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FrenchieCat Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Nov-23-08 01:59 AM
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25. push.fucking.poll
Got milk in my refrigerator purchased on November 4th and it still hasn't expired.

While there are those who have already soured on what Obama has done to date, in his
17 days of non power.
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  -Should we, as Democrats, be in lockstep? Yes or No? political_Dem  Nov-23-08 01:19 AM   #0 
  - No, we shouldnt, but its suspect when some people bitch about literally everything.  hnmnf   Nov-23-08 01:20 AM   #1 
  - How so?  political_Dem   Nov-23-08 01:21 AM   #2 
     - Certain people on DU have complained about every pick Obama has made  hnmnf   Nov-23-08 01:24 AM   #5 
        - Do you expect them to just be quiet about their dissent?  political_Dem   Nov-23-08 01:27 AM   #7 
        - No, but these people have judged Obama's presidency before he spent a day in office  hnmnf   Nov-23-08 01:28 AM   #10 
           - I agree with you about some of the folks who are the hand-wringers.  political_Dem   Nov-23-08 01:31 AM   #13 
              - it's a fine line. Some people do sow doubt and fear when it's not helpful.  Voice for Peace   Nov-23-08 08:33 AM   #79 
        - the only choices aren't Kucinich or the DLC sellouts--and what the hell is wrong with Kucinich?  yurbud   Nov-23-08 01:29 AM   #11 
        - There you go. Who said Obama appointment of Hillary was made?  Life Long Dem   Nov-23-08 01:48 AM   #23 
        - I don't think anyone has  Two Americas   Nov-23-08 03:10 AM   #46 
        - I haven't complained at all about Obama's picks, but I'm going to complain about YOUR  1monster   Nov-23-08 09:16 AM   #89 
        - Indeed. Dennis deserves no one's contempt.  Ken Burch   Dec-03-08 04:58 PM   #120 
        - so. let them bitch. shutting up discussion is bullshit. nothing anyone  roguevalley   Nov-23-08 12:31 PM   #97 
  - Nope, but we must be able to discern "Concern!" from concern  prodn2000   Nov-23-08 01:22 AM   #3 
  - How would you do that?  political_Dem   Nov-23-08 01:24 AM   #4 
     - Prima facie is a useful tool  prodn2000   Nov-23-08 01:30 AM   #12 
        - Using the old adage of "hindsight being 20/20 " could be even better.  political_Dem   Nov-23-08 01:35 AM   #14 
           - I am really happy with my political party  prodn2000   Nov-23-08 01:37 AM   #16 
              - So am I. I am even estatic that the man I voted for is business-like, efficient and very organized.  political_Dem   Nov-23-08 01:42 AM   #20 
                 - In complete agreement. Lockstep=worship  prodn2000   Nov-23-08 01:43 AM   #21 
  - No, I figured it all out today:  napoleon_in_rags   Nov-23-08 01:24 AM   #6 
  - Where does dissent fit into that realm of thought?  political_Dem   Nov-23-08 01:28 AM   #9 
     - It fits in as an important part of the process.  napoleon_in_rags   Nov-23-08 11:50 PM   #110 
  - No. Never.  emilyg   Nov-23-08 01:28 AM   #8 
  - Absolutely  CreekDog   Nov-23-08 01:37 AM   #15 
  - Don't you mean Gloria Estephan? Estephen? Eserphone?  prodn2000   Nov-23-08 01:38 AM   #17 
  - LOL.  political_Dem   Nov-23-08 01:38 AM   #18 
  - Doesn't matter if we should. We're not.  Jim Sagle   Nov-23-08 01:41 AM   #19 
  - Then why are there instances of trying to get people to be silent about their dissent?  political_Dem   Nov-23-08 01:44 AM   #22 
     - But we aren't really a party of leftist. There is a broad spectrum  sufrommich   Nov-23-08 07:04 AM   #73 
     - No one is trying to get others to be quite. They are just disagreeing.  tekisui   Nov-23-08 08:23 AM   #78 
     - "why is there a push toward centrist and center-right paradigms? "  Jim Sagle   Nov-24-08 02:36 AM   #115 
  - No, but some level of cohesion and a unified front would be cool  TheKentuckian   Nov-23-08 01:51 AM   #24 
  - There are going to be some people who are rather nervous about all these changes.  political_Dem   Nov-23-08 02:01 AM   #26 
  - push.fucking.poll  FrenchieCat   Nov-23-08 01:59 AM   #25 
  - This is more of a rhetorical question.  political_Dem   Nov-23-08 02:03 AM   #27 
  - And you got your answer.  last1standing   Nov-23-08 02:04 AM   #29 
     - It is pretty sad.  political_Dem   Nov-23-08 02:05 AM   #30 
        - My glimmer of hope seems to dwindle every time I visit this site lately.  last1standing   Nov-23-08 02:15 AM   #31 
           - My take on this.  political_Dem   Nov-23-08 02:48 AM   #41 
           - Very well put.  last1standing   Nov-23-08 03:20 AM   #49 
           - Thanks and no problem.  political_Dem   Nov-23-08 03:34 AM   #55 
           - I think we all should be in lock-step when it comes to MSM.  Life Long Dem   Nov-23-08 03:42 AM   #60 
              - I agree. Because the messages concerning progressive/liberal values have to be re-introduced.  political_Dem   Nov-23-08 03:51 AM   #61 
                 - It's all a rating's game to MSM.  Life Long Dem   Nov-23-08 05:11 AM   #66 
           - I stopped posting after the 2004 election  illuminaughty   Nov-23-08 03:12 AM   #47 
              - Agreed.  last1standing   Nov-23-08 03:22 AM   #50 
                 - I would certainly hope so.  political_Dem   Nov-23-08 03:36 AM   #58 
  - Why do you object to people expressing their views, FrenchieCat?  last1standing   Nov-23-08 02:04 AM   #28 
     - Dissatisfied.....?  FrenchieCat   Nov-23-08 02:22 AM   #34 
        - Are you the judge of superficial, impatient, petty, and shortsightedness?  last1standing   Nov-23-08 02:26 AM   #35 
        - I'm as much of a judge as you are.......  FrenchieCat   Nov-23-08 02:29 AM   #36 
           - I asked a question, you passed judgment.  last1standing   Nov-23-08 02:33 AM   #37 
              - Don't think so.  FrenchieCat   Nov-23-08 02:46 AM   #40 
              - Oh Frenchie, nothing you say could be so low as to surprise me.  last1standing   Nov-23-08 03:03 AM   #44 
                 - Just because you call something a fact doesn't mean it is a fact (or remotely resembles one)  zlt234   Nov-23-08 03:25 AM   #51 
                 - Thanks for your opinion.  last1standing   Nov-23-08 03:34 AM   #56 
                 - Let me break it down so that even you can understand......  FrenchieCat   Nov-23-08 03:29 AM   #52 
                    - So much for suggesting mutual respect.  last1standing   Nov-23-08 03:32 AM   #54 
                       - Excellent!  FrenchieCat   Nov-23-08 03:35 AM   #57 
              - And stop screaming at the cat! I'm pretty sure it doesn't even CARE who Obama appoints.  Ken Burch   Dec-03-08 09:50 PM   #127 
        - At least I have "IF" Obama does this or that in my rants.  Life Long Dem   Nov-23-08 02:58 AM   #43 
        - What about those who didn't vote for Obama?  Milo_Bloom   Dec-04-08 11:06 AM   #134 
  - No to lockstepping,  Undercurrent   Nov-23-08 02:18 AM   #32 
  - Oh, hell to the NO!  meowomon   Nov-23-08 02:20 AM   #33 
  - Straw man. No one is demanding any such thing.  cali   Nov-23-08 02:34 AM   #38 
  - What would you call it then?  political_Dem   Nov-23-08 02:37 AM   #39 
  - Yes to the first question and no to the second.  cali   Nov-23-08 02:57 AM   #42 
     - On the question of irony, it would be ironic for someone to quiet another person  political_Dem   Nov-23-08 03:05 AM   #45 
  - ROFL  Two Americas   Nov-23-08 03:14 AM   #48 
  - yeah, because that's what I said. NOT.  cali   Nov-23-08 03:31 AM   #53 
  - Correct. n/t  H2O Man   Nov-23-08 07:09 AM   #75 
  - Agree. nm  rhett o rick   Nov-23-08 09:10 AM   #87 
  - Never have,  elleng   Nov-23-08 03:38 AM   #59 
  - Yes, we are BORG.  TexasObserver   Nov-23-08 04:19 AM   #62 
  - When does dissent stop from being described as a "conniption fit"?  political_Dem   Nov-23-08 04:34 AM   #63 
     - When it is rational and sane.  TexasObserver   Nov-23-08 05:08 AM   #65 
        - I do? How do you figure that?  political_Dem   Nov-23-08 06:08 AM   #68 
           - Easy. Did you forget to carry the two?  TexasObserver   Nov-23-08 06:33 AM   #71 
  - I voted for Dems to run the government, not to run my brain.  agentS   Nov-23-08 04:53 AM   #64 
  - Hell no  chemp   Nov-23-08 05:41 AM   #67 
  - Nah - we're more like a team of rivals. :)  polichick   Nov-23-08 06:23 AM   #69 
  - "best of" responses in this rhetorical, loaded and insulting OP - no text  happychatter   Nov-24-08 01:31 AM   #113 
     - I'm sorry that you were so offended.  political_Dem   Nov-24-08 06:55 AM   #117 
  - Not lockstep but at least united and working together for the main goal.  DCBob   Nov-23-08 06:29 AM   #70 
  - of course not.  atimetocome   Nov-23-08 06:48 AM   #72 
  - Of course we shouldn't walk in lockstep, but we should be smart enough  Vinca   Nov-23-08 07:07 AM   #74 
  - Until he actually does some governing, I'd wonder how people are  Arkana   Nov-23-08 07:49 AM   #76 
  - Look, I've never said we have to be in lockstep.  Elrond Hubbard   Nov-23-08 08:05 AM   #77 
  - Your view of the Republican party is simplistic and not current, and my answer is No  slackmaster   Nov-23-08 08:42 AM   #80 
  - The work of John Dean and Bob Altemeyer is not current enough?  political_Dem   Nov-23-08 10:21 AM   #94 
  - We should be, as Democrats..  stillcool47   Nov-23-08 08:46 AM   #81 
  - No one ever said that  treestar   Nov-23-08 08:48 AM   #82 
  - No, but comparing Clinton to Stalin and Pol Pot and identifying as "Independent" due to the SoS pick  PeaceNikki   Nov-23-08 08:51 AM   #83 
  - Not just NO but HELL NO!!!  Froward69   Nov-23-08 08:59 AM   #84 
  - Cute.  jefferson_dem   Nov-23-08 09:00 AM   #85 
  - Did you actually expect anyone to honestly answer Yes? First we had to get Bush out.  rhett o rick   Nov-23-08 09:08 AM   #86 
  - Oh, yes. Most definitely.  gristy   Nov-23-08 09:11 AM   #88 
  - No! We shouldn't be like the Republicans. We should be Democrats that respects all points of view  Liberal_Stalwart71   Nov-23-08 09:17 AM   #90 
  - Thank you, Liberal_Stalwart71. You mentioned one of the points that needed to be said.  political_Dem   Nov-23-08 10:19 AM   #93 
  - I too despise the DLC and for some reason people forget what happened in the 90's  Raineyb   Nov-23-08 10:56 AM   #96 
  - Exactly, Raineyb. You've said it better than I could. :)  political_Dem   Nov-23-08 06:21 PM   #102 
  - For some of them, it's still about 1972.  Ken Burch   Dec-03-08 05:03 PM   #121 
  - It would be nice at least until we actually see Obama making bad policies  high density   Nov-23-08 09:49 AM   #91 
  - Ideally yes, but the cost of achieving it would be too great.  Donald Ian Rankin   Nov-23-08 10:13 AM   #92 
  - Both. Yes and no.  Gregorian   Nov-23-08 10:25 AM   #95 
  - No  Uzybone   Nov-23-08 12:32 PM   #98 
  - Aren't we on many issues? Choice, Environmentalism, etc.  LanternWaste   Nov-23-08 12:44 PM   #99 
  - No, but we should give our nominee at least one day in office  mzmolly   Nov-23-08 01:45 PM   #100 
  - Yeah, in the congress we can contest congress but Obama is not really in any office at >  cooolandrew   Nov-23-08 03:32 PM   #101 
  - pD, how the hell could we ever agree on anything?  old mark   Nov-23-08 06:32 PM   #103 
  - old mark, I agree. It is part of the whole deal.  political_Dem   Nov-23-08 07:07 PM   #105 
  - How boring would all this shit be if we aggreed on everything?  old mark   Nov-24-08 06:06 AM   #116 
     - Even the answers in this thread proves that our party is not boring in the least.  political_Dem   Nov-24-08 06:58 AM   #118 
  - In the immortal words of the racistly-named Tonto...  BlooInBloo   Nov-23-08 07:11 PM   #107 
  - No  bigwillq   Nov-23-08 06:34 PM   #104 
  - Totally. In fact, we should change our names to "nazi", just so DU whiny ass titty babies...  BlooInBloo   Nov-23-08 07:09 PM   #106 
  - No dissent or ignoring it is what caused our present situtatio....  fadedrose   Nov-23-08 07:18 PM   #108 
  - no, yes, No, Yes, NOOOO!  TexasObserver   Nov-23-08 07:21 PM   #109 
  - Only between the time we choose a nominee...  Iggo   Nov-24-08 01:12 AM   #111 
  - Less than a month after electoral victory? TWO months before actual Inauguration?  smalll   Nov-24-08 01:25 AM   #112 
  - Nope  Breeze54   Nov-24-08 01:51 AM   #114 
  - I can't get behind Pres Obama on his choice of Larry Summers  ElsewheresDaughter   Nov-24-08 07:30 AM   #119 
  - Depends  quakerboy   Dec-03-08 05:20 PM   #122 
  - No, and all of you had best agree.  Forkboy   Dec-03-08 06:33 PM   #123 
  - This is the internet-forum version of "when did you stop beating your wife", no?  camera__obscura   Dec-03-08 06:33 PM   #124 
  - Dems NEVER march in lockstep...........  trayfoot   Dec-03-08 06:44 PM   #125 
  - Should we, as Democrats, constantly be posting straw man arguments? Yes or No?  zlt234   Dec-03-08 06:45 PM   #126 
  - I think the question is posed to say "You know we need to put aside  harun   Dec-04-08 11:15 AM   #135 
  - never, but we do need to prune some trolls on this board.  mkultra   Dec-03-08 10:38 PM   #128 
  - I'm not a troll.  political_Dem   Dec-04-08 03:36 AM   #131 
     - the idea that people shouldnt express thier distaste for your dissent  mkultra   Dec-04-08 11:02 AM   #132 
        - Thank you.  political_Dem   Dec-04-08 11:16 AM   #136 
           - your welcome. so cut it the fuck out.  mkultra   Dec-04-08 11:50 AM   #137 
              - No. I'll do as I please on this board according to the rules. I don't need your fingerwagging.  political_Dem   Dec-04-08 11:59 AM   #138 
                 - good point, i guess everyone else will to. No silencing for anyone  mkultra   Dec-04-08 12:03 PM   #140 
  - Should we, as Democrats, complain about absolutely everything on principle?  Occam Bandage   Dec-03-08 10:43 PM   #129 
  - factionalism is the essence of democracy  amborin   Dec-04-08 02:19 AM   #130 
  - Of course not.  Milo_Bloom   Dec-04-08 11:04 AM   #133 
  - For the next four years, yes.  olkaz   Dec-04-08 12:00 PM   #139 
  - No, but dissent isn't the same thing as sky-is-falling panic  EstimatedProphet   Dec-04-08 12:06 PM   #141 
  - no, we shouldn't. But, it is what it is, around here.  Laura PackYourBags   Dec-04-08 12:06 PM   #142 
  - The fact that you give us a choice reveals your bias n/t  Tom Rinaldo   Dec-04-08 01:48 PM   #143 
  - Maybe (because I refuse to let you lock me into your "yes or no" ideology). n/t  ieoeja   Dec-04-08 01:56 PM   #144 

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