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Tue Dec-16-08 11:31 AM
Response to Reply #92 |
| 93. You don't even know the education policy yet |
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Edited on Tue Dec-16-08 11:33 AM by BrentTaylor
and you're already claiming "We won't be improving education in America any time soon". How the hell do you know? Obama hasn't even set the policy yet. You don't know how much he is going to invest in Education. Funding is one of the biggest issues. Obama is also a big advocate of early education. That alone with the proper funding will be a huge improvement. So for you to make such a ridiculous blanket statement is hilarious.
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| -Obama's Education Pick Set To Drop Tomorrow: Arne Duncan |
babylonsister |
Dec-15-08 05:25 PM |
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Most thought he would go with his buddy Arne Duncan here |
BrentTaylor |
Dec-15-08 05:26 PM |
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My mother taught in the chicago public schools for 38 years... |
firedupdem |
Dec-15-08 05:35 PM |
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I am glad to see AFT approval |
proud2Blib |
Dec-15-08 05:39 PM |
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I was glad to see that too... |
firedupdem |
Dec-15-08 05:41 PM |
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The merit pay crap really turns me off though |
proud2Blib |
Dec-15-08 05:51 PM |
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I'm not sure how merit pay is determined? Who determines |
firedupdem |
Dec-16-08 09:29 AM |
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Hope he puts the focus back on Public Schools and not Charters |
goclark |
Dec-16-08 10:08 AM |
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"He's beloved by charter schools advocates. " |
Barack08 |
Dec-15-08 05:37 PM |
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Do you even know what a charter school is? |
Vash the Stampede |
Dec-15-08 08:12 PM |
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We have lots of them here |
proud2Blib |
Dec-15-08 10:20 PM |
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And they should be popular with Democrats too. |
Vash the Stampede |
Dec-16-08 05:16 AM |
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Is this a test? |
proud2Blib |
Dec-16-08 06:05 AM |
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Well, I'm not teaching to it, so it must not be a test. |
Vash the Stampede |
Dec-16-08 07:44 AM |
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1. They take money away from public schools |
proud2Blib |
Dec-16-08 08:22 AM |
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1) They ARE public schools. |
Vash the Stampede |
Dec-16-08 08:40 AM |
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1. Then they should have to follow the same rules as traditional public schools |
proud2Blib |
Dec-16-08 09:02 AM |
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You are applying your myopic experience to every charter that exists. |
Vash the Stampede |
Dec-16-08 09:33 AM |
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Okay it's time I asked if you are an educator |
proud2Blib |
Dec-16-08 09:49 AM |
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Definition |
Vash the Stampede |
Dec-16-08 10:31 AM |
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Gee, and what's your experience bub? Other than blithely bullshitting on an anonymous chat board. |
MadHound |
Dec-16-08 11:55 AM |
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I would say that someone who is a teacher has a pretty good perspective |
tigereye |
Dec-16-08 10:26 PM |
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Yep, now you sound like someone who is informed. |
Sorceress |
Dec-16-08 12:10 PM |
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Educrat Alert! Educrat Alert! |
BlueDogDemocratNH |
Dec-16-08 10:26 AM |
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Oh great, another one who thinks that they're an expert from behind their computer |
MadHound |
Dec-16-08 11:58 AM |
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More experience than you realize |
BlueDogDemocratNH |
Dec-16-08 01:43 PM |
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In other words you don't have any actual teaching experience, |
MadHound |
Dec-16-08 02:12 PM |
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So, only teachers can have an opinion on ed policy? |
BlueDogDemocratNH |
Dec-16-08 03:43 PM |
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A few differences |
MadHound |
Dec-16-08 04:21 PM |
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bravo! Well-said! |
tigereye |
Dec-16-08 10:39 PM |
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Hmmm |
BlueDogDemocratNH |
Dec-17-08 09:28 AM |
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yeah, but they don't want to redefine legal principles and process for them |
tigereye |
Dec-17-08 05:20 PM |
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I don't think union members put their "agenda" ahead of kids |
tigereye |
Dec-16-08 10:32 PM |
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I know exactly what they are ~ |
goclark |
Dec-16-08 10:09 AM |
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You obviously don't |
Vash the Stampede |
Dec-16-08 10:42 AM |
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I am well aware of that but the rules are different |
goclark |
Dec-16-08 11:45 AM |
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You don't know what you are talking about |
BlueDogDemocratNH |
Dec-16-08 10:25 AM |
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What is this dumb obsession with merit pay? |
proud2Blib |
Dec-15-08 05:38 PM |
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Outstanding questions, TO WHICH, you will not receive any |
Fire1 |
Dec-15-08 06:06 PM |
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Well thanks for at least reading them. |
proud2Blib |
Dec-15-08 06:08 PM |
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Merit pay system is a terrible idea. |
Elrond Hubbard |
Dec-15-08 08:14 PM |
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As the brother of someone who was a special education student |
Jake3463 |
Dec-16-08 05:51 AM |
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I don't know |
Jake3463 |
Dec-16-08 05:49 AM |
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Teachers don't compete for pay |
proud2Blib |
Dec-16-08 09:25 AM |
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That didn't answer the questions I posed |
Jake3463 |
Dec-16-08 09:28 AM |
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So many false talking points |
proud2Blib |
Dec-16-08 09:45 AM |
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I can think of 25% |
Jake3463 |
Dec-16-08 10:05 AM |
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Most of my good teachers in HS didn't have masters.. but they had undergrad degrees |
mwei924 |
Dec-16-08 10:33 PM |
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Exactly. This corporate "CEO" view of education is disturbing. These children are not... |
Sorceress |
Dec-16-08 12:19 PM |
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We have all had shitty teachers and we want them punished. |
harun |
Dec-16-08 06:29 AM |
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And we have all met obnoxious posters on line and want them punished |
proud2Blib |
Dec-16-08 08:25 AM |
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Posting online isn't my job, teaching was their's. |
harun |
Dec-16-08 10:04 AM |
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What's unfair? No competition means bad performance. |
alwysdrunk |
Dec-16-08 08:38 AM |
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How does the Art teacher compete? The nurse? |
proud2Blib |
Dec-16-08 09:04 AM |
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Evalute them on a different scale perhaps? |
Hippo_Tron |
Dec-16-08 10:41 PM |
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Not so. Children are not commodities. |
Fire1 |
Dec-16-08 01:46 PM |
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Add another item - merit pay is almost never given out fairly. |
electron_blue |
Dec-16-08 11:00 AM |
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If the AFT and NEA likes him, he is good. |
Uzybone |
Dec-15-08 05:39 PM |
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I posted this earlier today: |
proud2Blib |
Dec-15-08 05:41 PM |
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Check out this video of him. He is impressive |
BrentTaylor |
Dec-15-08 05:47 PM |
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Thanks Brent! He sounds like a smart guy who has some common |
firedupdem |
Dec-15-08 05:53 PM |
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It's better for the kids and the |
zidzi |
Dec-15-08 06:41 PM |
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That's just one issue |
proud2Blib |
Dec-15-08 06:04 PM |
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thanks.... |
gblady |
Dec-15-08 06:08 PM |
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I was hoping Obama would appoint Robert Wuhl |
IanDB1 |
Dec-15-08 05:49 PM |
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Bad news |
GoesTo11 |
Dec-15-08 05:53 PM |
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Yes, I'm sure he'll be chosen for his height and ability to play basketball. nt |
babylonsister |
Dec-15-08 05:56 PM |
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He was Obama's old basketball buddy. |
GoesTo11 |
Dec-15-08 06:33 PM |
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So you honestly think Obama would pick this guy because he wants |
babylonsister |
Dec-15-08 06:34 PM |
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Well, he didn't appoint Robert Reich. |
GoesTo11 |
Dec-15-08 06:42 PM |
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Hahaha! I'm sure there were reasons for that, too, other than his height. nt |
babylonsister |
Dec-15-08 06:48 PM |
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But he has appointed short folks. |
FrenchieCat |
Dec-15-08 06:56 PM |
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Susan Rice is tiny--when she spoke that day Obama named her UN Ambassador, |
Alter Ego |
Dec-16-08 08:04 AM |
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I'm not sure where you are getting what you are getting, but..... |
FrenchieCat |
Dec-15-08 06:04 PM |
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Merit pay |
proud2Blib |
Dec-15-08 06:08 PM |
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Obama also supports merit pay though. |
mwei924 |
Dec-15-08 06:35 PM |
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"Favors metrics" |
GoesTo11 |
Dec-15-08 06:38 PM |
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We test 12 weeks a year in my school district |
proud2Blib |
Dec-15-08 10:17 PM |
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The merit pay that Obama supports isn't the standard |
FrenchieCat |
Dec-15-08 06:41 PM |
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I've read his proposal |
proud2Blib |
Dec-15-08 10:19 PM |
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Color me skeptical. |
ananda |
Dec-15-08 05:54 PM |
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Great, but I don't expect the media to cover it much |
Truth Hurts A Lot |
Dec-15-08 06:00 PM |
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Please let him listen to |
countingbluecars |
Dec-15-08 06:12 PM |
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More on Duncan... |
babylonsister |
Dec-15-08 07:56 PM |
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Not impressed with this guy, I was hoping that Obama would appoint Darling-Hammond |
MadHound |
Dec-15-08 10:47 PM |
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I'm afraid you are right. |
Jakes Progress |
Dec-16-08 06:01 AM |
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LOL The people on this board are hilarious |
BrentTaylor |
Dec-16-08 07:40 AM |
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Your cryptic reply seems |
Jakes Progress |
Dec-16-08 11:10 AM |
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You don't even know the education policy yet |
BrentTaylor |
Dec-16-08 11:31 AM |
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Well, considering that this man helped Obama shape his educatioin policy |
MadHound |
Dec-16-08 11:49 AM |
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Linda Darling-Hammond helped write Obama's Education plan |
BrentTaylor |
Dec-16-08 03:02 PM |
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And your point is? |
MadHound |
Dec-16-08 03:10 PM |
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There is no evidence to suggest she didn't have any input |
BrentTaylor |
Dec-16-08 04:28 PM |
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You don't even know Duncan's ed policy. |
Jakes Progress |
Dec-16-08 11:51 AM |
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Linda Darling-Hammond helped write Obama's Education plan |
BrentTaylor |
Dec-16-08 03:03 PM |
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Then why didn't he name her? |
Jakes Progress |
Dec-16-08 06:37 PM |
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I think Darling-Hammond would have been a wiser pick. |
makinguphumans |
Dec-16-08 08:16 AM |
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A Hammond appointment would give Obama more headaches.. |
mwei924 |
Dec-16-08 06:46 PM |
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Yet Hammond has much better relations with the unions |
MadHound |
Dec-16-08 09:27 PM |
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He probably doesn't want to pick anyone who is firmly on one side of the issue. |
mwei924 |
Dec-16-08 09:37 PM |
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What about Dean? Is he going to get shafted? |
harun |
Dec-16-08 06:27 AM |
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Yeah, where is Deanie anyway? He has a lot to contribute. |
Sorceress |
Dec-16-08 12:24 PM |
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Merit pay for |
Bluenorthwest |
Dec-16-08 08:00 AM |
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Well, he wouldn't have been my pick, but he's a damn sight better |
Alter Ego |
Dec-16-08 08:04 AM |
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So we have a high stackes number pushing NCLB Secretary. I |
makinguphumans |
Dec-16-08 08:10 AM |
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Do share what his policy on NCLB will be. I'm all ears, because he |
babylonsister |
Dec-16-08 08:17 AM |
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Precisely. He has NOT said. Its time to scrap it and start anew. Put |
makinguphumans |
Dec-16-08 08:20 AM |
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He hasn't even been officially announced yet and is in no position |
babylonsister |
Dec-16-08 08:22 AM |
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If he supports NCLB and merit pay I oppose him |
proud2Blib |
Dec-16-08 08:32 AM |
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Again, we don't know what his agenda will be. |
babylonsister |
Dec-16-08 08:42 AM |
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I don't mean to be argumentative |
proud2Blib |
Dec-16-08 09:21 AM |
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Ha! I always wonder when |
babylonsister |
Dec-16-08 09:38 AM |
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I need some details |
proud2Blib |
Dec-16-08 09:56 AM |
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What do you propose to do about mediocre teachers? |
EduConsumer |
Dec-16-08 12:49 PM |
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Define 'mediocre.' And welcome to DU. n/t |
YvonneCa |
Dec-16-08 10:24 PM |
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Obama supports universal preschool. As a soon to be preschool teacher |
Jennicut |
Dec-16-08 08:38 AM |
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I just posted about universal preschool |
proud2Blib |
Dec-16-08 09:27 AM |
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Watered down preschool is better then none at all. |
Jennicut |
Dec-16-08 10:17 AM |
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Of course I agree |
proud2Blib |
Dec-16-08 10:52 AM |
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Yes, I really hope we someday have a good program in place for young children |
Jennicut |
Dec-16-08 12:10 PM |
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Well, I was hoping for Joel Klein |
Bleachers7 |
Dec-16-08 09:50 AM |
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He sounds good to me. |
Odin2005 |
Dec-16-08 09:52 AM |
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Decent compromise pick |
BlueDogDemocratNH |
Dec-16-08 10:29 AM |
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I don't know this guy, but after today's presser, I'm sold! |
Truth Hurts A Lot |
Dec-16-08 10:53 AM |
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I'm leaning favorable on this one... |
Aya Reiko |
Dec-16-08 11:02 AM |
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He is in the middle between the unions and school reformers |
Jennicut |
Dec-16-08 12:24 PM |
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Ran Chicago schools into the GROUND is more like it... |
FarceOfNature |
Dec-16-08 12:04 PM |
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Why don't you back that statement up? People who don't live in |
babylonsister |
Dec-16-08 01:22 PM |
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Chicago schools have one of the highest dropout rates. |
FarceOfNature |
Dec-16-08 01:27 PM |
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Can the dropout rate be blamed on Duncan or the fact that inner-city |
babylonsister |
Dec-16-08 01:42 PM |
#108 |
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Of course he is not to "blame" for the entire issue.. |
FarceOfNature |
Dec-16-08 01:45 PM |
#110 |
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