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29. And you got your answer.
Sad, isn't it?
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  -Should we, as Democrats, be in lockstep? Yes or No? political_Dem  Nov-23-08 01:19 AM   #0 
  - No, we shouldnt, but its suspect when some people bitch about literally everything.  hnmnf   Nov-23-08 01:20 AM   #1 
  - How so?  political_Dem   Nov-23-08 01:21 AM   #2 
     - Certain people on DU have complained about every pick Obama has made  hnmnf   Nov-23-08 01:24 AM   #5 
        - Do you expect them to just be quiet about their dissent?  political_Dem   Nov-23-08 01:27 AM   #7 
        - No, but these people have judged Obama's presidency before he spent a day in office  hnmnf   Nov-23-08 01:28 AM   #10 
           - I agree with you about some of the folks who are the hand-wringers.  political_Dem   Nov-23-08 01:31 AM   #13 
              - it's a fine line. Some people do sow doubt and fear when it's not helpful.  Voice for Peace   Nov-23-08 08:33 AM   #79 
        - the only choices aren't Kucinich or the DLC sellouts--and what the hell is wrong with Kucinich?  yurbud   Nov-23-08 01:29 AM   #11 
        - There you go. Who said Obama appointment of Hillary was made?  Life Long Dem   Nov-23-08 01:48 AM   #23 
        - I don't think anyone has  Two Americas   Nov-23-08 03:10 AM   #46 
        - I haven't complained at all about Obama's picks, but I'm going to complain about YOUR  1monster   Nov-23-08 09:16 AM   #89 
        - Indeed. Dennis deserves no one's contempt.  Ken Burch   Dec-03-08 04:58 PM   #120 
        - so. let them bitch. shutting up discussion is bullshit. nothing anyone  roguevalley   Nov-23-08 12:31 PM   #97 
  - Nope, but we must be able to discern "Concern!" from concern  prodn2000   Nov-23-08 01:22 AM   #3 
  - How would you do that?  political_Dem   Nov-23-08 01:24 AM   #4 
     - Prima facie is a useful tool  prodn2000   Nov-23-08 01:30 AM   #12 
        - Using the old adage of "hindsight being 20/20 " could be even better.  political_Dem   Nov-23-08 01:35 AM   #14 
           - I am really happy with my political party  prodn2000   Nov-23-08 01:37 AM   #16 
              - So am I. I am even estatic that the man I voted for is business-like, efficient and very organized.  political_Dem   Nov-23-08 01:42 AM   #20 
                 - In complete agreement. Lockstep=worship  prodn2000   Nov-23-08 01:43 AM   #21 
  - No, I figured it all out today:  napoleon_in_rags   Nov-23-08 01:24 AM   #6 
  - Where does dissent fit into that realm of thought?  political_Dem   Nov-23-08 01:28 AM   #9 
     - It fits in as an important part of the process.  napoleon_in_rags   Nov-23-08 11:50 PM   #110 
  - No. Never.  emilyg   Nov-23-08 01:28 AM   #8 
  - Absolutely  CreekDog   Nov-23-08 01:37 AM   #15 
  - Don't you mean Gloria Estephan? Estephen? Eserphone?  prodn2000   Nov-23-08 01:38 AM   #17 
  - LOL.  political_Dem   Nov-23-08 01:38 AM   #18 
  - Doesn't matter if we should. We're not.  Jim Sagle   Nov-23-08 01:41 AM   #19 
  - Then why are there instances of trying to get people to be silent about their dissent?  political_Dem   Nov-23-08 01:44 AM   #22 
     - But we aren't really a party of leftist. There is a broad spectrum  sufrommich   Nov-23-08 07:04 AM   #73 
     - No one is trying to get others to be quite. They are just disagreeing.  tekisui   Nov-23-08 08:23 AM   #78 
     - "why is there a push toward centrist and center-right paradigms? "  Jim Sagle   Nov-24-08 02:36 AM   #115 
  - No, but some level of cohesion and a unified front would be cool  TheKentuckian   Nov-23-08 01:51 AM   #24 
  - There are going to be some people who are rather nervous about all these changes.  political_Dem   Nov-23-08 02:01 AM   #26 
  - push.fucking.poll  FrenchieCat   Nov-23-08 01:59 AM   #25 
  - This is more of a rhetorical question.  political_Dem   Nov-23-08 02:03 AM   #27 
  - And you got your answer.  last1standing   Nov-23-08 02:04 AM   #29 
     - It is pretty sad.  political_Dem   Nov-23-08 02:05 AM   #30 
        - My glimmer of hope seems to dwindle every time I visit this site lately.  last1standing   Nov-23-08 02:15 AM   #31 
           - My take on this.  political_Dem   Nov-23-08 02:48 AM   #41 
           - Very well put.  last1standing   Nov-23-08 03:20 AM   #49 
           - Thanks and no problem.  political_Dem   Nov-23-08 03:34 AM   #55 
           - I think we all should be in lock-step when it comes to MSM.  Life Long Dem   Nov-23-08 03:42 AM   #60 
              - I agree. Because the messages concerning progressive/liberal values have to be re-introduced.  political_Dem   Nov-23-08 03:51 AM   #61 
                 - It's all a rating's game to MSM.  Life Long Dem   Nov-23-08 05:11 AM   #66 
           - I stopped posting after the 2004 election  illuminaughty   Nov-23-08 03:12 AM   #47 
              - Agreed.  last1standing   Nov-23-08 03:22 AM   #50 
                 - I would certainly hope so.  political_Dem   Nov-23-08 03:36 AM   #58 
  - Why do you object to people expressing their views, FrenchieCat?  last1standing   Nov-23-08 02:04 AM   #28 
     - Dissatisfied.....?  FrenchieCat   Nov-23-08 02:22 AM   #34 
        - Are you the judge of superficial, impatient, petty, and shortsightedness?  last1standing   Nov-23-08 02:26 AM   #35 
        - I'm as much of a judge as you are.......  FrenchieCat   Nov-23-08 02:29 AM   #36 
           - I asked a question, you passed judgment.  last1standing   Nov-23-08 02:33 AM   #37 
              - Don't think so.  FrenchieCat   Nov-23-08 02:46 AM   #40 
              - Oh Frenchie, nothing you say could be so low as to surprise me.  last1standing   Nov-23-08 03:03 AM   #44 
                 - Just because you call something a fact doesn't mean it is a fact (or remotely resembles one)  zlt234   Nov-23-08 03:25 AM   #51 
                 - Thanks for your opinion.  last1standing   Nov-23-08 03:34 AM   #56 
                 - Let me break it down so that even you can understand......  FrenchieCat   Nov-23-08 03:29 AM   #52 
                    - So much for suggesting mutual respect.  last1standing   Nov-23-08 03:32 AM   #54 
                       - Excellent!  FrenchieCat   Nov-23-08 03:35 AM   #57 
              - And stop screaming at the cat! I'm pretty sure it doesn't even CARE who Obama appoints.  Ken Burch   Dec-03-08 09:50 PM   #127 
        - At least I have "IF" Obama does this or that in my rants.  Life Long Dem   Nov-23-08 02:58 AM   #43 
        - What about those who didn't vote for Obama?  Milo_Bloom   Dec-04-08 11:06 AM   #134 
  - No to lockstepping,  Undercurrent   Nov-23-08 02:18 AM   #32 
  - Oh, hell to the NO!  meowomon   Nov-23-08 02:20 AM   #33 
  - Straw man. No one is demanding any such thing.  cali   Nov-23-08 02:34 AM   #38 
  - What would you call it then?  political_Dem   Nov-23-08 02:37 AM   #39 
  - Yes to the first question and no to the second.  cali   Nov-23-08 02:57 AM   #42 
     - On the question of irony, it would be ironic for someone to quiet another person  political_Dem   Nov-23-08 03:05 AM   #45 
  - ROFL  Two Americas   Nov-23-08 03:14 AM   #48 
  - yeah, because that's what I said. NOT.  cali   Nov-23-08 03:31 AM   #53 
  - Correct. n/t  H2O Man   Nov-23-08 07:09 AM   #75 
  - Agree. nm  rhett o rick   Nov-23-08 09:10 AM   #87 
  - Never have,  elleng   Nov-23-08 03:38 AM   #59 
  - Yes, we are BORG.  TexasObserver   Nov-23-08 04:19 AM   #62 
  - When does dissent stop from being described as a "conniption fit"?  political_Dem   Nov-23-08 04:34 AM   #63 
     - When it is rational and sane.  TexasObserver   Nov-23-08 05:08 AM   #65 
        - I do? How do you figure that?  political_Dem   Nov-23-08 06:08 AM   #68 
           - Easy. Did you forget to carry the two?  TexasObserver   Nov-23-08 06:33 AM   #71 
  - I voted for Dems to run the government, not to run my brain.  agentS   Nov-23-08 04:53 AM   #64 
  - Hell no  chemp   Nov-23-08 05:41 AM   #67 
  - Nah - we're more like a team of rivals. :)  polichick   Nov-23-08 06:23 AM   #69 
  - "best of" responses in this rhetorical, loaded and insulting OP - no text  happychatter   Nov-24-08 01:31 AM   #113 
     - I'm sorry that you were so offended.  political_Dem   Nov-24-08 06:55 AM   #117 
  - Not lockstep but at least united and working together for the main goal.  DCBob   Nov-23-08 06:29 AM   #70 
  - of course not.  atimetocome   Nov-23-08 06:48 AM   #72 
  - Of course we shouldn't walk in lockstep, but we should be smart enough  Vinca   Nov-23-08 07:07 AM   #74 
  - Until he actually does some governing, I'd wonder how people are  Arkana   Nov-23-08 07:49 AM   #76 
  - Look, I've never said we have to be in lockstep.  Elrond Hubbard   Nov-23-08 08:05 AM   #77 
  - Your view of the Republican party is simplistic and not current, and my answer is No  slackmaster   Nov-23-08 08:42 AM   #80 
  - The work of John Dean and Bob Altemeyer is not current enough?  political_Dem   Nov-23-08 10:21 AM   #94 
  - We should be, as Democrats..  stillcool47   Nov-23-08 08:46 AM   #81 
  - No one ever said that  treestar   Nov-23-08 08:48 AM   #82 
  - No, but comparing Clinton to Stalin and Pol Pot and identifying as "Independent" due to the SoS pick  PeaceNikki   Nov-23-08 08:51 AM   #83 
  - Not just NO but HELL NO!!!  Froward69   Nov-23-08 08:59 AM   #84 
  - Cute.  jefferson_dem   Nov-23-08 09:00 AM   #85 
  - Did you actually expect anyone to honestly answer Yes? First we had to get Bush out.  rhett o rick   Nov-23-08 09:08 AM   #86 
  - Oh, yes. Most definitely.  gristy   Nov-23-08 09:11 AM   #88 
  - No! We shouldn't be like the Republicans. We should be Democrats that respects all points of view  Liberal_Stalwart71   Nov-23-08 09:17 AM   #90 
  - Thank you, Liberal_Stalwart71. You mentioned one of the points that needed to be said.  political_Dem   Nov-23-08 10:19 AM   #93 
  - I too despise the DLC and for some reason people forget what happened in the 90's  Raineyb   Nov-23-08 10:56 AM   #96 
  - Exactly, Raineyb. You've said it better than I could. :)  political_Dem   Nov-23-08 06:21 PM   #102 
  - For some of them, it's still about 1972.  Ken Burch   Dec-03-08 05:03 PM   #121 
  - It would be nice at least until we actually see Obama making bad policies  high density   Nov-23-08 09:49 AM   #91 
  - Ideally yes, but the cost of achieving it would be too great.  Donald Ian Rankin   Nov-23-08 10:13 AM   #92 
  - Both. Yes and no.  Gregorian   Nov-23-08 10:25 AM   #95 
  - No  Uzybone   Nov-23-08 12:32 PM   #98 
  - Aren't we on many issues? Choice, Environmentalism, etc.  LanternWaste   Nov-23-08 12:44 PM   #99 
  - No, but we should give our nominee at least one day in office  mzmolly   Nov-23-08 01:45 PM   #100 
  - Yeah, in the congress we can contest congress but Obama is not really in any office at >  cooolandrew   Nov-23-08 03:32 PM   #101 
  - pD, how the hell could we ever agree on anything?  old mark   Nov-23-08 06:32 PM   #103 
  - old mark, I agree. It is part of the whole deal.  political_Dem   Nov-23-08 07:07 PM   #105 
  - How boring would all this shit be if we aggreed on everything?  old mark   Nov-24-08 06:06 AM   #116 
     - Even the answers in this thread proves that our party is not boring in the least.  political_Dem   Nov-24-08 06:58 AM   #118 
  - In the immortal words of the racistly-named Tonto...  BlooInBloo   Nov-23-08 07:11 PM   #107 
  - No  bigwillq   Nov-23-08 06:34 PM   #104 
  - Totally. In fact, we should change our names to "nazi", just so DU whiny ass titty babies...  BlooInBloo   Nov-23-08 07:09 PM   #106 
  - No dissent or ignoring it is what caused our present situtatio....  fadedrose   Nov-23-08 07:18 PM   #108 
  - no, yes, No, Yes, NOOOO!  TexasObserver   Nov-23-08 07:21 PM   #109 
  - Only between the time we choose a nominee...  Iggo   Nov-24-08 01:12 AM   #111 
  - Less than a month after electoral victory? TWO months before actual Inauguration?  smalll   Nov-24-08 01:25 AM   #112 
  - Nope  Breeze54   Nov-24-08 01:51 AM   #114 
  - I can't get behind Pres Obama on his choice of Larry Summers  ElsewheresDaughter   Nov-24-08 07:30 AM   #119 
  - Depends  quakerboy   Dec-03-08 05:20 PM   #122 
  - No, and all of you had best agree.  Forkboy   Dec-03-08 06:33 PM   #123 
  - This is the internet-forum version of "when did you stop beating your wife", no?  camera__obscura   Dec-03-08 06:33 PM   #124 
  - Dems NEVER march in lockstep...........  trayfoot   Dec-03-08 06:44 PM   #125 
  - Should we, as Democrats, constantly be posting straw man arguments? Yes or No?  zlt234   Dec-03-08 06:45 PM   #126 
  - I think the question is posed to say "You know we need to put aside  harun   Dec-04-08 11:15 AM   #135 
  - never, but we do need to prune some trolls on this board.  mkultra   Dec-03-08 10:38 PM   #128 
  - I'm not a troll.  political_Dem   Dec-04-08 03:36 AM   #131 
     - the idea that people shouldnt express thier distaste for your dissent  mkultra   Dec-04-08 11:02 AM   #132 
        - Thank you.  political_Dem   Dec-04-08 11:16 AM   #136 
           - your welcome. so cut it the fuck out.  mkultra   Dec-04-08 11:50 AM   #137 
              - No. I'll do as I please on this board according to the rules. I don't need your fingerwagging.  political_Dem   Dec-04-08 11:59 AM   #138 
                 - good point, i guess everyone else will to. No silencing for anyone  mkultra   Dec-04-08 12:03 PM   #140 
  - Should we, as Democrats, complain about absolutely everything on principle?  Occam Bandage   Dec-03-08 10:43 PM   #129 
  - factionalism is the essence of democracy  amborin   Dec-04-08 02:19 AM   #130 
  - Of course not.  Milo_Bloom   Dec-04-08 11:04 AM   #133 
  - For the next four years, yes.  olkaz   Dec-04-08 12:00 PM   #139 
  - No, but dissent isn't the same thing as sky-is-falling panic  EstimatedProphet   Dec-04-08 12:06 PM   #141 
  - no, we shouldn't. But, it is what it is, around here.  Laura PackYourBags   Dec-04-08 12:06 PM   #142 
  - The fact that you give us a choice reveals your bias n/t  Tom Rinaldo   Dec-04-08 01:48 PM   #143 
  - Maybe (because I refuse to let you lock me into your "yes or no" ideology). n/t  ieoeja   Dec-04-08 01:56 PM   #144 

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