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Tue Nov-25-08 03:33 PM
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| 93. We just need to wait 24 "business hours." |
| -NBC Legal Analyst Pete Williams Says it is Unconstitutional to Appoint Hillary SOS. |
hnmnf |
Nov-25-08 02:48 PM |
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Any clue as to WHY it would be unconstitutional? |
GodlessBiker |
Nov-25-08 02:50 PM |
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I smell BS |
Vincardog |
Nov-25-08 02:50 PM |
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"NBC Legal Analyst " |
KansDem |
Nov-25-08 02:53 PM |
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Williams = legal issues reporter. Obama = Constitutional scholar/professor. (nt) |
JaneQPublic |
Nov-25-08 03:22 PM |
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And that's all we really need to know...(nt) |
KansDem |
Nov-25-08 03:32 PM |
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So Clinton steps down as senator and then is appointed |
high density |
Nov-25-08 02:51 PM |
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Actually, he is pushing the meme |
polmaven |
Nov-25-08 03:32 PM |
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Actually, he's right, it would be illegal. However, this has been skirted before. |
TheWraith |
Nov-25-08 11:05 PM |
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He is right. |
Kalyke |
Nov-26-08 11:54 AM |
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why would it be.... |
dennis4868 |
Nov-25-08 02:51 PM |
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LOL! |
SIMPLYB1980 |
Nov-25-08 02:52 PM |
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pwned. nt |
bunnies |
Nov-25-08 02:53 PM |
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Pete Williams has been a pretty fair legal analyst for NBC |
hnmnf |
Nov-25-08 02:54 PM |
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Fair like FAUX news. |
SIMPLYB1980 |
Nov-25-08 03:01 PM |
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Do you have evidence based on his reporting that he isnt fair? |
hnmnf |
Nov-25-08 03:02 PM |
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Can you find any evidence that he is fair based on his reporting? |
SIMPLYB1980 |
Nov-25-08 03:05 PM |
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Again, A reporter is assumed neutral. Therefore the onus is on you to declare bias |
hnmnf |
Nov-25-08 03:09 PM |
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Here is one, but I will not waste anymore of my time researching this RW blowhard. |
SIMPLYB1980 |
Nov-25-08 03:53 PM |
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HAHAHA |
Harvey Korman |
Nov-25-08 03:01 PM |
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Just because he's EVIL doesn't mean he's WRONG. n/t |
IanDB1 |
Nov-25-08 03:19 PM |
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What is his reasoning? |
ashling |
Nov-25-08 02:52 PM |
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her last name is Clinton |
wyldwolf |
Nov-25-08 02:53 PM |
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probably the money from foreign government things her husband is into. |
Whisp |
Nov-25-08 02:54 PM |
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It's something to do with not being Constitutional to take someone out of the Senate and |
jenmito |
Nov-25-08 02:55 PM |
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No. It is about voting on a raise for the position of SOS, then becoming SOS. |
No Elephants |
Nov-25-08 03:51 PM |
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Exactly -- so, take the raise/advantage away, and it's okay |
LostinVA |
Nov-26-08 11:44 AM |
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Dude is a former employee of Dick Cheney (and you know how right he is |
Lex |
Nov-25-08 02:54 PM |
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Thats kind of a cop out |
hnmnf |
Nov-25-08 02:57 PM |
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in what respect, Charlie? |
Lex |
Nov-25-08 02:59 PM |
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Can you give me proof by his reporting that hes unfair to the left and favors the right? |
hnmnf |
Nov-25-08 03:00 PM |
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Can you prove to me that he's a neutral reporter? |
Lex |
Nov-25-08 03:02 PM |
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The Onus is on you my friend. A reporter is assumed to start out neutral |
hnmnf |
Nov-25-08 03:03 PM |
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You were the one urging us to believe him. Why should I? |
Lex |
Nov-25-08 03:08 PM |
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Ok, so you have no proof. |
hnmnf |
Nov-25-08 03:10 PM |
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1. I trust Obama over Pete Williams. 2. His association with Cheney |
Lex |
Nov-25-08 03:13 PM |
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Tim Russert was COS for Daniel Patrick Moynahan. That sure didnt kill his credibility |
hnmnf |
Nov-25-08 03:17 PM |
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Well, we'll see what kind of credibility Williams has pretty soon, won't we? |
Lex |
Nov-25-08 03:22 PM |
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So dont you think its a little unfair to pre-emptively declare he has no credibility? |
hnmnf |
Nov-25-08 03:24 PM |
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He has no cred on this -- there is bipartisan precedence stretching back to 1909 |
LostinVA |
Nov-25-08 03:27 PM |
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He stated its unconstitutional, but often ignored. |
hnmnf |
Nov-25-08 03:29 PM |
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He isn't NOW since he was OUTED |
LostinVA |
Nov-25-08 03:31 PM |
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You obviously didn't see what he said today or you wouldn't have made such a statement |
jenmito |
Nov-25-08 05:38 PM |
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No, I watched it -- he said it was unconstitutional, when it patently isn't |
LostinVA |
Nov-26-08 11:45 AM |
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If you really DID watch it, you didn't understand it since HE named the other times |
jenmito |
Nov-26-08 07:28 PM |
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No, because I have a perfect right to my opinion about him due |
Lex |
Nov-25-08 03:29 PM |
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Gasp! You dare to suggest that the news media is NOT always neutral??? |
yardwork |
Nov-25-08 03:49 PM |
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Right being the operative word. |
yardwork |
Nov-25-08 02:58 PM |
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Since this is the 3rd time this theory has been posted, don't shoot the source |
HughMoran |
Nov-25-08 08:14 PM |
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Hey Pete, you forgot that Obama taught constitutional law |
emulatorloo |
Nov-25-08 02:55 PM |
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Except she can ... |
S_E_Fudd |
Nov-25-08 02:55 PM |
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Pete said that constitutional scholars say that doesnt fix things, but people just ignore it. |
hnmnf |
Nov-25-08 02:57 PM |
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Depends on the interpretation... |
S_E_Fudd |
Nov-25-08 02:57 PM |
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He cited "Article 1, Section 6" of the Constitution which says... |
jenmito |
Nov-25-08 02:58 PM |
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They are really stretching here, that's for sure |
LostinVA |
Nov-25-08 02:59 PM |
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They're just pointing out the Constitution. They went on to cite 4 examples of it |
jenmito |
Nov-25-08 03:01 PM |
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And how many of those didn't get appointed? |
S_E_Fudd |
Nov-25-08 03:03 PM |
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Bingo -- if it was Kerry, there wouldn't be one thread about it one here |
LostinVA |
Nov-25-08 03:04 PM |
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Actually there would be 5 of them |
karynnj |
Nov-25-08 03:19 PM |
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Yeah, I checked: Saxe wasn't the first -- the first instance was in 1909 |
LostinVA |
Nov-25-08 03:28 PM |
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So, there is a wealth of precedent here |
karynnj |
Nov-25-08 03:39 PM |
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Yes -- as recently as Bill Clinton, when Poppy helped okay Bentsen |
LostinVA |
Nov-26-08 11:46 AM |
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None of them, which they SAID. A LOT of things that don't usually get publicity will |
jenmito |
Nov-25-08 03:12 PM |
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THis has been posted over and over and over again on here -- it is NOT a big deal |
LostinVA |
Nov-25-08 03:03 PM |
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Why are you telling ME it's not a big deal? Did I say it IS? I didn't start |
jenmito |
Nov-25-08 03:15 PM |
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You just seemed to be acting like it was a bid deal |
LostinVA |
Nov-25-08 03:28 PM |
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In what regard, Charlie? |
jenmito |
Nov-25-08 03:30 PM |
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Firstly, my name isn't "Charlie," secondly, you were very insistent |
LostinVA |
Nov-25-08 03:31 PM |
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Um, I was quoting Sarah Palin. It was a joke which is why in my message I said |
jenmito |
Nov-25-08 03:38 PM |
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Just because an article of the constitution applies to her situation, as it has to others, |
pampango |
Nov-25-08 03:27 PM |
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Not unique to Hillary... |
S_E_Fudd |
Nov-25-08 02:59 PM |
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They said it wasn't unique to Hillary. They cited 4 examples. n/t |
jenmito |
Nov-25-08 03:03 PM |
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And Poppy Bush did his |
LostinVA |
Nov-25-08 03:28 PM |
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Wouldn't that disqualify all of congress from serving in a presidential cabinet then? |
ShadowLiberal |
Nov-25-08 10:55 PM |
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More info |
ProSense |
Nov-25-08 02:58 PM |
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I bet it has something to do with her birth certificate! |
bunnies |
Nov-25-08 02:58 PM |
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Seriesly |
LostinVA |
Nov-25-08 02:59 PM |
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This is HUGH |
prodn2000 |
Nov-25-08 03:01 PM |
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No kidding. |
bunnies |
Nov-25-08 03:02 PM |
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This is one time I ahte being right and saying, |
LostinVA |
Nov-25-08 03:06 PM |
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If this is accurrate... |
Shiver |
Nov-25-08 03:00 PM |
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Why go through all the hassle of trying to fit a senator into this job |
Sebastian Doyle |
Nov-25-08 03:05 PM |
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This again? It's BULLSHIT. |
onehandle |
Nov-25-08 03:06 PM |
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Obama taught Constitutional Law... |
Juniperx |
Nov-25-08 03:06 PM |
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No, no! The sky is falling! |
onehandle |
Nov-25-08 03:25 PM |
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Have DUers been without goodness so long they sabotage their own happiness? |
Juniperx |
Nov-25-08 03:32 PM |
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Pete Williams revealed his nuttiness |
Jim4Wes |
Nov-25-08 03:06 PM |
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Obama has yet to make a formal offer of SoS and there must be a reason why. |
AtomicKitten |
Nov-25-08 03:07 PM |
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You know this how?...nt |
S_E_Fudd |
Nov-25-08 03:09 PM |
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A highly-placed source on a blog |
LostinVA |
Nov-25-08 03:11 PM |
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LOL. |
Lex |
Nov-25-08 03:14 PM |
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Nothing more reliable than an anonymous poster... |
S_E_Fudd |
Nov-25-08 03:15 PM |
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Hey, I've known them a long time and they've NEVER been wrong! |
LostinVA |
Nov-25-08 03:29 PM |
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Dick Cheney's former spokesperson is even more reliable, though. |
yardwork |
Nov-25-08 03:47 PM |
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The Obama camp has reiterated that no formal offer has been made, that the vetting process is |
AtomicKitten |
Nov-25-08 03:17 PM |
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Guess I missed that announcement... |
S_E_Fudd |
Nov-25-08 03:18 PM |
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you missed the announcement of a formal offer because there was none, not yet |
AtomicKitten |
Nov-25-08 04:22 PM |
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This was the only thing I could find |
ProSense |
Nov-25-08 03:19 PM |
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And how does this prove no formal offer has been made?... |
S_E_Fudd |
Nov-25-08 03:20 PM |
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Can you prove that one has been made? How do you know what has happened? |
ProSense |
Nov-25-08 03:22 PM |
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No...but I didn't make the claim... |
S_E_Fudd |
Nov-25-08 03:22 PM |
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So you're questioning someone else's opinion when you don't know anything. |
ProSense |
Nov-25-08 03:25 PM |
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Hmmm... |
S_E_Fudd |
Nov-25-08 03:30 PM |
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thanks for the link |
AtomicKitten |
Nov-25-08 03:20 PM |
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Again... |
S_E_Fudd |
Nov-25-08 03:22 PM |
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It's political theater, a dance. No worries, you can think whatever you want. |
AtomicKitten |
Nov-25-08 03:26 PM |
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And you know this how?...nt |
S_E_Fudd |
Nov-25-08 03:34 PM |
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Obama is holding the Secretary of Commerce nomination. |
AtomicKitten |
Nov-25-08 03:39 PM |
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I don't know what it meams... |
S_E_Fudd |
Nov-25-08 03:46 PM |
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"indicate your statements are opinion and speculation" What are you trying to prove? |
ProSense |
Nov-25-08 03:56 PM |
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She didn't state an opinion... |
S_E_Fudd |
Nov-25-08 04:00 PM |
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here's a link that was posted on Huffington Post |
AtomicKitten |
Nov-25-08 04:02 PM |
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Here's one for you...one that's not almost a week old... |
S_E_Fudd |
Nov-25-08 04:03 PM |
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expects to if she passes the vetting process which is still in progress |
AtomicKitten |
Nov-25-08 04:05 PM |
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In your opinion right? |
S_E_Fudd |
Nov-25-08 04:06 PM |
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Again, please feel free to believe whatever you want. |
AtomicKitten |
Nov-25-08 04:10 PM |
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Really... |
S_E_Fudd |
Nov-25-08 04:10 PM |
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really, you can believe whatever you want, but be sure to clap loud enough for Tinkerbelle |
AtomicKitten |
Nov-25-08 04:14 PM |
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Really? It is? |
S_E_Fudd |
Nov-25-08 04:09 PM |
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sounds like the same blog chatter you & yours were dissing upthread |
AtomicKitten |
Nov-25-08 04:14 PM |
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But I didn't claim them as fact... |
S_E_Fudd |
Nov-25-08 04:15 PM |
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"on track" in vetting does not equal a formal offer. Sorry. I know how much you want to believe. |
AtomicKitten |
Nov-25-08 04:19 PM |
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>>>>>> Hey, where's that link to Obama formally offering (nominating) Clinton for SoS? |
AtomicKitten |
Nov-25-08 08:07 PM |
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Are you purposely being obtuse? |
S_E_Fudd |
Nov-26-08 07:21 AM |
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So, where's the link? You adamantly disagreed that no formal offer had been made. |
AtomicKitten |
Nov-26-08 11:39 AM |
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C'mon... |
S_E_Fudd |
Nov-26-08 11:54 AM |
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So you've got nothing, right? Check. |
AtomicKitten |
Nov-26-08 11:56 AM |
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With reference to my previous post... |
S_E_Fudd |
Nov-26-08 12:01 PM |
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Honestly.... HOW did the Obama camp not see this coming? |
WildEyedLiberal |
Nov-26-08 12:10 AM |
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It turns out the Clinton camp fabricated the SoS offer. Link inside: |
AtomicKitten |
Nov-26-08 01:14 AM |
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I suspected that from the beginning |
WildEyedLiberal |
Nov-26-08 01:41 AM |
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Even more mind-numbing are those |
AtomicKitten |
Nov-26-08 11:52 AM |
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It means, to me, that Obama is announcing, (or leaking,) his picks in waves. |
prodn2000 |
Nov-25-08 03:55 PM |
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The offer has been made. The announcement will be after Thanksgiving. |
onehandle |
Nov-25-08 03:27 PM |
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Vetting comes BEFORE the formal offer, and she is still knee-deep in vetting. |
AtomicKitten |
Nov-25-08 03:34 PM |
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Frankly, I don't give a damn anymore. |
Beacool |
Nov-25-08 03:25 PM |
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If HRC accepts the position, the "Saxe Fix" will kick in -- it's a Dem Congress |
LostinVA |
Nov-25-08 03:25 PM |
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This probably explains why. Axelrod said the Commerce Secretary wouldn't be named this week |
BrentTaylor |
Nov-25-08 03:31 PM |
#88 |
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We just need to wait 24 "business hours." |
prodn2000 |
Nov-25-08 03:33 PM |
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msnbc lady says they can just go back to the old pay rate |
Truth Hurts A Lot |
Nov-25-08 03:58 PM |
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From what I read it does mean that Clinton is inelegible, however... |
last1standing |
Nov-25-08 04:00 PM |
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You arent appointed President, you are elected. |
hnmnf |
Nov-25-08 04:03 PM |
#111 |
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unless you're * |
northernlights |
Nov-25-08 04:14 PM |
#119 |
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'Appointed' is a somewhat elastic term in that respect. |
last1standing |
Nov-25-08 04:16 PM |
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It's true - but Obama can get around it the way others have if he wants to. |
polichick |
Nov-25-08 04:12 PM |
#117 |
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I saw that too. |
ErinBerin84 |
Nov-25-08 04:16 PM |
#123 |
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It's called the Saxbe Fix |
oktoberain |
Nov-25-08 04:20 PM |
#125 |
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I didn't know about either things, myself. |
GreenPartyVoter |
Nov-25-08 04:23 PM |
#127 |
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"Obama would be going against the constitution." It's funny, I said in a thread days ago that |
MetricSystem |
Nov-25-08 04:40 PM |
#128 |
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I'm not into shooting the messenger but it figures you would |
cat_girl25 |
Nov-25-08 04:51 PM |
#129 |
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If thats the Constitution Obama and Hillary should respect it. We can't bash Bush and his cronies |
BrentTaylor |
Nov-25-08 04:51 PM |
#130 |
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Well said. We don't want to be guilty of the dreaded "hypocrisy", |
pampango |
Nov-26-08 07:39 AM |
#149 |
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Why am I not surprised this |
laugle |
Nov-25-08 04:53 PM |
#131 |
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Article 2, Section 73, Clause 14 says you and Pete Williams should go fly a kite |
mtnsnake |
Nov-25-08 04:59 PM |
#132 |
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If Pete lived in CA, he couldn't get married. |
Rockholm |
Nov-25-08 05:44 PM |
#134 |
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Actually, the SoS is not appointed, merely nominated |
KamaAina |
Nov-25-08 06:30 PM |
#135 |
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Pete Williams is a Cheney asset. |
TexasObserver |
Nov-25-08 08:53 PM |
#138 |
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I thought Pete was the pentagon correspondent? Former Chney staff? |
bluedawg12 |
Nov-25-08 09:35 PM |
#139 |
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News Flash! |
Jamastiene |
Nov-25-08 10:17 PM |
#140 |
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Pete Williams vs Barack Obama |
grantcart |
Nov-25-08 10:29 PM |
#141 |
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I'd be disappointed if Obama used a shenanigan to go around the constitution. |
dkf |
Nov-26-08 12:26 AM |
#145 |
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lol,saw it coming from a mile away. |
sufrommich |
Nov-26-08 07:50 AM |
#150 |
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ROFLMAO!!!!!!! |
OPERATIONMINDCRIME |
Nov-26-08 09:56 AM |
#151 |
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The "Saxe Fix" is a shenanigan now? |
LostinVA |
Nov-26-08 10:04 AM |
#152 |
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Yes, he must preserve the constitution at all costs. |
JVS |
Nov-26-08 11:44 AM |
#157 |
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Can't she just resign her senate seat and the accept the SOS job? |
chimpsrsmarter |
Nov-26-08 11:40 AM |
#154 |
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No -- it's written so that can't happen |
LostinVA |
Nov-26-08 11:43 AM |
#155 |
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Wow, Look At All The Recs For This Thread! |
Dinger |
Nov-26-08 11:48 AM |
#160 |
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What, no recs? |
pecwae |
Nov-26-08 12:06 PM |
#166 |
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