| 141. Pete Williams vs Barack Obama |
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now which one do you think is more likely to actually know the case history on this?
Resolution passes to lower SOS salary problem solved.
BTW It has nothing to do with Hillary it would apply to all Senators and Congressman in office.
Lower the salary everything finished. happened before will happen again.
And it will be posted here 8 more times.
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| -NBC Legal Analyst Pete Williams Says it is Unconstitutional to Appoint Hillary SOS. |
hnmnf |
Nov-25-08 02:48 PM |
#0 |
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Any clue as to WHY it would be unconstitutional? |
GodlessBiker |
Nov-25-08 02:50 PM |
#1 |
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I smell BS |
Vincardog |
Nov-25-08 02:50 PM |
#2 |
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"NBC Legal Analyst " |
KansDem |
Nov-25-08 02:53 PM |
#8 |
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Williams = legal issues reporter. Obama = Constitutional scholar/professor. (nt) |
JaneQPublic |
Nov-25-08 03:22 PM |
#68 |
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And that's all we really need to know...(nt) |
KansDem |
Nov-25-08 03:32 PM |
#91 |
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So Clinton steps down as senator and then is appointed |
high density |
Nov-25-08 02:51 PM |
#3 |
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Actually, he is pushing the meme |
polmaven |
Nov-25-08 03:32 PM |
#90 |
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Actually, he's right, it would be illegal. However, this has been skirted before. |
TheWraith |
Nov-25-08 11:05 PM |
#143 |
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He is right. |
Kalyke |
Nov-26-08 11:54 AM |
#162 |
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why would it be.... |
dennis4868 |
Nov-25-08 02:51 PM |
#4 |
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LOL! |
SIMPLYB1980 |
Nov-25-08 02:52 PM |
#5 |
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pwned. nt |
bunnies |
Nov-25-08 02:53 PM |
#7 |
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Pete Williams has been a pretty fair legal analyst for NBC |
hnmnf |
Nov-25-08 02:54 PM |
#12 |
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Fair like FAUX news. |
SIMPLYB1980 |
Nov-25-08 03:01 PM |
#32 |
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Do you have evidence based on his reporting that he isnt fair? |
hnmnf |
Nov-25-08 03:02 PM |
#34 |
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Can you find any evidence that he is fair based on his reporting? |
SIMPLYB1980 |
Nov-25-08 03:05 PM |
#41 |
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Again, A reporter is assumed neutral. Therefore the onus is on you to declare bias |
hnmnf |
Nov-25-08 03:09 PM |
#50 |
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Here is one, but I will not waste anymore of my time researching this RW blowhard. |
SIMPLYB1980 |
Nov-25-08 03:53 PM |
#103 |
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HAHAHA |
Harvey Korman |
Nov-25-08 03:01 PM |
#29 |
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Just because he's EVIL doesn't mean he's WRONG. n/t |
IanDB1 |
Nov-25-08 03:19 PM |
#61 |
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What is his reasoning? |
ashling |
Nov-25-08 02:52 PM |
#6 |
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her last name is Clinton |
wyldwolf |
Nov-25-08 02:53 PM |
#9 |
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probably the money from foreign government things her husband is into. |
Whisp |
Nov-25-08 02:54 PM |
#10 |
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It's something to do with not being Constitutional to take someone out of the Senate and |
jenmito |
Nov-25-08 02:55 PM |
#13 |
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No. It is about voting on a raise for the position of SOS, then becoming SOS. |
No Elephants |
Nov-25-08 03:51 PM |
#102 |
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Exactly -- so, take the raise/advantage away, and it's okay |
LostinVA |
Nov-26-08 11:44 AM |
#156 |
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Dude is a former employee of Dick Cheney (and you know how right he is |
Lex |
Nov-25-08 02:54 PM |
#11 |
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Thats kind of a cop out |
hnmnf |
Nov-25-08 02:57 PM |
#18 |
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in what respect, Charlie? |
Lex |
Nov-25-08 02:59 PM |
#23 |
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Can you give me proof by his reporting that hes unfair to the left and favors the right? |
hnmnf |
Nov-25-08 03:00 PM |
#27 |
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Can you prove to me that he's a neutral reporter? |
Lex |
Nov-25-08 03:02 PM |
#33 |
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The Onus is on you my friend. A reporter is assumed to start out neutral |
hnmnf |
Nov-25-08 03:03 PM |
#39 |
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You were the one urging us to believe him. Why should I? |
Lex |
Nov-25-08 03:08 PM |
#48 |
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Ok, so you have no proof. |
hnmnf |
Nov-25-08 03:10 PM |
#51 |
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1. I trust Obama over Pete Williams. 2. His association with Cheney |
Lex |
Nov-25-08 03:13 PM |
#54 |
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Tim Russert was COS for Daniel Patrick Moynahan. That sure didnt kill his credibility |
hnmnf |
Nov-25-08 03:17 PM |
#58 |
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Well, we'll see what kind of credibility Williams has pretty soon, won't we? |
Lex |
Nov-25-08 03:22 PM |
#70 |
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So dont you think its a little unfair to pre-emptively declare he has no credibility? |
hnmnf |
Nov-25-08 03:24 PM |
#71 |
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He has no cred on this -- there is bipartisan precedence stretching back to 1909 |
LostinVA |
Nov-25-08 03:27 PM |
#77 |
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He stated its unconstitutional, but often ignored. |
hnmnf |
Nov-25-08 03:29 PM |
#85 |
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He isn't NOW since he was OUTED |
LostinVA |
Nov-25-08 03:31 PM |
#89 |
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You obviously didn't see what he said today or you wouldn't have made such a statement |
jenmito |
Nov-25-08 05:38 PM |
#133 |
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No, I watched it -- he said it was unconstitutional, when it patently isn't |
LostinVA |
Nov-26-08 11:45 AM |
#158 |
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If you really DID watch it, you didn't understand it since HE named the other times |
jenmito |
Nov-26-08 07:28 PM |
#167 |
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No, because I have a perfect right to my opinion about him due |
Lex |
Nov-25-08 03:29 PM |
#83 |
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Gasp! You dare to suggest that the news media is NOT always neutral??? |
yardwork |
Nov-25-08 03:49 PM |
#101 |
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Right being the operative word. |
yardwork |
Nov-25-08 02:58 PM |
#19 |
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Since this is the 3rd time this theory has been posted, don't shoot the source |
HughMoran |
Nov-25-08 08:14 PM |
#137 |
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Hey Pete, you forgot that Obama taught constitutional law |
emulatorloo |
Nov-25-08 02:55 PM |
#14 |
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Except she can ... |
S_E_Fudd |
Nov-25-08 02:55 PM |
#15 |
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Pete said that constitutional scholars say that doesnt fix things, but people just ignore it. |
hnmnf |
Nov-25-08 02:57 PM |
#16 |
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Depends on the interpretation... |
S_E_Fudd |
Nov-25-08 02:57 PM |
#17 |
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He cited "Article 1, Section 6" of the Constitution which says... |
jenmito |
Nov-25-08 02:58 PM |
#20 |
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They are really stretching here, that's for sure |
LostinVA |
Nov-25-08 02:59 PM |
#24 |
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They're just pointing out the Constitution. They went on to cite 4 examples of it |
jenmito |
Nov-25-08 03:01 PM |
#31 |
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And how many of those didn't get appointed? |
S_E_Fudd |
Nov-25-08 03:03 PM |
#37 |
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Bingo -- if it was Kerry, there wouldn't be one thread about it one here |
LostinVA |
Nov-25-08 03:04 PM |
#40 |
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Actually there would be 5 of them |
karynnj |
Nov-25-08 03:19 PM |
#62 |
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Yeah, I checked: Saxe wasn't the first -- the first instance was in 1909 |
LostinVA |
Nov-25-08 03:28 PM |
#80 |
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So, there is a wealth of precedent here |
karynnj |
Nov-25-08 03:39 PM |
#97 |
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Yes -- as recently as Bill Clinton, when Poppy helped okay Bentsen |
LostinVA |
Nov-26-08 11:46 AM |
#159 |
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None of them, which they SAID. A LOT of things that don't usually get publicity will |
jenmito |
Nov-25-08 03:12 PM |
#53 |
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THis has been posted over and over and over again on here -- it is NOT a big deal |
LostinVA |
Nov-25-08 03:03 PM |
#38 |
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Why are you telling ME it's not a big deal? Did I say it IS? I didn't start |
jenmito |
Nov-25-08 03:15 PM |
#56 |
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You just seemed to be acting like it was a bid deal |
LostinVA |
Nov-25-08 03:28 PM |
#81 |
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In what regard, Charlie? |
jenmito |
Nov-25-08 03:30 PM |
#86 |
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Firstly, my name isn't "Charlie," secondly, you were very insistent |
LostinVA |
Nov-25-08 03:31 PM |
# |
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Um, I was quoting Sarah Palin. It was a joke which is why in my message I said |
jenmito |
Nov-25-08 03:38 PM |
#96 |
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Just because an article of the constitution applies to her situation, as it has to others, |
pampango |
Nov-25-08 03:27 PM |
#78 |
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Not unique to Hillary... |
S_E_Fudd |
Nov-25-08 02:59 PM |
#25 |
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They said it wasn't unique to Hillary. They cited 4 examples. n/t |
jenmito |
Nov-25-08 03:03 PM |
#36 |
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And Poppy Bush did his |
LostinVA |
Nov-25-08 03:28 PM |
#82 |
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Wouldn't that disqualify all of congress from serving in a presidential cabinet then? |
ShadowLiberal |
Nov-25-08 10:55 PM |
#142 |
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More info |
ProSense |
Nov-25-08 02:58 PM |
#21 |
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I bet it has something to do with her birth certificate! |
bunnies |
Nov-25-08 02:58 PM |
#22 |
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Seriesly |
LostinVA |
Nov-25-08 02:59 PM |
#26 |
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This is HUGH |
prodn2000 |
Nov-25-08 03:01 PM |
#30 |
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No kidding. |
bunnies |
Nov-25-08 03:02 PM |
#35 |
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This is one time I ahte being right and saying, |
LostinVA |
Nov-25-08 03:06 PM |
#44 |
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If this is accurrate... |
Shiver |
Nov-25-08 03:00 PM |
#28 |
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Why go through all the hassle of trying to fit a senator into this job |
Sebastian Doyle |
Nov-25-08 03:05 PM |
#42 |
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This again? It's BULLSHIT. |
onehandle |
Nov-25-08 03:06 PM |
#43 |
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Obama taught Constitutional Law... |
Juniperx |
Nov-25-08 03:06 PM |
#45 |
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No, no! The sky is falling! |
onehandle |
Nov-25-08 03:25 PM |
#72 |
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Have DUers been without goodness so long they sabotage their own happiness? |
Juniperx |
Nov-25-08 03:32 PM |
#92 |
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Pete Williams revealed his nuttiness |
Jim4Wes |
Nov-25-08 03:06 PM |
#46 |
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Obama has yet to make a formal offer of SoS and there must be a reason why. |
AtomicKitten |
Nov-25-08 03:07 PM |
#47 |
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You know this how?...nt |
S_E_Fudd |
Nov-25-08 03:09 PM |
#49 |
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A highly-placed source on a blog |
LostinVA |
Nov-25-08 03:11 PM |
#52 |
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LOL. |
Lex |
Nov-25-08 03:14 PM |
#55 |
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Nothing more reliable than an anonymous poster... |
S_E_Fudd |
Nov-25-08 03:15 PM |
#57 |
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Hey, I've known them a long time and they've NEVER been wrong! |
LostinVA |
Nov-25-08 03:29 PM |
#84 |
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Dick Cheney's former spokesperson is even more reliable, though. |
yardwork |
Nov-25-08 03:47 PM |
#100 |
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The Obama camp has reiterated that no formal offer has been made, that the vetting process is |
AtomicKitten |
Nov-25-08 03:17 PM |
#59 |
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Guess I missed that announcement... |
S_E_Fudd |
Nov-25-08 03:18 PM |
#60 |
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you missed the announcement of a formal offer because there was none, not yet |
AtomicKitten |
Nov-25-08 04:22 PM |
#126 |
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This was the only thing I could find |
ProSense |
Nov-25-08 03:19 PM |
#63 |
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And how does this prove no formal offer has been made?... |
S_E_Fudd |
Nov-25-08 03:20 PM |
#64 |
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Can you prove that one has been made? How do you know what has happened? |
ProSense |
Nov-25-08 03:22 PM |
#66 |
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No...but I didn't make the claim... |
S_E_Fudd |
Nov-25-08 03:22 PM |
#69 |
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So you're questioning someone else's opinion when you don't know anything. |
ProSense |
Nov-25-08 03:25 PM |
#73 |
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Hmmm... |
S_E_Fudd |
Nov-25-08 03:30 PM |
#87 |
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thanks for the link |
AtomicKitten |
Nov-25-08 03:20 PM |
#65 |
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Again... |
S_E_Fudd |
Nov-25-08 03:22 PM |
#67 |
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It's political theater, a dance. No worries, you can think whatever you want. |
AtomicKitten |
Nov-25-08 03:26 PM |
#76 |
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And you know this how?...nt |
S_E_Fudd |
Nov-25-08 03:34 PM |
#95 |
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Obama is holding the Secretary of Commerce nomination. |
AtomicKitten |
Nov-25-08 03:39 PM |
#98 |
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I don't know what it meams... |
S_E_Fudd |
Nov-25-08 03:46 PM |
#99 |
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"indicate your statements are opinion and speculation" What are you trying to prove? |
ProSense |
Nov-25-08 03:56 PM |
#105 |
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She didn't state an opinion... |
S_E_Fudd |
Nov-25-08 04:00 PM |
#107 |
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here's a link that was posted on Huffington Post |
AtomicKitten |
Nov-25-08 04:02 PM |
#109 |
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Here's one for you...one that's not almost a week old... |
S_E_Fudd |
Nov-25-08 04:03 PM |
#110 |
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expects to if she passes the vetting process which is still in progress |
AtomicKitten |
Nov-25-08 04:05 PM |
#112 |
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In your opinion right? |
S_E_Fudd |
Nov-25-08 04:06 PM |
#113 |
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Again, please feel free to believe whatever you want. |
AtomicKitten |
Nov-25-08 04:10 PM |
#115 |
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Really... |
S_E_Fudd |
Nov-25-08 04:10 PM |
#116 |
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really, you can believe whatever you want, but be sure to clap loud enough for Tinkerbelle |
AtomicKitten |
Nov-25-08 04:14 PM |
#120 |
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Really? It is? |
S_E_Fudd |
Nov-25-08 04:09 PM |
#114 |
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sounds like the same blog chatter you & yours were dissing upthread |
AtomicKitten |
Nov-25-08 04:14 PM |
#118 |
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But I didn't claim them as fact... |
S_E_Fudd |
Nov-25-08 04:15 PM |
#121 |
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"on track" in vetting does not equal a formal offer. Sorry. I know how much you want to believe. |
AtomicKitten |
Nov-25-08 04:19 PM |
#124 |
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>>>>>> Hey, where's that link to Obama formally offering (nominating) Clinton for SoS? |
AtomicKitten |
Nov-25-08 08:07 PM |
#136 |
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Are you purposely being obtuse? |
S_E_Fudd |
Nov-26-08 07:21 AM |
#148 |
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So, where's the link? You adamantly disagreed that no formal offer had been made. |
AtomicKitten |
Nov-26-08 11:39 AM |
#153 |
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C'mon... |
S_E_Fudd |
Nov-26-08 11:54 AM |
#163 |
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So you've got nothing, right? Check. |
AtomicKitten |
Nov-26-08 11:56 AM |
#164 |
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With reference to my previous post... |
S_E_Fudd |
Nov-26-08 12:01 PM |
#165 |
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Honestly.... HOW did the Obama camp not see this coming? |
WildEyedLiberal |
Nov-26-08 12:10 AM |
#144 |
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It turns out the Clinton camp fabricated the SoS offer. Link inside: |
AtomicKitten |
Nov-26-08 01:14 AM |
#146 |
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I suspected that from the beginning |
WildEyedLiberal |
Nov-26-08 01:41 AM |
#147 |
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Even more mind-numbing are those |
AtomicKitten |
Nov-26-08 11:52 AM |
#161 |
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It means, to me, that Obama is announcing, (or leaking,) his picks in waves. |
prodn2000 |
Nov-25-08 03:55 PM |
#104 |
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The offer has been made. The announcement will be after Thanksgiving. |
onehandle |
Nov-25-08 03:27 PM |
#79 |
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Vetting comes BEFORE the formal offer, and she is still knee-deep in vetting. |
AtomicKitten |
Nov-25-08 03:34 PM |
#94 |
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Frankly, I don't give a damn anymore. |
Beacool |
Nov-25-08 03:25 PM |
#74 |
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If HRC accepts the position, the "Saxe Fix" will kick in -- it's a Dem Congress |
LostinVA |
Nov-25-08 03:25 PM |
#75 |
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This probably explains why. Axelrod said the Commerce Secretary wouldn't be named this week |
BrentTaylor |
Nov-25-08 03:31 PM |
#88 |
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We just need to wait 24 "business hours." |
prodn2000 |
Nov-25-08 03:33 PM |
#93 |
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msnbc lady says they can just go back to the old pay rate |
Truth Hurts A Lot |
Nov-25-08 03:58 PM |
#106 |
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From what I read it does mean that Clinton is inelegible, however... |
last1standing |
Nov-25-08 04:00 PM |
#108 |
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You arent appointed President, you are elected. |
hnmnf |
Nov-25-08 04:03 PM |
#111 |
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unless you're * |
northernlights |
Nov-25-08 04:14 PM |
#119 |
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'Appointed' is a somewhat elastic term in that respect. |
last1standing |
Nov-25-08 04:16 PM |
#122 |
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It's true - but Obama can get around it the way others have if he wants to. |
polichick |
Nov-25-08 04:12 PM |
#117 |
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I saw that too. |
ErinBerin84 |
Nov-25-08 04:16 PM |
#123 |
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It's called the Saxbe Fix |
oktoberain |
Nov-25-08 04:20 PM |
#125 |
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I didn't know about either things, myself. |
GreenPartyVoter |
Nov-25-08 04:23 PM |
#127 |
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"Obama would be going against the constitution." It's funny, I said in a thread days ago that |
MetricSystem |
Nov-25-08 04:40 PM |
#128 |
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I'm not into shooting the messenger but it figures you would |
cat_girl25 |
Nov-25-08 04:51 PM |
#129 |
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If thats the Constitution Obama and Hillary should respect it. We can't bash Bush and his cronies |
BrentTaylor |
Nov-25-08 04:51 PM |
#130 |
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Well said. We don't want to be guilty of the dreaded "hypocrisy", |
pampango |
Nov-26-08 07:39 AM |
#149 |
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Why am I not surprised this |
laugle |
Nov-25-08 04:53 PM |
#131 |
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Article 2, Section 73, Clause 14 says you and Pete Williams should go fly a kite |
mtnsnake |
Nov-25-08 04:59 PM |
#132 |
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If Pete lived in CA, he couldn't get married. |
Rockholm |
Nov-25-08 05:44 PM |
#134 |
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Actually, the SoS is not appointed, merely nominated |
KamaAina |
Nov-25-08 06:30 PM |
#135 |
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Pete Williams is a Cheney asset. |
TexasObserver |
Nov-25-08 08:53 PM |
#138 |
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I thought Pete was the pentagon correspondent? Former Chney staff? |
bluedawg12 |
Nov-25-08 09:35 PM |
#139 |
| -
News Flash! |
Jamastiene |
Nov-25-08 10:17 PM |
#140 |
| -
Pete Williams vs Barack Obama |
grantcart |
Nov-25-08 10:29 PM |
#141 |
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I'd be disappointed if Obama used a shenanigan to go around the constitution. |
dkf |
Nov-26-08 12:26 AM |
#145 |
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lol,saw it coming from a mile away. |
sufrommich |
Nov-26-08 07:50 AM |
#150 |
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ROFLMAO!!!!!!! |
OPERATIONMINDCRIME |
Nov-26-08 09:56 AM |
#151 |
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The "Saxe Fix" is a shenanigan now? |
LostinVA |
Nov-26-08 10:04 AM |
#152 |
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Yes, he must preserve the constitution at all costs. |
JVS |
Nov-26-08 11:44 AM |
#157 |
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Can't she just resign her senate seat and the accept the SOS job? |
chimpsrsmarter |
Nov-26-08 11:40 AM |
#154 |
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No -- it's written so that can't happen |
LostinVA |
Nov-26-08 11:43 AM |
#155 |
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Wow, Look At All The Recs For This Thread! |
Dinger |
Nov-26-08 11:48 AM |
#160 |
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What, no recs? |
pecwae |
Nov-26-08 12:06 PM |
#166 |
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