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| 77. Look, I've never said we have to be in lockstep. |
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However, I do get sick of people who have a raging fit over everything Obama does. They have a right to express their opinion, and I have a right to tell them I think they're wrong. I'm not suggesting they shouldn't say it, but they shouldn't expect to be able to say whatever the fuck they want and not have anybody object to it. That's just absurd.
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| -Should we, as Democrats, be in lockstep? Yes or No? |
political_Dem |
Nov-23-08 01:19 AM |
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No, we shouldnt, but its suspect when some people bitch about literally everything. |
hnmnf |
Nov-23-08 01:20 AM |
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How so? |
political_Dem |
Nov-23-08 01:21 AM |
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Certain people on DU have complained about every pick Obama has made |
hnmnf |
Nov-23-08 01:24 AM |
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Do you expect them to just be quiet about their dissent? |
political_Dem |
Nov-23-08 01:27 AM |
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No, but these people have judged Obama's presidency before he spent a day in office |
hnmnf |
Nov-23-08 01:28 AM |
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I agree with you about some of the folks who are the hand-wringers. |
political_Dem |
Nov-23-08 01:31 AM |
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it's a fine line. Some people do sow doubt and fear when it's not helpful. |
Voice for Peace |
Nov-23-08 08:33 AM |
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the only choices aren't Kucinich or the DLC sellouts--and what the hell is wrong with Kucinich? |
yurbud |
Nov-23-08 01:29 AM |
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There you go. Who said Obama appointment of Hillary was made? |
Life Long Dem |
Nov-23-08 01:48 AM |
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I don't think anyone has |
Two Americas |
Nov-23-08 03:10 AM |
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I haven't complained at all about Obama's picks, but I'm going to complain about YOUR |
1monster |
Nov-23-08 09:16 AM |
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Indeed. Dennis deserves no one's contempt. |
Ken Burch |
Dec-03-08 04:58 PM |
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so. let them bitch. shutting up discussion is bullshit. nothing anyone |
roguevalley |
Nov-23-08 12:31 PM |
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Nope, but we must be able to discern "Concern!" from concern |
prodn2000 |
Nov-23-08 01:22 AM |
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How would you do that? |
political_Dem |
Nov-23-08 01:24 AM |
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Prima facie is a useful tool |
prodn2000 |
Nov-23-08 01:30 AM |
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Using the old adage of "hindsight being 20/20 " could be even better. |
political_Dem |
Nov-23-08 01:35 AM |
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I am really happy with my political party |
prodn2000 |
Nov-23-08 01:37 AM |
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So am I. I am even estatic that the man I voted for is business-like, efficient and very organized. |
political_Dem |
Nov-23-08 01:42 AM |
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In complete agreement. Lockstep=worship |
prodn2000 |
Nov-23-08 01:43 AM |
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No, I figured it all out today: |
napoleon_in_rags |
Nov-23-08 01:24 AM |
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Where does dissent fit into that realm of thought? |
political_Dem |
Nov-23-08 01:28 AM |
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It fits in as an important part of the process. |
napoleon_in_rags |
Nov-23-08 11:50 PM |
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No. Never. |
emilyg |
Nov-23-08 01:28 AM |
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Absolutely |
CreekDog |
Nov-23-08 01:37 AM |
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Don't you mean Gloria Estephan? Estephen? Eserphone? |
prodn2000 |
Nov-23-08 01:38 AM |
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LOL. |
political_Dem |
Nov-23-08 01:38 AM |
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Doesn't matter if we should. We're not. |
Jim Sagle |
Nov-23-08 01:41 AM |
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Then why are there instances of trying to get people to be silent about their dissent? |
political_Dem |
Nov-23-08 01:44 AM |
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But we aren't really a party of leftist. There is a broad spectrum |
sufrommich |
Nov-23-08 07:04 AM |
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No one is trying to get others to be quite. They are just disagreeing. |
tekisui |
Nov-23-08 08:23 AM |
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"why is there a push toward centrist and center-right paradigms? " |
Jim Sagle |
Nov-24-08 02:36 AM |
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No, but some level of cohesion and a unified front would be cool |
TheKentuckian |
Nov-23-08 01:51 AM |
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There are going to be some people who are rather nervous about all these changes. |
political_Dem |
Nov-23-08 02:01 AM |
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push.fucking.poll |
FrenchieCat |
Nov-23-08 01:59 AM |
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This is more of a rhetorical question. |
political_Dem |
Nov-23-08 02:03 AM |
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And you got your answer. |
last1standing |
Nov-23-08 02:04 AM |
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It is pretty sad. |
political_Dem |
Nov-23-08 02:05 AM |
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My glimmer of hope seems to dwindle every time I visit this site lately. |
last1standing |
Nov-23-08 02:15 AM |
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My take on this. |
political_Dem |
Nov-23-08 02:48 AM |
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Very well put. |
last1standing |
Nov-23-08 03:20 AM |
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Thanks and no problem. |
political_Dem |
Nov-23-08 03:34 AM |
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I think we all should be in lock-step when it comes to MSM. |
Life Long Dem |
Nov-23-08 03:42 AM |
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I agree. Because the messages concerning progressive/liberal values have to be re-introduced. |
political_Dem |
Nov-23-08 03:51 AM |
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It's all a rating's game to MSM. |
Life Long Dem |
Nov-23-08 05:11 AM |
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I stopped posting after the 2004 election |
illuminaughty |
Nov-23-08 03:12 AM |
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Agreed. |
last1standing |
Nov-23-08 03:22 AM |
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I would certainly hope so. |
political_Dem |
Nov-23-08 03:36 AM |
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Why do you object to people expressing their views, FrenchieCat? |
last1standing |
Nov-23-08 02:04 AM |
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Dissatisfied.....? |
FrenchieCat |
Nov-23-08 02:22 AM |
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Are you the judge of superficial, impatient, petty, and shortsightedness? |
last1standing |
Nov-23-08 02:26 AM |
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I'm as much of a judge as you are....... |
FrenchieCat |
Nov-23-08 02:29 AM |
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I asked a question, you passed judgment. |
last1standing |
Nov-23-08 02:33 AM |
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Don't think so. |
FrenchieCat |
Nov-23-08 02:46 AM |
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Oh Frenchie, nothing you say could be so low as to surprise me. |
last1standing |
Nov-23-08 03:03 AM |
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Just because you call something a fact doesn't mean it is a fact (or remotely resembles one) |
zlt234 |
Nov-23-08 03:25 AM |
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Thanks for your opinion. |
last1standing |
Nov-23-08 03:34 AM |
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Let me break it down so that even you can understand...... |
FrenchieCat |
Nov-23-08 03:29 AM |
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So much for suggesting mutual respect. |
last1standing |
Nov-23-08 03:32 AM |
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Excellent! |
FrenchieCat |
Nov-23-08 03:35 AM |
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And stop screaming at the cat! I'm pretty sure it doesn't even CARE who Obama appoints. |
Ken Burch |
Dec-03-08 09:50 PM |
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At least I have "IF" Obama does this or that in my rants. |
Life Long Dem |
Nov-23-08 02:58 AM |
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What about those who didn't vote for Obama? |
Milo_Bloom |
Dec-04-08 11:06 AM |
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No to lockstepping, |
Undercurrent |
Nov-23-08 02:18 AM |
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Oh, hell to the NO! |
meowomon |
Nov-23-08 02:20 AM |
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Straw man. No one is demanding any such thing. |
cali |
Nov-23-08 02:34 AM |
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What would you call it then? |
political_Dem |
Nov-23-08 02:37 AM |
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Yes to the first question and no to the second. |
cali |
Nov-23-08 02:57 AM |
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On the question of irony, it would be ironic for someone to quiet another person |
political_Dem |
Nov-23-08 03:05 AM |
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ROFL |
Two Americas |
Nov-23-08 03:14 AM |
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yeah, because that's what I said. NOT. |
cali |
Nov-23-08 03:31 AM |
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Correct. n/t |
H2O Man |
Nov-23-08 07:09 AM |
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Agree. nm |
rhett o rick |
Nov-23-08 09:10 AM |
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Never have, |
elleng |
Nov-23-08 03:38 AM |
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Yes, we are BORG. |
TexasObserver |
Nov-23-08 04:19 AM |
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When does dissent stop from being described as a "conniption fit"? |
political_Dem |
Nov-23-08 04:34 AM |
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When it is rational and sane. |
TexasObserver |
Nov-23-08 05:08 AM |
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I do? How do you figure that? |
political_Dem |
Nov-23-08 06:08 AM |
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Easy. Did you forget to carry the two? |
TexasObserver |
Nov-23-08 06:33 AM |
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I voted for Dems to run the government, not to run my brain. |
agentS |
Nov-23-08 04:53 AM |
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Hell no |
chemp |
Nov-23-08 05:41 AM |
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Nah - we're more like a team of rivals. :) |
polichick |
Nov-23-08 06:23 AM |
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"best of" responses in this rhetorical, loaded and insulting OP - no text |
happychatter |
Nov-24-08 01:31 AM |
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I'm sorry that you were so offended. |
political_Dem |
Nov-24-08 06:55 AM |
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Not lockstep but at least united and working together for the main goal. |
DCBob |
Nov-23-08 06:29 AM |
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of course not. |
atimetocome |
Nov-23-08 06:48 AM |
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Of course we shouldn't walk in lockstep, but we should be smart enough |
Vinca |
Nov-23-08 07:07 AM |
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Until he actually does some governing, I'd wonder how people are |
Arkana |
Nov-23-08 07:49 AM |
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Look, I've never said we have to be in lockstep. |
Elrond Hubbard |
Nov-23-08 08:05 AM |
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Your view of the Republican party is simplistic and not current, and my answer is No |
slackmaster |
Nov-23-08 08:42 AM |
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The work of John Dean and Bob Altemeyer is not current enough? |
political_Dem |
Nov-23-08 10:21 AM |
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We should be, as Democrats.. |
stillcool47 |
Nov-23-08 08:46 AM |
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No one ever said that |
treestar |
Nov-23-08 08:48 AM |
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No, but comparing Clinton to Stalin and Pol Pot and identifying as "Independent" due to the SoS pick |
PeaceNikki |
Nov-23-08 08:51 AM |
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Not just NO but HELL NO!!! |
Froward69 |
Nov-23-08 08:59 AM |
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Cute. |
jefferson_dem |
Nov-23-08 09:00 AM |
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Did you actually expect anyone to honestly answer Yes? First we had to get Bush out. |
rhett o rick |
Nov-23-08 09:08 AM |
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Oh, yes. Most definitely. |
gristy |
Nov-23-08 09:11 AM |
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No! We shouldn't be like the Republicans. We should be Democrats that respects all points of view |
Liberal_Stalwart71 |
Nov-23-08 09:17 AM |
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Thank you, Liberal_Stalwart71. You mentioned one of the points that needed to be said. |
political_Dem |
Nov-23-08 10:19 AM |
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I too despise the DLC and for some reason people forget what happened in the 90's |
Raineyb |
Nov-23-08 10:56 AM |
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Exactly, Raineyb. You've said it better than I could. :) |
political_Dem |
Nov-23-08 06:21 PM |
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For some of them, it's still about 1972. |
Ken Burch |
Dec-03-08 05:03 PM |
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It would be nice at least until we actually see Obama making bad policies |
high density |
Nov-23-08 09:49 AM |
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Ideally yes, but the cost of achieving it would be too great. |
Donald Ian Rankin |
Nov-23-08 10:13 AM |
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Both. Yes and no. |
Gregorian |
Nov-23-08 10:25 AM |
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No |
Uzybone |
Nov-23-08 12:32 PM |
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Aren't we on many issues? Choice, Environmentalism, etc. |
LanternWaste |
Nov-23-08 12:44 PM |
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No, but we should give our nominee at least one day in office |
mzmolly |
Nov-23-08 01:45 PM |
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Yeah, in the congress we can contest congress but Obama is not really in any office at > |
cooolandrew |
Nov-23-08 03:32 PM |
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pD, how the hell could we ever agree on anything? |
old mark |
Nov-23-08 06:32 PM |
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old mark, I agree. It is part of the whole deal. |
political_Dem |
Nov-23-08 07:07 PM |
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How boring would all this shit be if we aggreed on everything? |
old mark |
Nov-24-08 06:06 AM |
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Even the answers in this thread proves that our party is not boring in the least. |
political_Dem |
Nov-24-08 06:58 AM |
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In the immortal words of the racistly-named Tonto... |
BlooInBloo |
Nov-23-08 07:11 PM |
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No |
bigwillq |
Nov-23-08 06:34 PM |
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Totally. In fact, we should change our names to "nazi", just so DU whiny ass titty babies... |
BlooInBloo |
Nov-23-08 07:09 PM |
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No dissent or ignoring it is what caused our present situtatio.... |
fadedrose |
Nov-23-08 07:18 PM |
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no, yes, No, Yes, NOOOO! |
TexasObserver |
Nov-23-08 07:21 PM |
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Only between the time we choose a nominee... |
Iggo |
Nov-24-08 01:12 AM |
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Less than a month after electoral victory? TWO months before actual Inauguration? |
smalll |
Nov-24-08 01:25 AM |
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Nope |
Breeze54 |
Nov-24-08 01:51 AM |
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I can't get behind Pres Obama on his choice of Larry Summers |
ElsewheresDaughter |
Nov-24-08 07:30 AM |
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Depends |
quakerboy |
Dec-03-08 05:20 PM |
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No, and all of you had best agree. |
Forkboy |
Dec-03-08 06:33 PM |
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This is the internet-forum version of "when did you stop beating your wife", no? |
camera__obscura |
Dec-03-08 06:33 PM |
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Dems NEVER march in lockstep........... |
trayfoot |
Dec-03-08 06:44 PM |
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Should we, as Democrats, constantly be posting straw man arguments? Yes or No? |
zlt234 |
Dec-03-08 06:45 PM |
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I think the question is posed to say "You know we need to put aside |
harun |
Dec-04-08 11:15 AM |
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never, but we do need to prune some trolls on this board. |
mkultra |
Dec-03-08 10:38 PM |
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I'm not a troll. |
political_Dem |
Dec-04-08 03:36 AM |
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the idea that people shouldnt express thier distaste for your dissent |
mkultra |
Dec-04-08 11:02 AM |
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Thank you. |
political_Dem |
Dec-04-08 11:16 AM |
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your welcome. so cut it the fuck out. |
mkultra |
Dec-04-08 11:50 AM |
#137 |
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No. I'll do as I please on this board according to the rules. I don't need your fingerwagging. |
political_Dem |
Dec-04-08 11:59 AM |
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good point, i guess everyone else will to. No silencing for anyone |
mkultra |
Dec-04-08 12:03 PM |
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Should we, as Democrats, complain about absolutely everything on principle? |
Occam Bandage |
Dec-03-08 10:43 PM |
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factionalism is the essence of democracy |
amborin |
Dec-04-08 02:19 AM |
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Of course not. |
Milo_Bloom |
Dec-04-08 11:04 AM |
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For the next four years, yes. |
olkaz |
Dec-04-08 12:00 PM |
#139 |
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No, but dissent isn't the same thing as sky-is-falling panic |
EstimatedProphet |
Dec-04-08 12:06 PM |
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no, we shouldn't. But, it is what it is, around here. |
Laura PackYourBags |
Dec-04-08 12:06 PM |
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The fact that you give us a choice reveals your bias n/t |
Tom Rinaldo |
Dec-04-08 01:48 PM |
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Maybe (because I refuse to let you lock me into your "yes or no" ideology). n/t |
ieoeja |
Dec-04-08 01:56 PM |
#144 |
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