichomachus |
Dec-18-08 10:44 AM |
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You're making stuff up again. |
Bleachers7 |
Dec-18-08 10:52 AM |
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Your point, unfortunately, is unprovable |
nichomachus |
Dec-18-08 10:27 AM |
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Yeah I second this OP as the stupidest post of the year |
spiritual_gunfighter |
Dec-19-08 05:00 AM |
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Ever heard of Proud2BAmurkin? |
hnmnf |
Dec-18-08 10:30 AM |
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Tolerance |
Rebubula |
Dec-18-08 10:18 AM |
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bullshit - look at the atheist group |
dmallind |
Dec-18-08 10:20 AM |
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There's one good point in there. |
Bleachers7 |
Dec-18-08 10:26 AM |
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So who exactly would the anti-religious be? |
dmallind |
Dec-18-08 12:14 PM |
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Being an atheist doesn't make you anti-religion |
Bleachers7 |
Dec-18-08 01:30 PM |
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I understand that - but not what I asked |
dmallind |
Dec-18-08 04:17 PM |
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um, there is another major thread here started by an atheist. |
kwassa |
Dec-18-08 12:32 PM |
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Yes - but are MOST of us bothered |
dmallind |
Dec-18-08 12:42 PM |
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Name removed |
Dec-18-08 10:22 AM |
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Makes... |
Rebubula |
Dec-18-08 10:24 AM |
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I have a feeling any kind of logic makes your head spin |
nichomachus |
Dec-18-08 10:28 AM |
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No, I'm chiding the intolerant that think they're tolerant. |
Bleachers7 |
Dec-18-08 10:27 AM |
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that pretty much sums it up: being tolerant of the intolerant |
noiretblu |
Dec-18-08 06:05 PM |
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There is no reason we should have tolerance and understanding for bigotry |
MN Against Bush |
Dec-18-08 10:23 AM |
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And not all believers are homophobic. |
Bleachers7 |
Dec-18-08 10:35 AM |
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I never said all believers were homophobic. |
MN Against Bush |
Dec-18-08 10:54 AM |
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I know. |
Bleachers7 |
Dec-18-08 10:55 AM |
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Is he? Really? |
NCevilDUer |
Dec-18-08 12:04 PM |
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Yeah, I'm sure if he invited David Duke he might get some racists watching as well. |
MN Against Bush |
Dec-18-08 12:33 PM |
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So every person who goes to Warren's church is a bigot? |
NCevilDUer |
Dec-18-08 12:48 PM |
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I never said every person who goes to Warren's church is a bigot. |
MN Against Bush |
Dec-18-08 12:54 PM |
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Error. Error. Too logical. Too logical. |
mwb970 |
Dec-19-08 06:15 AM |
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I am prejudiced against fundamentalist Christians. |
Kristi1696 |
Dec-18-08 10:32 AM |
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DAMN IT PEOPLE!...... |
hlthe2b |
Dec-18-08 10:34 AM |
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intolerance |
ROakes1019 |
Dec-18-08 10:35 AM |
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Is it Renegade08 come to grace us with his presence again? |
Harvey Korman |
Dec-18-08 10:41 AM |
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Oh no. |
cboy4 |
Dec-18-08 01:44 PM |
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Another logical post. Why do you bother? |
mwb970 |
Dec-19-08 06:17 AM |
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Hear Hear! |
OPERATIONMINDCRIME |
Dec-19-08 08:52 PM |
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I don't pretend to be tolerant of the intolerant and the political following |
mmonk |
Dec-18-08 10:36 AM |
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Sounds like you read George Orwell |
bahrbearian |
Dec-20-08 01:37 AM |
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... |
michele77 |
Dec-18-08 10:48 AM |
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I don't think I am tolerant enough |
Jennicut |
Dec-18-08 11:50 AM |
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Tolerance is a fucking fraud |
alcibiades_mystery |
Dec-18-08 11:50 AM |
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Nail meet HEAD |
phleshdef |
Dec-18-08 11:52 AM |
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I think you are a bit confused. Democrats are not, nor ever claimed to be, "tolerant" of bigots. |
WinkyDink |
Dec-18-08 11:58 AM |
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What an ignorant post- welcome to ignore |
Marrah_G |
Dec-18-08 12:02 PM |
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Ignorance is bliss. |
Bleachers7 |
Dec-18-08 01:35 PM |
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I've had enough posted removed on women's issues to know that |
Cleita |
Dec-18-08 12:17 PM |
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Give it up man, the steamroller is rolling, they're not going to stop until they run out of gas. |
SidneyCarton |
Dec-18-08 12:51 PM |
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It's not a sin to be intolerant of intolerance. |
baldguy |
Dec-18-08 12:56 PM |
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Tolerate the intolerant if you wish, I won't stand with you, for surely you stand against GLBT... |
Solon |
Dec-18-08 01:00 PM |
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You have no idea where I stand, |
Bleachers7 |
Dec-18-08 01:36 PM |
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Warren is an apostle of virulent anti-intellectual Christianity |
grantcart |
Dec-18-08 01:01 PM |
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The difference is that gay people exist. nt |
LeftyMom |
Dec-18-08 01:13 PM |
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The most radical revolutionary is a staunch conservative the day after the revolution. |
billyoc |
Dec-18-08 01:15 PM |
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Hypocritical? Yes. Surprising? No, not to me; DU can be a place where... |
bridgit |
Dec-18-08 01:29 PM |
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Great post! |
Bleachers7 |
Dec-18-08 01:40 PM |
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what's so funny 'bout peace, love and.... |
infidel dog |
Dec-18-08 02:10 PM |
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No indeed, as the scramble to man battlestations for the Obama/Warren gaff |
Neshanic |
Dec-18-08 04:19 PM |
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Fuck Rick Warren. |
bigwillq |
Dec-18-08 04:24 PM |
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The people bashing Obama seem to think hate and intolerance is cured by more hate and intolerance. |
Odin2005 |
Dec-18-08 04:44 PM |
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And some people here are drawing false equivalencies between bigots and their victims. |
QC |
Dec-18-08 04:47 PM |
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No. |
Odin2005 |
Dec-18-08 04:55 PM |
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It's not intolerance to denounce bigots. |
oktoberain |
Dec-18-08 04:45 PM |
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Hate doersn't cure hate, it just creates more hate. |
Odin2005 |
Dec-18-08 04:46 PM |
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Calling bigots on their bigotry ISN'T hate. |
oktoberain |
Dec-18-08 04:48 PM |
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"Right-wing arguments" my ass/ I call 'em as I see 'em. |
Odin2005 |
Dec-18-08 04:54 PM |
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There's a big-ass gulf of difference between the extremes you mentioned |
oktoberain |
Dec-18-08 05:27 PM |
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I know the analogies weren't perfect, but I think you missed the larger point. |
Odin2005 |
Dec-18-08 05:43 PM |
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Unfortunately, that's exactly what people have been doing today |
davidpdx |
Dec-19-08 04:57 AM |
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Maybe you should learn to tolerate other people's intolerance. |
ZombieHorde |
Dec-18-08 04:47 PM |
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Hear hear! |
HypnoToad |
Dec-18-08 04:50 PM |
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That's not the point... |
Liberalboy |
Dec-18-08 04:55 PM |
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First we should consider what the core values of the Democratic Party. |
Bleachers7 |
Dec-19-08 09:16 AM |
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You're right... |
Liberalboy |
Dec-19-08 01:39 PM |
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Not smart. Not even clever.... |
BlooInBloo |
Dec-18-08 04:57 PM |
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not tolerating homophobes is not considered intolerant? how stupid. nt |
lionesspriyanka |
Dec-18-08 05:32 PM |
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Who are you calling homophobes? |
Bleachers7 |
Dec-19-08 09:17 AM |
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Your damned right about that, too many people here tolerate homophobia! |
Solon |
Dec-18-08 05:42 PM |
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I don't care about his religion, I care about his homophobia and sexism. |
Starbucks Anarchist |
Dec-18-08 05:49 PM |
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You fail to see a most basic point in all of this |
depakid |
Dec-19-08 03:33 AM |
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What is the point of this asinine thread except to further stir shit? |
Chovexani |
Dec-19-08 03:50 AM |
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Warren reminds me of Larry the Cable Guy. |
sfexpat2000 |
Dec-19-08 03:55 AM |
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This thread is not about Warren at all. |
Bleachers7 |
Dec-19-08 09:20 AM |
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Yeah right, I have not heard people condemn him for being a Christian... |
Solon |
Dec-19-08 01:57 PM |
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Tolerating intolerance shouldn't be a pillar of DU. |
Behind the Aegis |
Dec-19-08 03:51 AM |
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You know what I hate about oppressed people? |
lwfern |
Dec-19-08 04:43 AM |
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I'm irrational because I believe in god. |
undeterred |
Dec-19-08 09:22 AM |
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Why the hell are you conflating a bunch of unrelated issues with Warren? n/t |
Solon |
Dec-19-08 01:58 PM |
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Forgive me. |
undeterred |
Dec-19-08 08:48 PM |
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If the Warren matter is a harbinger of how Obama will bring this country together |
IndianaGreen |
Dec-19-08 02:00 PM |
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I do not care what you believe as long as you do not try to force these beliefs on me. |
Mass |
Dec-19-08 02:06 PM |
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Good, balanced post. I am very much against the Warren invocation but I have seen a level of vitriol |
apocalypsehow |
Dec-19-08 02:13 PM |
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Hypocrites Abound. |
OPERATIONMINDCRIME |
Dec-19-08 08:51 PM |
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Damn good thing we DON'T walk in lock-step like the freepers |
RiverStone |
Dec-20-08 01:58 AM |
#129 |
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