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Wed Dec-17-08 03:07 PM
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| 67. You've made my point. |
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And I'm not sure how excluding them, or hating them, or calling them names is going to actually achieve anything....and that applies to ME peace, Gay Rights or other issues where there are two distinct sides that have not been getting their voice respected by the other.
Obama obviously is willing to give everyone a seat at the table.....and that is perhaps how things get done. It is obvious that everyone hating everyone hasn't worked. Being smug and right in one's hate doesn't neccessarily gain anything other than momentary satisfaction. Meanwhile, the other side will figure out how to get back even. Is that what you really believe solves things? If so, I'm glad you are not on any diplomatic mission in attempting to secure any forward movement. Looks like you want concessions from the other side, but aren't willing to give up anything until your own demands have been satisfied. Sounds like Bush diplomacy to me; willing only to sit down with the enemies after getting your concessions and not before.
Personally, what Obama is doing might be shocking to some, but that doesn't make it useless or a step in the wrong direction.
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| -Obama Inauguration: Rick Warren To Deliver Invocation (Press Release of Inaugration Program) |
KoKo01 |
Dec-17-08 01:49 PM |
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Oh yuck! |
polichick |
Dec-17-08 01:52 PM |
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So the fundies have a friend in the White House. |
mycritters2 |
Dec-17-08 01:53 PM |
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and he sends his kids to.....PRIVATE school! |
GarbagemanLB |
Dec-17-08 01:56 PM |
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I take it you're not gay. |
mycritters2 |
Dec-17-08 01:57 PM |
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Get back to me when any of Obama's policies reflect Warren's views. |
GarbagemanLB |
Dec-17-08 02:01 PM |
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Like how he opposes marriage equality? |
mycritters2 |
Dec-17-08 02:01 PM |
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And he has been consistent on that, but he supports civil unions. My point was that he doesn't share |
GarbagemanLB |
Dec-17-08 02:05 PM |
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He's basically naming Warren as his pastor, his spiritual confidant. |
mycritters2 |
Dec-17-08 02:11 PM |
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Uh, where exactly has it been reported that Warren is now his spiritual advisor? |
GarbagemanLB |
Dec-17-08 02:12 PM |
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Uh, you didn't read the OP? |
mycritters2 |
Dec-17-08 02:13 PM |
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So you have an inside source on this? Awesome. Please keep us updated on the behind-the-scenes |
GarbagemanLB |
Dec-17-08 02:17 PM |
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Every time Warren visits the WH--which will be often--I'll post |
mycritters2 |
Dec-17-08 02:18 PM |
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The symbolism seems pretty clear to me. n/t |
sfexpat2000 |
Dec-17-08 02:20 PM |
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Tradition |
TechBear_Seattle |
Dec-17-08 03:46 PM |
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Considering all of the issues surrounding his last "spiritual advisor" |
Vash the Stampede |
Dec-17-08 03:51 PM |
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Whether nor not that will be the case, the choice is still highly significant |
TechBear_Seattle |
Dec-17-08 04:00 PM |
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Your concerns are not founded. |
Vash the Stampede |
Dec-17-08 04:08 PM |
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A 180? nt |
mycritters2 |
Dec-17-08 04:09 PM |
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A 180 = a complete reversal. |
Vash the Stampede |
Dec-17-08 04:10 PM |
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I get that. But how is this a 180? nt |
mycritters2 |
Dec-17-08 04:11 PM |
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I'm saying it's not. |
Vash the Stampede |
Dec-17-08 04:14 PM |
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This demonstrates that his stance is the same as it's always been... |
mycritters2 |
Dec-17-08 04:17 PM |
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He supports marriage equivalency. |
Vash the Stampede |
Dec-17-08 04:23 PM |
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No, He doesn't. He supports civil unions. Doesn't want them called "marriage". |
mycritters2 |
Dec-17-08 04:25 PM |
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Honest to god question: what is the difference? |
Vash the Stampede |
Dec-17-08 07:16 PM |
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The title matters. nt |
mycritters2 |
Dec-17-08 07:24 PM |
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How, practically speaking? |
Vash the Stampede |
Dec-18-08 07:57 AM |
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Obama is doing a 30, at the widest |
TechBear_Seattle |
Dec-17-08 08:03 PM |
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I might be straight, but I'm not "hopeless" and do not appreciate the label. |
Vash the Stampede |
Dec-18-08 07:56 AM |
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Agreed. n/t |
ChazII |
Dec-17-08 08:44 PM |
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They've pretty much always been Graham |
hileeopnyn8d |
Dec-17-08 04:33 PM |
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If you believe that the people who follow Warren are going to disappear..... |
FrenchieCat |
Dec-17-08 02:16 PM |
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oh, come on... |
hileeopnyn8d |
Dec-17-08 02:26 PM |
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I volunteered on his campaign. Hardly a "fuck you". |
mycritters2 |
Dec-17-08 02:32 PM |
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If it didn't signify, there would be no point in doing it. n/t |
sfexpat2000 |
Dec-17-08 02:36 PM |
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SNAP! |
ronnykmarshall |
Dec-17-08 02:47 PM |
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Why pick Rick Warren? |
yardwork |
Dec-17-08 03:28 PM |
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i am as horrified as you are |
musette_sf |
Dec-17-08 02:04 PM |
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I'm right there with you on this one. |
Hansel |
Dec-17-08 03:32 PM |
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thank you |
musette_sf |
Dec-17-08 03:59 PM |
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But the President (elect) |
polmaven |
Dec-17-08 03:12 PM |
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Actually, he opposes marriage equality. nt |
mycritters2 |
Dec-17-08 03:29 PM |
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I understand, |
polmaven |
Dec-17-08 05:40 PM |
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He's giving a known homophobe a national platform and greater visibility. |
LeftyMom |
Dec-17-08 02:21 PM |
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Not the first time, you know. |
QC |
Dec-17-08 02:24 PM |
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Oh, I remember. |
LeftyMom |
Dec-17-08 02:27 PM |
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and his church supported prop 8 |
ronnykmarshall |
Dec-17-08 02:49 PM |
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bwahahaha. |
cali |
Dec-17-08 02:10 PM |
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?? |
Fran Kubelik |
Dec-17-08 03:13 PM |
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Some good stuff on there too |
Truth2Tell |
Dec-17-08 01:54 PM |
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Plus John Williams and Itzhak Perlman... |
KoKo01 |
Dec-17-08 01:57 PM |
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dupe |
Truth2Tell |
Dec-17-08 01:54 PM |
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Ironic in that Obama voted against Robert's confirmation. |
FrenchieCat |
Dec-17-08 02:01 PM |
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no. it's NOT funny. |
musette_sf |
Dec-17-08 02:05 PM |
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It would be one thing if these folks (the Warren type) could simply be ignored |
FrenchieCat |
Dec-17-08 02:11 PM |
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People voting against gay civil rights are mostly older voters. |
sfexpat2000 |
Dec-17-08 02:24 PM |
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BUT! if Obama gives concessions (which he always said he would) to RW |
KoKo01 |
Dec-17-08 06:37 PM |
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lemons -> Frenchie Cat -> lemonade. |
hay rick |
Dec-17-08 07:31 PM |
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i am trying to take this calmly |
musette_sf |
Dec-17-08 02:02 PM |
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Perhaps because when a haters is included, |
FrenchieCat |
Dec-17-08 02:07 PM |
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Frenchie see this thread I started |
wndycty |
Dec-17-08 02:12 PM |
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I sure hope it's about strategy - that guy creeps me out! |
polichick |
Dec-17-08 02:12 PM |
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What strategy makes hate-mongering acceptable? nt |
mycritters2 |
Dec-17-08 02:16 PM |
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Maybe he was trying to get the hatemongering fundies to watch... |
polichick |
Dec-17-08 02:21 PM |
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I think that was what he was trying to do... Remember..he said he was all |
KoKo01 |
Dec-17-08 06:50 PM |
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But this isn't really simply inclusion. It's a kind of elevation of this horrible person. |
sfexpat2000 |
Dec-17-08 02:17 PM |
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Rick Warren is already elevated...... |
FrenchieCat |
Dec-17-08 02:30 PM |
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Sarah Palin is also elevated in their eyes. Maybe she can be given a spot. |
sfexpat2000 |
Dec-17-08 02:34 PM |
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The invocation is a powerful ritual to whom? and it matters to whom? |
FrenchieCat |
Dec-17-08 02:39 PM |
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You can't argue both that including Warren is important AND |
sfexpat2000 |
Dec-17-08 02:44 PM |
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Whatever happened to mainstream Christians? They care about things... |
polichick |
Dec-17-08 02:34 PM |
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Mainstream Christians also are not a group that can't stand Warren..... |
FrenchieCat |
Dec-17-08 02:41 PM |
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Seems like mainstream (Jesus-like) Christians are losing ground to these whackjobs. |
polichick |
Dec-17-08 02:43 PM |
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agreed |
musette_sf |
Dec-17-08 02:34 PM |
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Good idea. I'll do the same instead of this uselessness. |
sfexpat2000 |
Dec-17-08 02:37 PM |
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I've done the same. nt |
mycritters2 |
Dec-17-08 02:44 PM |
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Why the surprise? |
S_E_Fudd |
Dec-17-08 02:11 PM |
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For those with short memories.... |
Hell Hath No Fury |
Dec-17-08 02:11 PM |
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Was this really necessary? |
sfexpat2000 |
Dec-17-08 02:15 PM |
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I'd have done it!! |
mycritters2 |
Dec-17-08 02:17 PM |
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And I bet you would have done a great job. |
sfexpat2000 |
Dec-17-08 02:18 PM |
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This Warren bit is going to drive right wingers crazy! |
Bleachers7 |
Dec-17-08 02:23 PM |
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It already is. . . |
wndycty |
Dec-17-08 02:25 PM |
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Yes...it wil drive the RW'ers CRAZY! It will have the Cables and FAUX in a TIZZY... |
KoKo01 |
Dec-17-08 06:53 PM |
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I'd like to see a snake-handling preacher chosen |
Alhena |
Dec-17-08 02:29 PM |
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Plus, it would be entertaining! |
polichick |
Dec-17-08 02:35 PM |
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They see eye-to-eye on social justice issues? |
Harvey Korman |
Dec-17-08 02:30 PM |
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Hey, I have an Idea! Let's just have everyone hate everyone..... |
FrenchieCat |
Dec-17-08 02:37 PM |
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Change I Want To See: |
musette_sf |
Dec-17-08 02:38 PM |
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So like I said...be free to Hate. Hate them, hate Warren, |
FrenchieCat |
Dec-17-08 02:48 PM |
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ME peace is difficult to achieve |
musette_sf |
Dec-17-08 02:49 PM |
#63 |
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You've made my point. |
FrenchieCat |
Dec-17-08 03:07 PM |
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i did *not* "make your point"! |
musette_sf |
Dec-17-08 03:09 PM |
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So there is no hope in your opinion...... |
FrenchieCat |
Dec-17-08 03:20 PM |
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my concept of hope |
musette_sf |
Dec-17-08 03:24 PM |
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Would you consider emailing them, HK? n/t |
sfexpat2000 |
Dec-17-08 02:47 PM |
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Done, sfexpat |
Harvey Korman |
Dec-17-08 03:39 PM |
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Oh great. Big Prop 8 supporter. |
ronnykmarshall |
Dec-17-08 02:45 PM |
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Perhaps it's just a bigger bus that Obama has in mind..... |
FrenchieCat |
Dec-17-08 02:59 PM |
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I hope you're right. |
ronnykmarshall |
Dec-17-08 03:09 PM |
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It is why it is most meaningful right after Prop 8, because now is the time |
FrenchieCat |
Dec-17-08 03:15 PM |
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A fine bit of American political superficiality on display |
BeyondGeography |
Dec-17-08 02:51 PM |
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I tried to warn people here on DU that there was a fundie element to Obama's campaign... |
TheGoldenRule |
Dec-17-08 02:52 PM |
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That's because of the fundie element to this country |
alwysdrunk |
Dec-17-08 03:11 PM |
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What you are missing here is that fundies do NOT make up the entire population of the U.S. |
TheGoldenRule |
Dec-17-08 03:20 PM |
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Far from fringe |
alwysdrunk |
Dec-17-08 03:30 PM |
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That's the same one in four that still support George Bush. n/t |
sfexpat2000 |
Dec-17-08 03:40 PM |
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Yeah.... if only they would've listened to you, Obama could've been defeated |
scheming daemons |
Dec-17-08 03:27 PM |
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Sarah Palin was way scarier to me. nt |
TheGoldenRule |
Dec-17-08 08:26 PM |
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This is a brilliant move, unfortunately |
alwysdrunk |
Dec-17-08 03:07 PM |
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insulting women and gays |
musette_sf |
Dec-17-08 03:11 PM |
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Yes, unfortuantely |
alwysdrunk |
Dec-17-08 03:56 PM |
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translation: |
musette_sf |
Dec-17-08 03:58 PM |
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It could be a clever thing that he gets the RW/Evangelicals who lean Dem on his Side... |
KoKo01 |
Dec-17-08 06:42 PM |
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What huge segment of the population? |
sfexpat2000 |
Dec-17-08 03:26 PM |
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Sadly it was something like over 45 % who voted McCain/Barbie.... |
KoKo01 |
Dec-17-08 08:28 PM |
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This is seriously, seriously bad. |
terrya |
Dec-17-08 03:13 PM |
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Email them. Let's give the feedback Obama asked for. n/t |
sfexpat2000 |
Dec-17-08 03:27 PM |
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So, Joseph Lowery is chopped liver now? |
blogslut |
Dec-17-08 03:32 PM |
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Well, does the bigot on the front end cancel out the tolerant guy on the back end? |
sfexpat2000 |
Dec-17-08 05:55 PM |
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See? Obama's not mad about the "cone of silence." |
antfarm |
Dec-17-08 06:11 PM |
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How Does Everyone Like Change Now? |
lostnotforgotten |
Dec-17-08 07:28 PM |
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Give it a few months after Inauguration...then the Pitch Forks are Ready and Waiting... |
KoKo01 |
Dec-17-08 08:25 PM |
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Choosing Warren The Day He Is Inaugurated Was Not Wise |
lostnotforgotten |
Dec-18-08 06:49 AM |
#121 |
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