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Lilith Velkor Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Dec-04-08 09:42 PM
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45. I'm not.
Victory would not have been possible without luring in the sort of simple-minded fools who have no motivation other than to be on the side that's winning.

(Speaking of which, Dylan rules, and the Dead suck.) :P
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  -I'm surprised that some progressives display a discouraging amount of black and white thinking. Elrond Hubbard  Dec-04-08 08:24 PM   #0 
  - can you give some examples?  Iris   Dec-04-08 08:25 PM   #1 
  - Well, what sticks out in my mind...  Elrond Hubbard   Dec-04-08 08:28 PM   #4 
  - When One Has Lived At The Back Of The Bus Since Reagan ...  lostnotforgotten   Dec-04-08 08:30 PM   #8 
  - "Since Reagan"?  MookieWilson   Dec-04-08 08:39 PM   #16 
     - Yes, since Reagan  Sebastian Doyle   Dec-04-08 08:42 PM   #19 
        - Lower echelons actually improved vis a vis the wealthy under Clinton...  MookieWilson   Dec-04-08 08:43 PM   #21 
           - It was really more a case of new Technology based jobs than it was Clinton policies  Sebastian Doyle   Dec-04-08 08:56 PM   #24 
              - yeah, that's the right wing explanation  paulk   Dec-04-08 10:32 PM   #74 
              - You should put down the DLC propaganda and pick up a Thom Hartmann book  Sebastian Doyle   Dec-04-08 10:38 PM   #76 
                 - no, I don't think he's a right winger  paulk   Dec-04-08 10:54 PM   #77 
                    - What's PI?  Sebastian Doyle   Dec-04-08 10:58 PM   #78 
                    - PI  paulk   Dec-05-08 09:00 AM   #102 
                    - You should learn to think in terms of grey.  JVS   Dec-05-08 06:54 AM   #89 
                       - Yes.  Sebastian Doyle   Dec-05-08 10:45 AM   #108 
                          - find a post where I've defended Al From  paulk   Dec-05-08 11:17 PM   #132 
              - Real tech jobs and companies stayed.  boppers   Dec-04-08 11:14 PM   #79 
  - other way around  Two Americas   Dec-05-08 03:32 AM   #86 
     - Agreed. This is why it is necessary to destroy centrism  JVS   Dec-05-08 07:01 AM   #91 
        - ROFL ... link  wyldwolf   Dec-05-08 09:43 AM   #105 
        - Frankly the past couple of decades have pulled the center so far right  Raineyb   Dec-05-08 11:07 AM   #115 
  - some issues ,like corruption and finacial malfeasense, are black and white  natrat   Dec-05-08 10:49 AM   #112 
  - Nominated.  H2O Man   Dec-04-08 08:27 PM   #2 
  - Me too. The whole point of being a liberal is seeing grey sometimes. nt  MookieWilson   Dec-04-08 08:28 PM   #3 
  - Exactly. I'm not always good about this, but I try hard to see the middle in all things.  Elrond Hubbard   Dec-04-08 08:28 PM   #5 
     - I try to ignore the name of people involved in policies and look at it more structurally...  MookieWilson   Dec-04-08 08:38 PM   #15 
     - What would be a "middle " kind of issue? Should we just prosecute half of the war criminals instead  John Q. Citizen   Dec-04-08 10:14 PM   #68 
        - a middle kind of issue?  wyldwolf   Dec-05-08 04:53 AM   #87 
           - What do you mean "rare." What do you mean"sensible."  John Q. Citizen   Dec-05-08 10:38 AM   #106 
              - It isn't a law.. see.. you're thinking in absolutes  wyldwolf   Dec-05-08 10:47 AM   #111 
                 - So fuzzy =" middle?"  John Q. Citizen   Dec-05-08 11:04 AM   #114 
                 - "That makes sense" - because you're thinking is black or white  wyldwolf   Dec-05-08 11:16 AM   #116 
                    - Let me know when you can explain what you mean. Until then, good luck!  John Q. Citizen   Dec-05-08 11:20 AM   #117 
                       - Why? Any explanation would be too nuanced for you.  wyldwolf   Dec-05-08 11:24 AM   #118 
                          - See ya!  John Q. Citizen   Dec-05-08 11:37 AM   #120 
                             - take care  wyldwolf   Dec-05-08 11:41 AM   #121 
                 - I have a question, what do you mean by regulated?  Solon   Dec-05-08 04:27 PM   #130 
                    - what do you mean by "mean?"  wyldwolf   Dec-05-08 06:56 PM   #131 
  - Well said. n/t  RoyGBiv   Dec-04-08 08:29 PM   #6 
  - You might like this.....  Jade Fox   Dec-04-08 08:29 PM   #7 
  - Yes, that article is perfectly on point.  Elrond Hubbard   Dec-04-08 08:35 PM   #12 
  - QUIT POSTING STUFF I AGREE WITH!!!!!  Clio the Leo   Dec-04-08 08:30 PM   #9 
  - Look into the cupcake's eyes...  Elrond Hubbard   Dec-04-08 08:34 PM   #10 
  - the further left or further right you go, the more fundamentalist you become  wyldwolf   Dec-04-08 08:34 PM   #11 
  - Would You Like To Back That Statement Up With Facts!  lostnotforgotten   Dec-04-08 09:09 PM   #26 
  - It's simple  wyldwolf   Dec-04-08 09:17 PM   #30 
  - You Just Lost Me With Ten Dollars Words  lostnotforgotten   Dec-04-08 09:20 PM   #31 
     - you just made my point. LOL!  wyldwolf   Dec-04-08 09:26 PM   #34 
        - Health Care, Education, the Environment and a Living Wage AREN'T black and white?  Ken Burch   Dec-04-08 09:30 PM   #36 
        - of course they aren't  wyldwolf   Dec-04-08 09:33 PM   #37 
        - Deleted message  Name removed   Dec-04-08 09:41 PM   #44 
        - that's a classic example of fundamentalism  wyldwolf   Dec-04-08 09:45 PM   #50 
        - Actually, you're dismissal of anything you disagree with as "fundamentalism" could also be taken as  Ken Burch   Dec-04-08 09:44 PM   #49 
           - yeah, maybe, if I was dismissing anything I disagreed with as fundamentalism... but I'm not  wyldwolf   Dec-04-08 09:47 PM   #52 
        - Those are definately not black and white issues  gravity   Dec-04-08 09:40 PM   #41 
        - No You just Made The Point That You Are An Elitist And Not Humble Enough  lostnotforgotten   Dec-04-08 09:40 PM   #40 
        - an elitist? spoken like a true fundamentalist.  wyldwolf   Dec-04-08 09:41 PM   #43 
        - You Actions And Words Speak For Themselves  lostnotforgotten   Dec-04-08 09:43 PM   #47 
        - which actions and words? do tell...  wyldwolf   Dec-04-08 09:48 PM   #53 
        - whats black and white here is that you are a fundamentalist  mkultra   Dec-04-08 10:22 PM   #70 
        - You're not entitled to just repeat the word "fundamentalist, fundamentalist, fundamentalist"  Ken Burch   Dec-04-08 09:46 PM   #51 
           - sure I am. Especially when the case is being made for me.  wyldwolf   Dec-04-08 09:49 PM   #56 
              - You can't actually name any instances where making the more conservative choices  Ken Burch   Dec-04-08 09:53 PM   #59 
                 - who defines "conservative" choices?  wyldwolf   Dec-04-08 09:54 PM   #61 
                    - Wow, you're kicking ass. Keep it up.  Elrond Hubbard   Dec-04-08 10:11 PM   #66 
        - Sounds like someone hates educated people  anigbrowl   Dec-05-08 02:20 AM   #82 
        - HAHAHA you want our kids to be tested MORE?  FarceOfNature   Dec-05-08 01:09 PM   #125 
        - I'm afraid I have to agree w/ WW....  LanternWaste   Dec-05-08 08:29 AM   #97 
        - I was thinking the same thing ...  RoyGBiv   Dec-05-08 09:14 AM   #103 
  - Um, that statement IS a fact.  musicblind   Dec-05-08 10:46 AM   #110 
  - Here are some 'fundamentals' for you  Qibing Zero   Dec-05-08 10:41 AM   #107 
     - Yeah... I'm being "malicious" ... lol  wyldwolf   Dec-05-08 11:36 AM   #119 
        - I'm glad you attempted to respond with real arguments  Qibing Zero   Dec-05-08 12:57 PM   #123 
           - Correct, I did respond with real argument. It wasn't an "attempt."  wyldwolf   Dec-05-08 01:26 PM   #127 
              - Context, man, context!  Qibing Zero   Dec-05-08 01:51 PM   #128 
  - you got that right  Skittles   Dec-04-08 08:36 PM   #13 
  - I was by no means a supporter of Hillary Clinton, but dear lord is there some  Elrond Hubbard   Dec-04-08 08:37 PM   #14 
     - DITTO  Skittles   Dec-04-08 08:40 PM   #17 
     - Obama's being torn at by the wolves as well. Now they're turning on him for picking her...  Elrond Hubbard   Dec-04-08 08:41 PM   #18 
     - I was agreeing with everything you were saying...  Cults4Bush   Dec-05-08 07:47 AM   #92 
        - There was no shot a Kucinich supporters. None.  Common Sense Party   Dec-05-08 01:22 PM   #126 
     - Yep,  Beacool   Dec-04-08 09:15 PM   #28 
     - I started out as a Clarkie, then Richardson, then Biden, then took a coin...  MookieWilson   Dec-04-08 08:42 PM   #20 
        - Groupthink, maybe?  Elrond Hubbard   Dec-04-08 08:46 PM   #22 
        - I was shocked to see how the left treated her.  Beacool   Dec-04-08 09:25 PM   #33 
  - You have been  Gilligan   Dec-04-08 08:48 PM   #23 
  - That's not how I feel.  Elrond Hubbard   Dec-04-08 09:09 PM   #25 
     - The Only Thing In The Middle Of the Road Is Dead Armadillos And Politicians  lostnotforgotten   Dec-04-08 09:13 PM   #27 
        - Did you read what I said? I agree that there are some black and white issues.  Elrond Hubbard   Dec-04-08 09:15 PM   #29 
        - Then Why Are You Demeaning Progressives?  lostnotforgotten   Dec-04-08 09:21 PM   #32 
           - demeaning progressives?  Elrond Hubbard   Dec-04-08 10:02 PM   #63 
        - Torture, Pre-emptive War, War Profiteering, War Crimes, Looting, Treason, Sabotage.  glitch   Dec-04-08 09:28 PM   #35 
        - the game is played in the middle of the field. Those on the left and right are mere spectators  wyldwolf   Dec-04-08 09:35 PM   #38 
        - Funny, I hear that one all the time from right wingers, too.  anigbrowl   Dec-05-08 02:26 AM   #83 
  - Black and white? I'll give you black and white! :)  Gregorian   Dec-04-08 09:38 PM   #39 
  - I'm sure you meant no harm but as a black person I really hate  firedupdem   Dec-04-08 09:43 PM   #46 
     - I always liked George Clinton's tune.  Gregorian   Dec-04-08 10:05 PM   #65 
     - I like it too and you weren't offensive. I just know that a lot of people  firedupdem   Dec-04-08 10:14 PM   #69 
        - This is so cool.  Gregorian   Dec-04-08 10:28 PM   #71 
     - irish would be green and gay would be pink  mkultra   Dec-04-08 10:29 PM   #72 
     - Green and Pink, respectively.  anigbrowl   Dec-05-08 02:28 AM   #84 
  - You think *I* bore *you*! What I'm finding odd & increasingly boring is when one lays out...  bridgit   Dec-04-08 09:40 PM   #42 
  - There is no box.  glitch   Dec-04-08 09:43 PM   #48 
  - hahahahaha, and there is no 'key' to the universe or the perceived box +/-  bridgit   Dec-04-08 09:49 PM   #54 
     - :) Love it! nt  glitch   Dec-04-08 09:51 PM   #58 
  - aw crap you broke my brain.  Elrond Hubbard   Dec-04-08 09:49 PM   #57 
  - "broke"!? Boy howdy mine's *bankrupt* everybody knows that!!  bridgit   Dec-04-08 09:54 PM   #62 
  - no, thank YOU.  mkultra   Dec-04-08 10:31 PM   #73 
  - *applauds*  Crisco   Dec-05-08 08:14 AM   #95 
  - I'm not.  Lilith Velkor   Dec-04-08 09:42 PM   #45 
  - The problem is, those who always say "it's not black and white"  Ken Burch   Dec-04-08 09:49 PM   #55 
  - funny. conservatives claim we always push the more liberal idea in the mix  wyldwolf   Dec-04-08 09:53 PM   #60 
  - Yes. Sometimes it's a failure of courage...  Orsino   Dec-05-08 08:39 AM   #99 
  - It is just destroys all intelligent thought  gravity   Dec-04-08 10:04 PM   #64 
  - after the last 2 Bush terms, I've seen enough fucking dark to make my world grey forever.  FarceOfNature   Dec-04-08 10:13 PM   #67 
  - You understand that there's more out threre than just left and right, don't you?  Elrond Hubbard   Dec-04-08 10:37 PM   #75 
     - I do, do you? I care about POLICY.  FarceOfNature   Dec-05-08 01:01 PM   #124 
  - I think there's more to it than that  mvd   Dec-04-08 11:36 PM   #80 
  - It's all or nothing..  stillcool47   Dec-05-08 12:09 AM   #81 
  - Excellent observation. I vote for more grey/gray too... or at least  sohndrsmith   Dec-05-08 03:04 AM   #85 
  - You shouldn't be surprised.  rucky   Dec-05-08 05:32 AM   #88 
  - Nothing worthwhile was ever accomplished without enthusiasm.  JVS   Dec-05-08 06:59 AM   #90 
  - I agree, to a point.  LWolf   Dec-05-08 07:50 AM   #93 
  - again, the concept of centrism is misunderstood  wyldwolf   Dec-05-08 07:58 AM   #94 
     - I don't misunderstand at all.  LWolf   Dec-05-08 08:19 AM   #96 
  - Not all proressives are rational vs. mythic and ideological.  DuaneBidoux   Dec-05-08 08:32 AM   #98 
  - Fundamentalists  Bluenorthwest   Dec-05-08 08:40 AM   #100 
  - That's the best Dead song ever. Slightly above that friendof the devil one.  JenniferZ   Dec-05-08 08:53 AM   #101 
  - I think it's important to have clear beliefs but be open to compromise  Armstead   Dec-05-08 09:38 AM   #104 
  - oversight of the 8 $trillion bailout=black and white  natrat   Dec-05-08 10:45 AM   #109 
  - The exact thing they accuse RW nuts of  BrentTaylor   Dec-05-08 10:57 AM   #113 
  - The desire to purge ideas that are different is not monopolized by religion or the Right  wyldwolf   Dec-05-08 11:45 AM   #122 
     - Too, too true. The taliban have nothing on the left-wing blogosphere.  Common Sense Party   Dec-05-08 04:10 PM   #129 

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