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Tue Dec-16-08 01:42 PM
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| 108. Can the dropout rate be blamed on Duncan or the fact that inner-city |
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youth have so many challenges? I don't know what will work with or for the youth in Chicago, but Mr. Duncan is more qualified than I to figure it out.
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| -Obama's Education Pick Set To Drop Tomorrow: Arne Duncan |
babylonsister |
Dec-15-08 05:25 PM |
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Most thought he would go with his buddy Arne Duncan here |
BrentTaylor |
Dec-15-08 05:26 PM |
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My mother taught in the chicago public schools for 38 years... |
firedupdem |
Dec-15-08 05:35 PM |
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I am glad to see AFT approval |
proud2Blib |
Dec-15-08 05:39 PM |
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I was glad to see that too... |
firedupdem |
Dec-15-08 05:41 PM |
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The merit pay crap really turns me off though |
proud2Blib |
Dec-15-08 05:51 PM |
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I'm not sure how merit pay is determined? Who determines |
firedupdem |
Dec-16-08 09:29 AM |
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Hope he puts the focus back on Public Schools and not Charters |
goclark |
Dec-16-08 10:08 AM |
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"He's beloved by charter schools advocates. " |
Barack08 |
Dec-15-08 05:37 PM |
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Do you even know what a charter school is? |
Vash the Stampede |
Dec-15-08 08:12 PM |
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We have lots of them here |
proud2Blib |
Dec-15-08 10:20 PM |
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And they should be popular with Democrats too. |
Vash the Stampede |
Dec-16-08 05:16 AM |
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Is this a test? |
proud2Blib |
Dec-16-08 06:05 AM |
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Well, I'm not teaching to it, so it must not be a test. |
Vash the Stampede |
Dec-16-08 07:44 AM |
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1. They take money away from public schools |
proud2Blib |
Dec-16-08 08:22 AM |
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1) They ARE public schools. |
Vash the Stampede |
Dec-16-08 08:40 AM |
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1. Then they should have to follow the same rules as traditional public schools |
proud2Blib |
Dec-16-08 09:02 AM |
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You are applying your myopic experience to every charter that exists. |
Vash the Stampede |
Dec-16-08 09:33 AM |
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Okay it's time I asked if you are an educator |
proud2Blib |
Dec-16-08 09:49 AM |
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Definition |
Vash the Stampede |
Dec-16-08 10:31 AM |
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Gee, and what's your experience bub? Other than blithely bullshitting on an anonymous chat board. |
MadHound |
Dec-16-08 11:55 AM |
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I would say that someone who is a teacher has a pretty good perspective |
tigereye |
Dec-16-08 10:26 PM |
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Yep, now you sound like someone who is informed. |
Sorceress |
Dec-16-08 12:10 PM |
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Educrat Alert! Educrat Alert! |
BlueDogDemocratNH |
Dec-16-08 10:26 AM |
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Oh great, another one who thinks that they're an expert from behind their computer |
MadHound |
Dec-16-08 11:58 AM |
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More experience than you realize |
BlueDogDemocratNH |
Dec-16-08 01:43 PM |
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In other words you don't have any actual teaching experience, |
MadHound |
Dec-16-08 02:12 PM |
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So, only teachers can have an opinion on ed policy? |
BlueDogDemocratNH |
Dec-16-08 03:43 PM |
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A few differences |
MadHound |
Dec-16-08 04:21 PM |
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bravo! Well-said! |
tigereye |
Dec-16-08 10:39 PM |
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Hmmm |
BlueDogDemocratNH |
Dec-17-08 09:28 AM |
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yeah, but they don't want to redefine legal principles and process for them |
tigereye |
Dec-17-08 05:20 PM |
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I don't think union members put their "agenda" ahead of kids |
tigereye |
Dec-16-08 10:32 PM |
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I know exactly what they are ~ |
goclark |
Dec-16-08 10:09 AM |
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You obviously don't |
Vash the Stampede |
Dec-16-08 10:42 AM |
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I am well aware of that but the rules are different |
goclark |
Dec-16-08 11:45 AM |
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You don't know what you are talking about |
BlueDogDemocratNH |
Dec-16-08 10:25 AM |
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What is this dumb obsession with merit pay? |
proud2Blib |
Dec-15-08 05:38 PM |
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Outstanding questions, TO WHICH, you will not receive any |
Fire1 |
Dec-15-08 06:06 PM |
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Well thanks for at least reading them. |
proud2Blib |
Dec-15-08 06:08 PM |
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Merit pay system is a terrible idea. |
Elrond Hubbard |
Dec-15-08 08:14 PM |
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As the brother of someone who was a special education student |
Jake3463 |
Dec-16-08 05:51 AM |
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I don't know |
Jake3463 |
Dec-16-08 05:49 AM |
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Teachers don't compete for pay |
proud2Blib |
Dec-16-08 09:25 AM |
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That didn't answer the questions I posed |
Jake3463 |
Dec-16-08 09:28 AM |
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So many false talking points |
proud2Blib |
Dec-16-08 09:45 AM |
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I can think of 25% |
Jake3463 |
Dec-16-08 10:05 AM |
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Most of my good teachers in HS didn't have masters.. but they had undergrad degrees |
mwei924 |
Dec-16-08 10:33 PM |
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Exactly. This corporate "CEO" view of education is disturbing. These children are not... |
Sorceress |
Dec-16-08 12:19 PM |
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We have all had shitty teachers and we want them punished. |
harun |
Dec-16-08 06:29 AM |
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And we have all met obnoxious posters on line and want them punished |
proud2Blib |
Dec-16-08 08:25 AM |
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Posting online isn't my job, teaching was their's. |
harun |
Dec-16-08 10:04 AM |
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What's unfair? No competition means bad performance. |
alwysdrunk |
Dec-16-08 08:38 AM |
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How does the Art teacher compete? The nurse? |
proud2Blib |
Dec-16-08 09:04 AM |
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Evalute them on a different scale perhaps? |
Hippo_Tron |
Dec-16-08 10:41 PM |
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Not so. Children are not commodities. |
Fire1 |
Dec-16-08 01:46 PM |
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Add another item - merit pay is almost never given out fairly. |
electron_blue |
Dec-16-08 11:00 AM |
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If the AFT and NEA likes him, he is good. |
Uzybone |
Dec-15-08 05:39 PM |
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I posted this earlier today: |
proud2Blib |
Dec-15-08 05:41 PM |
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Check out this video of him. He is impressive |
BrentTaylor |
Dec-15-08 05:47 PM |
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Thanks Brent! He sounds like a smart guy who has some common |
firedupdem |
Dec-15-08 05:53 PM |
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It's better for the kids and the |
zidzi |
Dec-15-08 06:41 PM |
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That's just one issue |
proud2Blib |
Dec-15-08 06:04 PM |
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thanks.... |
gblady |
Dec-15-08 06:08 PM |
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I was hoping Obama would appoint Robert Wuhl |
IanDB1 |
Dec-15-08 05:49 PM |
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Bad news |
GoesTo11 |
Dec-15-08 05:53 PM |
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Yes, I'm sure he'll be chosen for his height and ability to play basketball. nt |
babylonsister |
Dec-15-08 05:56 PM |
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He was Obama's old basketball buddy. |
GoesTo11 |
Dec-15-08 06:33 PM |
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So you honestly think Obama would pick this guy because he wants |
babylonsister |
Dec-15-08 06:34 PM |
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Well, he didn't appoint Robert Reich. |
GoesTo11 |
Dec-15-08 06:42 PM |
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Hahaha! I'm sure there were reasons for that, too, other than his height. nt |
babylonsister |
Dec-15-08 06:48 PM |
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But he has appointed short folks. |
FrenchieCat |
Dec-15-08 06:56 PM |
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Susan Rice is tiny--when she spoke that day Obama named her UN Ambassador, |
Alter Ego |
Dec-16-08 08:04 AM |
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I'm not sure where you are getting what you are getting, but..... |
FrenchieCat |
Dec-15-08 06:04 PM |
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Merit pay |
proud2Blib |
Dec-15-08 06:08 PM |
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Obama also supports merit pay though. |
mwei924 |
Dec-15-08 06:35 PM |
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"Favors metrics" |
GoesTo11 |
Dec-15-08 06:38 PM |
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We test 12 weeks a year in my school district |
proud2Blib |
Dec-15-08 10:17 PM |
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The merit pay that Obama supports isn't the standard |
FrenchieCat |
Dec-15-08 06:41 PM |
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I've read his proposal |
proud2Blib |
Dec-15-08 10:19 PM |
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Color me skeptical. |
ananda |
Dec-15-08 05:54 PM |
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Great, but I don't expect the media to cover it much |
Truth Hurts A Lot |
Dec-15-08 06:00 PM |
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Please let him listen to |
countingbluecars |
Dec-15-08 06:12 PM |
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More on Duncan... |
babylonsister |
Dec-15-08 07:56 PM |
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Not impressed with this guy, I was hoping that Obama would appoint Darling-Hammond |
MadHound |
Dec-15-08 10:47 PM |
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I'm afraid you are right. |
Jakes Progress |
Dec-16-08 06:01 AM |
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LOL The people on this board are hilarious |
BrentTaylor |
Dec-16-08 07:40 AM |
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Your cryptic reply seems |
Jakes Progress |
Dec-16-08 11:10 AM |
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You don't even know the education policy yet |
BrentTaylor |
Dec-16-08 11:31 AM |
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Well, considering that this man helped Obama shape his educatioin policy |
MadHound |
Dec-16-08 11:49 AM |
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Linda Darling-Hammond helped write Obama's Education plan |
BrentTaylor |
Dec-16-08 03:02 PM |
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And your point is? |
MadHound |
Dec-16-08 03:10 PM |
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There is no evidence to suggest she didn't have any input |
BrentTaylor |
Dec-16-08 04:28 PM |
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You don't even know Duncan's ed policy. |
Jakes Progress |
Dec-16-08 11:51 AM |
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Linda Darling-Hammond helped write Obama's Education plan |
BrentTaylor |
Dec-16-08 03:03 PM |
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Then why didn't he name her? |
Jakes Progress |
Dec-16-08 06:37 PM |
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I think Darling-Hammond would have been a wiser pick. |
makinguphumans |
Dec-16-08 08:16 AM |
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A Hammond appointment would give Obama more headaches.. |
mwei924 |
Dec-16-08 06:46 PM |
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Yet Hammond has much better relations with the unions |
MadHound |
Dec-16-08 09:27 PM |
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He probably doesn't want to pick anyone who is firmly on one side of the issue. |
mwei924 |
Dec-16-08 09:37 PM |
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What about Dean? Is he going to get shafted? |
harun |
Dec-16-08 06:27 AM |
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Yeah, where is Deanie anyway? He has a lot to contribute. |
Sorceress |
Dec-16-08 12:24 PM |
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Merit pay for |
Bluenorthwest |
Dec-16-08 08:00 AM |
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Well, he wouldn't have been my pick, but he's a damn sight better |
Alter Ego |
Dec-16-08 08:04 AM |
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So we have a high stackes number pushing NCLB Secretary. I |
makinguphumans |
Dec-16-08 08:10 AM |
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Do share what his policy on NCLB will be. I'm all ears, because he |
babylonsister |
Dec-16-08 08:17 AM |
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Precisely. He has NOT said. Its time to scrap it and start anew. Put |
makinguphumans |
Dec-16-08 08:20 AM |
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He hasn't even been officially announced yet and is in no position |
babylonsister |
Dec-16-08 08:22 AM |
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If he supports NCLB and merit pay I oppose him |
proud2Blib |
Dec-16-08 08:32 AM |
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Again, we don't know what his agenda will be. |
babylonsister |
Dec-16-08 08:42 AM |
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I don't mean to be argumentative |
proud2Blib |
Dec-16-08 09:21 AM |
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Ha! I always wonder when |
babylonsister |
Dec-16-08 09:38 AM |
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I need some details |
proud2Blib |
Dec-16-08 09:56 AM |
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What do you propose to do about mediocre teachers? |
EduConsumer |
Dec-16-08 12:49 PM |
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Define 'mediocre.' And welcome to DU. n/t |
YvonneCa |
Dec-16-08 10:24 PM |
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Obama supports universal preschool. As a soon to be preschool teacher |
Jennicut |
Dec-16-08 08:38 AM |
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I just posted about universal preschool |
proud2Blib |
Dec-16-08 09:27 AM |
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Watered down preschool is better then none at all. |
Jennicut |
Dec-16-08 10:17 AM |
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Of course I agree |
proud2Blib |
Dec-16-08 10:52 AM |
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Yes, I really hope we someday have a good program in place for young children |
Jennicut |
Dec-16-08 12:10 PM |
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Well, I was hoping for Joel Klein |
Bleachers7 |
Dec-16-08 09:50 AM |
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He sounds good to me. |
Odin2005 |
Dec-16-08 09:52 AM |
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Decent compromise pick |
BlueDogDemocratNH |
Dec-16-08 10:29 AM |
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I don't know this guy, but after today's presser, I'm sold! |
Truth Hurts A Lot |
Dec-16-08 10:53 AM |
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I'm leaning favorable on this one... |
Aya Reiko |
Dec-16-08 11:02 AM |
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He is in the middle between the unions and school reformers |
Jennicut |
Dec-16-08 12:24 PM |
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Ran Chicago schools into the GROUND is more like it... |
FarceOfNature |
Dec-16-08 12:04 PM |
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Why don't you back that statement up? People who don't live in |
babylonsister |
Dec-16-08 01:22 PM |
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Chicago schools have one of the highest dropout rates. |
FarceOfNature |
Dec-16-08 01:27 PM |
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Can the dropout rate be blamed on Duncan or the fact that inner-city |
babylonsister |
Dec-16-08 01:42 PM |
#108 |
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Of course he is not to "blame" for the entire issue.. |
FarceOfNature |
Dec-16-08 01:45 PM |
#110 |
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