No Elephants
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Wed Dec-17-08 03:07 PM
Response to Reply #60 |
| 66. I have no clue why Clinton supporters would oppose Caroline. The issues in Hillary's run |
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Edited on Wed Dec-17-08 03:08 PM by No Elephants
for that seat seem to me to be very similar to those involved in Caroline's run--two smart well educated women who were known mostly because of a family member. Both lawyers. If anything, Caroline has done more on her own (and more successfully) than Hillary had when Hillary ran for the seat. And, yes, Hillary ran, but it is not Caroline's fault that the special election is two years from now and not now. And Caroline is a true blue Dem too. Sigh.
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| -kos: NY-Sen: Avoiding that pesky "democracy" thing |
cali |
Dec-16-08 07:02 AM |
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"American royalty". Didn't we fight a war from 1776 to 1781 to be rid of this shit? Of course, |
salguine |
Dec-16-08 07:14 AM |
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Yes, and it's apparently "anti-progressive" |
Moochy |
Dec-17-08 09:14 AM |
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Well, one of our founders had, himself, a son who ran for President and won. |
CTyankee |
Dec-17-08 05:33 PM |
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Kos is off base. The Senate isn't a lifetime appointment. |
dkf |
Dec-16-08 07:15 AM |
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But only a little off-base. |
Orsino |
Dec-16-08 07:24 AM |
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All I know is I'd give a few clams to Caroline Kennedy. |
dkf |
Dec-16-08 07:45 AM |
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Not following you. |
Orsino |
Dec-16-08 08:09 AM |
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She's the only one I'd donate to. |
dkf |
Dec-16-08 08:17 AM |
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Yeah, I don't see anything to dislike in her, either... |
Orsino |
Dec-16-08 08:43 AM |
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It sounds like she has a nice set of skills to work with. |
dkf |
Dec-16-08 09:22 AM |
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Rule rather than serve? Are you familiar with all the phenomenal, unpaid work she has done? |
No Elephants |
Dec-17-08 11:31 AM |
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That's why I like her so much. |
Orsino |
Dec-17-08 12:36 PM |
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She is the only one my upstate inlaws would support |
quiller4 |
Dec-16-08 09:00 AM |
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So you don't mean *actual* clams |
Bucky |
Dec-17-08 05:38 PM |
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A 'caretaker senator'? |
Warren Stupidity |
Dec-16-08 07:19 AM |
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Whoever gets the seat will have to run twice within the next four years. Caretaker, my foot. |
No Elephants |
Dec-17-08 11:33 AM |
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BOO HISS on Kos |
LynneSin |
Dec-16-08 07:31 AM |
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"An Icky Process" |
Crisco |
Dec-16-08 07:35 AM |
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The process by which Governors appoint vacant-seat Senators IS democracy. |
Old Crusoe |
Dec-16-08 07:40 AM |
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Democracy once-removed. |
Orsino |
Dec-16-08 10:57 AM |
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I get your point but the Constitution is clear. |
Old Crusoe |
Dec-16-08 08:12 PM |
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Is the constitution clear on this issue? |
Warren Stupidity |
Dec-17-08 07:40 AM |
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Given the range of states' individual provisions for said |
Old Crusoe |
Dec-17-08 08:49 AM |
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Blago has nothing to do with the NY appointment, though., Patterson is not Blago. |
No Elephants |
Dec-17-08 11:35 AM |
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As Benjamin Franklin said about John Adams... |
S_E_Fudd |
Dec-16-08 07:46 AM |
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Wait - weren't the Adams also a dynasty |
LynneSin |
Dec-16-08 07:47 AM |
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Yes. Kos is vital and I respect him, but he does go on these |
Old Crusoe |
Dec-16-08 07:56 AM |
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Can't any New Yorker ask the guv to be considered? |
panader0 |
Dec-16-08 07:46 AM |
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Of course, completely ignoring that this "democracy" thing put that law into place. |
Vash the Stampede |
Dec-16-08 07:51 AM |
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Yeah, but I think the governor is supposed to pick 'the best person possible' |
galaxy21 |
Dec-16-08 07:57 AM |
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There's no specific provision for limiting the Governor's choice, except |
Old Crusoe |
Dec-16-08 08:00 AM |
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But you're admitting she's not the best person for the job? |
galaxy21 |
Dec-16-08 08:03 AM |
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The duty to appoint is both privilege and power, |
Old Crusoe |
Dec-16-08 08:06 AM |
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Amy Winehouse is British |
Bleachers7 |
Dec-17-08 11:28 AM |
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Strongly agree. |
Old Crusoe |
Dec-16-08 07:58 AM |
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Why shouldn't Kennedy be the caretaker senator? |
uberllama42 |
Dec-16-08 08:09 AM |
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Kos Still Hasn't Figured Out How Badly He and His Site Got Pwned |
Crisco |
Dec-16-08 08:10 AM |
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'Pwned' used without any sense of irony |
Moochy |
Dec-17-08 09:11 AM |
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Who will be the "caretaker"? |
Kristi1696 |
Dec-16-08 08:11 AM |
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What's ridiculous is the fact the person who serves out the term |
mmonk |
Dec-16-08 08:11 AM |
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They were so blinded by anger over the idea of this |
Jake3463 |
Dec-16-08 09:04 AM |
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Anyone appointed avoids the "democracy" thing for two years and the guy needs a fact checker |
Jake3463 |
Dec-16-08 08:46 AM |
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I love kos, but what about the Constitution? The rules say this is cool....nt |
sohndrsmith |
Dec-16-08 08:47 AM |
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Guy totally got his facts wrong about Carnahan |
Jake3463 |
Dec-16-08 08:53 AM |
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Excellent point. |
Old Crusoe |
Dec-16-08 09:08 AM |
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Thanks Jake. |
MPK |
Dec-16-08 09:51 PM |
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have we ever had a caretaker Governor? I sure as heck hope not. |
sohndrsmith |
Dec-16-08 08:57 AM |
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Will wonders never cease!!!! |
Beacool |
Dec-16-08 09:21 AM |
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What's to stop the caretaker |
Jake3463 |
Dec-16-08 09:37 AM |
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I would prefer in that position someone with more experience. |
Beacool |
Dec-17-08 09:07 AM |
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Yes by forcing her to run 2 very expensive election campaigns in 4 years |
LynneSin |
Dec-17-08 08:50 AM |
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Kos is a Kennedy hater . He's not really a progressive/liberal |
Tom Rinaldo |
Dec-17-08 09:00 AM |
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oh nonsense. you know better than that. |
cali |
Dec-17-08 10:04 AM |
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cali - I was joking |
Tom Rinaldo |
Dec-17-08 11:03 AM |
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Sorry Kos, but I don't agree. Like you care, but... |
Hansel |
Dec-17-08 10:00 AM |
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For Christ's sake, there will be an election in 2010. |
Alexander |
Dec-17-08 11:04 AM |
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I know..it sounds like |
zidzi |
Dec-17-08 11:27 AM |
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AND 2012. The appointee will have to run twice in four years. Brutal. |
No Elephants |
Dec-17-08 11:36 AM |
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Yep. So this is actually more democratic than most Senate seats |
Alexander |
Dec-17-08 11:42 AM |
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bingo |
swampg8r |
Dec-17-08 11:58 AM |
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I have no clue why Clinton supporters would oppose Caroline. The issues in Hillary's run |
No Elephants |
Dec-17-08 03:07 PM |
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It seems like Hillary Clinton herself is now supporting Caroline Kennedy. |
Alexander |
Dec-17-08 05:27 PM |
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My response at dkos: |
mmonk |
Dec-17-08 11:20 AM |
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Good, but Caroline was born in NY and has lived there for some time. |
No Elephants |
Dec-17-08 11:38 AM |
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I believe I labeled her as a New York City dweller. |
mmonk |
Dec-17-08 03:10 PM |
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Good grief! The appointment IS the democratic process followed by elections in 2010 & 2012. |
AtomicKitten |
Dec-17-08 11:23 AM |
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How do you know in advance that an appointee will be only a placeholder? And, even if you could |
No Elephants |
Dec-17-08 11:27 AM |
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In a democracy, your last name is irrelevant. It should not get you an office, but it should not |
No Elephants |
Dec-17-08 11:43 AM |
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for the record, KKT ran a textbook horrible race in 02 |
Blue_Tires |
Dec-17-08 12:06 PM |
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kos' assumptions about whether CK would be elected are unsupported by history |
onenote |
Dec-17-08 12:20 PM |
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So, (1) NY state should forfeit 2 years of seniority & (2) the law is undemocratic |
Bucky |
Dec-17-08 05:37 PM |
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