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91. Well said. k&r n/t
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  -Winning the Direct Attack on Democracy & Obama (Sup Ct Bush v Gore Pt. II decision due Friday 12-5) Land Shark  Dec-04-08 02:59 AM   #0 
  - K&R for democracy! nt  2 Much Tribulation   Dec-04-08 03:16 AM   #1 
  - Stop fear-mongering. Every filing submitted to the Supreme Court is considered.  zlt234   Dec-04-08 03:27 AM   #2 
  - This is not "fear mongering" this says "go on offense" and it also says...  Land Shark   Dec-04-08 03:33 AM   #3 
  - Someone uninformed about legal issues might look at your article and reasonably worry  zlt234   Dec-04-08 03:18 PM   #30 
     - Your missing the parts about what happens when Obama runs the table perfectly  Land Shark   Dec-04-08 04:16 PM   #35 
        - You've convinced me - you're not a lawyer.  jberryhill   Dec-05-08 12:52 AM   #101 
  - If someone fires a bullet at your head, you know it missed by a mile, so talking about it is "fear"?  Land Shark   Dec-04-08 03:40 AM   #4 
     - it seems obvious that they are not seen that way...  tomp   Dec-04-08 06:30 AM   #5 
        - anticipated that. There you go again, telling yourself "not to worry"  Land Shark   Dec-04-08 06:45 AM   #6 
        - actually this fits with my theory that obama is in office (soon)...  tomp   Dec-04-08 09:52 AM   #15 
        - Did you consider the risk that an uprising is precisely what they want?  Land Shark   Dec-04-08 09:42 AM   #13 
        - It "got to the supreme court" by being laughed out of every other court along the way  jberryhill   Dec-04-08 07:46 PM   #63 
  - Legal establishment taking these cases seriously, not laughing it off. see  Land Shark   Dec-04-08 08:00 AM   #7 
  - The right wing  H2O Man   Dec-04-08 09:04 AM   #9 
  - Article argues lawsuits would lack standing under Article III, not the political question doctrine.  Renegade08   Dec-04-08 09:23 PM   #79 
     - True, that's just one example of a wider body of scholarship referencing PQ  Land Shark   Dec-04-08 09:42 PM   #81 
        - Here's the deal - the Supreme Court DID hear Bush v. Gore.  Renegade08   Dec-04-08 09:52 PM   #83 
           - it gets worse, it may NEVER be able to be overturned, because they  Land Shark   Dec-04-08 09:57 PM   #85 
           - Okay, but, the point is, the political question doctrine is not the slam dunk  Renegade08   Dec-04-08 10:01 PM   #88 
              - It's an option, PQ doctrine is. An unappealable option for SCOTUS.  Land Shark   Dec-04-08 10:05 PM   #89 
           - a shitstain on the law  Nuisance Man   Dec-04-08 11:22 PM   #94 
           - Minor Note  jberryhill   Dec-05-08 12:59 AM   #102 
              - consideration is always limited to 'cases and controversies"  Land Shark   Dec-05-08 01:27 PM   #113 
                 - You have finally convinced me - you are not a lawyer  jberryhill   Dec-06-08 10:44 PM   #119 
  - Chicago Tribune coverage of political ad and Supreme Court Friday docket here  Land Shark   Dec-04-08 08:58 AM   #8 
  - Dude, get a sense of humor. Tinfoilhat nuttery often will bring cases to the SCOTUS  IWantAnyDem   Dec-04-08 09:10 AM   #10 
  - Read the University of Michigan Law review link for analysis well beyond "9th grade civics"  Land Shark   Dec-04-08 09:30 AM   #11 
     - Saw no links in your post  IWantAnyDem   Dec-04-08 09:59 AM   #16 
        - The U of MI link is in the replies. You're making the case here for a new election, in the Congress  Land Shark   Dec-04-08 10:04 AM   #18 
        - Damn, you can't read, can you?  IWantAnyDem   Dec-04-08 10:06 AM   #19 
           - Um, reading is searching for information  Land Shark   Dec-04-08 01:16 PM   #23 
           - Then you reject the constitution  IWantAnyDem   Dec-04-08 04:13 PM   #34 
              - be specific, cite your power and your provision.  Land Shark   Dec-04-08 04:35 PM   #41 
                 - Sure thing  IWantAnyDem   Dec-04-08 07:08 PM   #50 
                    - Easy to take those apart  Land Shark   Dec-04-08 08:07 PM   #65 
           - Ah, but here's my possibly premature question, before reading the rest of the thread....  jberryhill   Dec-04-08 02:02 PM   #26 
              - Here is the answers  IWantAnyDem   Dec-04-08 04:12 PM   #32 
              - please cite the "final authority" on the PRESIDENCY language, not other offices. nt  Land Shark   Dec-04-08 04:43 PM   #44 
                 - Amendment 12, Section 3, specifically sentence 2. n/t  IWantAnyDem   Dec-04-08 07:18 PM   #53 
                    - and where does it say "congress decides" and not states, state legislatures or the people's votes?  Land Shark   Dec-04-08 08:22 PM   #68 
                       - Congress decided the elections of 1800 and 1824  jberryhill   Dec-06-08 10:56 PM   #120 
              - You can't think of any principled distinction between slavery or segregation & electing youngsters  Land Shark   Dec-04-08 04:41 PM   #43 
                 - Where one makes a "principled distinction" depends upon one's principles  jberryhill   Dec-04-08 06:53 PM   #49 
                    - The Constitution binds and restrains the government, not the people, or even corporations  Land Shark   Dec-04-08 08:20 PM   #67 
                       - You should write labels for Dr. Bronner, you know  jberryhill   Dec-04-08 08:48 PM   #70 
                          - The move you perhaps are missing is that some laws are void if they  Land Shark   Dec-04-08 09:03 PM   #73 
                             - "never WARNED THEM"  jberryhill   Dec-04-08 09:59 PM   #87 
                                - You can fail to qualify in the states. And that happens sometimes.  Land Shark   Dec-04-08 10:14 PM   #90 
                                   - I'll take the final question....  jberryhill   Dec-05-08 12:14 AM   #95 
                                      - Boy, it is INCREDIBLY easier to stop candidate from office, than to kick out President w/ power  Land Shark   Dec-05-08 01:38 PM   #114 
                                         - Uh, no, it's just as easy either way  jberryhill   Dec-07-08 12:02 AM   #121 
        - The 20th Amendment does not give congress the power to determine eligibility.  Renegade08   Dec-04-08 09:28 PM   #80 
  - ". . .Bong hits for Jesus. . .!!!"  stellanoir   Dec-04-08 09:33 AM   #12 
  - The irony is that some of the same wingnuts or their followers are  treestar   Dec-04-08 09:42 AM   #14 
  - They want citizenship to be statutory and not a birthright, making it a political football  Land Shark   Dec-04-08 10:00 AM   #17 
     - Yes, it seems to be one of the extraordinary compendium of tricks they use, or  KCabotDullesMarxIII   Dec-04-08 04:13 PM   #33 
     - Next thing you know...  jberryhill   Dec-05-08 12:19 AM   #97 
  - A couple of questions... And unlike some, I actually read beyond the first paragraph.  jobycom   Dec-04-08 10:20 AM   #20 
  - Thanks for the questions, here are the answers  Land Shark   Dec-04-08 10:38 AM   #21 
  - You are forgetting the statutory high bar to disqualify a President Elect  IWantAnyDem   Dec-04-08 10:48 AM   #22 
  - Statutes can not invade the constitutional structure, they can EXPAND not contract peoples' rights  Land Shark   Dec-04-08 01:18 PM   #24 
     - yeah... tell that to the Bush v. Gore majority  jberryhill   Dec-04-08 02:07 PM   #28 
        - Yeah so do you worship the Bush v. Gore majority, or the higher principles they ignored?  Land Shark   Dec-04-08 04:34 PM   #39 
           - The answer to that question should be apparent in context here...  jberryhill   Dec-04-08 04:41 PM   #42 
              - Ok, I don't ever equate court "majorities" and popular majorities, but I can understand why you did.  Land Shark   Dec-04-08 08:09 PM   #66 
                 - WTF is that supposed to mean? /nt  jberryhill   Dec-04-08 08:51 PM   #72 
                    - You spoke of majorities on courts, i spoke of majorities of voters nt  Land Shark   Dec-04-08 09:09 PM   #76 
                       - No...  jberryhill   Dec-05-08 12:22 AM   #98 
                          - You are right on that point. But that's precisely why I'm pointing similar dynamic  Land Shark   Dec-05-08 12:57 PM   #111 
  - Point 4 sounds like advocacy of "mob rule"  jberryhill   Dec-04-08 02:05 PM   #27 
  - Actually, it sounds like Patrick Henry, Thomas Jefferson, and drafters of the 12th Am.  Land Shark   Dec-04-08 06:12 PM   #48 
  - You take away individual rights by giving too much power to a simple majority.  jobycom   Dec-05-08 01:45 AM   #106 
  - It's a mistake to look just to the constitution to define one's rights, or the american people's  Land Shark   Dec-04-08 01:37 PM   #25 
     - I never did.  jobycom   Dec-05-08 01:56 AM   #107 
  - To simplify  jberryhill   Dec-04-08 02:10 PM   #29 
  - IF the candidate openly proclaimed their real age during the election  IWantAnyDem   Dec-04-08 04:03 PM   #31 
  - The concept here is "issue preclusion" not "the truth of the matter"  Land Shark   Dec-04-08 04:20 PM   #36 
     - Your last sentence....  jberryhill   Dec-04-08 04:34 PM   #38 
     - Again, I disagree. The qualifications are very clear.  IWantAnyDem   Dec-04-08 07:16 PM   #51 
        - It would have been interesting....  jberryhill   Dec-04-08 07:28 PM   #58 
        - And then the Congress should be all removed for colossal fraud on the people: Fake Election  Land Shark   Dec-04-08 08:49 PM   #71 
           - No, it wouldn't -be- an issue before the election  jberryhill   Dec-05-08 12:28 AM   #99 
  - Do the research, it's happened already, 6 times or more with federal office  Land Shark   Dec-04-08 04:29 PM   #37 
     - The joy of asking folks who have done the research  jberryhill   Dec-04-08 04:35 PM   #40 
        - Did you read the OP? First name there is Henry Clay.  Land Shark   Dec-04-08 04:57 PM   #45 
           - Good for him - Have you ever heard of D.B. Cooper?  jberryhill   Dec-04-08 07:19 PM   #54 
           - Mind telling me where you're coming from? You're making fun of the American people  Land Shark   Dec-04-08 08:42 PM   #69 
              - Again with the personal insinuations....  jberryhill   Dec-05-08 12:39 AM   #100 
                 - I asked you to clarify how you feel about the outcomes you seem to be urging  Land Shark   Dec-05-08 01:16 PM   #112 
           - Good for him - Have you ever heard of D.B. Cooper?  jberryhill   Dec-04-08 07:20 PM   #55 
  - Ummm.....yeah. Two words:  BullGooseLoony   Dec-04-08 05:03 PM   #46 
  - Ummmm.... yeah, you don't want to be understood by anyone else?  Land Shark   Dec-04-08 06:05 PM   #47 
     - I understood his point clearly  jberryhill   Dec-04-08 07:44 PM   #62 
  - Clarence Thomas needs to be IMPEACHED - he's a DISGRACE to the Judicial System.  blm   Dec-04-08 07:16 PM   #52 
  - He's not enough of a judicial figure to qualify as a "disgrace"  jberryhill   Dec-04-08 07:22 PM   #56 
     - heheheh.....I will happily stand corrected....  blm   Dec-04-08 07:26 PM   #57 
        - always good to find major points of agreement. :) nt  Land Shark   Dec-04-08 09:11 PM   #77 
  - k/r  Fridays Child   Dec-04-08 07:31 PM   #59 
  - Brilliant post  malaise   Dec-04-08 07:38 PM   #60 
  - Thanks, and thanks for keeping me "brief"! :)  Land Shark   Dec-04-08 09:05 PM   #74 
  - I'm thinking the justices have relatives who will be looking for loans.  aquart   Dec-04-08 07:39 PM   #61 
  - You underestimate the seductiveness of love affairs with The Law /nt  jberryhill   Dec-04-08 07:53 PM   #64 
  - AS your sig says "Democracy is slow and annoying; every voice counts"  Land Shark   Dec-04-08 09:08 PM   # 
  - All of this presumes that Barack Obama was elected. Who can prove it?  Peace Patriot   Dec-04-08 09:08 PM   #75 
  - While you make some points, I think McCain stipulates he lost (or would do so) nt  Land Shark   Dec-04-08 09:53 PM   #84 
     - Well, so much for consistency  jberryhill   Dec-05-08 01:15 AM   #103 
  - Obama was born on American soil.  Renegade08   Dec-04-08 09:18 PM   #78 
  - I'm fine if you want to believe that. The RW has such a huge VOLUME of crap to throw  Land Shark   Dec-04-08 09:51 PM   #82 
     - Uh, how about insisting on Hawaii because Obama was born there?  Renegade08   Dec-04-08 09:59 PM   #86 
        - I've no personal knowledge of where I myself was born. Much less Obama.  Land Shark   Dec-04-08 10:27 PM   #92 
           - Oh please.....  jberryhill   Dec-05-08 01:31 AM   #104 
              - Well I think their case is more powerfully misleading by far than what you say  Land Shark   Dec-05-08 01:46 PM   #115 
                 - By "their case", I'm assuming you mean Donofrio's  jberryhill   Dec-06-08 10:30 PM   #118 
  - Well said. k&r n/t  Laelth   Dec-04-08 10:19 PM   #91 
  - Thanks for the nice mix with the thread's constructive criticism! ;) nt  Land Shark   Dec-04-08 10:56 PM   #93 
     - Not a problem.  Laelth   Dec-05-08 07:56 AM   #108 
  - Kicking and recommended to read tomorrow.  Stand and Fight   Dec-05-08 12:15 AM   #96 
  - Thanks, if I may presume a tad of credit, I'll share with JBerryHill on thoroughness of discussion  Land Shark   Dec-05-08 01:49 PM   #116 
  - too much to digest at the moment  amborin   Dec-05-08 01:43 AM   #105 
  - You're right, the case is complete horseshit  HughMoran   Dec-05-08 07:59 AM   #109 
  - In my experience, people have to go through an evolution of thought on this topic  Land Shark   Dec-05-08 12:52 PM   #110 
  - kick for interesting discussion. nt  2 Much Tribulation   Dec-05-08 04:00 PM   #117 
 

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