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47. Obama has yet to make a formal offer of SoS and there must be a reason why.
We can only guess.
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  -NBC Legal Analyst Pete Williams Says it is Unconstitutional to Appoint Hillary SOS. hnmnf  Nov-25-08 02:48 PM   #0 
  - Any clue as to WHY it would be unconstitutional?  GodlessBiker   Nov-25-08 02:50 PM   #1 
  - I smell BS  Vincardog   Nov-25-08 02:50 PM   #2 
  - "NBC Legal Analyst "  KansDem   Nov-25-08 02:53 PM   #8 
     - Williams = legal issues reporter. Obama = Constitutional scholar/professor. (nt)  JaneQPublic   Nov-25-08 03:22 PM   #68 
        - And that's all we really need to know...(nt)  KansDem   Nov-25-08 03:32 PM   #91 
  - So Clinton steps down as senator and then is appointed  high density   Nov-25-08 02:51 PM   #3 
  - Actually, he is pushing the meme  polmaven   Nov-25-08 03:32 PM   #90 
     - Actually, he's right, it would be illegal. However, this has been skirted before.  TheWraith   Nov-25-08 11:05 PM   #143 
        - He is right.  Kalyke   Nov-26-08 11:54 AM   #162 
  - why would it be....  dennis4868   Nov-25-08 02:51 PM   #4 
  - LOL!  SIMPLYB1980   Nov-25-08 02:52 PM   #5 
  - pwned. nt  bunnies   Nov-25-08 02:53 PM   #7 
  - Pete Williams has been a pretty fair legal analyst for NBC  hnmnf   Nov-25-08 02:54 PM   #12 
  - Fair like FAUX news.  SIMPLYB1980   Nov-25-08 03:01 PM   #32 
     - Do you have evidence based on his reporting that he isnt fair?  hnmnf   Nov-25-08 03:02 PM   #34 
        - Can you find any evidence that he is fair based on his reporting?  SIMPLYB1980   Nov-25-08 03:05 PM   #41 
           - Again, A reporter is assumed neutral. Therefore the onus is on you to declare bias  hnmnf   Nov-25-08 03:09 PM   #50 
              - Here is one, but I will not waste anymore of my time researching this RW blowhard.  SIMPLYB1980   Nov-25-08 03:53 PM   #103 
  - HAHAHA  Harvey Korman   Nov-25-08 03:01 PM   #29 
  - Just because he's EVIL doesn't mean he's WRONG. n/t  IanDB1   Nov-25-08 03:19 PM   #61 
  - What is his reasoning?  ashling   Nov-25-08 02:52 PM   #6 
  - her last name is Clinton  wyldwolf   Nov-25-08 02:53 PM   #9 
  - probably the money from foreign government things her husband is into.  Whisp   Nov-25-08 02:54 PM   #10 
  - It's something to do with not being Constitutional to take someone out of the Senate and  jenmito   Nov-25-08 02:55 PM   #13 
     - No. It is about voting on a raise for the position of SOS, then becoming SOS.  No Elephants   Nov-25-08 03:51 PM   #102 
        - Exactly -- so, take the raise/advantage away, and it's okay  LostinVA   Nov-26-08 11:44 AM   #156 
  - Dude is a former employee of Dick Cheney (and you know how right he is  Lex   Nov-25-08 02:54 PM   #11 
  - Thats kind of a cop out  hnmnf   Nov-25-08 02:57 PM   #18 
  - in what respect, Charlie?  Lex   Nov-25-08 02:59 PM   #23 
     - Can you give me proof by his reporting that hes unfair to the left and favors the right?  hnmnf   Nov-25-08 03:00 PM   #27 
        - Can you prove to me that he's a neutral reporter?  Lex   Nov-25-08 03:02 PM   #33 
           - The Onus is on you my friend. A reporter is assumed to start out neutral  hnmnf   Nov-25-08 03:03 PM   #39 
              - You were the one urging us to believe him. Why should I?  Lex   Nov-25-08 03:08 PM   #48 
                 - Ok, so you have no proof.  hnmnf   Nov-25-08 03:10 PM   #51 
                    - 1. I trust Obama over Pete Williams. 2. His association with Cheney  Lex   Nov-25-08 03:13 PM   #54 
                       - Tim Russert was COS for Daniel Patrick Moynahan. That sure didnt kill his credibility  hnmnf   Nov-25-08 03:17 PM   #58 
                          - Well, we'll see what kind of credibility Williams has pretty soon, won't we?  Lex   Nov-25-08 03:22 PM   #70 
                             - So dont you think its a little unfair to pre-emptively declare he has no credibility?  hnmnf   Nov-25-08 03:24 PM   #71 
                                - He has no cred on this -- there is bipartisan precedence stretching back to 1909  LostinVA   Nov-25-08 03:27 PM   #77 
                                - He stated its unconstitutional, but often ignored.  hnmnf   Nov-25-08 03:29 PM   #85 
                                - He isn't NOW since he was OUTED  LostinVA   Nov-25-08 03:31 PM   #89 
                                - You obviously didn't see what he said today or you wouldn't have made such a statement  jenmito   Nov-25-08 05:38 PM   #133 
                                   - No, I watched it -- he said it was unconstitutional, when it patently isn't  LostinVA   Nov-26-08 11:45 AM   #158 
                                      - If you really DID watch it, you didn't understand it since HE named the other times  jenmito   Nov-26-08 07:28 PM   #167 
                                - No, because I have a perfect right to my opinion about him due  Lex   Nov-25-08 03:29 PM   #83 
                                   - Gasp! You dare to suggest that the news media is NOT always neutral???  yardwork   Nov-25-08 03:49 PM   #101 
  - Right being the operative word.  yardwork   Nov-25-08 02:58 PM   #19 
  - Since this is the 3rd time this theory has been posted, don't shoot the source  HughMoran   Nov-25-08 08:14 PM   #137 
  - Hey Pete, you forgot that Obama taught constitutional law  emulatorloo   Nov-25-08 02:55 PM   #14 
  - Except she can ...  S_E_Fudd   Nov-25-08 02:55 PM   #15 
  - Pete said that constitutional scholars say that doesnt fix things, but people just ignore it.  hnmnf   Nov-25-08 02:57 PM   #16 
     - Depends on the interpretation...  S_E_Fudd   Nov-25-08 02:57 PM   #17 
  - He cited "Article 1, Section 6" of the Constitution which says...  jenmito   Nov-25-08 02:58 PM   #20 
  - They are really stretching here, that's for sure  LostinVA   Nov-25-08 02:59 PM   #24 
  - They're just pointing out the Constitution. They went on to cite 4 examples of it  jenmito   Nov-25-08 03:01 PM   #31 
     - And how many of those didn't get appointed?  S_E_Fudd   Nov-25-08 03:03 PM   #37 
     - Bingo -- if it was Kerry, there wouldn't be one thread about it one here  LostinVA   Nov-25-08 03:04 PM   #40 
     - Actually there would be 5 of them  karynnj   Nov-25-08 03:19 PM   #62 
        - Yeah, I checked: Saxe wasn't the first -- the first instance was in 1909  LostinVA   Nov-25-08 03:28 PM   #80 
           - So, there is a wealth of precedent here  karynnj   Nov-25-08 03:39 PM   #97 
              - Yes -- as recently as Bill Clinton, when Poppy helped okay Bentsen  LostinVA   Nov-26-08 11:46 AM   #159 
     - None of them, which they SAID. A LOT of things that don't usually get publicity will  jenmito   Nov-25-08 03:12 PM   #53 
     - THis has been posted over and over and over again on here -- it is NOT a big deal  LostinVA   Nov-25-08 03:03 PM   #38 
     - Why are you telling ME it's not a big deal? Did I say it IS? I didn't start  jenmito   Nov-25-08 03:15 PM   #56 
        - You just seemed to be acting like it was a bid deal  LostinVA   Nov-25-08 03:28 PM   #81 
           - In what regard, Charlie?  jenmito   Nov-25-08 03:30 PM   #86 
              - Firstly, my name isn't "Charlie," secondly, you were very insistent  LostinVA   Nov-25-08 03:31 PM   # 
                 - Um, I was quoting Sarah Palin. It was a joke which is why in my message I said  jenmito   Nov-25-08 03:38 PM   #96 
     - Just because an article of the constitution applies to her situation, as it has to others,  pampango   Nov-25-08 03:27 PM   #78 
  - Not unique to Hillary...  S_E_Fudd   Nov-25-08 02:59 PM   #25 
  - They said it wasn't unique to Hillary. They cited 4 examples. n/t  jenmito   Nov-25-08 03:03 PM   #36 
  - And Poppy Bush did his  LostinVA   Nov-25-08 03:28 PM   #82 
  - Wouldn't that disqualify all of congress from serving in a presidential cabinet then?  ShadowLiberal   Nov-25-08 10:55 PM   #142 
  - More info  ProSense   Nov-25-08 02:58 PM   #21 
  - I bet it has something to do with her birth certificate!  bunnies   Nov-25-08 02:58 PM   #22 
  - Seriesly  LostinVA   Nov-25-08 02:59 PM   #26 
     - This is HUGH  prodn2000   Nov-25-08 03:01 PM   #30 
     - No kidding.  bunnies   Nov-25-08 03:02 PM   #35 
        - This is one time I ahte being right and saying,  LostinVA   Nov-25-08 03:06 PM   #44 
  - If this is accurrate...  Shiver   Nov-25-08 03:00 PM   #28 
  - Why go through all the hassle of trying to fit a senator into this job  Sebastian Doyle   Nov-25-08 03:05 PM   #42 
  - This again? It's BULLSHIT.  onehandle   Nov-25-08 03:06 PM   #43 
  - Obama taught Constitutional Law...  Juniperx   Nov-25-08 03:06 PM   #45 
  - No, no! The sky is falling!  onehandle   Nov-25-08 03:25 PM   #72 
     - Have DUers been without goodness so long they sabotage their own happiness?  Juniperx   Nov-25-08 03:32 PM   #92 
  - Pete Williams revealed his nuttiness  Jim4Wes   Nov-25-08 03:06 PM   #46 
  - Obama has yet to make a formal offer of SoS and there must be a reason why.  AtomicKitten   Nov-25-08 03:07 PM   #47 
  - You know this how?...nt  S_E_Fudd   Nov-25-08 03:09 PM   #49 
  - A highly-placed source on a blog  LostinVA   Nov-25-08 03:11 PM   #52 
  - LOL.  Lex   Nov-25-08 03:14 PM   #55 
  - Nothing more reliable than an anonymous poster...  S_E_Fudd   Nov-25-08 03:15 PM   #57 
     - Hey, I've known them a long time and they've NEVER been wrong!  LostinVA   Nov-25-08 03:29 PM   #84 
     - Dick Cheney's former spokesperson is even more reliable, though.  yardwork   Nov-25-08 03:47 PM   #100 
  - The Obama camp has reiterated that no formal offer has been made, that the vetting process is  AtomicKitten   Nov-25-08 03:17 PM   #59 
  - Guess I missed that announcement...  S_E_Fudd   Nov-25-08 03:18 PM   #60 
     - you missed the announcement of a formal offer because there was none, not yet  AtomicKitten   Nov-25-08 04:22 PM   #126 
  - This was the only thing I could find  ProSense   Nov-25-08 03:19 PM   #63 
     - And how does this prove no formal offer has been made?...  S_E_Fudd   Nov-25-08 03:20 PM   #64 
     - Can you prove that one has been made? How do you know what has happened?  ProSense   Nov-25-08 03:22 PM   #66 
        - No...but I didn't make the claim...  S_E_Fudd   Nov-25-08 03:22 PM   #69 
           - So you're questioning someone else's opinion when you don't know anything.  ProSense   Nov-25-08 03:25 PM   #73 
              - Hmmm...  S_E_Fudd   Nov-25-08 03:30 PM   #87 
     - thanks for the link  AtomicKitten   Nov-25-08 03:20 PM   #65 
        - Again...  S_E_Fudd   Nov-25-08 03:22 PM   #67 
           - It's political theater, a dance. No worries, you can think whatever you want.  AtomicKitten   Nov-25-08 03:26 PM   #76 
              - And you know this how?...nt  S_E_Fudd   Nov-25-08 03:34 PM   #95 
                 - Obama is holding the Secretary of Commerce nomination.  AtomicKitten   Nov-25-08 03:39 PM   #98 
                    - I don't know what it meams...  S_E_Fudd   Nov-25-08 03:46 PM   #99 
                    - "indicate your statements are opinion and speculation" What are you trying to prove?  ProSense   Nov-25-08 03:56 PM   #105 
                    - She didn't state an opinion...  S_E_Fudd   Nov-25-08 04:00 PM   #107 
                    - here's a link that was posted on Huffington Post  AtomicKitten   Nov-25-08 04:02 PM   #109 
                       - Here's one for that's not almost a week old...  S_E_Fudd   Nov-25-08 04:03 PM   #110 
                       - expects to if she passes the vetting process which is still in progress  AtomicKitten   Nov-25-08 04:05 PM   #112 
                          - In your opinion right?  S_E_Fudd   Nov-25-08 04:06 PM   #113 
                          - Again, please feel free to believe whatever you want.  AtomicKitten   Nov-25-08 04:10 PM   #115 
                             - Really...  S_E_Fudd   Nov-25-08 04:10 PM   #116 
                                - really, you can believe whatever you want, but be sure to clap loud enough for Tinkerbelle  AtomicKitten   Nov-25-08 04:14 PM   #120 
                          - Really? It is?  S_E_Fudd   Nov-25-08 04:09 PM   #114 
                             - sounds like the same blog chatter you & yours were dissing upthread  AtomicKitten   Nov-25-08 04:14 PM   #118 
                                - But I didn't claim them as fact...  S_E_Fudd   Nov-25-08 04:15 PM   #121 
                                   - "on track" in vetting does not equal a formal offer. Sorry. I know how much you want to believe.  AtomicKitten   Nov-25-08 04:19 PM   #124 
                                   - >>>>>> Hey, where's that link to Obama formally offering (nominating) Clinton for SoS?  AtomicKitten   Nov-25-08 08:07 PM   #136 
                                      - Are you purposely being obtuse?  S_E_Fudd   Nov-26-08 07:21 AM   #148 
                                         - So, where's the link? You adamantly disagreed that no formal offer had been made.  AtomicKitten   Nov-26-08 11:39 AM   #153 
                                            - C'mon...  S_E_Fudd   Nov-26-08 11:54 AM   #163 
                                            - So you've got nothing, right? Check.  AtomicKitten   Nov-26-08 11:56 AM   #164 
                                            - With reference to my previous post...  S_E_Fudd   Nov-26-08 12:01 PM   #165 
                       - Honestly.... HOW did the Obama camp not see this coming?  WildEyedLiberal   Nov-26-08 12:10 AM   #144 
                          - It turns out the Clinton camp fabricated the SoS offer. Link inside:  AtomicKitten   Nov-26-08 01:14 AM   #146 
                             - I suspected that from the beginning  WildEyedLiberal   Nov-26-08 01:41 AM   #147 
                                - Even more mind-numbing are those  AtomicKitten   Nov-26-08 11:52 AM   #161 
                    - It means, to me, that Obama is announcing, (or leaking,) his picks in waves.  prodn2000   Nov-25-08 03:55 PM   #104 
  - The offer has been made. The announcement will be after Thanksgiving.  onehandle   Nov-25-08 03:27 PM   #79 
     - Vetting comes BEFORE the formal offer, and she is still knee-deep in vetting.  AtomicKitten   Nov-25-08 03:34 PM   #94 
  - Frankly, I don't give a damn anymore.  Beacool   Nov-25-08 03:25 PM   #74 
  - If HRC accepts the position, the "Saxe Fix" will kick in -- it's a Dem Congress  LostinVA   Nov-25-08 03:25 PM   #75 
  - This probably explains why. Axelrod said the Commerce Secretary wouldn't be named this week  BrentTaylor   Nov-25-08 03:31 PM   #88 
  - We just need to wait 24 "business hours."  prodn2000   Nov-25-08 03:33 PM   #93 
  - msnbc lady says they can just go back to the old pay rate  Truth Hurts A Lot   Nov-25-08 03:58 PM   #106 
  - From what I read it does mean that Clinton is inelegible, however...  last1standing   Nov-25-08 04:00 PM   #108 
  - You arent appointed President, you are elected.  hnmnf   Nov-25-08 04:03 PM   #111 
     - unless you're *  northernlights   Nov-25-08 04:14 PM   #119 
     - 'Appointed' is a somewhat elastic term in that respect.  last1standing   Nov-25-08 04:16 PM   #122 
  - It's true - but Obama can get around it the way others have if he wants to.  polichick   Nov-25-08 04:12 PM   #117 
  - I saw that too.  ErinBerin84   Nov-25-08 04:16 PM   #123 
  - It's called the Saxbe Fix  oktoberain   Nov-25-08 04:20 PM   #125 
  - I didn't know about either things, myself.  GreenPartyVoter   Nov-25-08 04:23 PM   #127 
  - "Obama would be going against the constitution." It's funny, I said in a thread days ago that  MetricSystem   Nov-25-08 04:40 PM   #128 
  - I'm not into shooting the messenger but it figures you would  cat_girl25   Nov-25-08 04:51 PM   #129 
  - If thats the Constitution Obama and Hillary should respect it. We can't bash Bush and his cronies  BrentTaylor   Nov-25-08 04:51 PM   #130 
  - Well said. We don't want to be guilty of the dreaded "hypocrisy",  pampango   Nov-26-08 07:39 AM   #149 
  - Why am I not surprised this  laugle   Nov-25-08 04:53 PM   #131 
  - Article 2, Section 73, Clause 14 says you and Pete Williams should go fly a kite  mtnsnake   Nov-25-08 04:59 PM   #132 
  - If Pete lived in CA, he couldn't get married.  Rockholm   Nov-25-08 05:44 PM   #134 
  - Actually, the SoS is not appointed, merely nominated  KamaAina   Nov-25-08 06:30 PM   #135 
  - Pete Williams is a Cheney asset.  TexasObserver   Nov-25-08 08:53 PM   #138 
  - I thought Pete was the pentagon correspondent? Former Chney staff?  bluedawg12   Nov-25-08 09:35 PM   #139 
  - News Flash!  Jamastiene   Nov-25-08 10:17 PM   #140 
  - Pete Williams vs Barack Obama  grantcart   Nov-25-08 10:29 PM   #141 
  - I'd be disappointed if Obama used a shenanigan to go around the constitution.  dkf   Nov-26-08 12:26 AM   #145 
  - lol,saw it coming from a mile away.  sufrommich   Nov-26-08 07:50 AM   #150 
  - ROFLMAO!!!!!!!  OPERATIONMINDCRIME   Nov-26-08 09:56 AM   #151 
  - The "Saxe Fix" is a shenanigan now?  LostinVA   Nov-26-08 10:04 AM   #152 
  - Yes, he must preserve the constitution at all costs.  JVS   Nov-26-08 11:44 AM   #157 
  - Can't she just resign her senate seat and the accept the SOS job?  chimpsrsmarter   Nov-26-08 11:40 AM   #154 
  - No -- it's written so that can't happen  LostinVA   Nov-26-08 11:43 AM   #155 
  - Wow, Look At All The Recs For This Thread!  Dinger   Nov-26-08 11:48 AM   #160 
  - What, no recs?  pecwae   Nov-26-08 12:06 PM   #166 

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