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Radical Activist Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Nov-26-08 02:39 PM
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42. And there's another problem from the opposite side.
Is it possible to move Obama left without making distortions or putting a negative spin on his actions? Can we encourage Obama to go left without Chicken Little hysteria that says he's going to abandon his campaign promises because of a few appointments? Can we ask him to be more liberal without inaccurately portraying him as more centrist than he really is?

The left seems to have a real problem doing that. Everyone wants to frame things the same way they did with Bush or Bill Clinton. The template goes something like, "Bush (or Clinton) is undermining xxx progressive value by xxx horrible action so call now and stop him!" Can we learn a different approach that doesn't start out with a negative, alarmist claim about Obama doing something wrong?

There's a difference between skepticism and cynicism. Right now cynicism is the biggest enemy of progress for liberal causes.
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  -As Obama said clearly and strongly in the press conference re: criticism concerning change Windy  Nov-26-08 10:08 AM   #0 
  - I was glad he made that clear. He has the final decision. n/t  firedupdem   Nov-26-08 10:09 AM   #1 
  - He is all about responsiblity... accepting it and running with it.  Windy   Nov-26-08 10:12 AM   #3 
     - responsible to whom?  Two Americas   Nov-28-08 11:09 AM   #77 
  - Yes. If it was not obvious before, it is now.  Jennicut   Nov-26-08 10:11 AM   #2 
  - Of course. Thats what many of us have been saying.  bunnies   Nov-26-08 10:12 AM   #4 
  - Change comes from the top  skeewee08   Nov-26-08 10:13 AM   #5 
  - Actually change usually comes from people at the bottom pressuring the people at the top.  MN Against Bush   Nov-26-08 07:13 PM   #71 
     - Exactly! That's what the STFU faction seems to forget.  Raineyb   Nov-29-08 03:07 PM   #78 
  - Exactly what I've been thinking.  Merlot   Nov-26-08 10:16 AM   #6 
  - yup.... I lost audio for the question and much of the response but I caught that part  happychatter   Nov-26-08 10:17 AM   #7 
  - What was Ed Henry thinking when he asked that question?  lamp_shade   Nov-26-08 10:18 AM   #8 
  - I don't want people to not complain....  happychatter   Nov-26-08 10:21 AM   #9 
  - OMG Bush is drunk as a skunk  happychatter   Nov-26-08 10:22 AM   #10 
  - Is he saying that he's the decider?  nichomachus   Nov-26-08 10:23 AM   #11 
  - Fuckin'  zidzi   Nov-26-08 10:25 AM   #13 
  - Not one for hating subtly, are you?  bunnies   Nov-26-08 10:33 AM   #16 
  - one by one, they earn their way back to my private nether realm  happychatter   Nov-26-08 11:22 AM   #28 
     - It amazes me...  bunnies   Nov-26-08 11:26 AM   #31 
        - it amazes me that YOU have avoided tombstone when you are outright attacking DUers  FarceOfNature   Nov-26-08 01:34 PM   #36 
           - Are you on crack?  bunnies   Nov-26-08 02:11 PM   #37 
              - play dumb, you're good at it!  FarceOfNature   Nov-26-08 02:19 PM   #38 
                 - I'll take that as a yes.  bunnies   Nov-26-08 02:20 PM   #39 
                    - Oohhhh can I join your hyena pack?  Debi   Nov-26-08 03:04 PM   #47 
                       - Debi!!! (((hugs)))  bunnies   Nov-26-08 03:28 PM   #49 
                          - Blue as blue can be! YAY  Debi   Nov-26-08 08:46 PM   #76 
  - They see me rollin'. They hatin'.  Occam Bandage   Nov-26-08 10:34 AM   #17 
  - ............  FarceOfNature   Nov-26-08 01:32 PM   #35 
  - Don't hurt yourself on that reach.  tekisui   Nov-26-08 05:00 PM   #67 
  - And, that's what I knew all along.  zidzi   Nov-26-08 10:23 AM   #12 
  - Methinkz we're having a bad case of *hangover.  yowzayowzayowza   Nov-26-08 10:29 AM   #14 
     - I'm still  zidzi   Nov-26-08 10:38 AM   #19 
  - Has Obama already had more press conferences than * had in 8 years?  TOJ   Nov-26-08 10:31 AM   #15 
  - And, it's driving  zidzi   Nov-26-08 10:37 AM   #18 
  - And three times the # of Q&A sessions  BelgianMadCow   Nov-26-08 04:12 PM   #61 
  - Actually, the change comes from US.  Kalyke   Nov-26-08 10:48 AM   #20 
  - If you were looking for the far left, like Kucinich, you aren't going to get that with obama.  Windy   Nov-26-08 10:59 AM   #21 
  - kucinich is not "far left".  tomp   Nov-26-08 11:02 AM   #22 
  - I believe that he is in a lot of respects and I never said that I didn't agree with  Windy   Nov-26-08 11:07 AM   #23 
  - Oh dear  ayeshahaqqiqa   Nov-26-08 11:12 AM   #26 
  - One of Kucinich's economic advisors was on DemocracyNow yesterday  happychatter   Nov-26-08 11:26 AM   #30 
  - What has Kucinich actually accomplished?  Truth Hurts A Lot   Nov-26-08 11:10 AM   #24 
     - He was the only one with the guts to read articles of impeachment in the House.  LittleApple81   Nov-26-08 11:19 AM   #27 
  - As if only centrists are brilliant and pragmatic? Obama never labeled himself centrist, others do.  OMomma   Nov-26-08 12:27 PM   #32 
     - Exactly.  Radical Activist   Nov-26-08 02:31 PM   #40 
  - yes, that is a big part of it  Two Americas   Nov-26-08 03:57 PM   #59 
  - ...  AyanEva   Nov-26-08 11:11 AM   #25 
  - I think its hard for a lot of people.  Radical Activist   Nov-26-08 02:32 PM   #41 
  - It would be nice to see some appointments that put the fear of god in the elite  yurbud   Nov-26-08 11:23 AM   #29 
  - He should be 'prosecuting'?  stillcool47   Nov-26-08 07:13 PM   #72 
  - this is so weak  Two Americas   Nov-26-08 12:58 PM   #33 
  - And there's another problem from the opposite side.  Radical Activist   Nov-26-08 02:39 PM   #42 
  - yes  Two Americas   Nov-26-08 02:53 PM   #44 
  - The movement should be capable of self evaluation.  Radical Activist   Nov-26-08 03:03 PM   #46 
     - ok  Two Americas   Nov-26-08 03:16 PM   #48 
  - response  Two Americas   Nov-26-08 03:35 PM   #51 
     - You must be reading a different DU.  Radical Activist   Nov-26-08 06:30 PM   #68 
        - ok...  Two Americas   Nov-26-08 07:04 PM   #70 
           - It seems like you would rather set up straw men  Radical Activist   Nov-26-08 07:35 PM   #73 
              - that is the best I can do  Two Americas   Nov-26-08 07:46 PM   #74 
  - Well  BeFree   Nov-26-08 02:40 PM   #43 
  - who was looking for that?  Two Americas   Nov-26-08 02:57 PM   #45 
     - Exactly  BeFree   Nov-26-08 03:34 PM   #50 
        - no  Two Americas   Nov-26-08 03:39 PM   #53 
           - Hey!  BeFree   Nov-26-08 03:42 PM   #54 
              - I hear you  Two Americas   Nov-26-08 03:45 PM   #56 
  - Bravo.  political_Dem   Nov-26-08 03:47 PM   #57 
  - how many of these fucking threads do we need a day?  FarceOfNature   Nov-26-08 01:31 PM   #34 
  - I thought Freedom of Speech was applicable to all,  FrenchieCat   Nov-26-08 03:37 PM   #52 
  - of course  Two Americas   Nov-26-08 03:43 PM   #55 
     - And so it goes....  FrenchieCat   Nov-26-08 04:25 PM   #62 
  - what I would prefer  Two Americas   Nov-26-08 04:03 PM   #60 
  - The M$M is just trying to drive a wedge with Obama and his base...  Kahuna   Nov-26-08 03:52 PM   #58 
  - I always knew that, but I'm glad he stated it clearly so others will get it.  Diamonique   Nov-26-08 04:27 PM   #63 
  - It's a lame defense and he shouldn't have to make it.  dailykoff   Nov-26-08 04:29 PM   #64 
  - Chris Kofina (sp?) was on MSNBC early this afternoon and made  Vinca   Nov-26-08 04:39 PM   #65 
  - Yes!  Life Long Dem   Nov-26-08 04:57 PM   #66 
  - They don't say a lot - they say everything. n/t  FlaGranny   Nov-26-08 06:45 PM   #69 
  - K & R  democracy1st   Nov-26-08 08:37 PM   #75 

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