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185. Thank you for the post
It was very educational, and a relief to me as I've been worried about a lot of what's being said here. Most of those things I knew already - a couple of them I did not know.

One question I still have... what if anything does Obama intend to do about the Patriot Act?
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  -It feels a bit like the primaries at DU, except that Obama's opponent is invisible. FrenchieCat  Dec-03-08 02:05 PM   #0 
  - Any feedback?  FrenchieCat   Dec-03-08 02:25 PM   #1 
  - yes: 8 recs so far.  tandot   Dec-03-08 02:29 PM   #2 
  - make that 9  maddezmom   Dec-03-08 02:30 PM   #3 
     - Make that 81. N/T  DerekJ   Dec-04-08 10:11 AM   #163 
  - My only gripe would be with the tax rollback on the wealthy.  WakingLife   Dec-03-08 02:42 PM   #11 
  - Rolling back the Bush Tax Cuts versus allowing them to expire  FrenchieCat   Dec-03-08 02:50 PM   #12 
     - I think what you say is spot on. If they will expire, then fine.  truedelphi   Dec-04-08 12:20 AM   #129 
        - Certainly, the economic situation is a total mess......  FrenchieCat   Dec-04-08 03:42 AM   #142 
           - Another DU'er gets to the heart of why  truedelphi   Dec-05-08 04:31 PM   #192 
  - Yep. Well done., with a reasonable tone throughout  Tom Rinaldo   Dec-03-08 03:05 PM   #18 
     - Thanks Tom!  FrenchieCat   Dec-03-08 03:17 PM   #21 
        - Hey Frenchie  Tom Rinaldo   Dec-03-08 09:23 PM   #76 
  - Obama didn't campaign as a progressive, why paint him as one now?  leftstreet   Dec-03-08 02:34 PM   #4 
  - Yeah, we should all just roll over. After all, Obama is the decider now.  WakingLife   Dec-03-08 02:38 PM   #8 
  - I think that the tone that I have attempted to set was much less  FrenchieCat   Dec-03-08 02:53 PM   #14 
  - I believe that Obama did campaign as a progressive.......  FrenchieCat   Dec-03-08 03:00 PM   #16 
  - RE: the last point.  WakingLife   Dec-03-08 02:34 PM   #5 
  - There is no need to denigrate each other or to denigrate Barack Obama.....  FrenchieCat   Dec-03-08 03:13 PM   #19 
  - true  Two Americas   Dec-03-08 04:39 PM   #44 
  - I'm not sure why you thought I was talking about you.  WakingLife   Dec-04-08 07:18 AM   #149 
  - In what I've seen...  Shiver   Dec-03-08 03:30 PM   #26 
     - I've personally read quite a few thread telling people that they shouldn't  WakingLife   Dec-04-08 07:16 AM   #148 
        - In contrast...  Shiver   Dec-04-08 07:27 AM   #150 
  - Great work as always, Frenchie. K&R.  bunnies   Dec-03-08 02:36 PM   #6 
  - I always like it when you like it. :)  FrenchieCat   Dec-03-08 06:01 PM   #48 
     - awwww  bunnies   Dec-04-08 07:35 AM   #151 
  - Great Post and thank you....as a newer du'er  firedupdem   Dec-03-08 02:37 PM   #7 
  - Deleted message  Name removed   Dec-03-08 02:39 PM   #9 
  - totally disagree with your comment.....unless you were being  firedupdem   Dec-03-08 02:41 PM   #10 
  - Of course, none of what you are saying has anything to do with what I posted  FrenchieCat   Dec-03-08 02:51 PM   #13 
  - did you even read the O.P.?  Elrond Hubbard   Dec-03-08 03:25 PM   #24 
  - What do you call it when 92% of Dems and 51% of Repubs want universal health care  eridani   Dec-03-08 02:58 PM   #15 
  - Universal Healthcare and Single Payer are not the same thing.  FrenchieCat   Dec-03-08 03:05 PM   #17 
     - Most people don't pay attention to wonky details, so it would have been pointless--  eridani   Dec-03-08 03:58 PM   #38 
     - Obama campaigned on expanding access to health insurance  dflprincess   Dec-03-08 10:11 PM   #81 
     - Actually, Obama campaigned on Universal Health Insurance....  bvar22   Dec-03-08 11:15 PM   #107 
  - God this place is driving me nuts.  walldude   Dec-03-08 03:16 PM   #20 
  - I often wonder who this magical flaming liberal alternative was  Truth Hurts A Lot   Dec-03-08 03:19 PM   #22 
  - Which is why the title of my op is.....  FrenchieCat   Dec-03-08 03:24 PM   #23 
  - Proud to rec this post.  Elrond Hubbard   Dec-03-08 03:27 PM   #25 
  - the invisible enemy  Two Americas   Dec-03-08 03:34 PM   #27 
  - Ok.....If I am being supressive and destructive and fighting primary battles  FrenchieCat   Dec-03-08 03:40 PM   #30 
  - same as always  Two Americas   Dec-03-08 04:04 PM   #39 
     - I think you are way off the mark.....  FrenchieCat   Dec-03-08 04:14 PM   #40 
        - not a matter of differing opinions  Two Americas   Dec-03-08 04:28 PM   #42 
  - What he's doing is moving the center to the DLC's right agenda ---  defendandprotect   Dec-03-08 08:24 PM   #60 
  - every argument she brought up has been made here  mkultra   Dec-03-08 10:24 PM   #88 
  - correct  Two Americas   Dec-04-08 11:42 AM   #165 
  - BEST POST OF THE MONTH  mtnsnake   Dec-04-08 07:38 AM   #152 
  - Big Kick & Rec, and good replies, too.  apocalypsehow   Dec-03-08 03:34 PM   #28 
  - This is a great article, FrenchieCat.  MPK   Dec-03-08 03:38 PM   #29 
  - "counterfeit astonishment" - exactly! Perfect way to put it, you've given me my phrase for the week.  apocalypsehow   Dec-03-08 03:41 PM   #31 
  - Thanks!  MPK   Dec-03-08 03:43 PM   #32 
  - and I appreciate your posts as well.  FrenchieCat   Dec-03-08 03:46 PM   #33 
  - VERY well put, Frenchie.  SeattleGirl   Dec-03-08 03:49 PM   #34 
  - Great job, Frenchie  WesDem   Dec-03-08 03:54 PM   #35 
  - Thank you my dear sista!  FrenchieCat   Dec-03-08 03:56 PM   #36 
     - Aw, I miss you, too, hon  WesDem   Dec-03-08 03:57 PM   #37 
  - There you go, talking about facts again  Mark E. Smith   Dec-03-08 04:27 PM   #41 
  - I will argue that no one has stopped talking as of yet......  FrenchieCat   Dec-03-08 05:12 PM   #45 
  - Quite visible here, unfortunately. Great post.  JenniferZ   Dec-03-08 04:31 PM   #43 
  - Fact #6 depends on your definition of "progressive"  Lilith Velkor   Dec-03-08 05:23 PM   #46 
  - Yours sounds as good of an opinion as any other........  FrenchieCat   Dec-03-08 05:44 PM   #47 
     - Yes, any trajectory different from Bush's can be called change  Lilith Velkor   Dec-03-08 06:16 PM   #50 
        - Whether a slogan or real, We'll have to agree to disagree until time does tell.  FrenchieCat   Dec-03-08 06:24 PM   #51 
           - I didn't mean it in a negative way or anything  Lilith Velkor   Dec-03-08 06:49 PM   #55 
              - Oh well yeah....  FrenchieCat   Dec-03-08 08:15 PM   #59 
  - Rec'd. The most intelligent, reasonable analysis posted on DU today.  phleshdef   Dec-03-08 06:14 PM   #49 
  - Big K & R !!!  WillyT   Dec-03-08 06:35 PM   #52 
  - K & R excellent post with one exception  Mithreal   Dec-03-08 06:39 PM   #53 
  - There are a lot of examples that I can't find....but here are a couple  FrenchieCat   Dec-03-08 06:51 PM   #56 
  - Lesson from History.....  Lisa0825   Dec-03-08 06:39 PM   #54 
  - misplaced ...  defendandprotect   Dec-03-08 08:02 PM   #57 
     - I think you meant to reply to the OP. nt  Lisa0825   Dec-03-08 08:45 PM   #65 
     - Thank you -- on both counts ...!!!  defendandprotect   Dec-03-08 08:57 PM   #67 
        - You're welcome.  Lisa0825   Dec-03-08 09:00 PM   #70 
     - Responded to poster who then deleted because post was misplaced!  FrenchieCat   Dec-03-08 08:58 PM   #68 
        - I moved it - see #66 below ...  defendandprotect   Dec-03-08 09:01 PM   #72 
  - Fair enough.....and bookmarked/journal'd  Catchawave   Dec-03-08 08:10 PM   #58 
  - Come On People!  humbled_opinion   Dec-03-08 08:26 PM   #61 
  - You might not realize this, but he's just made enough decisions to sink himself --  defendandprotect   Dec-03-08 08:58 PM   #69 
     - (Sighing).....  FrenchieCat   Dec-03-08 09:03 PM   #73 
        - IMO, this OP is a joke -- a big fat DLC joke --  defendandprotect   Dec-03-08 09:05 PM   #75 
           - You post is a joke....a big fat GOP joke  FrenchieCat   Dec-03-08 11:27 PM   #110 
              - You'd like to deny DLC exists ... won't happen ...  defendandprotect   Dec-03-08 11:54 PM   #119 
  - Most excellent post. I have all but stopped coming to DU over this purist crap  FLDem5   Dec-03-08 08:36 PM   #62 
  - Thanks for all the hard work you put into this.  Veganistan   Dec-03-08 08:39 PM   #63 
  - Great post...k/r  Uzybone   Dec-03-08 08:41 PM   #64 
  - Good attempt at excuses ...  defendandprotect   Dec-03-08 08:56 PM   #66 
  - Hence the difference between your ideals and my realism......  FrenchieCat   Dec-03-08 09:01 PM   #71 
  - We've all been there -- all you have to do is remove age restrictions from Medicare ---  defendandprotect   Dec-03-08 09:04 PM   #74 
  - ...a PS to say, are we not as able as Europeans to get National Single-Payer Health care--???  defendandprotect   Dec-03-08 09:29 PM   #77 
  - DLC my ass. Obama in the end, will not be labeled  FrenchieCat   Dec-03-08 09:32 PM   #78 
     - Right now, it looks like Obama has been hiding his DLC label ---  defendandprotect   Dec-03-08 10:11 PM   #82 
     - Yeah....his entire life.  FrenchieCat   Dec-03-08 10:37 PM   #92 
        - Unfortunately, DLC/GOP is a Democratic Party label ---  defendandprotect   Dec-03-08 10:55 PM   #102 
           - You tire me with your labels......  FrenchieCat   Dec-03-08 11:05 PM   #104 
              - Are you trying to suggest no DLC in Democratic Party -- or HRC not DLC leadership--????  defendandprotect   Dec-03-08 11:08 PM   #105 
                 - I'm suggesting that you are simple.  FrenchieCat   Dec-03-08 11:30 PM   #111 
                 - DLC discussions are obviously something you want to avoid ....  defendandprotect   Dec-03-08 11:51 PM   #118 
                    - It has no bearing on the matter at this time.  FrenchieCat   Dec-03-08 11:54 PM   #120 
                       - I discuss the DLC always -- what could be more important ...  defendandprotect   Dec-04-08 12:00 AM   #124 
                 - Sometimes People Change Their Minds  Crisco   Dec-05-08 08:55 AM   #189 
     - My favorite part of that was...  firedupdem   Dec-03-08 10:37 PM   #91 
  - if it's not free, my family can't afford it  pollo poco   Dec-04-08 03:19 AM   #138 
     - There will be subsidies based on income level......  FrenchieCat   Dec-04-08 03:38 AM   #141 
  - Huh? I love how you throw that DLC label around...  stillcool47   Dec-03-08 11:24 PM   #109 
  - We voted for a PARTY which is supposed to be different from the GOP  cottonseed   Dec-04-08 12:31 PM   #168 
  - Susan Rice, Samantha Power "PROGRESSIVE"??? oy. nt  inna   Dec-03-08 09:49 PM   #79 
  - Please continue.....  FrenchieCat   Dec-03-08 09:59 PM   #80 
  - i'll make an effort to produce links, but as far as i know....  inna   Dec-03-08 10:19 PM   #84 
     - Yes, please find the links.......  FrenchieCat   Dec-03-08 10:24 PM   #87 
  - what's your beef with Samantha Power?  stillcool47   Dec-03-08 10:59 PM   #103 
  - I was here the day after the last election  marlakay   Dec-03-08 10:13 PM   #83 
  - DU will be Obama's biggest detractor - they will do it under the guises of "patriotism"...  BlooInBloo   Dec-03-08 10:20 PM   #85 
  - I don't fucking understand how some are this bent out of shape  firedupdem   Dec-03-08 10:33 PM   #89 
  - IMO, a many had a strong preference for another candidate...  BlooInBloo   Dec-03-08 10:36 PM   #90 
     - Got It! I was thinking that these people were never on board anyway...  firedupdem   Dec-03-08 10:38 PM   #94 
        - :) Just always keep in mind: *they* are allowed to criticize, but those who think like you appear...  BlooInBloo   Dec-03-08 10:44 PM   #96 
           - I believe you...sad but true. n/t  firedupdem   Dec-03-08 10:46 PM   #99 
  - Three questions.  Forkboy   Dec-03-08 10:37 PM   #93 
     - Thank you for perfectly exemplifying. And I apologize ahead of time for my love of nazism.  BlooInBloo   Dec-03-08 10:43 PM   #95 
     - Damn...how you got that out of those questions is amazing.  Forkboy   Dec-03-08 10:45 PM   #98 
     - I'll answer....  FrenchieCat   Dec-03-08 10:52 PM   #100 
        - She or he knows all of that. The questions were disingenuous. No point in playing.  BlooInBloo   Dec-03-08 10:54 PM   #101 
        - No, I actually assumed you were mature enough to handle a few simple questions.  Forkboy   Dec-03-08 11:40 PM   #115 
           - (shrug) Paranoid nazis need love too.  BlooInBloo   Dec-03-08 11:49 PM   #116 
           - Pretty sad that someone had to answer for you, and all you have is this stuff.  Forkboy   Dec-04-08 12:00 AM   #123 
              - Far be it for me to tell you what to think.  BlooInBloo   Dec-04-08 12:02 AM   #125 
                 - Far be it from you being able to.  Forkboy   Dec-04-08 05:00 PM   #182 
           - Not really...  LanternWaste   Dec-04-08 02:02 PM   #178 
              - And yet Frenchie got a totally respectful answer from me, as would have bloo.  Forkboy   Dec-04-08 04:59 PM   #181 
                 - Are these valid questions (open to more than one truthful answer...)  LanternWaste   Dec-05-08 08:02 AM   #188 
        - Thank you, Frenchie.  Forkboy   Dec-03-08 11:38 PM   #114 
  - recd, you win on the internetz  mkultra   Dec-03-08 10:23 PM   #86 
  - Nicely done, FC.  BushDespiser12   Dec-03-08 10:45 PM   #97 
  - Great post Frenchie....  stillcool47   Dec-03-08 11:10 PM   #106 
  - Very nice.....in particular, that first one.  FrenchieCat   Dec-03-08 11:32 PM   #113 
  - I dont always agree with you, but I admire this post of yours. You're making an intelligent argument  BigBearJohn   Dec-03-08 11:16 PM   #108 
  - Thanks! I appreciate your comment.  FrenchieCat   Dec-03-08 11:31 PM   #112 
  - Another Kick and Recommend.  Pirate Smile   Dec-03-08 11:50 PM   #117 
  - I was trying for levity, but did get one poster who tempted my ire.....  FrenchieCat   Dec-03-08 11:58 PM   #122 
     - You did a great job....Unfortunately, I cannot handle that shit so  firedupdem   Dec-04-08 12:04 AM   #127 
  - Thanks for posting this.  Bette Noir   Dec-03-08 11:57 PM   #121 
  - At least a week or two! LOL!  FrenchieCat   Dec-04-08 12:02 AM   #126 
  - K&R This administration will be far more than the sum of it's parts.  Seldona   Dec-04-08 12:11 AM   #128 
  - Thank you Frenchie, for all your work.  political_Dem   Dec-04-08 12:39 AM   #130 
  - Summer and Geithner had a role and so did others.  FrenchieCat   Dec-04-08 01:03 AM   #131 
     - Fair enough.  political_Dem   Dec-04-08 01:21 AM   #132 
        - I don't know if you read the OP that I wrote....but I believe that is myth#5?  FrenchieCat   Dec-04-08 03:31 AM   #139 
           - I understand your position. It is passionate and very clearly put.  political_Dem   Dec-04-08 04:17 AM   #145 
  - Thanks, FrenchieCat.  JDPriestly   Dec-04-08 01:42 AM   #133 
  - Good post.  FrenchieCat   Dec-04-08 03:34 AM   #140 
  - All we have seen so far is some cabinet picks and they are not impressive.  Milo_Bloom   Dec-04-08 02:03 AM   #134 
  - The tea leaves weren't looking that good back in October of 2007 for him either.  FrenchieCat   Dec-04-08 03:45 AM   #143 
     - Actually, the tea leaves looked really good for him in oct 2007  Milo_Bloom   Dec-04-08 11:02 AM   #164 
  - An excellent summary!  CreekDog   Dec-04-08 02:20 AM   #135 
  - Barack lost me prior to the election when he voted for the 700B bailout for his banker buddies.  threadkillaz   Dec-04-08 02:36 AM   #136 
  - So you don't really get to be part of this discussion.....  FrenchieCat   Dec-04-08 03:48 AM   #144 
  - Great message, thanks.  suzie   Dec-04-08 03:02 AM   #137 
  - if they push for oversight of the multii trillion bankbailout they are real, if not they are crooks  natrat   Dec-04-08 05:41 AM   #146 
  - Deleted message  Name removed   Dec-04-08 06:31 AM   #147 
  - Thanks for the sanity Frenchiecat (nt)  Autonomy   Dec-04-08 08:01 AM   #153 
  - YEAH WOOOO INAUGUARATION BABY! WOOO! Can't wait. =)  cooolandrew   Dec-04-08 08:52 AM   #154 
  - I think I'll just wait and see what actually happens. You can say  deaniac21   Dec-04-08 09:00 AM   #155 
  - Like you, I'm really surprised at the numbers of people who  pipi_k   Dec-04-08 09:05 AM   #156 
  - It's very difficult to hold his feet to the fire without criticizing him.  Orsino   Dec-04-08 01:00 PM   #176 
  - I have to disagree with your characterization of Obama's stance on the Bush tax cuts  Time for change   Dec-04-08 09:11 AM   #157 
  - Anyone with an iota of common sense would have to disagree with her characterization of it  mtnsnake   Dec-04-08 09:35 AM   #160 
  - What irks me the most about this whole thing...  ElboRuum   Dec-04-08 09:21 AM   #158 
  - The biggest myth is the spin you put on everything & how you try to justify it with even more spin  mtnsnake   Dec-04-08 09:26 AM   #159 
  - I didn't realize that you didn't support our President Elect., Barack Obama  FrenchieCat   Dec-04-08 12:23 PM   #166 
     - Nothing like revealing your bitterness by lying about me just because I showed you're a hypocrite  mtnsnake   Dec-04-08 12:35 PM   #169 
     - You are being more personal with me than is required, and I'm not going for that.  FrenchieCat   Dec-04-08 12:46 PM   #171 
        - As always, you can dish it out but you just can't take it  mtnsnake   Dec-04-08 12:57 PM   #174 
     - The replier has a point which you are avoiding.  f the letter   Dec-05-08 10:56 AM   #190 
  - *Obama's* Opponent?  Crisco   Dec-04-08 09:36 AM   #161 
  - I'm not sure what that even means.  FrenchieCat   Dec-04-08 12:27 PM   #167 
  - Nicely done and here is Rec #80 although there are many here  elocs   Dec-04-08 10:05 AM   #162 
  - Many of us haven't had a winner since before we started posting on the Internet.....  FrenchieCat   Dec-04-08 12:37 PM   #170 
  - Obama's opponent is very visible.  Orsino   Dec-04-08 12:48 PM   #172 
  - Thank you for your judgment on this.....  FrenchieCat   Dec-04-08 12:55 PM   #173 
     - I don't think any of us sees it clearly, yet.  Orsino   Dec-04-08 12:57 PM   #175 
  - K & R!  jonestonesusa   Dec-04-08 01:09 PM   #177 
  - Excellent thread, thank you, FrenchieCat! I'm too late to Rec, darn it.  sohndrsmith   Dec-04-08 02:08 PM   #179 
  - Speaking as an early Obama critic and Hillary supporter...  Deep13   Dec-04-08 03:08 PM   #180 
  - Sorry I was too late to recommend this thread!  Laurab   Dec-04-08 06:20 PM   #183 
  - #94 n/t  guruoo   Dec-04-08 08:31 PM   #184 
  - Thank you for the post  davidthegnome   Dec-04-08 08:55 PM   #185 
  - How can you accuse an invisible entity of racism frenchie?  Lirwin2   Dec-04-08 10:39 PM   #186 
     - I don't know, have I?  FrenchieCat   Dec-05-08 02:30 AM   #187 
        - I don't know, have you?  Lirwin2   Dec-05-08 02:51 PM   #191 
 

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