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Land Shark Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Dec-05-08 01:16 PM
Response to Reply #100
112. I asked you to clarify how you feel about the outcomes you seem to be urging
You ask "where does your popular sovereignty go then?" I think popular sovereignty is yours as well, but here's the answer:

Popular sovereignty inheres only in voting/elections. If it is not HONORED there in elections, then it exists NOWHERE, since as you point out inherently, we have no procedures set up for recall, and Congress controls impeachment. However, under clear republican political theory (small r) the representatives in Congress, holding our power, act on our behalf, and we are still sovereign, albeit acting through representatives.

Admittedly, there seems to be a breakdown lately in that connection between people and their representatives, we can mostly speculate as to why, but maybe it's corporate/money influence combined with safe districts that reduce accountability to the electorate.
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So, well, this may be a conversation ender for you because you take it entirely the wrong way when I merely say you give a certain impression and I ask you to clarify. This leaves the door wide open for you to set forth (a) what you think is right legally and democratically in terms of congress's power to re-decide the presidency other than in cases of the death of the president and no candidate receiving a majority of eletors, and (b) how you feel about that -- in terms of is it an outcome or process that you believe in, or something you feel is legally inescapable that you wish weren't there?

In response to the above, I don't think there's any "wrong" answer, so if you want to continue to be put off somehow, there's not any basis for it in response to the above.
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