DLnyc
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Sun Nov-23-08 09:33 PM
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People making over 2 million a year, say, do not generally spend all, or even a significant portion, of that money. They simply increase their net worth. Taxing them more moves the money from their investments into direct investments in the infrastructure and future of our country.
On the other hand, taxing the middle class, working class and poor will decrease consumer spending, because these people (us) generally are making spending decisions based on their weekly income. So, for us, less income equal less spending on consumer goods and services like food, travel, clothing, medicine, education, housing, etc.
A tax increase on the 95% of us making less than 250,000 per year = a bad idea in a recession or a depression.
A tax increase on people making from 250,000 to a couple million = arguably not much impact on the consumer spending.
A tax increase on people making more that $2,000,000 per year = a very good idea, especially during a recession turning into a depression, since we need that money in public works projects.
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SnoopDog |
Nov-23-08 08:40 PM |
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I dunno, but I'm satisfied it has to be a substantial reason if he's considering a DELAY... |
BlooInBloo |
Nov-23-08 08:42 PM |
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Two year delay = ZERO |
votesomemore |
Nov-23-08 08:57 PM |
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hahahaha! Shush, child. Run along and go play with your red bouncy ball. |
BlooInBloo |
Nov-23-08 09:00 PM |
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What a pathetic response. |
votesomemore |
Nov-23-08 09:11 PM |
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(shrug) I'm horribly hungover. But believe you me: I clean up real good! |
BlooInBloo |
Nov-23-08 09:16 PM |
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Busted! |
kwenu |
Nov-23-08 09:03 PM |
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No idea of what you are trying to convey. Nothing. |
votesomemore |
Nov-23-08 09:11 PM |
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I think he was agreeing with you. So, you're right in your assessment. |
BlooInBloo |
Nov-23-08 09:15 PM |
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You're a crap starter. That's what I'm conveying. I've yet to see you actually provide info. |
kwenu |
Nov-23-08 09:27 PM |
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No wonder I couldn't understand you. |
votesomemore |
Nov-24-08 02:14 AM |
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Yes, I am sure you have picked up on something he and his team of experts just 'glossed over'. |
GarbagemanLB |
Nov-23-08 08:43 PM |
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Also, he didn't renege on anything. The issue was the DELAYING of a tax increase. |
GarbagemanLB |
Nov-23-08 08:44 PM |
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I think what was initially floated was to let the tax cuts on the rich expire in 2010 |
BumRushDaShow |
Nov-23-08 08:45 PM |
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That one kind of bugs me at first glance |
loyalsister |
Nov-23-08 08:46 PM |
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We will have to wait to see what his reasoning is...but |
SnoopDog |
Nov-23-08 08:50 PM |
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Sorry too late. The election is over. |
Life Long Dem |
Nov-23-08 08:58 PM |
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Give the guy time,he isn't even president yet. He's just |
Fed_Up_Grammy |
Nov-23-08 08:47 PM |
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Because the immediate problem is stimulus to the economy, not the deficiet |
still_one |
Nov-23-08 08:48 PM |
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Valid point but America still needs tax revenues... |
SnoopDog |
Nov-23-08 08:58 PM |
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You don't need tax revenues immediately to stimulate the economy, at least that is my view |
still_one |
Nov-23-08 11:52 PM |
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I think it has to do with the recession........ |
FrenchieCat |
Nov-23-08 08:49 PM |
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Stimulus = putting money into the economy. |
abumbyanyothername |
Nov-23-08 08:55 PM |
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The Rich got tax cuts and now they are getting hand outs. |
votesomemore |
Nov-23-08 09:10 PM |
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I disagree. |
DLnyc |
Nov-23-08 09:33 PM |
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I am shocked! |
Two Americas |
Nov-23-08 09:38 PM |
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marginal propensity to consume decreases with income |
DBoon |
Nov-23-08 10:20 PM |
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A tax hike on money being horded = putting money into the economy. Tax the ultra-wealthy and force |
w4rma |
Nov-23-08 09:38 PM |
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that assumes that the rich will actually spend the |
bbgrunt |
Nov-23-08 09:41 PM |
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I just heard yesterday, that there is a 32% increase in |
laugle |
Nov-23-08 09:51 PM |
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a tax hike doesnt take money out of the economy |
mkultra |
Nov-23-08 09:45 PM |
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Who manufactures most of the goods in the world? |
Skwmom |
Nov-23-08 11:13 PM |
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He actually thinks letting it expire on schedule is better with the current economic problems |
dmordue |
Nov-23-08 08:55 PM |
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This is major |
votesomemore |
Nov-23-08 08:56 PM |
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You can't fault him for adapting to changing (worsening) circumstances. He, unlike Bush or |
jenmito |
Nov-23-08 09:08 PM |
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some people would say that tax break |
iamthebandfanman |
Nov-23-08 11:23 PM |
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And some OTHER people would say that not making Bush's tax cuts for the rich permanent |
jenmito |
Nov-24-08 10:29 AM |
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hes doing exatcly what he said he would |
mkultra |
Nov-23-08 09:47 PM |
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Deleted message |
Name removed |
Nov-23-08 10:19 PM |
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That should have been the sarcasm |
votesomemore |
Nov-23-08 10:45 PM |
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Maybe I heard wrong |
mr1956 |
Nov-23-08 08:57 PM |
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You didn't hear wrong, that's what he said |
ellacott |
Nov-23-08 09:16 PM |
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I thought he meant returning taxes where they were before Bush's tax cuts |
BunkerHill24 |
Nov-23-08 09:50 PM |
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No one with a lick of sense raises taxes when you're teetering on complete financial meltdown. |
kwenu |
Nov-23-08 08:58 PM |
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That is true if you are the middle class...however |
SnoopDog |
Nov-23-08 09:02 PM |
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You can't ignore the confusion that would cause. The Bush Tax cuts can still expire normally. |
kwenu |
Nov-23-08 09:13 PM |
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Where I got the idea that Obama would reverse the Bush tax cuts were |
SnoopDog |
Nov-23-08 09:18 PM |
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All I can tell you is that during the campaign it was CLEAR that he intended to let them expire. |
kwenu |
Nov-23-08 09:22 PM |
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He DID say he wanted to let them expire |
ellacott |
Nov-23-08 09:45 PM |
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You are absolutely WRONG |
votesomemore |
Nov-23-08 11:05 PM |
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That says nothing about a time table about when it will happen |
high density |
Nov-24-08 07:21 AM |
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You are absolutely wrong |
ellacott |
Nov-24-08 07:43 AM |
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The bush tax cuts are one of the big reasons we are in this mess!! |
Breeze54 |
Nov-23-08 09:10 PM |
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Didn't FDR raise taxes during the depression? |
Hippo_Tron |
Nov-23-08 10:25 PM |
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Because he might not have an ironclad 60 seat filibuster-proof majority in the Senate |
jpak |
Nov-23-08 09:00 PM |
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Thanks - jpak |
SnoopDog |
Nov-23-08 09:05 PM |
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oh please |
Skittles |
Nov-23-08 09:07 PM |
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No shit |
jpak |
Nov-23-08 09:17 PM |
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that is NOT reality |
Skittles |
Nov-23-08 09:20 PM |
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Obama knows the Senate and how it works |
jpak |
Nov-23-08 09:24 PM |
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LET THEM FUCKING FILIBUSTER |
Skittles |
Nov-24-08 01:09 AM |
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Actually the tax hikes can be passed via reconciliation, only requires 51 votes |
Hippo_Tron |
Nov-23-08 10:26 PM |
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This argument will never sway me . ever again |
votesomemore |
Nov-23-08 11:08 PM |
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He hasn't reneged on any promise |
ellacott |
Nov-23-08 09:07 PM |
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CORRECT! |
kwenu |
Nov-23-08 09:17 PM |
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That's what I remember him sayihg. I don't know why so many are making a big deal out of this. nt |
Incitatus |
Nov-23-08 09:19 PM |
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I don't know why people are making a big deal of this either |
ellacott |
Nov-23-08 09:22 PM |
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That's what I heard |
Applepie |
Nov-23-08 09:38 PM |
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WRONG! |
votesomemore |
Nov-23-08 11:11 PM |
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CORRECT |
Skittles |
Nov-24-08 01:08 AM |
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I responded to this in a previous post |
ellacott |
Nov-24-08 07:44 AM |
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Guys, the economy is tanking even more then anyone realizes |
Jennicut |
Nov-23-08 09:08 PM |
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The top 1% can AFFORD to pay their fair share for a change!! |
Breeze54 |
Nov-23-08 09:12 PM |
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Well, we need to see how the ecomomy does first. |
Jennicut |
Nov-23-08 09:21 PM |
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GAWD .. A housefull of ENABLERS. |
votesomemore |
Nov-23-08 11:13 PM |
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Why don't you make it your diaper. |
kristopher |
Nov-23-08 09:33 PM |
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Is that you, Phil Gramm!?! |
Breeze54 |
Nov-23-08 11:45 PM |
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... |
kristopher |
Nov-24-08 06:46 AM |
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No, they can't |
Marsala |
Nov-23-08 09:52 PM |
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"soak" the rich? BooHoo! They haven't been paying for 7 years!! |
Breeze54 |
Nov-23-08 11:38 PM |
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Correct me if I'm mistaken |
votesomemore |
Nov-24-08 01:48 AM |
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Where is all that money that used to be circulating around the economy going? |
w4rma |
Nov-23-08 09:43 PM |
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Well raise the taxes on the wealthy and increase the proposed tax cuts to the middle class. |
Skwmom |
Nov-23-08 11:16 PM |
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I could be wrong, but I haven't heard Obama say he wasn't |
JimWis |
Nov-23-08 09:17 PM |
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Obama said..... |
gblady |
Nov-23-08 09:55 PM |
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In case you didn't notice we are trying to avoid a depression, spending like mad |
CreekDog |
Nov-23-08 10:28 PM |
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They expire in 2010 so it's really just one year's difference |
Hippo_Tron |
Nov-23-08 10:31 PM |
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Post a few recent Obama quotes that support your OP. |
Blue-Jay |
Nov-23-08 10:33 PM |
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wow thanks blue jay |
SnoopDog |
Nov-23-08 10:46 PM |
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Still waiting on those quotes from Obama... |
Blue-Jay |
Nov-23-08 11:25 PM |
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AP article |
SnoopDog |
Nov-23-08 11:46 PM |
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I see quotes from unnamed "Obama aides". |
Blue-Jay |
Nov-23-08 11:49 PM |
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It's politics, what if Obama raises taxes then fails to fix the economic mess, big ammo for the GOP |
ShadowLiberal |
Nov-23-08 10:41 PM |
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his economics advisors are telling him that its a bad idea to raise any taxes in a deep recession... |
BREMPRO |
Nov-23-08 11:12 PM |
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There is no logical or sane reason for doing this.. |
kokono |
Nov-23-08 11:15 PM |
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I don't know..but if ABC said it... |
stillcool47 |
Nov-23-08 11:29 PM |
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THANKS... but no thanks.... |
Zombie2 |
Nov-24-08 12:02 AM |
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Sorry , I'm too busy to make waves. |
kokono |
Nov-24-08 12:06 AM |
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ass, grass, or cash... |
Zombie2 |
Nov-24-08 12:09 AM |
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ass, grass, or cash... |
Zombie2 |
Nov-24-08 12:09 AM |
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I can only give you ass, |
kokono |
Nov-24-08 12:15 AM |
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Pass |
Zombie2 |
Nov-24-08 12:18 AM |
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Why do you care? |
Youphemism |
Nov-24-08 12:36 AM |
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Do you not realize that these tax cuts helped make the current problem? |
WinkyDink |
Nov-24-08 07:48 AM |
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Because Hillary Clinton is back, baybee |
prodn2000 |
Nov-24-08 02:06 AM |
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He's doing it because (1) he wants to quickly pass a middle class tax cut, (2) we're in a recession |
TexasObserver |
Nov-24-08 02:19 AM |
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the key problem is the lower rates for gains and dividends |
unblock |
Nov-24-08 05:28 AM |
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Amazing |
FlaGranny |
Nov-24-08 06:13 AM |
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I don't buy it. They're trying to calm the markets and people for the holidays |
BrentTaylor |
Nov-24-08 06:41 AM |
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Really? |
dbmk |
Nov-24-08 06:47 AM |
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Funny. I don't recall seeing the POTUS-elect on the television |
Vinca |
Nov-24-08 06:57 AM |
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