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Sun Nov-23-08 01:37 AM
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I find the disagreement on the Gloria Estefan thing unacceptable!  |
| -Should we, as Democrats, be in lockstep? Yes or No? |
political_Dem |
Nov-23-08 01:19 AM |
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No, we shouldnt, but its suspect when some people bitch about literally everything. |
hnmnf |
Nov-23-08 01:20 AM |
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How so? |
political_Dem |
Nov-23-08 01:21 AM |
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Certain people on DU have complained about every pick Obama has made |
hnmnf |
Nov-23-08 01:24 AM |
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Do you expect them to just be quiet about their dissent? |
political_Dem |
Nov-23-08 01:27 AM |
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No, but these people have judged Obama's presidency before he spent a day in office |
hnmnf |
Nov-23-08 01:28 AM |
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I agree with you about some of the folks who are the hand-wringers. |
political_Dem |
Nov-23-08 01:31 AM |
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it's a fine line. Some people do sow doubt and fear when it's not helpful. |
Voice for Peace |
Nov-23-08 08:33 AM |
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the only choices aren't Kucinich or the DLC sellouts--and what the hell is wrong with Kucinich? |
yurbud |
Nov-23-08 01:29 AM |
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There you go. Who said Obama appointment of Hillary was made? |
Life Long Dem |
Nov-23-08 01:48 AM |
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I don't think anyone has |
Two Americas |
Nov-23-08 03:10 AM |
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I haven't complained at all about Obama's picks, but I'm going to complain about YOUR |
1monster |
Nov-23-08 09:16 AM |
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Indeed. Dennis deserves no one's contempt. |
Ken Burch |
Dec-03-08 04:58 PM |
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so. let them bitch. shutting up discussion is bullshit. nothing anyone |
roguevalley |
Nov-23-08 12:31 PM |
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Nope, but we must be able to discern "Concern!" from concern |
prodn2000 |
Nov-23-08 01:22 AM |
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How would you do that? |
political_Dem |
Nov-23-08 01:24 AM |
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Prima facie is a useful tool |
prodn2000 |
Nov-23-08 01:30 AM |
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Using the old adage of "hindsight being 20/20 " could be even better. |
political_Dem |
Nov-23-08 01:35 AM |
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I am really happy with my political party |
prodn2000 |
Nov-23-08 01:37 AM |
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So am I. I am even estatic that the man I voted for is business-like, efficient and very organized. |
political_Dem |
Nov-23-08 01:42 AM |
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In complete agreement. Lockstep=worship |
prodn2000 |
Nov-23-08 01:43 AM |
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No, I figured it all out today: |
napoleon_in_rags |
Nov-23-08 01:24 AM |
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Where does dissent fit into that realm of thought? |
political_Dem |
Nov-23-08 01:28 AM |
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It fits in as an important part of the process. |
napoleon_in_rags |
Nov-23-08 11:50 PM |
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No. Never. |
emilyg |
Nov-23-08 01:28 AM |
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Absolutely |
CreekDog |
Nov-23-08 01:37 AM |
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Don't you mean Gloria Estephan? Estephen? Eserphone? |
prodn2000 |
Nov-23-08 01:38 AM |
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LOL. |
political_Dem |
Nov-23-08 01:38 AM |
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Doesn't matter if we should. We're not. |
Jim Sagle |
Nov-23-08 01:41 AM |
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Then why are there instances of trying to get people to be silent about their dissent? |
political_Dem |
Nov-23-08 01:44 AM |
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But we aren't really a party of leftist. There is a broad spectrum |
sufrommich |
Nov-23-08 07:04 AM |
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No one is trying to get others to be quite. They are just disagreeing. |
tekisui |
Nov-23-08 08:23 AM |
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"why is there a push toward centrist and center-right paradigms? " |
Jim Sagle |
Nov-24-08 02:36 AM |
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No, but some level of cohesion and a unified front would be cool |
TheKentuckian |
Nov-23-08 01:51 AM |
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There are going to be some people who are rather nervous about all these changes. |
political_Dem |
Nov-23-08 02:01 AM |
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push.fucking.poll |
FrenchieCat |
Nov-23-08 01:59 AM |
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This is more of a rhetorical question. |
political_Dem |
Nov-23-08 02:03 AM |
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And you got your answer. |
last1standing |
Nov-23-08 02:04 AM |
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It is pretty sad. |
political_Dem |
Nov-23-08 02:05 AM |
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My glimmer of hope seems to dwindle every time I visit this site lately. |
last1standing |
Nov-23-08 02:15 AM |
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My take on this. |
political_Dem |
Nov-23-08 02:48 AM |
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Very well put. |
last1standing |
Nov-23-08 03:20 AM |
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Thanks and no problem. |
political_Dem |
Nov-23-08 03:34 AM |
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I think we all should be in lock-step when it comes to MSM. |
Life Long Dem |
Nov-23-08 03:42 AM |
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I agree. Because the messages concerning progressive/liberal values have to be re-introduced. |
political_Dem |
Nov-23-08 03:51 AM |
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It's all a rating's game to MSM. |
Life Long Dem |
Nov-23-08 05:11 AM |
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I stopped posting after the 2004 election |
illuminaughty |
Nov-23-08 03:12 AM |
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Agreed. |
last1standing |
Nov-23-08 03:22 AM |
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I would certainly hope so. |
political_Dem |
Nov-23-08 03:36 AM |
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Why do you object to people expressing their views, FrenchieCat? |
last1standing |
Nov-23-08 02:04 AM |
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Dissatisfied.....? |
FrenchieCat |
Nov-23-08 02:22 AM |
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Are you the judge of superficial, impatient, petty, and shortsightedness? |
last1standing |
Nov-23-08 02:26 AM |
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I'm as much of a judge as you are....... |
FrenchieCat |
Nov-23-08 02:29 AM |
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I asked a question, you passed judgment. |
last1standing |
Nov-23-08 02:33 AM |
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Don't think so. |
FrenchieCat |
Nov-23-08 02:46 AM |
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Oh Frenchie, nothing you say could be so low as to surprise me. |
last1standing |
Nov-23-08 03:03 AM |
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Just because you call something a fact doesn't mean it is a fact (or remotely resembles one) |
zlt234 |
Nov-23-08 03:25 AM |
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Thanks for your opinion. |
last1standing |
Nov-23-08 03:34 AM |
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Let me break it down so that even you can understand...... |
FrenchieCat |
Nov-23-08 03:29 AM |
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So much for suggesting mutual respect. |
last1standing |
Nov-23-08 03:32 AM |
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Excellent! |
FrenchieCat |
Nov-23-08 03:35 AM |
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And stop screaming at the cat! I'm pretty sure it doesn't even CARE who Obama appoints. |
Ken Burch |
Dec-03-08 09:50 PM |
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At least I have "IF" Obama does this or that in my rants. |
Life Long Dem |
Nov-23-08 02:58 AM |
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What about those who didn't vote for Obama? |
Milo_Bloom |
Dec-04-08 11:06 AM |
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No to lockstepping, |
Undercurrent |
Nov-23-08 02:18 AM |
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Oh, hell to the NO! |
meowomon |
Nov-23-08 02:20 AM |
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Straw man. No one is demanding any such thing. |
cali |
Nov-23-08 02:34 AM |
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What would you call it then? |
political_Dem |
Nov-23-08 02:37 AM |
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Yes to the first question and no to the second. |
cali |
Nov-23-08 02:57 AM |
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On the question of irony, it would be ironic for someone to quiet another person |
political_Dem |
Nov-23-08 03:05 AM |
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ROFL |
Two Americas |
Nov-23-08 03:14 AM |
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yeah, because that's what I said. NOT. |
cali |
Nov-23-08 03:31 AM |
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Correct. n/t |
H2O Man |
Nov-23-08 07:09 AM |
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Agree. nm |
rhett o rick |
Nov-23-08 09:10 AM |
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Never have, |
elleng |
Nov-23-08 03:38 AM |
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Yes, we are BORG. |
TexasObserver |
Nov-23-08 04:19 AM |
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When does dissent stop from being described as a "conniption fit"? |
political_Dem |
Nov-23-08 04:34 AM |
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When it is rational and sane. |
TexasObserver |
Nov-23-08 05:08 AM |
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I do? How do you figure that? |
political_Dem |
Nov-23-08 06:08 AM |
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Easy. Did you forget to carry the two? |
TexasObserver |
Nov-23-08 06:33 AM |
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I voted for Dems to run the government, not to run my brain. |
agentS |
Nov-23-08 04:53 AM |
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Hell no |
chemp |
Nov-23-08 05:41 AM |
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Nah - we're more like a team of rivals. :) |
polichick |
Nov-23-08 06:23 AM |
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"best of" responses in this rhetorical, loaded and insulting OP - no text |
happychatter |
Nov-24-08 01:31 AM |
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I'm sorry that you were so offended. |
political_Dem |
Nov-24-08 06:55 AM |
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Not lockstep but at least united and working together for the main goal. |
DCBob |
Nov-23-08 06:29 AM |
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of course not. |
atimetocome |
Nov-23-08 06:48 AM |
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Of course we shouldn't walk in lockstep, but we should be smart enough |
Vinca |
Nov-23-08 07:07 AM |
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Until he actually does some governing, I'd wonder how people are |
Arkana |
Nov-23-08 07:49 AM |
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Look, I've never said we have to be in lockstep. |
Elrond Hubbard |
Nov-23-08 08:05 AM |
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Your view of the Republican party is simplistic and not current, and my answer is No |
slackmaster |
Nov-23-08 08:42 AM |
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The work of John Dean and Bob Altemeyer is not current enough? |
political_Dem |
Nov-23-08 10:21 AM |
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We should be, as Democrats.. |
stillcool47 |
Nov-23-08 08:46 AM |
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No one ever said that |
treestar |
Nov-23-08 08:48 AM |
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No, but comparing Clinton to Stalin and Pol Pot and identifying as "Independent" due to the SoS pick |
PeaceNikki |
Nov-23-08 08:51 AM |
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Not just NO but HELL NO!!! |
Froward69 |
Nov-23-08 08:59 AM |
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Cute. |
jefferson_dem |
Nov-23-08 09:00 AM |
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Did you actually expect anyone to honestly answer Yes? First we had to get Bush out. |
rhett o rick |
Nov-23-08 09:08 AM |
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Oh, yes. Most definitely. |
gristy |
Nov-23-08 09:11 AM |
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No! We shouldn't be like the Republicans. We should be Democrats that respects all points of view |
Liberal_Stalwart71 |
Nov-23-08 09:17 AM |
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Thank you, Liberal_Stalwart71. You mentioned one of the points that needed to be said. |
political_Dem |
Nov-23-08 10:19 AM |
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I too despise the DLC and for some reason people forget what happened in the 90's |
Raineyb |
Nov-23-08 10:56 AM |
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Exactly, Raineyb. You've said it better than I could. :) |
political_Dem |
Nov-23-08 06:21 PM |
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For some of them, it's still about 1972. |
Ken Burch |
Dec-03-08 05:03 PM |
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It would be nice at least until we actually see Obama making bad policies |
high density |
Nov-23-08 09:49 AM |
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Ideally yes, but the cost of achieving it would be too great. |
Donald Ian Rankin |
Nov-23-08 10:13 AM |
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Both. Yes and no. |
Gregorian |
Nov-23-08 10:25 AM |
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No |
Uzybone |
Nov-23-08 12:32 PM |
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Aren't we on many issues? Choice, Environmentalism, etc. |
LanternWaste |
Nov-23-08 12:44 PM |
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No, but we should give our nominee at least one day in office |
mzmolly |
Nov-23-08 01:45 PM |
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Yeah, in the congress we can contest congress but Obama is not really in any office at > |
cooolandrew |
Nov-23-08 03:32 PM |
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pD, how the hell could we ever agree on anything? |
old mark |
Nov-23-08 06:32 PM |
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old mark, I agree. It is part of the whole deal. |
political_Dem |
Nov-23-08 07:07 PM |
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How boring would all this shit be if we aggreed on everything? |
old mark |
Nov-24-08 06:06 AM |
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Even the answers in this thread proves that our party is not boring in the least. |
political_Dem |
Nov-24-08 06:58 AM |
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In the immortal words of the racistly-named Tonto... |
BlooInBloo |
Nov-23-08 07:11 PM |
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No |
bigwillq |
Nov-23-08 06:34 PM |
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Totally. In fact, we should change our names to "nazi", just so DU whiny ass titty babies... |
BlooInBloo |
Nov-23-08 07:09 PM |
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No dissent or ignoring it is what caused our present situtatio.... |
fadedrose |
Nov-23-08 07:18 PM |
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no, yes, No, Yes, NOOOO! |
TexasObserver |
Nov-23-08 07:21 PM |
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Only between the time we choose a nominee... |
Iggo |
Nov-24-08 01:12 AM |
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Less than a month after electoral victory? TWO months before actual Inauguration? |
smalll |
Nov-24-08 01:25 AM |
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Nope |
Breeze54 |
Nov-24-08 01:51 AM |
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I can't get behind Pres Obama on his choice of Larry Summers |
ElsewheresDaughter |
Nov-24-08 07:30 AM |
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Depends |
quakerboy |
Dec-03-08 05:20 PM |
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No, and all of you had best agree. |
Forkboy |
Dec-03-08 06:33 PM |
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This is the internet-forum version of "when did you stop beating your wife", no? |
camera__obscura |
Dec-03-08 06:33 PM |
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Dems NEVER march in lockstep........... |
trayfoot |
Dec-03-08 06:44 PM |
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Should we, as Democrats, constantly be posting straw man arguments? Yes or No? |
zlt234 |
Dec-03-08 06:45 PM |
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I think the question is posed to say "You know we need to put aside |
harun |
Dec-04-08 11:15 AM |
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never, but we do need to prune some trolls on this board. |
mkultra |
Dec-03-08 10:38 PM |
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I'm not a troll. |
political_Dem |
Dec-04-08 03:36 AM |
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the idea that people shouldnt express thier distaste for your dissent |
mkultra |
Dec-04-08 11:02 AM |
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Thank you. |
political_Dem |
Dec-04-08 11:16 AM |
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your welcome. so cut it the fuck out. |
mkultra |
Dec-04-08 11:50 AM |
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No. I'll do as I please on this board according to the rules. I don't need your fingerwagging. |
political_Dem |
Dec-04-08 11:59 AM |
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good point, i guess everyone else will to. No silencing for anyone |
mkultra |
Dec-04-08 12:03 PM |
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Should we, as Democrats, complain about absolutely everything on principle? |
Occam Bandage |
Dec-03-08 10:43 PM |
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factionalism is the essence of democracy |
amborin |
Dec-04-08 02:19 AM |
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Of course not. |
Milo_Bloom |
Dec-04-08 11:04 AM |
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For the next four years, yes. |
olkaz |
Dec-04-08 12:00 PM |
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No, but dissent isn't the same thing as sky-is-falling panic |
EstimatedProphet |
Dec-04-08 12:06 PM |
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no, we shouldn't. But, it is what it is, around here. |
Laura PackYourBags |
Dec-04-08 12:06 PM |
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The fact that you give us a choice reveals your bias n/t |
Tom Rinaldo |
Dec-04-08 01:48 PM |
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Maybe (because I refuse to let you lock me into your "yes or no" ideology). n/t |
ieoeja |
Dec-04-08 01:56 PM |
#144 |
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