John Q. Citizen
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Thu Dec-04-08 04:45 AM
Response to Reply #28 |
| 33. So we should have elected a latino? Since electing a black man is too much too fast? Or maybe |
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a white woman would be more electable by a majority of the citizens?
See, I didn't buy that back when and I don't buy that we can't a system that:
1. Is affordable for everyone
2. Accessible for everyone
3, Provides choice of care providers for everyone.
In fact, I think that should be a lot easier than electing a black man to the White House was. We passed Medicare back in the 60s, which is of course single payer for a pool that's 65 and older. So we already kind of passed it 45 years ago.
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 How does the left get Obama over his ideological hang-ups on health care? |
John Q. Citizen |
Dec-04-08 02:01 AM |
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I will be very pissed off if his health care plan is cannibalized by the Left |
bluestateguy |
Dec-04-08 02:23 AM |
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Hope is a sucker game . Don't hope for single payer. Only suckers hope. |
John Q. Citizen |
Dec-04-08 02:35 AM |
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Polls show that the public will indeed support that. |
Herdin_Cats |
Dec-04-08 02:35 AM |
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Are you lost or something? |
sfexpat2000 |
Dec-04-08 02:39 AM |
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I have subsidized health insurance |
sandnsea |
Dec-04-08 02:52 AM |
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The American public IS overwhelmingly ready for single payer! |
bvar22 |
Dec-04-08 05:05 PM |
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Employment based makes no sense any more. |
sfexpat2000 |
Dec-04-08 02:38 AM |
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Absolutely! |
Herdin_Cats |
Dec-04-08 02:39 AM |
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I have come to the conclusion we need to quit arguing names and start demanding outcomes. |
John Q. Citizen |
Dec-04-08 02:44 AM |
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I so agree. Results, that's what we need. |
sfexpat2000 |
Dec-04-08 02:45 AM |
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So how do we get Obama to abandon his ideological opposition? How do we get a fair debate? |
John Q. Citizen |
Dec-04-08 02:46 AM |
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I don't think his problem is ideology. |
sfexpat2000 |
Dec-04-08 02:50 AM |
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We need to organize the Obama supporters and we need to canvass the entire |
John Q. Citizen |
Dec-04-08 03:06 AM |
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Job based is so last century. It's a drag on the economy of everyone. |
John Q. Citizen |
Dec-04-08 02:56 AM |
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Spot on! |
Raineyb |
Dec-04-08 09:45 AM |
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His health care plan provides all of that |
sandnsea |
Dec-04-08 02:50 AM |
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Follow the link in the OP. He specifically rules out free market solutions as well as |
John Q. Citizen |
Dec-04-08 03:13 AM |
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His plan meets the criteria in your OP |
sandnsea |
Dec-04-08 03:21 AM |
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Health care should NOT be linked to a job - doing so drastically limits people's freedom. |
kath |
Dec-04-08 12:45 PM |
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This is from the Obama site: |
John Q. Citizen |
Dec-04-08 03:41 AM |
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You are making accusations |
sandnsea |
Dec-04-08 03:47 AM |
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Do you believe that Government controlled health care is "Wrong?" Obama says he does. |
John Q. Citizen |
Dec-04-08 03:59 AM |
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No he doesn't say that at all |
sandnsea |
Dec-04-08 04:01 AM |
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Go to the link to Obama's site it's right there. I quote: |
John Q. Citizen |
Dec-04-08 04:09 AM |
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The wrong way to go |
sandnsea |
Dec-04-08 05:28 AM |
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I disagree that Medicare is the wrong way to go. I think it's a great program and govenrment run |
John Q. Citizen |
Dec-04-08 06:39 AM |
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Government run healthcare IS wrong. |
alwysdrunk |
Dec-04-08 06:44 AM |
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Tell us your personal experiences with NHS |
Bluenorthwest |
Dec-04-08 08:19 AM |
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A medicare for all system is not the same as the government running all the hospitals |
Raineyb |
Dec-04-08 09:52 AM |
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No one is seriously proposing anything like the NHS in the UK. |
superduperfarleft |
Dec-04-08 12:49 PM |
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Medicare is not "government-run healthcare." |
bornskeptic |
Dec-04-08 11:10 AM |
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You do realize that link is to a Canadian neocon think tank, right? |
John Q. Citizen |
Dec-04-08 01:25 PM |
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I don't really care where the link is from. |
bornskeptic |
Dec-04-08 02:05 PM |
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yes, Neocon think tank data. I say let them defend it in a public forum, Our experts will cream them |
John Q. Citizen |
Dec-04-08 02:40 PM |
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HCP is a Swedish neocon think tank? |
bornskeptic |
Dec-04-08 06:10 PM |
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It is a think tank, yes. It's a private company that collects data and sells it. |
John Q. Citizen |
Dec-04-08 08:49 PM |
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There is a BIG problem with that argument : |
bvar22 |
Dec-04-08 05:39 PM |
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So what do we do about it? |
drm604 |
Dec-04-08 02:51 AM |
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The best argument for single payer health care is actually in the headlines right now. |
Sebastian Doyle |
Dec-04-08 03:00 AM |
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Excellent point. nt |
Herdin_Cats |
Dec-04-08 03:03 AM |
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You are right and this is seldom brought out. |
illuminaughty |
Dec-04-08 03:09 AM |
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So how do we get what we want? We are at a point the entire country knows we are being |
John Q. Citizen |
Dec-04-08 03:23 AM |
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Well, this will have to be coordinated to included many fronts. |
FrenchieCat |
Dec-04-08 04:08 AM |
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Exactly |
dbmk |
Dec-04-08 04:15 AM |
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It means we have to organize if we want it done. I know a lot of people said a black man couldn't |
John Q. Citizen |
Dec-04-08 04:38 AM |
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And you need to outline a way to get public backing for it |
dbmk |
Dec-04-08 10:34 AM |
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I'm working on Baucus because I live in MT and everything has to go through both his and |
John Q. Citizen |
Dec-04-08 04:32 AM |
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Its not "ideological hang-ups" |
dbmk |
Dec-04-08 04:12 AM |
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That was also my understanding...... |
FrenchieCat |
Dec-04-08 04:22 AM |
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So we should have elected a latino? Since electing a black man is too much too fast? Or maybe |
John Q. Citizen |
Dec-04-08 04:45 AM |
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We didn't elect Barack because he was a Black man, |
FrenchieCat |
Dec-04-08 04:54 AM |
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With your extremely high post count I don't doubt that you are familiar with everyone's posting |
John Q. Citizen |
Dec-04-08 06:30 AM |
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I don't say whether you should do anything. |
dbmk |
Dec-04-08 10:29 AM |
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Hey Montana! |
Bluenorthwest |
Dec-04-08 09:05 AM |
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I like this post. It's a constructive approach. |
crispini |
Dec-04-08 09:16 AM |
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Thanks for your feedback. I appreciate it. |
John Q. Citizen |
Dec-04-08 01:35 PM |
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Single payer in America? Didn't Hillary try this in 1993? |
Jennicut |
Dec-04-08 10:30 AM |
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No, she did not, not at all. The insurance companies were very much at the table, which was a major |
kath |
Dec-04-08 12:47 PM |
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HRC gave a single payer advocate two minutes then said "It's politically impossible" |
happychatter |
Dec-04-08 01:21 PM |
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As was reported yesterday.... |
RichGirl |
Dec-04-08 11:01 AM |
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that's not specific issue based data.... far more people WANT single payer than your post implies |
happychatter |
Dec-04-08 01:23 PM |
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Until it is universal, you'll get none of your wishes. |
lumberjack_jeff |
Dec-04-08 01:26 PM |
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Won't multiple over-lapping systems be more waste than one well run system? |
John Q. Citizen |
Dec-04-08 01:42 PM |
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Perhaps. But to get from here to there, you'll have to convince people that "have good insurance". |
lumberjack_jeff |
Dec-04-08 01:51 PM |
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At this point, i firmly believe that almost all Americans, including those with "good" |
John Q. Citizen |
Dec-04-08 02:35 PM |
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The Obama/Biden plan needs work in order for it to work efficiently. |
Cleita |
Dec-04-08 06:36 PM |
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I don't think the left has or will have much influence over any of his "hangups" |
leftofthedial |
Dec-04-08 06:40 PM |
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