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144. If you cannot see the difference between Caroline Kennedy and, say, Dick Cheney
then there's not much common ground here. Cheney is a good example because he became the most powerful man in the world even tho he was not in any kind of dynastic family. Indeed, he flunked out of Yale because he felt inferior to the students there who were from the families you write about, the ones in "the club". It so embittered him that he operated on a grudge basis from then on against the same people in the same club that you vehemently oppose and led him to his zealous pursuit of power.

I think it is instructive to see what such bitterness can wreak upon the world...
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  -MSNBC's First Read: "Caroline vs. the Clintons?" ClarkUSA  Dec-15-08 09:14 AM   #0 
  - I will give up my support of Caroline Kennedy IF  floridablue   Dec-15-08 09:20 AM   #1 
  - In regards to Jennifer Lopez, to be fooled by the rocks that she got...  wyldwolf   Dec-15-08 09:24 AM   #2 
     - No one should be fooled.. i am sure with all the rocks shes got  Sebass1271   Dec-15-08 01:54 PM   #65 
  - I have yet to see a statement by Senator Clinton about this issue  prodn2000   Dec-15-08 09:25 AM   #3 
  - That's how I see it, also. I don't believe any of these people represent  Arkansas Granny   Dec-15-08 10:04 AM   #15 
  - Yes, the headline is BS  rvablue   Dec-15-08 04:37 PM   #114 
  - Exactly. Makes better news to stir up the pot though.  kikiek   Dec-16-08 07:37 AM   #138 
  - This is exactly what I guessed was happening, and we can see it in a  pnwmom   Dec-15-08 09:25 AM   #4 
  - Deleted sub-thread  Name removed   Dec-15-08 10:01 AM   #14 
  - Well, Hold It  Crisco   Dec-15-08 11:15 AM   #30 
  - "A taste of their own medicine?"  karynnj   Dec-15-08 11:55 AM   #41 
  - I Can Only Assume  Crisco   Dec-15-08 01:16 PM   #56 
     - Of course I was here  karynnj   Dec-15-08 01:30 PM   #60 
  - "A taste of their own medicine"?  zidzi   Dec-15-08 04:00 PM   #99 
  - Actually I am supporting Caroline, and I have seen many known Hillary supporters doing the same.  kikiek   Dec-16-08 07:39 AM   #139 
  - Caroline Kennedy is simply unqualified  Onlooker   Dec-15-08 09:38 AM   #5 
  - Don't worry, she'll run in 2010 and 2012..let the other NY Dems run against her  BluegrassDem   Dec-15-08 09:46 AM   #6 
  - There will be no dem primary.  Bleachers7   Dec-15-08 09:55 AM   #9 
  - She's no more qualified than Hillary was in 2000.  Bleachers7   Dec-15-08 09:54 AM   #8 
  - Hillary ran. she wasn't appointed.  cali   Dec-15-08 09:58 AM   #10 
  - There is no option to run, so what do we do now?  Bleachers7   Dec-15-08 09:59 AM   #12 
  - That's something Paterson will have to figure out.  cali   Dec-15-08 10:05 AM   #16 
  - She was given the nomination as everyone else ceded it to her  karynnj   Dec-15-08 11:57 AM   #42 
     - And she ran against a weak candidate when Giuliani dropped out.  Alexander   Dec-16-08 12:06 PM   #174 
  - Bingo.  Lucky 13   Dec-15-08 11:22 AM   #32 
     - Caroline's not "running."  dbaker41   Dec-15-08 03:18 PM   #77 
        - So? Does that mean she's less qualified?  Lucky 13   Dec-16-08 11:28 AM   #164 
  - She's raised over $350 million as the chief fundraiser for the NYC Department  pnwmom   Dec-15-08 11:14 AM   #29 
  - What exactly did she do to raise the money?  Onlooker   Dec-15-08 09:29 PM   #126 
  - "obsessed"? What makes you think that? She writes about her family sometimes but not ALL  CTyankee   Dec-15-08 12:59 PM   #52 
  - Strom Thurmond was "unqualified" for DECADES  SoCalDem   Dec-16-08 04:07 AM   #137 
  - She is qualified and trustworthy. Which I can't say about a whole  harun   Dec-16-08 08:22 AM   #147 
  - She is as qualified as Hillary was when she ran. Period.  Lucky 13   Dec-16-08 12:11 PM   #175 
  - Nope. We just don't have "royalty" in this country.  dbaker41   Dec-16-08 02:09 PM   #191 
  - beyond the lawyer thing they both share and being a part of a  roguevalley   Dec-16-08 03:33 PM   #192 
  - I wonder if Weiner, Ackerman, and Silver said the same things about Hillary in 2000.  Bleachers7   Dec-15-08 09:53 AM   #7 
  - Robert F Kennedy had NO electoral experience ? What BS!  saracat   Dec-15-08 09:58 AM   #11 
  - What "experience" did Hillary have?  Bleachers7   Dec-15-08 10:01 AM   #13 
  - HIllary was part of the national scene for ages. She worked for several presidential and  saracat   Dec-15-08 10:12 AM   #17 
     - Caroline headed up the VP vetting process along with Eric Holder, the incoming AG.  ClarkUSA   Dec-15-08 10:21 AM   #20 
     - That is hardly being actively involved. Vetting isn't campaigning and neither is giving a few  saracat   Dec-15-08 10:26 PM   #129 
        - You've got to be kidding. Vetting Obama's VP pick is "hardly being actively involved"?  ClarkUSA   Dec-16-08 11:06 AM   #157 
           - You seem to think she did it alone and was a lot more invoved than was indicated.  saracat   Dec-16-08 12:14 PM   #176 
              - No, that's not what I think at all, but you act like Caroline did nothing important when she did.  ClarkUSA   Dec-16-08 12:30 PM   #178 
     - If 8 years is ages, then Caroline has been involved for a lifetime.  Bleachers7   Dec-15-08 10:36 AM   #22 
     - 8 years ago, Hillary had no Official Experience. This year she ran for President  Billy Shears   Dec-15-08 11:37 AM   #35 
     - Caroline worked in at least one campaign office and spoke of it in 2004  karynnj   Dec-15-08 12:07 PM   #46 
     - Never mind. Real experience on the campaign trail is obviously of no importance to some. Whatever.  saracat   Dec-15-08 10:21 PM   #128 
        - Yeah, she has real campaign trail experience with poorly managed, ineffectual, campaign FAILURES.  Lucky 13   Dec-16-08 12:38 PM   #181 
           - Really? Don't know much if anything about the Clinton Presidential campaigns do ya?  saracat   Dec-16-08 01:25 PM   #188 
              - I know she was his WIFE while he was running.  Lucky 13   Dec-16-08 01:27 PM   #189 
                 - Hillary was the originator and guiding force behind the famous Clinton War Room  saracat   Dec-16-08 01:58 PM   #190 
     - Involvement in a CAMPAIGN does not qualify one for office!  Lucky 13   Dec-16-08 12:35 PM   #180 
  - Caroline will have to be elected -- twice -- if she is to retain this seat.  pnwmom   Dec-15-08 11:16 AM   #31 
  - i love that she is interested.  psychmommy   Dec-15-08 10:16 AM   #18 
  - Isn't that the same problem Chris Matthews will run into?  Blu Dahlia   Dec-15-08 10:19 AM   #19 
  - Not so much... PA Gov. Rendell et al are mature enough not to hold primary grudges  ClarkUSA   Dec-15-08 10:32 AM   #21 
  - Rendell clearly demonstrates both sexism and racism ... with as side of diarrhea of the mouth.  ShortnFiery   Dec-15-08 03:29 PM   #86 
  - Too funny! This is ONE topic = No Matthews for PA Senate = that Hillary fans and I concur ...  ShortnFiery   Dec-15-08 03:27 PM   #84 
  - N.Y.S. may have another  disndat   Dec-15-08 10:36 AM   #23 
  - What state do you live in?  Bleachers7   Dec-15-08 10:38 AM   #25 
  - People from outside of NY that are worried about this should get lost.  Bleachers7   Dec-15-08 10:36 AM   #24 
  - LOL  ClarkUSA   Dec-15-08 01:31 PM   #61 
  - Interesting that you're still buying into the media's divisivness. I'm a huge Hillary supporter and  MetricSystem   Dec-15-08 10:53 AM   #26 
  - Your personal reaction does not disprove media observations of who's been publicly dissing Caroline  ClarkUSA   Dec-15-08 11:05 AM   #27 
     - Aw bullshit. But you bought into it and look at this thread. The ugliness of the campaign is back.  kikiek   Dec-16-08 07:42 AM   #140 
        - lol! You're one to preach about being "real classy" with that language!  ClarkUSA   Dec-16-08 08:09 AM   #143 
           - They are trying to sell something. Apparently so are you. You're full of it so  kikiek   Dec-16-08 08:21 AM   #146 
              - Stop disrupting this thread with your personal attacks. Is that the only reason you're here?  ClarkUSA   Dec-16-08 08:55 AM   #148 
                 - Oh you weren't looking for trouble with that post. Hahaha yeah sure.  kikiek   Dec-16-08 06:24 PM   #194 
                    - Still here? You sure are looking for trouble with your replies on this thread, eh?  ClarkUSA   Dec-17-08 08:17 AM   #198 
  - I'm tired of making this argument, but here it goes again.  Beacool   Dec-15-08 11:08 AM   #28 
  - if a non-New Yorker can be elected, a New Yorker can be appointed  Billy Shears   Dec-15-08 11:40 AM   #36 
  - What is RFKjr's track record - other than endorsing HRC, who lost  karynnj   Dec-15-08 12:13 PM   #48 
  - Look at it this way: Caroline Kennedy knows her name and persona can help Obama  CTyankee   Dec-15-08 01:06 PM   #54 
  - You're echoing an assessment in the current New York magazine story, "The Cinderella Kennedy"  ClarkUSA   Dec-15-08 01:17 PM   #57 
  - Gawd, that's funny! I never read that piece but it sure does mirror what I said!  CTyankee   Dec-15-08 01:37 PM   #62 
     - GMTA, obviously ; )  ClarkUSA   Dec-15-08 02:03 PM   #68 
        - My sentiments entirely! I couldn't have said it better.  CTyankee   Dec-15-08 03:41 PM   #93 
           - Sure...  ClarkUSA   Dec-15-08 06:24 PM   #122 
              - Right back atcha! Thanks for the GMTA translation. I'm flattered!  CTyankee   Dec-15-08 06:40 PM   #123 
                 - It's been a pleasure.  ClarkUSA   Dec-16-08 09:01 AM   #149 
                    - It's a deal!  CTyankee   Dec-16-08 11:21 AM   #162 
                       - Good.  ClarkUSA   Dec-16-08 12:52 PM   #186 
                          - sure thing! a good road ahead (if tough)...n/t  CTyankee   Dec-16-08 01:18 PM   #187 
  - "She just wants to give back." ... No, a good part of it is for family dynasty ...  ShortnFiery   Dec-15-08 03:32 PM   #88 
  - I think if she wanted dynasty she would have become more active earlier  CTyankee   Dec-15-08 04:08 PM   #105 
     - It's all a BIG CLUB ... and you and I are not in it.  ShortnFiery   Dec-15-08 10:16 PM   #127 
        - If you cannot see the difference between Caroline Kennedy and, say, Dick Cheney  CTyankee   Dec-16-08 08:09 AM   #144 
  - This isn't about Obama.It is about NY and what is best for NY State.  saracat   Dec-15-08 10:37 PM   #131 
  - Would Nita Lowey have stepped aside for "Hillary Smith"?  Starbucks Anarchist   Dec-16-08 11:08 AM   #158 
  - As you said.  PM Martin   Dec-16-08 09:32 PM   #195 
  - the Clintonites are starting to realize that Obama has plans for who comes after him  Billy Shears   Dec-15-08 11:24 AM   #33 
  - Yeah, right.  Beacool   Dec-15-08 11:43 AM   #37 
  - in 8 years, Hillary went from no elected experience to Presidential Frontrunner  Billy Shears   Dec-15-08 11:49 AM   #39 
  - Clintonites?  ronnykmarshall   Dec-15-08 03:24 PM   #82 
     - I live in Obamaland. And believe you me, I'm enjoying every moment of it.  Billy Shears   Dec-15-08 03:31 PM   #87 
        - You may think you live in Obamaland  ronnykmarshall   Dec-15-08 03:48 PM   #97 
           - no, it's Obamaland. I just saw him on TV announcing some of his Cabinet  Billy Shears   Dec-15-08 04:23 PM   #106 
           - What are you 12?  ronnykmarshall   Dec-15-08 04:42 PM   #117 
           - Oh that is the best response I have ever seen on DU. Love it.  kikiek   Dec-16-08 07:46 AM   #141 
  - Doing MSM's work for them.  Jakes Progress   Dec-15-08 11:30 AM   #34 
  - WHY am I supposed to believe ANYTHING the media says?  Notorious Bohemian   Dec-15-08 11:46 AM   #38 
  - If this is true, one really ironic thing is that Clinton allies are punishing  karynnj   Dec-15-08 11:51 AM   #40 
  - Some of them are bitter and want revenge.  Alexander   Dec-15-08 12:00 PM   #43 
  - It's ironic to see those that screeched "sexism" with their boot on Caroline's neck.  AtomicKitten   Dec-15-08 12:04 PM   #44 
     - Yeah, funny how they whine about "dynasties" too.  Alexander   Dec-15-08 12:05 PM   #45 
        - what's funny is that some people don't know the definition of  paulk   Dec-15-08 12:10 PM   #47 
           - But in 2010, guess who is old enough to run?  Alexander   Dec-15-08 12:31 PM   #51 
           - that's an absurd argument  paulk   Dec-15-08 01:48 PM   #63 
              - Absurd is their logic.  Jakes Progress   Dec-15-08 03:11 PM   #74 
              - At least we actually use logic instead of double standards.  Alexander   Dec-15-08 03:36 PM   #90 
                 - No, you let me guess.  Jakes Progress   Dec-15-08 04:28 PM   #111 
                    - That's all you have, guesses, assumptions and bullshit.  Alexander   Dec-16-08 11:00 AM   #154 
                       - You are quite a bit more  Jakes Progress   Dec-16-08 11:20 AM   #161 
                          - So now you're a mind reader. Excellent!  Alexander   Dec-16-08 11:42 AM   #167 
                             - Consistent to the extreme.  Jakes Progress   Dec-16-08 11:57 AM   #171 
                                - And you're not consistent at all.  Alexander   Dec-16-08 12:04 PM   #173 
                                   - Wow. Just Wow.  Jakes Progress   Dec-16-08 12:41 PM   #184 
              - I thought it was absurd that Hillary Clinton would run in New York.  Alexander   Dec-15-08 03:34 PM   #89 
           - dynasties also usually do something memorable.  Billy Shears   Dec-15-08 01:21 PM   #59 
           - so are you going to start using Republican arguments now  paulk   Dec-15-08 01:53 PM   #64 
              - no, I just agree with you that the Clintons don't qualify as a Dynasty  Billy Shears   Dec-15-08 02:02 PM   #67 
           - Now don't go using facts and words  Jakes Progress   Dec-15-08 03:09 PM   #73 
           - Ah yes, anyone that doesn't worship at the Clinton altar is a "hater".  Alexander   Dec-15-08 03:37 PM   #92 
              - I like Caroline.  Jakes Progress   Dec-15-08 04:24 PM   #109 
                 - Newsflash: I don't hate the Clintons.  Alexander   Dec-16-08 10:56 AM   #152 
                    - You asked if I could  Jakes Progress   Dec-16-08 11:15 AM   #159 
                       - I see you've answered my question.  Alexander   Dec-16-08 11:34 AM   #166 
                          - Read a few.  Jakes Progress   Dec-16-08 11:54 AM   #169 
                             - In that case, I'm sorry you failed reading comprehension.  Alexander   Dec-16-08 12:01 PM   #172 
                                - See the above reply for a definition  Jakes Progress   Dec-16-08 12:40 PM   #183 
           - True.  PM Martin   Dec-16-08 09:36 PM   #196 
  - maybe they don't think she deserves the job  paulk   Dec-15-08 12:18 PM   #49 
  - Yet Hillary Clinton somehow did?  Alexander   Dec-15-08 12:30 PM   #50 
  - try to stay on topic  paulk   Dec-15-08 01:58 PM   #66 
     - But Hillary bashing is his only topic. nt  Jakes Progress   Dec-15-08 03:12 PM   #75 
     - And hit-and-run, fact-free snark posts are yours.  Alexander   Dec-15-08 03:44 PM   #95 
     - Oh, you will win.  Jakes Progress   Dec-15-08 04:29 PM   #112 
        - You're right. Because I use facts.  Alexander   Dec-16-08 11:01 AM   #155 
           - It is your life.  Jakes Progress   Dec-16-08 11:24 AM   #163 
              - Yep. Yours is so busy that you spend it PMing other Clinton supporters  Alexander   Dec-16-08 11:47 AM   #168 
                 - Ah, again the attack  Jakes Progress   Dec-16-08 12:17 PM   #177 
                    - Yeah, because I dare to call you out on your nonsense, it's an "attack".  Alexander   Dec-16-08 12:34 PM   #179 
                       - Easy because of my profession.  Jakes Progress   Dec-16-08 12:43 PM   #185 
     - That's for damn sure.  ronnykmarshall   Dec-15-08 03:59 PM   #98 
        - When have your posts been anything other than Clinton worship  Alexander   Dec-15-08 04:05 PM   #102 
           - Perhaps you need to read more.  ronnykmarshall   Dec-15-08 04:42 PM   #115 
           - Still waiting for your responce.  ronnykmarshall   Dec-15-08 08:30 PM   #125 
     - If we hold them to equal standards, HRC and KCS had the same qualifications...  Alexander   Dec-15-08 03:43 PM   #94 
        - You are betraying  Jakes Progress   Dec-15-08 04:32 PM   #113 
           - So, can you refute what I said with FACTS? No, of course not.  Alexander   Dec-16-08 11:02 AM   #156 
              - Take some deep cleansing breaths.  Jakes Progress   Dec-16-08 11:31 AM   #165 
                 - No thanks, I'd rather not huff the noxious fumes of your bullshit.  Alexander   Dec-16-08 11:55 AM   #170 
                    - You ask questions you know the answers to.  Jakes Progress   Dec-16-08 12:39 PM   #182 
  - That is why I started my post with a conditional phrase  karynnj   Dec-15-08 01:02 PM   #53 
  - You are being played.  Jakes Progress   Dec-15-08 03:06 PM   #71 
  - MSNBC Breaking News: "NY Times: Caroline Kennedy To Seek Senate Seat" with link to story -->  ClarkUSA   Dec-15-08 01:10 PM   #55 
  - when has Zimmerman ever not been a complete asshole?  Billy Shears   Dec-15-08 01:19 PM   #58 
  - I give up... when? Can't think of any.  ClarkUSA   Dec-16-08 03:46 PM   #193 
  - Story is being discussed on MSNBC now  ClarkUSA   Dec-15-08 02:19 PM   #69 
  - Misleading headline....  S_E_Fudd   Dec-15-08 02:33 PM   #70 
  - MSNBC's First Read made a point to include a question mark, so I don't see where it's misleading  ClarkUSA   Dec-15-08 03:07 PM   #72 
     - Same as their oft used "Some Say" before slamming someone...  S_E_Fudd   Dec-15-08 03:17 PM   #76 
        - The stories named very familiar names... so your analogy seems inaccurate.  ClarkUSA   Dec-15-08 03:20 PM   #78 
           - Was either Bill, Hillary or Chelsea Clinton named ?...nt  S_E_Fudd   Dec-15-08 03:24 PM   #81 
              - Maybe by some voices in someone's head(s).  ronnykmarshall   Dec-15-08 03:26 PM   #83 
              - Um, maybe this wouldn't be the first time known mouthpieces have been used in a proxy fight?  ClarkUSA   Dec-15-08 03:29 PM   #85 
                 - the Clintons plausible deniability with these Parrots became implausible years ago  Billy Shears   Dec-15-08 03:36 PM   #91 
                 - I don't want to replay the primaries...  S_E_Fudd   Dec-15-08 04:04 PM   #101 
                    - but it's not Obama that Zimmerman is after this time.  Billy Shears   Dec-15-08 04:26 PM   #110 
                 - And until there is any evidence for that ...the headline is misleading...  S_E_Fudd   Dec-15-08 04:01 PM   #100 
                    - I disagree. The "evidence" involves using common sense deductive reasoning.  ClarkUSA   Dec-15-08 04:06 PM   #103 
                       - Yes...the common sense deductive reasoning here  S_E_Fudd   Dec-15-08 04:07 PM   #104 
                          - In this case of concerted high-profile kvetching attacks on Caroline, yes.  ClarkUSA   Dec-15-08 04:23 PM   #107 
                             - With the Clinton's...  S_E_Fudd   Dec-15-08 04:24 PM   #108 
                                - See reply #103.  ClarkUSA   Dec-15-08 04:42 PM   #116 
                                   - Yeah...  S_E_Fudd   Dec-15-08 04:45 PM   #118 
                                      - Agreed.  ClarkUSA   Dec-15-08 05:03 PM   #121 
  - man does anybody other then me get really sick of seeing some  okieinpain   Dec-15-08 03:22 PM   #79 
  - How about no more ROYALTY - no one should be selected because of their name or their family ...  ShortnFiery   Dec-15-08 03:23 PM   #80 
  - For once I agree with you, up to a point.  Beacool   Dec-15-08 11:34 PM   #133 
  - Now often do sitting candidates lose in the primaries in New York?  question everything   Dec-15-08 03:46 PM   #96 
  - So...what if CKS is actually a SUCCESSFUL Progressive senator?  CakeGrrl   Dec-16-08 03:13 AM   #136 
  - Why is there ALWAYS drama with Clinton and her supporters?  Wolsh   Dec-15-08 05:00 PM   #119 
  - On MSNBC this afternoon, Amy Stoddard of The Hill called it...  ClarkUSA   Dec-15-08 07:11 PM   #124 
  - Fuck the fucking Clintons  LittleBlue   Dec-15-08 05:02 PM   #120 
  - Oh look, another manufactured excuse for people to get their Clinton hate on.  MetricSystem   Dec-15-08 10:34 PM   #130 
     - Don't argue with assholes, it never goes well.  Beacool   Dec-15-08 11:31 PM   #132 
        - Wow, I am envious. That sounds so amazing. Yeah, DU has decided to pit Hillary vs. Caroline as an  MetricSystem   Dec-15-08 11:38 PM   #134 
           - Same old jerks, different fight.  Beacool   Dec-15-08 11:55 PM   #135 
           - Pot, meet kettle. I seem to recall a recent anti-Kennedy meme OP by you...  ClarkUSA   Dec-16-08 10:48 AM   #151 
           - Yeah and it isn't even true. The whole split is different. More along bucking the name it appears.  kikiek   Dec-16-08 07:50 AM   #142 
  - This thing has gotten out of control. Just appoint someone already and get on with it.  Jennicut   Dec-16-08 08:18 AM   #145 
  - "How many freshman senators at the bottom of the seniority list can pick up the phone and get...  sohndrsmith   Dec-16-08 09:04 AM   #150 
  - i really dont understand what the clintons have to do with anything  iamthebandfanman   Dec-16-08 10:59 AM   #153 
  - CNN is discussing this issue now; the usual suspects are attacking Caroline.  ClarkUSA   Dec-16-08 11:16 AM   #160 
  - They wish. Divide and Conquer is the GOP's favorite game. Engels said THIS is why workers in the US  McCamy Taylor   Dec-16-08 10:58 PM   #197 
  - Well, now Hillary has called off her dogs.  polichick   Dec-17-08 08:57 AM   #199 
  - NYT today describes Caroline's efforts to win over officials and visit the upstate area.  ClarkUSA   Dec-17-08 11:18 AM   #200 
     - CKS should promise to create 200,000 new jobs upstate.  heraldsqure   Dec-17-08 01:42 PM   #201 
        - Isn't that what Hillary did?  ClarkUSA   Dec-17-08 04:06 PM   #202 

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