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jberryhill Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Dec-05-08 02:31 AM
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104. Oh please.....
Edited on Fri Dec-05-08 02:41 AM by jberryhill
I'm on the edge of calling shenanigans here.

I've read all of the freeper stuff on this, and there is no jury question here.

A jury does not get to rule on the conclusive effect of a certified state document as to the issue of where Barack Obama was born. Even a severely crazy judge that let it go past motions to a jury, and a crazy jury that went bananas would be reversed on JNOV.

As to the other freeper "theory" - i.e. "born in Hawaii but not natural born citizen due to British law" - that one is not a fact question. That, by the way, is the theory of the Donofrio case which admits Hawaiian birth, and happens to be the case subject to the cert petition that is the ostensible subject of your OP.

Or did you forget that?

And, by the way, their whole "anybody could get a Hawaiian birth certificate" thing is pure crap. Yes, Hawaii wasn't a state prior to 1959, so nobody born in Hawaii prior to 1959 had a Hawaiian state birth certificate in 1959. Every Hawaiian birth certificate, however, does indicate the place of birth.

Hawaiian birth records, by the way, are not some random free-for-all, particularly because native Hawaiian ancestry is required in order to benefit from certain trusts established for native Hawaiians since 1921, and incorporated into the statehood deal. See, e.g. Arakaki v. Lingle http://www.ca9.uscourts.gov/ca9/newopinions.nsf/C0D7650...

And if you really want to get picky - try reading the passage in Dreams From My Father relative to Barack Obama's return to the US from Indonesia. He didn't travel on his mother's passport. He had his own US passport. Primarily because, if you knew his biography in the first place, you'd know that his mother didn't return from Indonesia when he was sent back to live with the Dunhams, since he'd run through the correspondence classes that his mother was taking him through to supplement his education.
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