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WillParkinson Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Dec-18-08 10:26 AM
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21. Wants them to know they're welcome...
And this intelligent, well-educated man could not think of any other way to do this?

Giving this man center-stage will serve to enforce the views of many in this country. It does not lead to an attitude of change.
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  -DU is not a pillar of tolerance. Bleachers7  Dec-18-08 10:10 AM   #0 
  - But Warren doesn't tolerate me.  Kalyke   Dec-18-08 10:11 AM   #1 
  - And this is part of the solution?  WillBowden   Dec-18-08 10:12 AM   #2 
  - This is really not about the invocation at all.  Bleachers7   Dec-18-08 10:13 AM   #3 
     - I will not disagree that tempers are high...  WillBowden   Dec-18-08 10:14 AM   #4 
        - There is a good reason why people are upset.  Bleachers7   Dec-18-08 10:21 AM   #12 
           - Wants them to know they're welcome...  WillBowden   Dec-18-08 10:26 AM   #21 
              - I agree.  Bleachers7   Dec-18-08 10:28 AM   #24 
              - For the national audience, it does just fine. It is NOT center stage.  NCevilDUer   Dec-18-08 11:47 AM   #48 
                 - That's how I see it, too.  Sugarcoated   Dec-18-08 12:27 PM   #57 
                 - So the GLBT community is a bone?  WillBowden   Dec-18-08 01:06 PM   #68 
                    - Not even close  Sugarcoated   Dec-18-08 01:32 PM   #74 
                       - When I stop seeing red...  WillBowden   Dec-18-08 01:46 PM   #79 
                          - Let me ask you this then  Sugarcoated   Dec-18-08 03:12 PM   #81 
                             - No.  WillBowden   Dec-19-08 03:14 AM   #103 
                 - It means...  WillBowden   Dec-18-08 01:05 PM   #67 
  - DU is tolerant of only those that agree with DU.  jakem   Dec-18-08 10:14 AM   #5 
  - DU doesn't agree with DU as to what DU agrees with, though  Posteritatis   Dec-18-08 10:16 AM   #6 
  - That's for sure.  Bleachers7   Dec-18-08 10:22 AM   #13 
  - Yes, it does.  jakem   Dec-18-08 10:22 AM   #15 
  - No joke  quakerboy   Dec-18-08 01:11 PM   #69 
  - I disagree.  BlooInBloo   Dec-18-08 04:58 PM   #96 
  - huh?  larissa   Dec-19-08 06:24 AM   #113 
  - DU doesnt even agree with DU.  bunnies   Dec-18-08 10:18 AM   #9 
  - No it doesn't.  Posteritatis   Dec-18-08 10:36 AM   #34 
     - Liar.  bunnies   Dec-18-08 10:50 AM   #44 
  - Ding, ding, ding!!  AZBlue   Dec-19-08 08:52 PM   #127 
  - Agree, the hypocrisy can be pretty stout around here. nt  Justyce   Dec-18-08 10:17 AM   #7 
  - I nominate this for stupidest OP of the week -- maybe the year  nichomachus   Dec-18-08 10:17 AM   #8 
  - Did you just prove my point?  Bleachers7   Dec-18-08 10:23 AM   #16 
  - No. He didn't. What he showed is the proper indignation. Which is what you'd show  Harvey Korman   Dec-18-08 10:25 AM   #19 
  - Show me where I blamed people for objecting to Warren.  Bleachers7   Dec-18-08 10:29 AM   #26 
     - That is exactly what you're doing. Calling people "intolerant" because they don't  Harvey Korman   Dec-18-08 10:32 AM   # 
     - No...  Bleachers7   Dec-18-08 10:35 AM   #33 
        - What you posted was indefensible.  Harvey Korman   Dec-18-08 10:38 AM   #36 
           - At what point to do you turn the outrage off?  Bleachers7   Dec-18-08 10:40 AM   #38 
              - When the outrages end.  Harvey Korman   Dec-18-08 10:43 AM   #40 
                 - I agree  Bleachers7   Dec-18-08 10:47 AM   #42 
     - Maybe it was this line  nichomachus   Dec-18-08 10:33 AM   #29 
        - The response has not been wholly "principled."  Bleachers7   Dec-18-08 10:39 AM   #37 
           - I don't think you are the proper person  nichomachus   Dec-18-08 10:44 AM   #41 
              - You're making stuff up again.  Bleachers7   Dec-18-08 10:52 AM   #45 
  - Your point, unfortunately, is unprovable  nichomachus   Dec-18-08 10:27 AM   #23 
  - Yeah I second this OP as the stupidest post of the year  spiritual_gunfighter   Dec-19-08 05:00 AM   #110 
  - Ever heard of Proud2BAmurkin?  hnmnf   Dec-18-08 10:30 AM   #27 
  - Tolerance  Rebubula   Dec-18-08 10:18 AM   #10 
  - bullshit - look at the atheist group  dmallind   Dec-18-08 10:20 AM   #11 
  - There's one good point in there.  Bleachers7   Dec-18-08 10:26 AM   #20 
  - So who exactly would the anti-religious be?  dmallind   Dec-18-08 12:14 PM   #55 
     - Being an atheist doesn't make you anti-religion  Bleachers7   Dec-18-08 01:30 PM   #73 
        - I understand that - but not what I asked  dmallind   Dec-18-08 04:17 PM   #82 
  - um, there is another major thread here started by an atheist.  kwassa   Dec-18-08 12:32 PM   #58 
     - Yes - but are MOST of us bothered  dmallind   Dec-18-08 12:42 PM   #60 
  - Deleted message  Name removed   Dec-18-08 10:22 AM   #14 
  - Makes...  Rebubula   Dec-18-08 10:24 AM   #18 
  - I have a feeling any kind of logic makes your head spin  nichomachus   Dec-18-08 10:28 AM   #25 
  - No, I'm chiding the intolerant that think they're tolerant.  Bleachers7   Dec-18-08 10:27 AM   #22 
  - that pretty much sums it up: being tolerant of the intolerant  noiretblu   Dec-18-08 06:05 PM   #102 
  - There is no reason we should have tolerance and understanding for bigotry  MN Against Bush   Dec-18-08 10:23 AM   #17 
  - And not all believers are homophobic.  Bleachers7   Dec-18-08 10:35 AM   #31 
     - I never said all believers were homophobic.  MN Against Bush   Dec-18-08 10:54 AM   #46 
        - I know.  Bleachers7   Dec-18-08 10:55 AM   #47 
        - Is he? Really?  NCevilDUer   Dec-18-08 12:04 PM   #54 
           - Yeah, I'm sure if he invited David Duke he might get some racists watching as well.  MN Against Bush   Dec-18-08 12:33 PM   #59 
           - So every person who goes to Warren's church is a bigot?  NCevilDUer   Dec-18-08 12:48 PM   #61 
              - I never said every person who goes to Warren's church is a bigot.  MN Against Bush   Dec-18-08 12:54 PM   #63 
           - Error. Error. Too logical. Too logical.  mwb970   Dec-19-08 06:15 AM   #111 
  - I am prejudiced against fundamentalist Christians.  Kristi1696   Dec-18-08 10:32 AM   #28 
  - DAMN IT PEOPLE!......  hlthe2b   Dec-18-08 10:34 AM   #30 
  - intolerance  ROakes1019   Dec-18-08 10:35 AM   #32 
  - Is it Renegade08 come to grace us with his presence again?  Harvey Korman   Dec-18-08 10:41 AM   #39 
  - Oh no.  cboy4   Dec-18-08 01:44 PM   #78 
  - Another logical post. Why do you bother?  mwb970   Dec-19-08 06:17 AM   #112 
  - Hear Hear!  OPERATIONMINDCRIME   Dec-19-08 08:52 PM   #126 
  - I don't pretend to be tolerant of the intolerant and the political following  mmonk   Dec-18-08 10:36 AM   #35 
  - Sounds like you read George Orwell  bahrbearian   Dec-20-08 01:37 AM   #128 
  - ...  michele77   Dec-18-08 10:48 AM   #43 
  - I don't think I am tolerant enough  Jennicut   Dec-18-08 11:50 AM   #49 
  - Tolerance is a fucking fraud  alcibiades_mystery   Dec-18-08 11:50 AM   #50 
  - Nail meet HEAD  phleshdef   Dec-18-08 11:52 AM   #51 
  - I think you are a bit confused. Democrats are not, nor ever claimed to be, "tolerant" of bigots.  WinkyDink   Dec-18-08 11:58 AM   #52 
  - What an ignorant post- welcome to ignore  Marrah_G   Dec-18-08 12:02 PM   #53 
  - Ignorance is bliss.  Bleachers7   Dec-18-08 01:35 PM   #75 
  - I've had enough posted removed on women's issues to know that  Cleita   Dec-18-08 12:17 PM   #56 
  - Give it up man, the steamroller is rolling, they're not going to stop until they run out of gas.  SidneyCarton   Dec-18-08 12:51 PM   #62 
  - It's not a sin to be intolerant of intolerance.  baldguy   Dec-18-08 12:56 PM   #64 
  - Tolerate the intolerant if you wish, I won't stand with you, for surely you stand against GLBT...  Solon   Dec-18-08 01:00 PM   #65 
  - You have no idea where I stand,  Bleachers7   Dec-18-08 01:36 PM   #76 
  - Warren is an apostle of virulent anti-intellectual Christianity  grantcart   Dec-18-08 01:01 PM   #66 
  - The difference is that gay people exist. nt  LeftyMom   Dec-18-08 01:13 PM   #70 
  - The most radical revolutionary is a staunch conservative the day after the revolution.  billyoc   Dec-18-08 01:15 PM   #71 
  - Hypocritical? Yes. Surprising? No, not to me; DU can be a place where...  bridgit   Dec-18-08 01:29 PM   #72 
  - Great post!  Bleachers7   Dec-18-08 01:40 PM   #77 
  - what's so funny 'bout peace, love and....  infidel dog   Dec-18-08 02:10 PM   #80 
  - No indeed, as the scramble to man battlestations for the Obama/Warren gaff  Neshanic   Dec-18-08 04:19 PM   #83 
  - Fuck Rick Warren.  bigwillq   Dec-18-08 04:24 PM   #84 
  - The people bashing Obama seem to think hate and intolerance is cured by more hate and intolerance.  Odin2005   Dec-18-08 04:44 PM   #85 
  - And some people here are drawing false equivalencies between bigots and their victims.  QC   Dec-18-08 04:47 PM   #89 
     - No.  Odin2005   Dec-18-08 04:55 PM   #94 
  - It's not intolerance to denounce bigots.  oktoberain   Dec-18-08 04:45 PM   #86 
  - Hate doersn't cure hate, it just creates more hate.  Odin2005   Dec-18-08 04:46 PM   #87 
     - Calling bigots on their bigotry ISN'T hate.  oktoberain   Dec-18-08 04:48 PM   #90 
        - "Right-wing arguments" my ass/ I call 'em as I see 'em.  Odin2005   Dec-18-08 04:54 PM   #92 
           - There's a big-ass gulf of difference between the extremes you mentioned  oktoberain   Dec-18-08 05:27 PM   #97 
           - I know the analogies weren't perfect, but I think you missed the larger point.  Odin2005   Dec-18-08 05:43 PM   #100 
           - Unfortunately, that's exactly what people have been doing today  davidpdx   Dec-19-08 04:57 AM   #109 
  - Maybe you should learn to tolerate other people's intolerance.  ZombieHorde   Dec-18-08 04:47 PM   #88 
  - Hear hear!  HypnoToad   Dec-18-08 04:50 PM   #91 
  - That's not the point...  Liberalboy   Dec-18-08 04:55 PM   #93 
  - First we should consider what the core values of the Democratic Party.  Bleachers7   Dec-19-08 09:16 AM   #114 
     - You're right...  Liberalboy   Dec-19-08 01:39 PM   #118 
  - Not smart. Not even clever....  BlooInBloo   Dec-18-08 04:57 PM   #95 
  - not tolerating homophobes is not considered intolerant? how stupid. nt  lionesspriyanka   Dec-18-08 05:32 PM   #98 
  - Who are you calling homophobes?  Bleachers7   Dec-19-08 09:17 AM   #115 
  - Your damned right about that, too many people here tolerate homophobia!  Solon   Dec-18-08 05:42 PM   #99 
  - I don't care about his religion, I care about his homophobia and sexism.  Starbucks Anarchist   Dec-18-08 05:49 PM   #101 
  - You fail to see a most basic point in all of this  depakid   Dec-19-08 03:33 AM   #104 
  - What is the point of this asinine thread except to further stir shit?  Chovexani   Dec-19-08 03:50 AM   #105 
  - Warren reminds me of Larry the Cable Guy.  sfexpat2000   Dec-19-08 03:55 AM   #107 
  - This thread is not about Warren at all.  Bleachers7   Dec-19-08 09:20 AM   #116 
     - Yeah right, I have not heard people condemn him for being a Christian...  Solon   Dec-19-08 01:57 PM   #119 
  - Tolerating intolerance shouldn't be a pillar of DU.  Behind the Aegis   Dec-19-08 03:51 AM   #106 
  - You know what I hate about oppressed people?  lwfern   Dec-19-08 04:43 AM   #108 
  - I'm irrational because I believe in god.  undeterred   Dec-19-08 09:22 AM   #117 
  - Why the hell are you conflating a bunch of unrelated issues with Warren? n/t  Solon   Dec-19-08 01:58 PM   #120 
     - Forgive me.  undeterred   Dec-19-08 08:48 PM   #124 
  - If the Warren matter is a harbinger of how Obama will bring this country together  IndianaGreen   Dec-19-08 02:00 PM   #121 
  - I do not care what you believe as long as you do not try to force these beliefs on me.  Mass   Dec-19-08 02:06 PM   #122 
  - Good, balanced post. I am very much against the Warren invocation but I have seen a level of vitriol  apocalypsehow   Dec-19-08 02:13 PM   #123 
  - Hypocrites Abound.  OPERATIONMINDCRIME   Dec-19-08 08:51 PM   #125 
  - Damn good thing we DON'T walk in lock-step like the freepers  RiverStone   Dec-20-08 01:58 AM   #129 
 

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