Catchawave
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Wed Dec-03-08 09:10 PM
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| 58. Fair enough.....and bookmarked/journal'd |
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Let us look forward toward his inauguration and celebrate the fact that we will all continue to pay close attention to what is proposed during his term in office, and that we should make our voices heard in instances when he does great stuff as well as when he fucks up (which will happen). I wasn't an Obama supporter, but he won, so I wish him well for the sake of my country. What I don't want to see is DU turning into an echo chamber/free republic type of site that circles the drain on "other" sites. There's good debate potential here, and as long as members don't piss down each other's backs and shriek it's raining, this can still be a good forum. When he f**k's up, will my voice still be welcomed here? http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Hmt0DmiRhTw 
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 It feels a bit like the primaries at DU, except that Obama's opponent is invisible. |
FrenchieCat |
Dec-03-08 03:05 PM |
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Any feedback? |
FrenchieCat |
Dec-03-08 03:25 PM |
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yes: 8 recs so far. |
tandot |
Dec-03-08 03:29 PM |
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make that 9 |
maddezmom |
Dec-03-08 03:30 PM |
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Make that 81. N/T |
DerekJ |
Dec-04-08 11:11 AM |
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My only gripe would be with the tax rollback on the wealthy. |
WakingLife |
Dec-03-08 03:42 PM |
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Rolling back the Bush Tax Cuts versus allowing them to expire |
FrenchieCat |
Dec-03-08 03:50 PM |
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I think what you say is spot on. If they will expire, then fine. |
truedelphi |
Dec-04-08 01:20 AM |
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Certainly, the economic situation is a total mess...... |
FrenchieCat |
Dec-04-08 04:42 AM |
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Another DU'er gets to the heart of why |
truedelphi |
Dec-05-08 05:31 PM |
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Yep. Well done., with a reasonable tone throughout |
Tom Rinaldo |
Dec-03-08 04:05 PM |
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Thanks Tom! |
FrenchieCat |
Dec-03-08 04:17 PM |
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Hey Frenchie |
Tom Rinaldo |
Dec-03-08 10:23 PM |
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Obama didn't campaign as a progressive, why paint him as one now? |
leftstreet |
Dec-03-08 03:34 PM |
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Yeah, we should all just roll over. After all, Obama is the decider now. |
WakingLife |
Dec-03-08 03:38 PM |
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I think that the tone that I have attempted to set was much less |
FrenchieCat |
Dec-03-08 03:53 PM |
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I believe that Obama did campaign as a progressive....... |
FrenchieCat |
Dec-03-08 04:00 PM |
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RE: the last point. |
WakingLife |
Dec-03-08 03:34 PM |
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There is no need to denigrate each other or to denigrate Barack Obama..... |
FrenchieCat |
Dec-03-08 04:13 PM |
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true |
Two Americas |
Dec-03-08 05:39 PM |
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I'm not sure why you thought I was talking about you. |
WakingLife |
Dec-04-08 08:18 AM |
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In what I've seen... |
Shiver |
Dec-03-08 04:30 PM |
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I've personally read quite a few thread telling people that they shouldn't |
WakingLife |
Dec-04-08 08:16 AM |
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In contrast... |
Shiver |
Dec-04-08 08:27 AM |
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Great work as always, Frenchie. K&R. |
bunnies |
Dec-03-08 03:36 PM |
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I always like it when you like it. :) |
FrenchieCat |
Dec-03-08 07:01 PM |
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awwww |
bunnies |
Dec-04-08 08:35 AM |
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Great Post and thank you....as a newer du'er |
firedupdem |
Dec-03-08 03:37 PM |
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Name removed |
Dec-03-08 03:39 PM |
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totally disagree with your comment.....unless you were being |
firedupdem |
Dec-03-08 03:41 PM |
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Of course, none of what you are saying has anything to do with what I posted |
FrenchieCat |
Dec-03-08 03:51 PM |
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did you even read the O.P.? |
Elrond Hubbard |
Dec-03-08 04:25 PM |
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What do you call it when 92% of Dems and 51% of Repubs want universal health care |
eridani |
Dec-03-08 03:58 PM |
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Universal Healthcare and Single Payer are not the same thing. |
FrenchieCat |
Dec-03-08 04:05 PM |
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Most people don't pay attention to wonky details, so it would have been pointless-- |
eridani |
Dec-03-08 04:58 PM |
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Obama campaigned on expanding access to health insurance |
dflprincess |
Dec-03-08 11:11 PM |
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Actually, Obama campaigned on Universal Health Insurance.... |
bvar22 |
Dec-04-08 12:15 AM |
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God this place is driving me nuts. |
walldude |
Dec-03-08 04:16 PM |
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I often wonder who this magical flaming liberal alternative was |
Truth Hurts A Lot |
Dec-03-08 04:19 PM |
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Which is why the title of my op is..... |
FrenchieCat |
Dec-03-08 04:24 PM |
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Proud to rec this post. |
Elrond Hubbard |
Dec-03-08 04:27 PM |
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the invisible enemy |
Two Americas |
Dec-03-08 04:34 PM |
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Ok.....If I am being supressive and destructive and fighting primary battles |
FrenchieCat |
Dec-03-08 04:40 PM |
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same as always |
Two Americas |
Dec-03-08 05:04 PM |
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I think you are way off the mark..... |
FrenchieCat |
Dec-03-08 05:14 PM |
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not a matter of differing opinions |
Two Americas |
Dec-03-08 05:28 PM |
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What he's doing is moving the center to the DLC's right agenda --- |
defendandprotect |
Dec-03-08 09:24 PM |
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every argument she brought up has been made here |
mkultra |
Dec-03-08 11:24 PM |
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correct |
Two Americas |
Dec-04-08 12:42 PM |
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BEST POST OF THE MONTH |
mtnsnake |
Dec-04-08 08:38 AM |
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Big Kick & Rec, and good replies, too. |
apocalypsehow |
Dec-03-08 04:34 PM |
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This is a great article, FrenchieCat. |
MPK |
Dec-03-08 04:38 PM |
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"counterfeit astonishment" - exactly! Perfect way to put it, you've given me my phrase for the week. |
apocalypsehow |
Dec-03-08 04:41 PM |
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Thanks! |
MPK |
Dec-03-08 04:43 PM |
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and I appreciate your posts as well. |
FrenchieCat |
Dec-03-08 04:46 PM |
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VERY well put, Frenchie. |
SeattleGirl |
Dec-03-08 04:49 PM |
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Great job, Frenchie |
WesDem |
Dec-03-08 04:54 PM |
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Thank you my dear sista! |
FrenchieCat |
Dec-03-08 04:56 PM |
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Aw, I miss you, too, hon |
WesDem |
Dec-03-08 04:57 PM |
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There you go, talking about facts again |
Mark E. Smith |
Dec-03-08 05:27 PM |
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I will argue that no one has stopped talking as of yet...... |
FrenchieCat |
Dec-03-08 06:12 PM |
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Quite visible here, unfortunately. Great post. |
JenniferZ |
Dec-03-08 05:31 PM |
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Fact #6 depends on your definition of "progressive" |
Lilith Velkor |
Dec-03-08 06:23 PM |
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Yours sounds as good of an opinion as any other........ |
FrenchieCat |
Dec-03-08 06:44 PM |
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Yes, any trajectory different from Bush's can be called change |
Lilith Velkor |
Dec-03-08 07:16 PM |
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Whether a slogan or real, We'll have to agree to disagree until time does tell. |
FrenchieCat |
Dec-03-08 07:24 PM |
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I didn't mean it in a negative way or anything |
Lilith Velkor |
Dec-03-08 07:49 PM |
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Oh well yeah.... |
FrenchieCat |
Dec-03-08 09:15 PM |
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Rec'd. The most intelligent, reasonable analysis posted on DU today. |
phleshdef |
Dec-03-08 07:14 PM |
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Big K & R !!! |
WillyT |
Dec-03-08 07:35 PM |
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K & R excellent post with one exception |
Mithreal |
Dec-03-08 07:39 PM |
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There are a lot of examples that I can't find....but here are a couple |
FrenchieCat |
Dec-03-08 07:51 PM |
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Lesson from History..... |
Lisa0825 |
Dec-03-08 07:39 PM |
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misplaced ... |
defendandprotect |
Dec-03-08 09:02 PM |
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I think you meant to reply to the OP. nt |
Lisa0825 |
Dec-03-08 09:45 PM |
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Thank you -- on both counts ...!!! |
defendandprotect |
Dec-03-08 09:57 PM |
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You're welcome. |
Lisa0825 |
Dec-03-08 10:00 PM |
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Responded to poster who then deleted because post was misplaced! |
FrenchieCat |
Dec-03-08 09:58 PM |
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I moved it - see #66 below ... |
defendandprotect |
Dec-03-08 10:01 PM |
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Fair enough.....and bookmarked/journal'd |
Catchawave |
Dec-03-08 09:10 PM |
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Come On People! |
humbled_opinion |
Dec-03-08 09:26 PM |
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You might not realize this, but he's just made enough decisions to sink himself -- |
defendandprotect |
Dec-03-08 09:58 PM |
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(Sighing)..... |
FrenchieCat |
Dec-03-08 10:03 PM |
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IMO, this OP is a joke -- a big fat DLC joke -- |
defendandprotect |
Dec-03-08 10:05 PM |
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You post is a joke....a big fat GOP joke |
FrenchieCat |
Dec-04-08 12:27 AM |
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You'd like to deny DLC exists ... won't happen ... |
defendandprotect |
Dec-04-08 12:54 AM |
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Most excellent post. I have all but stopped coming to DU over this purist crap |
FLDem5 |
Dec-03-08 09:36 PM |
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Thanks for all the hard work you put into this. |
Veganistan |
Dec-03-08 09:39 PM |
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Great post...k/r |
Uzybone |
Dec-03-08 09:41 PM |
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Good attempt at excuses ... |
defendandprotect |
Dec-03-08 09:56 PM |
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Hence the difference between your ideals and my realism...... |
FrenchieCat |
Dec-03-08 10:01 PM |
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We've all been there -- all you have to do is remove age restrictions from Medicare --- |
defendandprotect |
Dec-03-08 10:04 PM |
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...a PS to say, are we not as able as Europeans to get National Single-Payer Health care--??? |
defendandprotect |
Dec-03-08 10:29 PM |
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DLC my ass. Obama in the end, will not be labeled |
FrenchieCat |
Dec-03-08 10:32 PM |
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Right now, it looks like Obama has been hiding his DLC label --- |
defendandprotect |
Dec-03-08 11:11 PM |
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Yeah....his entire life. |
FrenchieCat |
Dec-03-08 11:37 PM |
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Unfortunately, DLC/GOP is a Democratic Party label --- |
defendandprotect |
Dec-03-08 11:55 PM |
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You tire me with your labels...... |
FrenchieCat |
Dec-04-08 12:05 AM |
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Are you trying to suggest no DLC in Democratic Party -- or HRC not DLC leadership--???? |
defendandprotect |
Dec-04-08 12:08 AM |
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I'm suggesting that you are simple. |
FrenchieCat |
Dec-04-08 12:30 AM |
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DLC discussions are obviously something you want to avoid .... |
defendandprotect |
Dec-04-08 12:51 AM |
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It has no bearing on the matter at this time. |
FrenchieCat |
Dec-04-08 12:54 AM |
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I discuss the DLC always -- what could be more important ... |
defendandprotect |
Dec-04-08 01:00 AM |
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Sometimes People Change Their Minds |
Crisco |
Dec-05-08 09:55 AM |
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My favorite part of that was... |
firedupdem |
Dec-03-08 11:37 PM |
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if it's not free, my family can't afford it |
pollo poco |
Dec-04-08 04:19 AM |
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There will be subsidies based on income level...... |
FrenchieCat |
Dec-04-08 04:38 AM |
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Huh? I love how you throw that DLC label around... |
stillcool47 |
Dec-04-08 12:24 AM |
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We voted for a PARTY which is supposed to be different from the GOP |
cottonseed |
Dec-04-08 01:31 PM |
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Susan Rice, Samantha Power "PROGRESSIVE"??? oy. nt |
inna |
Dec-03-08 10:49 PM |
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Please continue..... |
FrenchieCat |
Dec-03-08 10:59 PM |
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i'll make an effort to produce links, but as far as i know.... |
inna |
Dec-03-08 11:19 PM |
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Yes, please find the links....... |
FrenchieCat |
Dec-03-08 11:24 PM |
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what's your beef with Samantha Power? |
stillcool47 |
Dec-03-08 11:59 PM |
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I was here the day after the last election |
marlakay |
Dec-03-08 11:13 PM |
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DU will be Obama's biggest detractor - they will do it under the guises of "patriotism"... |
BlooInBloo |
Dec-03-08 11:20 PM |
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I don't fucking understand how some are this bent out of shape |
firedupdem |
Dec-03-08 11:33 PM |
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IMO, a many had a strong preference for another candidate... |
BlooInBloo |
Dec-03-08 11:36 PM |
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Got It! I was thinking that these people were never on board anyway... |
firedupdem |
Dec-03-08 11:38 PM |
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:) Just always keep in mind: *they* are allowed to criticize, but those who think like you appear... |
BlooInBloo |
Dec-03-08 11:44 PM |
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I believe you...sad but true. n/t |
firedupdem |
Dec-03-08 11:46 PM |
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Three questions. |
Forkboy |
Dec-03-08 11:37 PM |
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Thank you for perfectly exemplifying. And I apologize ahead of time for my love of nazism. |
BlooInBloo |
Dec-03-08 11:43 PM |
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Damn...how you got that out of those questions is amazing. |
Forkboy |
Dec-03-08 11:45 PM |
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I'll answer.... |
FrenchieCat |
Dec-03-08 11:52 PM |
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She or he knows all of that. The questions were disingenuous. No point in playing. |
BlooInBloo |
Dec-03-08 11:54 PM |
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No, I actually assumed you were mature enough to handle a few simple questions. |
Forkboy |
Dec-04-08 12:40 AM |
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(shrug) Paranoid nazis need love too. |
BlooInBloo |
Dec-04-08 12:49 AM |
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Pretty sad that someone had to answer for you, and all you have is this stuff. |
Forkboy |
Dec-04-08 01:00 AM |
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Far be it for me to tell you what to think. |
BlooInBloo |
Dec-04-08 01:02 AM |
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Far be it from you being able to. |
Forkboy |
Dec-04-08 06:00 PM |
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Not really... |
LanternWaste |
Dec-04-08 03:02 PM |
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And yet Frenchie got a totally respectful answer from me, as would have bloo. |
Forkboy |
Dec-04-08 05:59 PM |
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Are these valid questions (open to more than one truthful answer...) |
LanternWaste |
Dec-05-08 09:02 AM |
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Thank you, Frenchie. |
Forkboy |
Dec-04-08 12:38 AM |
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recd, you win on the internetz |
mkultra |
Dec-03-08 11:23 PM |
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Nicely done, FC. |
BushDespiser12 |
Dec-03-08 11:45 PM |
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Great post Frenchie.... |
stillcool47 |
Dec-04-08 12:10 AM |
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Very nice.....in particular, that first one. |
FrenchieCat |
Dec-04-08 12:32 AM |
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I dont always agree with you, but I admire this post of yours. You're making an intelligent argument |
BigBearJohn |
Dec-04-08 12:16 AM |
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Thanks! I appreciate your comment. |
FrenchieCat |
Dec-04-08 12:31 AM |
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Another Kick and Recommend. |
Pirate Smile |
Dec-04-08 12:50 AM |
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I was trying for levity, but did get one poster who tempted my ire..... |
FrenchieCat |
Dec-04-08 12:58 AM |
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You did a great job....Unfortunately, I cannot handle that shit so |
firedupdem |
Dec-04-08 01:04 AM |
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Thanks for posting this. |
Bette Noir |
Dec-04-08 12:57 AM |
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At least a week or two! LOL! |
FrenchieCat |
Dec-04-08 01:02 AM |
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K&R This administration will be far more than the sum of it's parts. |
Seldona |
Dec-04-08 01:11 AM |
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Thank you Frenchie, for all your work. |
political_Dem |
Dec-04-08 01:39 AM |
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Summer and Geithner had a role and so did others. |
FrenchieCat |
Dec-04-08 02:03 AM |
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Fair enough. |
political_Dem |
Dec-04-08 02:21 AM |
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I don't know if you read the OP that I wrote....but I believe that is myth#5? |
FrenchieCat |
Dec-04-08 04:31 AM |
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I understand your position. It is passionate and very clearly put. |
political_Dem |
Dec-04-08 05:17 AM |
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Thanks, FrenchieCat. |
JDPriestly |
Dec-04-08 02:42 AM |
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Good post. |
FrenchieCat |
Dec-04-08 04:34 AM |
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All we have seen so far is some cabinet picks and they are not impressive. |
Milo_Bloom |
Dec-04-08 03:03 AM |
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The tea leaves weren't looking that good back in October of 2007 for him either. |
FrenchieCat |
Dec-04-08 04:45 AM |
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Actually, the tea leaves looked really good for him in oct 2007 |
Milo_Bloom |
Dec-04-08 12:02 PM |
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An excellent summary! |
CreekDog |
Dec-04-08 03:20 AM |
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Barack lost me prior to the election when he voted for the 700B bailout for his banker buddies. |
threadkillaz |
Dec-04-08 03:36 AM |
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So you don't really get to be part of this discussion..... |
FrenchieCat |
Dec-04-08 04:48 AM |
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Great message, thanks. |
suzie |
Dec-04-08 04:02 AM |
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if they push for oversight of the multii trillion bankbailout they are real, if not they are crooks |
natrat |
Dec-04-08 06:41 AM |
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Deleted message |
Name removed |
Dec-04-08 07:31 AM |
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Thanks for the sanity Frenchiecat (nt) |
Autonomy |
Dec-04-08 09:01 AM |
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YEAH WOOOO INAUGUARATION BABY! WOOO! Can't wait. =) |
cooolandrew |
Dec-04-08 09:52 AM |
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I think I'll just wait and see what actually happens. You can say |
deaniac21 |
Dec-04-08 10:00 AM |
#155 |
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Like you, I'm really surprised at the numbers of people who |
pipi_k |
Dec-04-08 10:05 AM |
#156 |
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It's very difficult to hold his feet to the fire without criticizing him. |
Orsino |
Dec-04-08 02:00 PM |
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I have to disagree with your characterization of Obama's stance on the Bush tax cuts |
Time for change |
Dec-04-08 10:11 AM |
#157 |
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Anyone with an iota of common sense would have to disagree with her characterization of it |
mtnsnake |
Dec-04-08 10:35 AM |
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What irks me the most about this whole thing... |
ElboRuum |
Dec-04-08 10:21 AM |
#158 |
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The biggest myth is the spin you put on everything & how you try to justify it with even more spin |
mtnsnake |
Dec-04-08 10:26 AM |
#159 |
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I didn't realize that you didn't support our President Elect., Barack Obama |
FrenchieCat |
Dec-04-08 01:23 PM |
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Nothing like revealing your bitterness by lying about me just because I showed you're a hypocrite |
mtnsnake |
Dec-04-08 01:35 PM |
#169 |
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You are being more personal with me than is required, and I'm not going for that. |
FrenchieCat |
Dec-04-08 01:46 PM |
#171 |
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As always, you can dish it out but you just can't take it |
mtnsnake |
Dec-04-08 01:57 PM |
#174 |
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The replier has a point which you are avoiding. |
f the letter |
Dec-05-08 11:56 AM |
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*Obama's* Opponent? |
Crisco |
Dec-04-08 10:36 AM |
#161 |
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I'm not sure what that even means. |
FrenchieCat |
Dec-04-08 01:27 PM |
#167 |
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Nicely done and here is Rec #80 although there are many here |
elocs |
Dec-04-08 11:05 AM |
#162 |
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Many of us haven't had a winner since before we started posting on the Internet..... |
FrenchieCat |
Dec-04-08 01:37 PM |
#170 |
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Obama's opponent is very visible. |
Orsino |
Dec-04-08 01:48 PM |
#172 |
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Thank you for your judgment on this..... |
FrenchieCat |
Dec-04-08 01:55 PM |
#173 |
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I don't think any of us sees it clearly, yet. |
Orsino |
Dec-04-08 01:57 PM |
#175 |
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K & R! |
jonestonesusa |
Dec-04-08 02:09 PM |
#177 |
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Excellent thread, thank you, FrenchieCat! I'm too late to Rec, darn it. |
sohndrsmith |
Dec-04-08 03:08 PM |
#179 |
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Speaking as an early Obama critic and Hillary supporter... |
Deep13 |
Dec-04-08 04:08 PM |
#180 |
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Sorry I was too late to recommend this thread! |
Laurab |
Dec-04-08 07:20 PM |
#183 |
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#94 n/t |
guruoo |
Dec-04-08 09:31 PM |
#184 |
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Thank you for the post |
davidthegnome |
Dec-04-08 09:55 PM |
#185 |
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How can you accuse an invisible entity of racism frenchie? |
Lirwin2 |
Dec-04-08 11:39 PM |
#186 |
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I don't know, have I? |
FrenchieCat |
Dec-05-08 03:30 AM |
#187 |
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I don't know, have you? |
Lirwin2 |
Dec-05-08 03:51 PM |
#191 |
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